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Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:52 am
by freefreeno
I just wan to say that I love the how mx works . There that is out of the way. The Distro works great but looks like it was designed by well someone who maybe like windows 2000.There is two things wrong with the entire thing. The icons you use for mx applications well they are ugly as all get out and nearly everyone of them looks out of place and make the rest look like crap. You will say theme it. Yea you could do that but nobody puts icon themes in there for say MX idevice mounter so when we try and use an icon theme that looks great on ALL other Distro's it well looks like crap on here. The future of Linux is with the younger people and the younger people do not want something that was designed like a year 2000 PC. It is nearly 2019 and the only thing that holds this Distro back from being my number one choice is design. The icon themes look out of place for MX apps. Issue number two is the fact that ALL MX apps can't be removed without removing all the stuff nearly. Linux is about freedom and I if I want to remove something then well I think that shouldn't be a problem bu it is on here. I guess you all don't want people to remove any MX apps. Why should I have to wait on updates to be applied to something that I will never use but I will be forced to look at every day ugly icons and all. It is simple people come to Linux for freedom and if you make it where they cant remove anything then well that defeats the purpose. That said the work ability of this Distro is great but the design and the fact that half of the distro cant be removed without removing the other half well that is not freedom and that is what turns me back. I will never ever use idevice mounter or windows wireless drivers but I will be waiting on updates for them when updates are applied and I will have to look at them. Nice distro but needs a design refresh and someone to remember the very thing that brought us all to Linux which was freedom.


Mod note Eadwine: edited title, please don't shout.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:59 am
by Adrian
What MX program you want to remove and why?

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:11 pm
by Jerry3904
Long lectures are always fun.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:30 pm
by MAYBL8
I usually don't comment on these kinds of posts but you said it perfectly. Linux is about Freedom and you have the Freedom to choose any distro you like. Also there are all free so you don't have to pay for any of them.
Constructive criticism is always welcome I am sure.
Maybe someone here can point you to the tools you need to make this distro look the way you want it to. Anything can be done with Linux if you put the time and effort into it to learn it.
Good Luck

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:36 pm
by anticapitalista
Paragraphs are the key to getting someone to read your posts.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:41 pm
by manyroads
Personally I eagerly await seeing your youthful, artistic desktop layout. I posted my 'old guy, can't see small fonts' style in the MX18 screenshots, as have others.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:44 pm
by dolphin_oracle
just because a thing isn't obvious does not mean it can't be done.

the following will allow you to remove all the mx-tools. variations will allow you to remove individual tools as you see fit, just don't include those in the removal list.

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apt-get remove mx-apps mx-boot-options mx-bootrepair mx-cleanup mx-clocky mx-codecs mx-conky mx-conky-data mx-docs mx-idevice-mounter mx-iphone  mx-iso-template mx-live-usb-maker mx-menu-editor mx-network-assistant mx-packageinstaller  mx-packageinstaller-pkglist mx-remaster mx-remastercc mx-repo-list mx-repo-manager mx-select-sound mx-snapshot  mx-switchuser mx-system mx-system-sounds mx-timeset-gui mx-tools mx-tweak mx-tweak-data mx-usb-unmounter mx-user mx-viewer mx-welcome 
you should see something like this

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apt-get remove mx-apps mx-boot-options mx-bootrepair mx-cleanup mx-clocky mx-codecs mx-conky mx-conky-data mx-docs mx-idevice-mounter mx-iphone  mx-iso-template mx-live-usb-maker mx-menu-editor mx-network-assistant mx-packageinstaller  mx-packageinstaller-pkglist mx-remaster mx-remastercc mx-repo-list mx-repo-manager mx-select-sound mx-snapshot  mx-switchuser mx-system mx-system-sounds mx-timeset-gui mx-tools mx-tweak mx-tweak-data mx-usb-unmounter mx-user mx-viewer mx-welcome 

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  apt-transport-https bubblewrap ecryptfs-utils flatpak ideviceinstaller ifuse libappstream-glib8
  libecryptfs1 libgcab-1.0-0 libimobiledevice-utils libostree-1-1 libtspi1 libyaml-0-2 libzip4
  numix-icon-theme python-imobiledevice python-plist python-rsvg python3-pyqt5 python3-sip socat
  xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  mx-apps mx-boot-options mx-bootrepair mx-cleanup mx-clocky mx-codecs mx-conky mx-conky-data
  mx-docs mx-idevice-mounter mx-iphone mx-iso-template mx-live-usb-maker mx-menu-editor
  mx-network-assistant mx-packageinstaller mx-packageinstaller-pkglist mx-remaster mx-remastercc
  mx-repo-list mx-repo-manager mx-select-sound mx-snapshot mx-switchuser mx-system
  mx-system-sounds mx-timeset-gui mx-tools mx-tweak mx-tweak-data mx-usb-unmounter mx-user
  mx-viewer mx-welcome
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 34 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

which is hardly "everything" but it is alot of menu entries.

