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This is really just a bugfix point release to address the problem of the ‘Expired key’ that anyone downloading 17.4 would immediately have to fix.

As usual, the following completely systemd-free flavours for both 32 and 64 bit architecture are offered:

antiX-full (c1GB) – 4 windows managers – IceWM (default), fluxbox, jwm and herbstluftwm plus full libreoffice suite.

antiX-base (c680MB so fits on a cd) – 4 windows managers – IceWM (default), fluxbox, jwm and herbstluftwm.

antiX-core (c330MB) – no X, but should support most wireless.

antiX-net (c170MB)- no X. Just enough to get you connected (wired) and ready to build.

The 32 bit version uses a non-pae kernel.

See here for more details: https://antixlinux.com/antix-17-4-now-out/

Nice, torrent files here:
https://antixlinux.com/torrent-files/

Guess they're not synced yet --downloads nor torrents @0135 -4.0 UTC
I'll try again tomorrow.

Richard wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:36 am Guess they're not synced yet --downloads nor torrents @0135 -4.0 UTC
I'll try again tomorrow.

Richard, the torrents should be working...are you seeing the "I am not a robot" recaptcha? Need to click that first.

Let me know if they are not working and what error you are seeing.

Yes, I did the Recapcha several times.
Not on computer at the moment.

I wanted the 386-Full, did the Recapcha but nothing ever started. I think I was just too early.
All my attempts showed 0 of 0 peers. And only 17.4 was available on the mirrors.

I'll try again tonight if all is well with my connection.

Not a problem, my 17.3.1 snapshot is good --just that old curiosity bug.

@Richard, did the .torrent file download okay?

Richard wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:36 pm Yes, I did the Recapcha several times.

The problem is that while you click "I'm not a robot" you do look like one...

Yeah, probably. :) Kinda felt that way.

I wondered why a torrent file needs so much protection? Solve a Recapcha on each access.
Just curious --not a problem.

I got this one:

ERROR: Google reCAPTCHA verification failed. Do you have JavaScript enabled?

Which tells me: I need ask Google to get permission to download a torrent file.

fehlix wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:54 pm I got this one:

ERROR: Google reCAPTCHA verification failed. Do you have JavaScript enabled?

Which tells me: I need ask Google to get permission to download a torrent file.

We use Google recaptcha. That is what is on this forum, the website, and the antix forum. The wordpress plugins we use expect you to use google recaptcha.

@Richard the torrent file downloads we were using up a lot of bandwidth. So we added the captcha and the downloads dropped by 90 %.

richb wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:09 pm The wordpress plugins we use expect you to use google recaptcha.

Sure. That's already stated by the error message. That does not answer the underlying question why a torrent download is needing this protection, which potentially might not only block robots but user. Rather suggest to get rid of the recaptcha for the torrent downloads, if technically or logistically possible.

Peregrine answered that question. Post #11.

richb wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:36 pm Peregrine answered that question. Post #11.

Ahh, right. Didn't read post #11 before. 90% reduction, that's a lot. hope that the number of potential interested users has not also "reduced" by this.

fehlix wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:45 pm

richb wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:36 pm Peregrine answered that question. Post #11.

Ahh, right. Didn't read post #11 before. 90% reduction, that's a lot. hope that the number of potential interested users has not also "reduced" by this.

Why would they if they are not robots like Richard? I would not be worried we have plenty of alternatives we have over 150 mirrors, surely somebody would find a way to download antiX or MX if they so wish...

Besides the captcha, a suggestion.

Why is the base-version in first place?
There are often antiX-beginners on the forum, who have base installed for no particular reason and are then completely puzzled why they can't install a printer for example. Base neither provides cups nor printer drivers.
What I want to say is that antix-full is more beginner friendly and belongs to me on the first place in the order.

It seems the bots are attracted to .torrent files, that's for sure. Would it fool them if we zipped them up and didn't have "torrent" in the name?

https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/comm ... ncryption/

If you haven't seen the series, he's really a robot but doesn't know that.

