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Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:39 am**

hi,
I have tested several distros and desktop environments - result: scrolling is not 100% smooth in Gnome, KDE and Xfce, especially in Firefox and Chrome. There is a very slight jerkyness. What is the reason for this and is it possible to tweak something here? Does it only occur with my hardware (Intel HD graphics 520 or something like that)?
However, I made the experience that scrolling is 100% smooth with the following window managers: Marco (Mate), Compiz and Openbox (and Windows 10).
Thanks in advance for the answers
Anna

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:08 am**

Can you post the content of the MX tools- quick system info?

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:29 am**

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System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.19.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: MX-18.2_x64 Continuum Apr 7  2019 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Acer product: Aspire V3-372 v: V1.12 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Acer model: Aspire V3-372 v: V1.12 serial: <filter> UEFI: Insyde v: 1.12 
           date: 02/23/2017 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 29.2 Wh condition: 29.2/51.1 Wh (57%) model: SANYO AC14B3K 
           status: Not charging 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-6200U bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Skylake 
           rev: 3 L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 19200 
           Speed: 883 MHz min/max: 400/2800 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 883 2: 892 3: 849 4: 869 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 520 vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI driver: i915 v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 520 (Skylake GT2) v: 4.5 Mesa 18.2.6 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1f.3 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-1-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
           vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI driver: r8169 v: kernel port: 3000 bus ID: 02:00.0 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Foxconn 
           driver: ath10k_pci v: kernel port: 3000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
           IF: wlan0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 442.39 GiB used: 22.5 MiB (0.0%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Kingston model: RBU-SNS8152S3256GF size: 238.47 GiB 
           ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: Intenso model: Ultra Line size: 29.82 GiB 
           ID-3: /dev/sdc type: USB vendor: Intenso model: High Speed Line size: 58.59 GiB 
           ID-4: /dev/sdd type: USB vendor: Kingston model: DataTraveler 3.0 size: 115.50 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 6.10 GiB used: 22.5 MiB (0.4%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102 
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 16.60 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdc2 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 56.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:      Processes: 199 Uptime: 1m Memory: 7.69 GiB used: 549.1 MiB (7.0%) Init: SysVinit 
           runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.29

If you think it is the modestteing driver - I think it is not because I have also tried the Intel driver and the result is the same, or at least more or less the same - with the modesetting driver there is quite heavy screen tearing, with the Intel driver, there is more jerky scrolling.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:35 am**

Another output, with Intel graphics driver where the scrolling is less smooth

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System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.19.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: MX-18.2_x64 Continuum Apr 7  2019 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Acer product: Aspire V3-372 v: V1.12 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Acer model: Aspire V3-372 v: V1.12 serial: <filter> UEFI: Insyde v: 1.12 
           date: 02/23/2017 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 29.2 Wh condition: 29.2/51.1 Wh (57%) model: SANYO AC14B3K 
           status: Not charging 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-6200U bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Skylake 
           rev: 3 L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 19200 
           Speed: 800 MHz min/max: 400/2800 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 800 2: 799 3: 800 4: 800 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 520 vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI driver: i915 v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: intel resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 520 (Skylake GT2) v: 4.5 Mesa 18.2.6 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1f.3 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-1-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
           vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI driver: r8169 v: kernel port: 3000 bus ID: 02:00.0 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Foxconn 
           driver: ath10k_pci v: kernel port: 3000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 442.39 GiB used: 281.6 MiB (0.1%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Kingston model: RBU-SNS8152S3256GF size: 238.47 GiB 
           ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: Intenso model: Ultra Line size: 29.82 GiB 
           ID-3: /dev/sdc type: USB vendor: Intenso model: High Speed Line size: 58.59 GiB 
           ID-4: /dev/sdd type: USB vendor: Kingston model: DataTraveler 3.0 size: 115.50 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 6.10 GiB used: 281.6 MiB (4.5%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102 
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 16.60 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdc2 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 57.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:      Processes: 211 Uptime: 10m Memory: 7.69 GiB used: 1.04 GiB (13.5%) Init: SysVinit 
           runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.29

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:39 am**

I use Chromium Wheel Smoother extension on Google Chrome. It has many option settings and greatly improves scroll smoothness. No doubt there are similar extensions for Firefox.

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:19 pm**

Nobody has the same problem? can somebody at least reproduce this?
Btw, thanks for the answers - I tried all those smooth scroll plugins/extensions - they do not appear to do much, there are also the smooth scroll flags in Chrome

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:23 pm**

betazoid wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:19 pm Nobody has the same problem? can somebody at least reproduce this?
Btw, thanks for the answers - I tried all those smooth scroll plugins/extensions - they do not appear to do much, there are also the smooth scroll flags in Chrome

Interesting. The Chromium Wheel Smoother extension is extremely effective on my system.