anything that shows as autoremovable after that can be made not autoremovable with

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apt-mark manual packagenames
where packagenames is a list of individual packages. I suggest copy and pasting from the autoremove list generated after removal of an app.

peace and love and Merry Christmas!

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:48 pm
by dphn
Hi,

you're right. Linux gives you the freedom. You have the choice. Use Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Manjaro, Arch... or MX. Or build your own system from scratch. Linux gives you the freedom, you can do what you want.

Maybe Xfce looks a little bit retro. I personally like it. My end-point of "distro-hopping" was MX and I'm very satisfied with it. Great work by the devs. For you choose another distro with Gnome, KDE. Find your themes, icon-sets, etc. Where is the problem?

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:57 pm
by manyroads
@dphn I have to say I, too, am a BIG fan of xfce4. As for the MXtools... also a BIG fan. And as for having the freedom & taking responsibility for tweaking my computing environments, I'm a HUGE fan. :number1:

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:28 pm
by Eadwine Rose
I remember having to change over from KDE to Xfce as Mepis "morphed" to MX.

It took a while to get used to, and there were a lot of things that I wanted that weren't there. But I learned to deal with it, and look at me now. I still know nada, I still need help with almost everything that I haven't jotted down, but hey..


My choice? Easy: stick with this team and whatever distro they make because they are the best :happy:

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:53 pm
by GuiGuy
Eadwine Rose wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:28 pm.........
.. stick with this team and whatever distro they make because they are the best :happy:
You can say that again - I would even shout it (but you would disallow that ;)).

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:58 pm
by Eadwine Rose
GuiGuy wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:53 pm
Eadwine Rose wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:28 pm.........
.. stick with this team and whatever distro they make because they are the best :happy:
You can say that again - I would even shout it (but you would disallow that ;)).
:laugh:
Well.. one sentence IN the post isn't that bad ;) Having to read an entire paragraph in all caps though.. oof!

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:42 pm
by Stevo
manyroads wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:41 pm Personally I eagerly await seeing your youthful, artistic desktop layout. I posted my 'old guy, can't see small fonts' style in the MX18 screenshots, as have others.
Besides tiny fonts, don't forget monochrome icons everywhere, and grey-on-grey text. Then it will be really modern.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:43 pm
by entropyfoe
freefreeno,

Icon and UI styles change, fads come and go. First it's 3d icons, then subtle 3d hinting, and bam- Apple or someone declares flat looking icons are the wave of the future !

If you don't like how your desk top looks, you have so many degrees of freedom... themes, icon sets, sizing, different desk top environments (like in antix iceWM, Fluxbox, JWM and permutations).
It's open source, there are lots of options, and as written above, it takes some digging, to find the options, the scripts, where you can make things look just about any way you want.

If you search in xfce forums, you can see other options.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:46 pm
by Stevo
We also support users modifying MX however they like and making their own distro from it. Snapshot! Archive.org makes distributing it quite easy. Then the marketplace can decide!

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:47 pm
by megatotoro
Honestly, I haven't found any more freedom than in here, not to mention the great devs and community that are always willing to help. With MX I can do anything I want, from changing its appearance (not a fan of flat icons and not very fond of XFCE) to actually create a snapshot of the system adjusted the way I like it. Other distros have been removing features but MX is consistently making choices easier to handle without taking them away. From my perspective, that shows how much devs are committed to the user's freedom; I am deeply thankful for that.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:50 pm
by Richard
I think we've been trolled. :)
The OP seems to have ducked and run?

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:11 pm
by Jerry3904
That's my suspicion as well, though he has made more than 50 posts on the Forum.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:14 pm
by Richard
Bought out some good comments, though.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:15 pm
by asqwerth
Well, the prettification of this distro is a gradual process.
We are improving all the time but certainly there is still some way to go . I like that there are targets and milestones to aim for.

