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These guys continue to impress me. Been using their free email for awhile now and it works well. Very nice addition to their service. Good to know that not everyone has to know your plans (Google).
Tutanota free encrypted Calendar
https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/free-en ... -calendar/

I thought it funny that on the Tutanota site they make big noise about fighting for privacy & not being spied upon, but there were two sets of the standard Facebook Twitter & co tracking icons on their main page...?

handy wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:14 am I thought it funny that on the Tutanota site they make big noise about fighting for privacy & not being spied upon, but there were two sets of the standard Facebook Twitter & co tracking icons on their main page...?

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handy wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:14 am I thought it funny that on the Tutanota site they make big noise about fighting for privacy & not being spied upon, but there were two sets of the standard Facebook Twitter & co tracking icons on their main page...?

Nothing of any of that stuff gets anywhere into your mail log-in environment or the inside stuff there. All are fully kept outside of the loop.Just make a few cents from those who maybe hang around, on the full outside.

Full dcom code inspection of the full login environment shows no outside intrusion at all. Tutao is a tiny start-up from Hanover Germany with about 3m users. Full and total encryption used. Privacy guaranteed within. No spying upon.

Yes, they'd like you to either subscribe or else donate some money, such as pushing premium plans ...but who does not want to generate some added revenue. You can still do it for free though and 100% free as well.

Davo wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:40 pm Nothing of any of that stuff gets anywhere into your mail log-in environment or the inside stuff there. All are fully kept outside of the loop.Just make a few cents from those who maybe hang around, on the full outside.

Full dcom code inspection of the full login environment shows no outside intrusion at all. Tutao is a tiny start-up from Hanover Germany with about 3m users. Full and total encryption used. Privacy guaranteed within. No spying upon.

Yes, they'd like you to either subscribe or else donate some money, such as pushing premium plans ...but who does not want to generate some added revenue. You can still do it for free though and 100% free as well.

Agreed. And no ads in the free email. It has been a good service. I've used it for probably around a year and have been impressed with it.

@Davo, thanks for your post. :)

KBD wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:27 pm These guys continue to impress me. Been using their free email for awhile now and it works well. Very nice addition to their service. Good to know that not everyone has to know your plans (Google).
Tutanota free encrypted Calendar
https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/free-en ... -calendar/

Thank you for that link and generally for information.

I've never heard about Tutanota until now, but I just set up an e-mail there, so thanks again.

Davo wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:40 pm Yes, they'd like you to either subscribe or else donate some money, such as pushing premium plans ...but who does not want to generate some added revenue. You can still do it for free though and 100% free as well.

And their Premium account for private user is just 12 euro (13.45$) yearly (1.2 euro monthly) - I think it's not too much for such a service.

Fibogacci wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:28 pm
Thank you for that link and generally for information.

I've never heard about Tutanota until now, but I just set up an e-mail there, so thanks again.

Great :) Let us know how it works out for you.

Fibogacci wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:33 pm
And their Premium account for private user is just 12 euro (13.45$) yearly (1.2 euro monthly) - I think it's not too much for such a service.

I agree, very reasonable.

KBD wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:09 pm

Fibogacci wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:28 pm
Thank you for that link and generally for information.

I've never heard about Tutanota until now, but I just set up an e-mail there, so thanks again.

Great :) Let us know how it works out for you.

It's like MX - it just works I've already did short video for other users to promote the idea - which is great I think (I mean idea ). Attachments can be encrypted as well and with 1GB with free account - it's enough space for many things. And still - premium accounts are not expensive - especially when we talk about business.

That's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiLpefy0eN8

Fibogacci wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:57 pm

It's like MX - it just works I've already did short video for other users to promote the idea - which is great I think (I mean idea ). Attachments can be encrypted as well and with 1GB with free account - it's enough space for many things. And still - premium accounts are not expensive - especially when we talk about business.

That's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiLpefy0eN8

Cool :) Tutanota does seem like a well kept secret. Encrypting email is dead simple with it, though I just use it as a regular email account. People complain about Gmail and Google spying, Tutanota is both secure and private. I understand they developed their Calendar app in about 2 months. Protonmail has been promising a Calendar app for about a year without one showing up.

KBD wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:40 pm Cool :) Tutanota does seem like a well kept secret. Encrypting email is dead simple with it, though I just use it as a regular email account. People complain about Gmail and Google spying, Tutanota is both secure and private. I understand they developed their Calendar app in about 2 months. Protonmail has been promising a Calendar app for about a year without one showing up.

That's the thing - even unencrypted message from the world is kept encrypted on the account (if I understand correctly the specification).

Well, it is young start-up (company) with probably young people - youth is an energy, speed and motivation to act

Fibogacci wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:45 pm
That's the thing - even unencrypted message from the world is kept encrypted on the account (if I understand correctly the specification).

Well, it is young start-up (company) with probably young people - youth is an energy, speed and motivation to act

They remind me of another small German company and group of developers--Softmaker Office. Both have continually improved their product and have a free and paid version with the free version not being crippled or otherwise downgraded.

I've spent quite some hours reading (primarily on the Tutanota website), & I must say that I've come away quite impressed. Thanks @KBD for your OP. :)

I installed their free email client, with my fingers crossed that it would work on Waterfox v56.2.11, it installed & setup without a complaint. :D

I played around with it & the Calendar a bit too, read more of their site, & then bought the Premium version. I can hopefully get many years of use out of this project. I somehow doubt that they will sell out to people that start closing up the source.