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:44 pm**

I found a couple of years back with Firefox and with Waterfox that I'm currently using, that I got better results by going to preferences>advanced>general and unticking "use smooth scrolling", and ticking "use autoscrolling"....Never did investigate as to why that might be. It just gives better smooth scrolling with the mouse in my case..

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 4:18 am**

Well, I tried the smooth scroll plugin/extension again and the result was that it made the jerkyness much worse, but definitely not better

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 4:43 pm**

Are you using the XFCE or Compton compositors? You also said that compiz made it smooth, so you could run that in MX.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2019 6:43 pm**

betazoid wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:19 pm Nobody has the same problem? can somebody at least reproduce this?

I feel like something is different with my scroll wheel. It seems delayed, slow, uneven (compared to what I was used to on Lubuntu LXDE). Sometimes it even feels like it goes backwards one line (with the first "step" in the rotation, or before it settles into the last step of the rotation). Something's different.

I don't know how that compares to what you're experiencing.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2019 8:06 pm**

betazoid wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:19 pm Nobody has the same problem? can somebody at least reproduce this?
Btw, thanks for the answers - I tried all those smooth scroll plugins/extensions - they do not appear to do much, there are also the smooth scroll flags in Chrome

Have you tried a different mouse?

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 10:35 am**

yes, exactly, sometimes it feels like it is going backwards for a fraction of a second.
btw, today I checked out the computers at the fh technikum wien - same. they have ubuntu 19.04 gnome. and almost the same video cards, intel hd graphics 600 something.
I think this is a bug. probably in the graphics driver?
for the moment the only "solution" is using openbox, marco or compiz.

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 10:42 am**

btw I did try a different mouse - same. I do not think it is the mouse or the touchpad.
edit checked again openbox, a little bit better than xfwm4, kde and gnome-cinnamon, but not perfect either
I think Marco and Compiz are the best in this respect

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 12:54 pm**

betazoid wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 10:35 am yes, exactly, sometimes it feels like it is going backwards for a fraction of a second.

We must be noticing the same thing. It's very minor, and yet annoying. It feels like I'm working against someone else scrolling (slower than I, or the opposite direction). It's very slight, yet always that feeling of pushing against something resisting me. Or, maybe like interacting with a heavily scripted web page when I have a lot of other internet activity happening (on a slow connection). Like there's some lag, and it's playing catch-up with where the page ends up ("ooops, too far, back one line.").

It's not a deal-breaker for me. But, it definitely feels different.

It feels like my touchpad is active and I'm fighting against myself that way (like my palm is resting on the touchpad.). But, I disable my touchpad from the command line.

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xinput list # find the device number
xinput list-props 11 # show properties for device number (11 in my case)
xinput set-prop 11 "Device Enabled" 0 # set the device number to disabled

betazoid wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 10:35 am for the moment the only "solution" is using openbox, marco or compiz.

I went into MX Tools->Tweak->Compositor, and set that to Compton. It seems better now.

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 2:58 pm**

Well it is a bit better when I am using Compton, it is also better when using no compositor at all and it is worst when using the xfwm4/compositor
it is very well noticeable with horiyontal lines or text since text kind of also consits of horizontal lines

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 3:01 pm**

az2020 wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 12:54 pm We must be noticing the same thing. It's very minor, and yet annoying.

what kind of graphics-video hardware do you have?

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 3:28 pm**

betazoid wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 3:01 pm
az2020 wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 12:54 pm We must be noticing the same thing. It's very minor, and yet annoying.
what kind of graphics-video hardware do you have?

From the Toshiba C55-B5299 specs, it only says:

• Intel® Celeron® N2830 Processor (1M Cache, up to 2.41GHz)
• Mobile Intel® HD graphics with shared graphics memory

From the command: "inxi -Fxrz"

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Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display 
           vendor: Toshiba America Info Systems driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1366x768~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Bay Trail v: 4.2 Mesa 18.2.6 direct render: Yes

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 3:34 pm**

Apparently this is an Intel resp. modesetting driver bug. Apparently these Intel video cards are just not good.

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 5:38 pm**

betazoid wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 3:34 pm Apparently this is an Intel resp. modesetting driver bug. Apparently these Intel video cards are just not good.

I wasn't expecting much from this budget laptop. But, it didn't have the problem when I ran Lubuntu (both LXDE and LXQt desktops) for as long as I owned the laptop. I believe they were using Openbox (and now SDDM) display managers.

It also seemed to go away when I enabled Compton (mentioned above). That makes it seem like it's something more than the laptop's driver.

But, I'm fine how it is now (with Compton).

