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DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:45 am
by BitJam
There is something about the new kernel upgrade that breaks the live system. I suspect the old kernel gets purged which removes all of its modules so your system gets crippled. Even if that is not the cause, something is causing a serious problem.
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:52 am
by Eadwine Rose
I will change this to a sticky, that way it stays on top.
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:55 am
by BitJam
If you did a remaster after the update then you should be able to get back to a working system with the "rollback" boot parameter. If you have root persistence enabled then you should be able to get back to a working system by disabling root persistence.
I realize this is not an ideal solution. We first have to identify the problem then we can work on figuring out a solution so you don't lose your changes.
If you do a "rollback" then your changes will be stored in a file called "linuxfs.bad" in the /live/boot-dev/antiX/ directory. Don't delete this file. Perhaps rename it.
If you had root persistence enabled then your changes will be stored in the file "rootfs" in the /live/boot-dev/antiX/ directory. Don't delete this file. I suggest you rename it if you want to re-enable root persistence and still be able to recover your changes later on.
I hope we can figure out how to save your changes. We got totally hosed by upstream on this.
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:42 am
by dolphin_oracle
Bump to keep on first page.
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:56 am
by penguin
Just I noticed (send a message) two people to whom I have installed MX Linux. They are not ''specialists'' and barely visit this forum.
For sure there are many peoples that have installed MX Linux or have it from some one else and barely visit this forum. On these cases , Linux OS ,Debian or Mx Linux has taken in consideration this scenario ? Can updates/upgrades disabled form web site (repo website) to deny peoples that have not idea that something was wrong? If not.... please investigate and find a way for the next time . Would be very worthy. At least a message box or window screen that warn users.
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:05 am
by jackdanielsesq
Thanks for the heads-up ... everything copacetic here - did a bunch of upgrades & reboots
in the past 24/48 hrs - everything is AOK
Regards
Jack
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:10 pm
by Fast-Game
I must be the lucky one :lipsrsealed: I have 3 laptops with MX installed, fully updated and no problems anywhere, 3 persistence live usb's fully updated and all is well. I hope the fix for those having problems doesn't do the opposite and break my systems.
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:59 pm
by Head_on_a_Stick
BitJam wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:55 am
We got totally hosed by upstream on this.
Perhaps consider using the Debian stable kernel by default and only install a newer version if the hardware requires it?
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:13 pm
by eriefisher
So this is with a Live or Persistent install only?
I have the upgrade from a few days ago with a full install and notice no issues. However, I tried both the 5. antix and Liquorix kernels and could not maintain wireless stability with either. Not sure if related but I put it out there just in case it helps. Also this is a ~week old fresh install MX18.3.
eriefisher
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:48 pm
by asqwerth
eriefisher wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:13 pm
So this is with a Live or Persistent install only?
I have the upgrade from a few days ago with a full install and notice no issues. However, I tried both the 5. antix and Liquorix kernels and could not maintain wireless stability with either. Not sure if related but I put it out there just in case it helps. Also this is a ~week old fresh install MX18.3.
eriefisher
It's with the 4.19 kernel from upstream Debian.
If you have Nvidia graphics, also be cautious.
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:56 pm
by Head_on_a_Stick
asqwerth wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:48 pm
It's with the 4.19 kernel from upstream Debian.
Doesn't MX compile their own kernel versions?
If so then "upstream" is kernel.org rather than Debian.
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:08 pm
by asqwerth
Ah so, you may be right. All I know is "upstream", I just assumed Debian.
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:34 pm
by Jules
Hi there,
Had the same problems here. Wifi was gone after kernel update. I changed to an older kernel, and it's working again.