The order they are in is not a recommendation.

caprea wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:00 pm Besides the captcha, a suggestion.

Why is the base-version in first place?
There are often antiX-beginners on the forum, who have base installed for no particular reason and are then completely puzzled why they can't install a printer for example. Base neither provides cups nor printer drivers.
What I want to say is that antix-full is more beginner friendly and belongs to me on the first place in the order.

Base still fits on a CD.

It could look like a recommendation,though.

antiX-17.4.1_386-full.iso is downloading from 1 of 1 peer - 5 days remaining. :( slow connection)
but it will pick up later this evening.
Regards/

Richard wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:38 pm antiX-17.4.1_386-full.iso is downloading from 1 of 1 peer - 5 days remaining. :( slow connection)
but it will pick up later this evening.
Regards/

I will try and help out seeding now.

Me too--downloading now.

Adrian wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:46 pm Why would they if they are not robots like Richard? I would not be worried we have plenty of alternatives we have over 150 mirrors, surely somebody would find a way to download antiX or MX if they so wish...

Adrian, that's not the point. That's not how torrent-network works. Every torrrent dowloader joins the peer-to-peer torrent network as a leacher and at least for a short time becomes a seeder. Any potential torrent downloader which for what ever reason is not joining this network is also not helping to keep the network alive. And if the minimum "critcal" number of seeders is not available, you have a kind of collaps - nobody is using it - something what Richard might just is oberserving.

That is a good point Fehlix. Time will tell whether the ReCaptcha is a sufficient deterrent. We can easily monitor the downloads. At present we have no desirable alternative.

fehlix wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:11 pm Adrian, that's not the point. That's not how torrent-network works. Every torrrent dowloader joins the peer-to-peer torrent network as a leacher and at least for a short time becomes a seeder. Any potential torrent downloader which for what ever reason is not joining this network is also not helping to keep the network alive. And if the minimum "critcal" number of seeders is not available, you have a kind of collaps - nobody is using it - something what Richard might just is oberserving.

I agree, fehlix. The antiX torrents are starved for seeds. In the morning, for the antixlinux site, I will turn off the recaptchas and move the link to the torrent page up 'above the fold' to see if that gets more actual participants without bots.

Well, they could always put them on archive.org and use their torrents until they get so popular they get restricted, too. Though they still work anyhow if you provide the torrent file instead of a direct link to the archive.org copy. Archive.org always seeds them.

Stevo wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:55 pm Well, they could always put them on archive.org and use their torrents until they get so popular they get restricted, too. Though they still work anyhow if you provide the torrent file instead of a direct link to the archive.org copy. Archive.org always seeds them.

I've turned off the recaptchas for antixlinux...we will see if that makes a difference in making it easier for new users.

Right now there are not that many download requests and therefore not many seeds. We'll see what it looks like tomorrow.

Paul.. wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:04 pm
Right now there are not that many download requests and therefore not many seeds. We'll see what it looks like tomorrow.

I've had a few, Aussies - who like us are in daylight - and a couple of Europeans who must be burning the midnight oil, but it is generally quiet.

Gordon in NZ.

Seeding 17.4.1 now...
https://antixlinux.com/torrent-files/

And Distrowatch
https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resou ... order=name

JR

More than 200 peers at 311030 UTC. Plenty of interest.

Thanks for the report from NZ, Gordon.

I have noticed using qBittorrent software for all torrent seeding: antix I see there is not a reannounce time for either mxrepo.com or resonatingmedia.com
yet for MX-18 torrents I am seeding all have a reannounce times. I do not know much about torrents, but maybe that is one reason Antix is not getting the activity is always has had.

Coppersurfer.tk seems to be the most active torrent, for MX18 64bit version with almost double the activity of any MX-18.1 torrent.
The Distrowatch's resonatingmedia.com and mxrepo.com Antix torrents have the same name and were combined as single torrent in qBittorrent

I do not know how I added the Coppersurfer.tk torrent, as I used Distorwatch, and archive.org to start seeding.