And people with artistic abilities who can create nice icons for the MX apps are always welcome to contribute them to the community.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:24 pm
by Mauser
Jerry3904 wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:11 pm That's my suspicion as well, though he has made more than 50 posts on the Forum.
I think you are correct. I bet it's a distro that doesn't have the configurability that MX Linux has. We all have our own tastes that at least with MX Linux you can configure it, theme it, and even chose other desktop environments to your liking. We can see this in the Screen Shot forum thread. Even someone like me that is command line illiterate can configure and theme MX Linux to what ever I like.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:52 pm
by Richard
I'm still more interested in what it does than how it looks.
I like that it looks nice, and I appreciate that it is a part of the attraction.

I think the MX art team has done a great job in polishing the jewel that is MX.
Remember, art is in the eye of the beholder --you only need to satisfy yourself.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:57 pm
by fehlix
Mauser wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:24 pm ... command line illiterate ...
Thanks for this phrase - I like it :cool: ... :snail:

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:01 pm
by Mauser
fehlix wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:57 pm
Mauser wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:24 pm ... command line illiterate ...
Thanks for this phrase - I like it :cool: ... :snail:
:happy: Your welcome. :wink:

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:04 pm
by Artim
I always change a few of the defaults, and I imagine most people do. I like my launchers in a panel on the bottom of the screen (I don't have a wide screen where it makes better sense to have it on the left or right), change the Conky or turn it off, depending on what wallpaper I'm using at the time, add an analog clock and weather widget to the top notification panel, use a different and larger font in the windows and stuff, and I love the customizability of Xfce4! I want my desktop to look nothing like Windows in any way. MX has become the end of all my distro-hopping.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:55 pm
by Eggnog
One of the many, many things I like about MX is that it uses Xfce. When I'm surfing various forums I keep seeing posters here and there say they want something more "modern" than Xfce and something that is constantly "being worked on" (which often introduces the dreaded term "broken").

Xfce is stable. It is highly customizable. It doesn't need to be constantly tinkered with. Not only that, it is just about THE preferred desktop environment for ricers. A poll was done some time ago on r/unixporn and many were surprised to learn that Xfce was the overwhelming DE of choice for many of the ricers, including the top ricers, and that those DEs they're gawking over are Xfce. Why? Because Xfce is highly customizable. Gnome? Hardly. Plasma? Maybe a little.

So, yeah. Xfce is freedom. MX is freedom. Linux is freedom. It all adds up to freedom.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:16 pm
by manyroads
I am always saddened when people think that freedom is doing things their way.... my freedom and your freedom is when we can do things as we find most useful, pleasant, fun, whatever.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:09 am
by BitJam
Stevo wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:46 pm We also support users modifying MX however they like and making their own distro from it. Snapshot!
Exactly! With live-remaster and snapshot we have tried to make it as easy as possible for people to roll their own distro starting with MX or any of the antiX flavours. On top of that, we make our build-iso system available which people can use and have used to make their own distro. The music aficionado Eino (who I believe is no longer with us) used it to make his own music oriented version of antiX. In addition to the tremendous work of anticapitalista and many others, the build-iso system allowed the antiX devs to jump in and help get the first version of MX out the door in just a few months.

@freefreeno, If you dislike the MX specific tools, you do have a choice. For your own customized version of Linux just start with antiX-core, antiX-base, or antiX-full instead. In the antiX forums we have always recommended that you start with a smaller system and add things you want rather that start with a larger system and try to remove things you don't want. When you consider MX together with our sister distro antiX, you have a staggering amount of choice for making a custom Debian-based system tweaked exactly how you want it in a form that is easy to distribute to others. We've put in a tremendous amount of effort over almost a decade to make it as easy and convenient as possible for people to create their own version of Linux. It took a lot of hard work behind the scenes to make it so easy.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:05 am
by aledie
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BitJam wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:09 am
@freefreeno, If you dislike the MX specific tools, you do have a choice.
This is "freedom", right.
But actually i guess, freedom is an illusion in the real world, we are human and bound by many rules of the society, and our own values (even animals do)... The closest to freedom would be anarchy. We are as free as we stay within the allowed framework.
He gets it too such as his handle "freefreeNO"

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:11 am
by dreamer
BitJam wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:09 am Exactly! With live-remaster and snapshot we have tried to make it as easy as possible for people to roll their own distro starting with MX or any of the antiX flavours. On top of that, we make our build-iso system available which people can use and have used to make their own distro. The music aficionado Eino (who I believe is no longer with us) used it to make his own music oriented version of antiX. In addition to the tremendous work of anticapitalista and many others, the build-iso system allowed the antiX devs to jump in and help get the first version of MX out the door in just a few months.