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 6:03 pm**

well the computers that I checked out today were not exactly budget pc's at the fh technikum (it is something like a technical/it university), they had 16 GB of ram, 8-core-cpu's, well and the intel hd 6xx graphics.
Honestly I would be happy if someone with different hardware could tell if this is an issue with their computer, I am really curious...

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 7:09 pm**

You could try the stock Debian 4.9 kernel, since the modesetting driver is in the kernel, to see if it makes any difference, or the stock Debian version of xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, since we have a backported version to support newer Intel GPUs. Or there's a newer Mesa in the test repo.

Those are the only other variables I think you can tweak at the moment, though I'll see if upstream Debian has any newer Intel driver.

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 8:14 pm**

Stevo wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 7:09 pm You could try 1) the stock Debian 4.9 kernel, since the modesetting driver is in the kernel, to see if it makes any difference, or 2) the stock Debian version of xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, since we have a backported version to support newer Intel GPUs. Or 3) there's a newer Mesa in the test repo.

If someone can tell me what to do, I can try one of those (at least).

It's not really important to me. I'm fine how it is. But, if this would lead to an improvement for others, I can try whatever someone tells me to do. (It's not the end of the world if I have to reinstall.).

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 8:53 pm**

az2020 wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 8:14 pm
Stevo wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 7:09 pm You could try 1) the stock Debian 4.9 kernel, since the modesetting driver is in the kernel, to see if it makes any difference, or 2) the stock Debian version of xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, since we have a backported version to support newer Intel GPUs. Or 3) there's a newer Mesa in the test repo.
If someone can tell me what to do, I can try one of those (at least).

It's not really important to me. I'm fine how it is. But, if this would lead to an improvement for others, I can try whatever someone tells me to do. (It's not the end of the world if I have to reinstall.).

Kernel:
Open MX Package Installer. On the Popular Applications tab, expand Kernels. Look for Debian 64 bit (description: "Default Debian 4.9 kernel Meltdown patched, 64-bit") Select it and click Install. Let it finish.

Open MX Boot Options. Select "Enable saving last boot choice" and "Use flat menus (no submenus)" then click Apply.

Reboot, and on the grub boot screen, down-arrow to the 4.9 kernel and hit enter. It will default to the 4.9 kernel from then on until you select a different one at boot. If 4.9 doesn't help the problem there's no need to uninstall it, just select kernel 4.19 again when you boot later on.

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 10:14 pm**

JayM wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 8:53 pm Kernel:

Thanks. I will do this soon. I reverted MX Tools->MX Tweaks->Compositor back to none. I want to live with it that way for awhile. The behavior is subtle. I don't trust my subjective mind to say "this is better" (or worse). Let me experience it for awhile. Then I'll do the kernel steps and see what my initial impressions are.

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 10:20 pm**

To downgrade a package, check available versions:

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apt policy xserver-xorg-video-intel
xserver-xorg-video-intel:
  Installed: 2:2.99.917+git20180925-2~mx17+1
  Candidate: 2:2.99.917+git20180925-2~mx17+1
  Version table:
 *** 2:2.99.917+git20180925-2~mx17+1 500
        500 http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo stretch/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 500
        500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 Packages

You want to try the older version from debian.org

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sudo apt install  xserver-xorg-video-intel=2:2.99.917+git20161206-1

Test the kernel and this driver with the Tweak tool separately. It also requires a reboot. The MX version will nag you to upgrade, but you can pin the Debian version in Synaptic if it proves helpful. (Status: upgradeable Package: Lock Version)

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 8:11 am**

Well it might be easier just to try a live debian 9 on a pendrive? But I am almost sure that I already tested this with debian 9

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 9:05 am**

betazoid wrote: Mon May 06, 2019 8:11 am Well it might be easier just to try a live debian 9 on a pendrive? But I am almost sure that I already tested this with debian 9

I don't mind doing the steps Steveo said. I may try today. The problem for me is that the scrolling problem is subtle. I want to give it more time to discern it.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 12:50 pm**

betazoid wrote: Mon May 06, 2019 8:11 am Well it might be easier just to try a live debian 9 on a pendrive? But I am almost sure that I already tested this with debian 9

I followed @Steveo's instructions for booting with the 4.9 kernel. I'm going to have to use this for while, then boot the 4.19 kernel again.

It's increasingly hard for me to tell if there's a difference. I definitely noticed it after replacing Lubuntu with MX 18.2. Coming from something different, the jerky scrolling (like it didn't have enough priority) seemed more than just mildly perceptible. But, now, after using it for awhile... I don't trust my own judgment.

You should try his instructions and see if you notice a difference. It's easy. The only word of warning: the Package Installer doesn't have a great status. For a long time I thought it was finished, and I was going to close it. But, it was still working. You'll really receive a popup window saying it's done. You'll also have a busy mouse pointer if you hover around the frame of the PI. That's the only hint you have that it's still working. Be patient and wait for the popup.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 4:03 pm**

Yes, if you are using some third party driver like Nividia on an older machine, it might take a while to rebuild the drivers for the new kernel, which it does automatically using DKMS. Be patient and watch the CPU usage, which should be high while it's building the driver.