This is all I have noticed different about the AntiX torrents, as they are much slower than I have ever seen.

JR

JR, what tool are you using to detect the reannounce times (or the lack of them)? I'd like to recreate here.

Paul.. wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:23 pm JR, what tool are you using to detect the reannounce times (or the lack of them)? I'd like to recreate here.

I am using qBittorrent software.
On the bottom of the screen there are buttons/tabs: General, Trackers, Peers, HTTP Sources, and Content

If you check you will find a lot of information in the various tabs,

Archive.org
uploaded for MX.18.1386 - 104.7 GIB
uploaded for MX.18.1X64 - 168.8 GIB

Today I have this note in the (general tab) for MX.18.1386 and MX.18.1X64 - Nothing was uploaded overnight for either torrent: This content hosted at the Internet Archive at https://archive.org/details/MX18.1386
Files may have changed, which prevents torrents from downloading correctly or completely; please check for an updated torrent at https://archive.org/download/MX18.1386/ ... ve.torrent
Note: retrieval usually requires a client that supports webseeding (GetRight style).
Note: many Internet Archive torrents contain a 'pad file' directory. This directory and the files within it may be erased once retrieval completes.
Note: the file MX18.1386_meta.xml contains metadata about this torrent's contents.

I just started seeding in different MX system and discovered the Distrowatch MX-18.1_x64 torrent adds the Coppersurfer.tk torrent...
Seems with all the activity for MX, AntiX should also be on Coppersurfer.tk

JR

Those aren't the torrent names from our tracker. You're looking at someone else's.
http://l2.mxrepo.com/torrents
The issue is that creating a torrent with the same iso file and the same defaults will result in the same hash for the torrent file even if the trackers in it are different.

timkb4cq wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:06 pm Those aren't the torrent names from our tracker. You're looking at someone else's.
http://l2.mxrepo.com/torrents
The issue is that creating a torrent with the same iso file and the same defaults will result in the same hash for the torrent file even if the trackers in it are different.

Tim I have been seeding 64 bit from Archive.org since Feb/13.19 8:14 haven't changed the name on torrent just seeding... (uploaded for MX.18.1X64 - 168.8 GIB)
Nor have I created a torrent.

Also have been seeding 32 bit from Archive.org since Feb/13.19 8:16 haven't changed the name on torrent just seeding... (uploaded for MX.18.1386 - 104.7 GIB )

I was seeding from LinuxTracker but moved when you announced the Archive.org change.
I deleted the torrent when we changed torrent locations, and downloaded new, did not reuse the old file from Linuxtracker...

I am also uploading antix and MX from distrowatch
antiX-17.4.1_x64-full.iso
MX-18.1_x64.iso


Saving all seeds/downloads in different locations on same hard drive.

JR

@namida12 We are no longer using archive.org to host our torrents because they were refusing downloads from un-registered accounts.

We have now set up our own torrent servers for hosting both MX and antiX. Here are the torrent download links.

MX
https://mxlinux.org/torrent-files/

antiX
https://antixlinux.com/torrent-files/

EDIT: Hope this helps. We would very much like to know how they perform from your location!!

I am now seeding from a Dell Inspiron 570 rather than my main system -
Antix 17.4.1 32 and 64 bit Full from MXrepo.com
MX-18.1 both the _32 and _64 bit from MXrepo.com

From Distrowatch
antiX-17.4.1_64-full <--- Trackers were combined when I added Antix 17.4.1_64 from mxrepo.com
Mx-18.1_64 <--- Trackers were combined when I added Mx-18.1_64 from mxrepo.com Guess who ever has permission to upload to Distrowatch should provide a slightly different name so the tracker will not be combined in the future.