Being produced & sitting on servers in Germany, "should" mean that combined with being open source software, that this product will remain reliable for years to come. I very much like that they are working on becoming Quantum computer proof too.

Anyway, thanks again @KBD, & of course to the project members themselves, as it is great to have finally found a cloud based project that I think I can trust.

Anyone tried their beta desktop client on MX yet?
Any tips about installation or anything else?

@Buck Fankers (love the name by the way :) ), I thought that my opening an account with Tutanota via my MX desktop machine that I was using their desktop beta client software (in Waterfox too :) )?

When I get around to stuffing around with my Android phone so that it will read a USB stick, I'll install the Android beta client on my phone. Which I think will be a giant step forward (especially for me, as I don't use my smartphones over the internet, apart from updates over wireless).

(I'll use it via Waterfox on Win7 too.)

They are all beta versions at this point, as there are more features coming before the release will be a v1.

Buck Fankers wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:04 am Anyone tried their beta desktop client on MX yet?
Any tips about installation or anything else?

Well, it is similar as in browser, but still it is beta version.

I've created short video with Tutanota appImage as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ud4iUZiew

appImage from this link:
https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/desktop-clients/

After downloading, just click an appImage file.

handy, glad that you thoroughly checked it out. And glad to hear that you saw the same things I was seeing :) I wish them well and great success. They seem to be on the right path.

Buck Fankers wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:04 am Anyone tried their beta desktop client on MX yet?
Any tips about installation or anything else?

Yes, and it works. It is an app image. You just need to right-click on the download and set permissions, allow it to launch as an exe program. It will stay in the MX panel beside wifi, bluetooth and the rest. I don't like it there all the time so I used the MX menu editor to create a launcher and placed it under favorites. You have to pick an icon for it and you are good to go.

Always nice to see someone like @handy, who had some well-based initial doubts about ads bots on the main site (a genuine concern normally ) and then actually proof-trail the actual product and then does own research and reverses the original standpoint.

To me Tutanota came about because almost all throwaway and fully free e-mail addresses mostly will 100% require a log-in every 90 days to keep the account active. Sort of defeats the purpose, methinks. Quite insane in many respects.
I had one older Opera browser email old account (operamail, if anyone remembers it), which then became fastmail, which was kinda great and never caused any worries except that one morning you wake up and the account is frozen.
Why? Overriding the 90 days soft-limit. Which just 30 days later then becomes account deleted. Deleted??? Gone? - yes fully gone. G'damn it.
No way to ever recover data, bye-bye. Glad we got rid of you was the implied response from their cough service department. Not the actual response, but most modern-day media do hate minimal-level users just hanging around and not paying full fare.

Tutao has no limits at all here. Log in once in a lifetime or do so every day. Makes no difference to them. Also explored Proton and many other offerings too. Quite happy thus-far with Tutao. Not the main account or the secondary one, but a useful additive whilst traveling.
Not that I ever need full-encryption on every routine mail sent and I have very little to hide, but I also do not want up-to 100x government agencies (or carriers etc) to be scrutinizing and machine analyzing every single word that I might be using towards a worst-case negative context.
BTW It's not paranoia if your every word ever used is profiled always. I would like to say that I bombed at trying this course totally so, but if you want a USA visa sometime soon, you should never ever use anything with the word "bomb" in it, however innocent or innocuous it might be.
A full hour interview on arrival will then quickly follow, for no other reason than online profiling prior to arrival.

Not any attempt to hide anything, but to maybe unhide it. Just free communication. Yes they offer premium plans at about $15 per annum for hugely improved storage, which is far-below most other offerings and it's all secure too.
Germany is in very many ways at the forefront of Linux (KDE and Suse etc). Possibly because ordinary Germany fell so fully into Orwellian stuff under Hitler in the semi-recent past that now Germany is so extra vigilant here in so many ways.
Lots of kudos to the allies here too, in making and reforming modern-day Germany into both a peace-loving and also actively freedom-fighting society. Not punitively taxing them to extinction. Germany just loves and fully supports Linux in so many ways

@Dave, thanks. :)

The Free account & the Premium account both have 1Gb storage. The Pro account has 10Gb storage, but it costs 60 euro/year.

You can add 10Gb storage to the Premium account for 24 euro/year. You can add more than that too, for more cost.

I keep my email accounts pretty well maintained - as in a I delete stuff. My estranged wife had way over 1000 items in her ISP based webmail account - way slow to load & do anything else.

Still, if you have stuff beyond emails, that you want to store securely, Tutanota surely does offer a good option.

KBD wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:13 pm

Buck Fankers wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:04 am Anyone tried their beta desktop client on MX yet?
Any tips about installation or anything else?

Yes, and it works. It is an app image.

App image - great, perfect, thanks

handy wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:39 am @Buck Fankers (love the name by the way :) )

Thanks, ,

Fibogacci wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:58 am

Buck Fankers wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:04 am Anyone tried their beta desktop client on MX yet?
Any tips about installation or anything else?

I've created short video with Tutanota appImage as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ud4iUZiew

appImage from this link:
https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/desktop-clients/

Thank you for the link and the video. Hearing and reading good things about them, will set me an email, thanks for bringing it up!