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Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:18 am**

I did a fresh install of Debian Buster yesterday and it is very solid out of the box. Was glad to see synaptic was there by default, so they got that bug worked out. I installed MATE desktop on it, and it was about 500 mb ram use at boot, and I never broke 1 gb ram use with Chrome and one tab open. Feels much less bloated than Ubuntu. MX is going to have a great base to build on.
Edit: ram use below is with 2 tabs open, Reddit and MX Forum, so under 1 gb ram use with 2 tabs open.

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 _,met$$$$$gg.          viking@debian 
    ,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P.       ------------- 
  ,g$$P"     """Y$$.".        OS: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid x86_64 
 ,$$P'              `$$$.     Host: 4291ZDF ThinkPad X220 
',$$P       ,ggs.     `$$b:   Kernel: 4.19.0-4-amd64 
`d$$'     ,$P"'   .    $$$    Uptime: 41 mins 
 $$P      d$'     ,    $$P    Packages: 1729 (dpkg) 
 $$:      $$.   -    ,d$$'    Shell: bash 5.0.3 
 $$;      Y$b._   _,d$P'      Resolution: 1366x768 
 Y$$.    `.`"Y$$$$P"'         DE: MATE 
 `$$b      "-.__              WM: Metacity (Marco) 
  `Y$$                        WM Theme: Blue-Submarine 
   `Y$$.                      Theme: Blue-Submarine [GTK2/3] 
     `$$b.                    Icons: Moka [GTK2/3] 
       `Y$$b.                 Terminal: mate-terminal 
          `"Y$b._             Terminal Font: Monospace 13 
              `"""            CPU: Intel i5-2520M (4) @ 3.200GHz 
                              GPU: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family 
                              Memory: 931MiB / 7860MiB

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:38 am**

What command do you use to get that system info display?

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:40 am**

BV206 wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:38 am What command do you use to get that system info display?

neofetch. I can't remember if it is on MX by default, but if not you can add it from synaptic or the terminal.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:55 am**

Debian is great.... buster will prove it.

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$ neofetch
       _,met$$$$$gg.          amurt@rasatPC 
    ,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P.       ------------- 
  ,g$$P"     """Y$$.".        OS: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid x86_64 
 ,$$P'              `$$$.     Host: Inspiron 5567 
',$$P       ,ggs.     `$$b:   Kernel: 4.19.0-1-amd64 
`d$$'     ,$P"'   .    $$$    Uptime: 13 mins 
 $$P      d$'     ,    $$P    Packages: 2406 (dpkg) 
 $$:      $$.   -    ,d$$'    Shell: bash 5.0.3 
 $$;      Y$b._   _,d$P'      Resolution: 1920x1080 
 Y$$.    `.`"Y$$$$P"'         DE: GNOME 3.30.2 
 `$$b      "-.__              WM: GNOME Shell 
  `Y$$                        WM Theme: Marwaita (OSX) 
   `Y$$.                      Theme: Adwaita [GTK2/3] 
     `$$b.                    Icons: breeze [GTK2/3] 
       `Y$$b.                 Terminal: gnome-terminal 
          `"Y$b._             CPU: Intel i7-7500U (4) @ 3.500GHz 
              `"""            GPU: Intel HD Graphics 620 
                              GPU: AMD ATI Radeon R7 M260/M265 / M340/M360 / M4 
                              Memory: 1901MiB / 3845MiB

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:55 pm**

I've been running Buster for a while. It's very good. I have had no problems with it at all.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:27 pm**

Eggnog wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:55 pm I've been running Buster for a while. It's very good. I have had no problems with it at all.

That's good to know. I've heard that from others as well.
Edit: some info about Debian Buster:
https://itsfoss.com/debian-10-buster/

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:02 pm**

Debian buster is fantastic, really shiny.

It even has runit-init as a PID1 option now: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=141656

But the systemd-shim has gone so MX will have to make a choice as to the init system.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:12 pm**

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:02 pm Debian buster is fantastic, really shiny.

That sounds good!

It even has runit-init as a PID1 option now: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=141656

But how useful is that when packages depend on systemd?

But the systemd-shim has gone so MX will have to make a choice as to the init system.

Why is that gone? Lack of maintainer? This package seems crucial to using Debian without systemd as init.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:17 pm**

dreamer wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:12 pm
Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:02 pm Debian buster is fantastic, really shiny.
That sounds good!

It even has runit-init as a PID1 option now: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=141656
But how useful is that when packages depend on systemd?

But the systemd-shim has gone so MX will have to make a choice as to the init system.
Why is that gone? Lack of maintainer? This package seems crucial to using Debian without systemd as init.

systemd-shim was an Ubuntu based project, and its been abandoned since they gave up Upstart (the ubuntu init system before systemd)

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:42 pm**

dreamer wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:12 pm
It even has runit-init as a PID1 option now: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=141656
But how useful is that when packages depend on systemd?

Why does it matter if the systemd package is installed if it is not running as PID1?

I don't like systemd because it's too complicated and the codebase is too big, runit-init solves that completely for me.

Although I do actually prefer the slightly more complicated OpenRC option because of the lovely user interface and tools.

dreamer wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:12 pmThis package seems crucial to using Debian without systemd as init.

Nope, I can run either sysvinit or runit-init as PID1 without the systemd-shim in Debian buster.

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