I am still finding higher of activity on Coppersurfer.tk that appear to have come from Distrowatch MX-18.1_64 Torrent not much from MXrepo. Have no reannounce time in this torrent, but I have reannounce times in the general button/tab on torrents from MXrepo.com torrents now.

I shared over 200 GIB from Archive.org on the other system and hope to do more from these different torrent links.
58.1 GIB uploaded in less than a week via Coppersurfer

JR

namida12 wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:15 pm From Distrowatch
antiX-17.4.1_64-full <--- Trackers were combined when I added Antix 17.4.1_64 from mxrepo.com
Mx-18.1_64 <--- Trackers were combined when I added Mx-18.1_64 from mxrepo.com Guess who ever has permission to upload to Distrowatch should provide a slightly different name so the tracker will not be combined in the future.

Distrowatch takes the MX officially posted .torrent files and piggybacks on them by adding ours (and others) to their own torrent server. Like our newly built torrent servers, Distrowatch uses a tracker (opentracker) with a seeder (qbittorrent or rtorrent). That is why the trackers are combined automatically and the .torrent file names are the same. What Distrowatch is doing is akin to what an individual user does when they choose to seed from their own bittorrent client (Transmission, qBittorrent, etc.) but they also have their own tracker (based on opentracker http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/opentracker/ by Dirk Engling). Having a tracker facilitates seeding and other functions.

I am still finding higher of activity on Coppersurfer.tk that appear to have come from Distrowatch MX-18.1_64 Torrent not much from MXrepo. Have no reannounce time in this torrent, but I have reannounce times in the general button/tab on torrents from MXrepo.com torrents now.

If you take a look at their webpage, coppersurfer.tk and you will see that they also use opentracker by Dirk Engling as the tracker. This is one of thousands of free trackers out there...with no whitelist on the tracker, traffic can come from anywhere. BTW, the reannounce time that you mention is a function of your bittorrent client, not the torrent servers.

I shared over 200 GIB from Archive.org on the other system and hope to do more from these different torrent links.
58.1 GIB uploaded in less than a week via Coppersurfer

Many thanks for actively seeding! Whatever torrents are currently posted on archive.org are posted by individuals at this point. MX decided to stop using archive.org because they began blocking downloads of .torrent files from non-members...we think that was because our traffic levels triggered an alarm in their system...That event caused us to build our own torrent servers.

What is AntiX? a completely seperate Linux OS? if so why is it so closely associated with MX linux?
Im a usual elementry os user and just installed MX linux today.

Yup! antiX is a completely separate distro, also based on Debian and partners with MX. Actually the name MX borrows from it's parent, Mepis, and the X is from antiX. Common heritage, both awesome!

antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to install systemd-free linux live CD distribution based on Debian Stable for Intel-AMD x86 compatible systems. antiX offers users the “antiX Magic” in an environment suitable for old and new computers.

https://antixlinux.com/about/

MX Linux is also systemd-free although one has the option at boot time to select systemd.

MX and antiX share the same developers and systemd-free mentality.

ck1984 wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:05 pm What is AntiX? a completely seperate Linux OS? if so why is it so closely associated with MX linux?
Im a usual elementry os user and just installed MX linux today.

An explanation of antX.
https://antixlinux.com/about/

antiX was developed as an offshoot of Mepis, then became an independent system with no relation to Mepis. MX was developed with the help of antiX developers and MX developers. It incorporates features designed by those developers notably USB Live persistence. MX and antiX are separate Linux distros and share unique apps but are very different systems.

AntiX is more 'old school', uses window managers instead of a complete desktop environment, keeps you closer to the system, instead of hiding everything under a GUI, (requires a certain amount of command line usage).

It is built for use on older systems in mind, those with less resources, so uses light weight software in the main, but runs happily on just about any system.

ok got it
So what is significance of systemd i keep hearing about?

right, that's a great question... and has been previously discussed (repeatedly, and in great depth)
and doesn't fit here in the "antiX-17.4.1 now out" thread