Posted: **Tue May 07, 2019 8:32 am**

JayM wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 8:53 pm Kernel:
Open MX Package Installer. On the Popular Applications tab, expand Kernels. Look for Debian 64 bit (description: "Default Debian 4.9 kernel Meltdown patched, 64-bit") Select it and click Install. Let it finish.

Open MX Boot Options. Select "Enable saving last boot choice" and "Use flat menus (no submenus)" then click Apply.

Reboot, and on the grub boot screen, down-arrow to the 4.9 kernel and hit enter. It will default to the 4.9 kernel from then on until you select a different one at boot. If 4.9 doesn't help the problem there's no need to uninstall it, just select kernel 4.19 again when you boot later on.

I have determined it's not the kernel causing the sluggish mousewheel. This morning I had a very apparent episode (backwards one line; variable speed as I scrolled). Sometimes it feels like it has something to do with a slow internet. Like there is some communication back to the host, or waiting for something to arrive. It has that randomness. (I have a relatively slow internet. That's why I'm reluctant to read too much into all this. I may not be experiencing the same thing @betaoid is. However, there was a very apparent difference when I switched my distro to MX 18.2. It's more than just my imagination.).

I will try suggestion #2 next ("the stock Debian version of xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, since we have a backported version to support newer Intel GPUs.").

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 11:54 am**

well I am not sure. I am now using Lubuntu 19.04 with Compiz and it is definitely worse. Maybe it has something to do with the 5.x kernel? Although Compiz settings are probably different since I had to set up Compiz form scratch.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 1:04 pm**

betazoid wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 11:54 am well I am not sure. I am now using Lubuntu 19.04 with Compiz and it is definitely worse. Maybe it has something to do with the 5.x kernel? Although Compiz settings are probably different since I had to set up Compiz form scratch.

I used Lubuntu for 4-5 years, and 19.04 for two weeks. I didn't notice any oddness with scrollwheel handling (other than the new Qt version of PCManFM treats "rows" as lines, so it scrolls much further than I was accustomed to.). Based upon my experience with that, MX Linux seemed sluggish in the way the scrollwheel worked (in the browser, and Featherpad, etc.).

I didn't do anything with Compiz in Lubuntu 19.04 (or prior versions). Just the normal install.

I haven't tried the 2nd suggestion in this thread (after the kernel test). Maybe today.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 1:52 pm**

It should be able to sort itself If you use Windows Manager tweaks.

download/file.php?id=13869&mode=view

It belongs to user many roads.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:15 pm**

Lubuntu probably is using the 0.9 version of Compiz instead of the compiz-reloaded fork that MX uses.

Firefox pages will jump around if they load images and junk as you scroll, even with a fast conection. I just saw there's a setting to prevent the jumping somewhere, but forgot to write it down and will have to find it again..Fermat's Last Setting?

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:48 pm**

Stevo wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 6:15 pmFirefox pages will jump around if they load images and junk as you scroll, even with a fast connection.

I just want to be clear that what I noticed wasn't that. The page could be completely calm, loaded. But, scrolling with the mousewheel felt variable (slow and then fast). Often the first or last notch of the wheel would cause the page to go the opposite direction.

In some ways it's very subtle because now I'm having a hard time trusting whether I know if something is better or worse. But, when I first migrated to MX, it was noticeable (from years of experiencing smoother scrolling).

I'm still unclear if @betazoid 's experience is similarly subtle to mine. Maybe he's just hypersensitive like me. Or, maybe he is experiencing something more noticeable (and I just jumped in with my own hypersensitive experience. I'm very averse to change. Something minor can stand out to me as a big thing.).

To @betazoid: if you're distro surfing (now using Lubuntu), you might look at Peppermint. When I decided to use a different distro, I settled on Peppermint, then MX as a 2nd choice. Since Peppermint 10 will be released soon, I thought I might as well use MX while I wait. All three distros are in the same lightweight category. (Lubuntu has been becoming a heavier "lightweight." Mint MATE is often referred to that way by articles summing up the "best lightweight distros." I was considering Mint MATE too, as my 3rd choice. It's in the range of "not so heavy" distro. But, Peppermint and MX are fairly light (without getting into Puppy or Antix. Which are good distros. But, lighter than I need. I like a little more polish.).

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Re: no smooth scrolling with xfwm, kde and gnome - why?

Re: no smooth scrolling with xfwm, kde and gnome - why?

Re: no smooth scrolling with xfwm, kde and gnome - why?