Is there something more that I can or must do? Below is the quick system info. I now use the 4.19.01:
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System:
Host: mxbox Kernel: 4.19.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
v: 6.3.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
Distro: MX-18.3_x64 Continuum March 14 2018
base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
Machine:
Type: Portable System: Dell product: Inspiron 3543 v: A01
serial: <filter>
Mobo: Dell model: 0YP78Y v: A00 serial: <filter> UEFI [Legacy]: Dell
v: A01 date: 11/04/2014
Battery:
ID-1: BAT0 charge: 24.7 Wh condition: 24.7/41.4 Wh (60%)
model: LGC-LGC2.8 DELL T1G4M4B status: Full
CPU:
Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-5200U bits: 64 type: MT MCP
arch: Broadwell rev: 4 L2 cache: 3072 KiB
flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
bogomips: 17557
Speed: 998 MHz min/max: 500/2700 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 998
2: 1706 3: 1701 4: 1715
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel
bus ID: 00:02.0
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2)
v: 4.5 Mesa 18.2.6 direct render: Yes
Audio:
Device-1: Intel Broadwell-U Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel
v: kernel bus ID: 00:03.0
Device-2: Intel Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio vendor: Dell
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0
Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-1-amd64
Network:
Device-1: Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n
vendor: Dell Wireless 1704 802.11n + BT 4.0 driver: wl v: kernel
port: f040 bus ID: 06:00.0
IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Device-2: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet
vendor: Dell driver: r8169 v: kernel port: e000 bus ID: 07:00.0
IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 931.51 GiB used: 9.96 GiB (1.1%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST1000LM024 HN-M101MBB
size: 931.51 GiB
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 913.65 GiB used: 9.96 GiB (1.1%) fs: ext4
dev: /dev/sda2
ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.00 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap
dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 46.0 C mobo: 45.0 C
Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0
Repos:
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
1: deb http://nl.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
1: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
1: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
1: deb http://nl.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list
Info:
Processes: 203 Uptime: 3h 27m Memory: 7.71 GiB used: 2.29 GiB (29.8%)
Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash
v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.33
Regards,
Jules
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:37 pm
by anticapitalista
Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:56 pm
asqwerth wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:48 pm
It's with the 4.19 kernel from upstream Debian.
Doesn't MX compile their own kernel versions?
If so then "upstream" is kernel.org rather than Debian.
The issue is with the 4.19 MX kernel, not Debian's nor kernel.org's
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:39 pm
by richb
anticapitalista wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:37 pm
Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:56 pm
asqwerth wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:48 pm
It's with the 4.19 kernel from upstream Debian.
Doesn't MX compile their own kernel versions?
If so then "upstream" is kernel.org rather than Debian.
The issue is with the 4.19 MX kernel, not Debian's nor kernel.org's
We own it.
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:49 pm
by anticapitalista
richb wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:39 pm
anticapitalista wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:37 pm
Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:56 pm
Doesn't MX compile their own kernel versions?
If so then "upstream" is kernel.org rather than Debian.
The issue is with the 4.19 MX kernel, not Debian's nor kernel.org's
We own it.
...and (just as importantly) we can fix it too!
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:05 pm
by eriefisher
asqwerth wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:48 pm
eriefisher wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:13 pm
So this is with a Live or Persistent install only?
I have the upgrade from a few days ago with a full install and notice no issues. However, I tried both the 5. antix and Liquorix kernels and could not maintain wireless stability with either. Not sure if related but I put it out there just in case it helps. Also this is a ~week old fresh install MX18.3.
eriefisher
It's with the 4.19 kernel from upstream Debian.
If you have Nvidia graphics, also be cautious.
I likely don't see the issue immediately due to intel graphics and wireless. I did question that it did overwrite the kernel as opposed to installing alongside but didn't see an issue post update so didn't worry'
We own it.
...and (just as importantly) we can fix it too!
I have complete faith in your super powers!
eriefisher
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:14 am
by masterpeace
I'm using Kernel provided with Rufus , when it proceed to make live-USB-Installer , rufus give a warning and said this kernel might not be working on the specified distribution ... (not verbatim but i think it's close enough) and give option to download the latest kernel
And the friend that recommend me MX Linux did have the same problem , until he used my live-usb to upgrade ...
So i hope this helps ...
Re: DO NOT UPGRADE LIVE SYSTEMS WITH PERSISTENCE OR REMASTER!
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:16 am
by JayM
The issue with the newer 4.19 kernel was fixed five days ago. See MX News and Announcements.