@freefreeno, If you dislike the MX specific tools, you do have a choice. For your own customized version of Linux just start with antiX-core, antiX-base, or antiX-full instead. In the antiX forums we have always recommended that you start with a smaller system and add things you want rather that start with a larger system and try to remove things you don't want. When you consider MX together with our sister distro antiX, you have a staggering amount of choice for making a custom Debian-based system tweaked exactly how you want it in a form that is easy to distribute to others. We've put in a tremendous amount of effort over almost a decade to make it as easy and convenient as possible for people to create their own version of Linux. It took a lot of hard work behind the scenes to make it so easy.
Excellent post. :number1:

MX Linux has some excellent tools. And rock solid boot/shut down experience. Good memory management. After the systemd shock MX Linux was exactly what I needed. It gave me back faith in Linux on the desktop. The Linux DEs are pretty good, especially Xfce.

I spent 500 hours this year tweaking MX-17 and apps. I have 80+ pages of notes, mostly info gathered from this forum. This forum is the best distro forum. MX Linux works and when there is a problem the developers usually know what is wrong. There has been so much guesswork in the Linux community since pulseaudio/plymouth/systemd were introduced. In my book those technologies are far behind Windows and Mac. GTK3 and Wayland put desktop Linux even further behind. Lennart Poettering might be the world's most talented software developer, but I think pulseaudio and systemd managed to hurt desktop Linux a lot. There's probably a reason why Google stays away from those technologies.

Look at Win32. Microsoft doesn't care that much about it anymore. It has 10-15 years of backwards compatibility and HiDPI support (if application dev updates the app). GTK3 has maybe 2 years of backwards compatibility and only support 2x scaling.

Linux is a challenge (like everything else in life). People including myself search for freedom. Then realize that freedom is a lot of work. You gain some, lose some. When MX-18 packages found their way into the MX-17 repo (that Windows 10 feeling ;) ) I didn't feel like troubleshooting the Iris app so I started using Windows (LTSC) and felt good about it. It reminds me of the years I used Windows 7 just to avoid pulseaudio.

It's all about personal preferences. What I want to say is that no matter how much work goes into MX Linux there will always be people who prefer something else, people who think things should be done differently. I think the default look of MX Linux is good, better than the latest release of Linux Mint for example. I also think the MX tools are excellent. Without MX Linux I wouldn't use Linux in a "serious" way. Maybe I would use PCLOS just for fun. I would use Windows or if Microsoft becomes too annoying last resort would be a Mac. I think freefreeno's opinions are just as valid as anyone else's. What's even more important is that he was shown how to remove the MX tools. And replacing the icons shouldn't be that hard if their location is disclosed. /usr/share/icons or /usr/share/pixmaps maybe. ANGRYsearch (yes that's the name) should be able to locate those icons.

Merry Christmas everybody, it was a good year for MX Linux and well earned success. :popcorn:

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:28 am
by Eadwine Rose
dreamer wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:11 am I spent 500 hours this year tweaking MX-17 and apps. I have 80+ pages of notes, mostly info gathered from this forum.

80+... and here I thought I had a lot with the 25 :laugh:

Happy holidays!

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:48 pm
by rasat
My pre-installed /home doesn't show how a fresh install looks, so I did a fresh install on an old machine. Curious about the "crap" looking icons and appearance, mentioned here. With previous versions, I also didn't like. But MX 18 is beautiful. And with minor personal config change (breeze icon and semi transparent horizontal panel). Great work!!! ... including boot speed, splash and lightdm.
http://amurt.ro/download/mx18-fresh-ins ... -panel.jpg

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:27 pm
by uncle mark
freefreeno wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:52 am I just wan to say that I love the how mx works . There that is out of the way. The Distro works great but looks like it was designed by well someone who maybe like windows 2000.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Windows 2000 was the last MSFT OS I ran (by choice), and I thought it was their best work, by far.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:34 am
by freefreeno
You say that like it's a bad thing. Windows 2000 was the last MSFT OS I ran (by choice), and I thought it was their best work, by far.
It is not a bad thing if your only wanting certain people using the OS but the younger people don't and never will like that look. Sure you might find one out 100 but not many. Another opinon of mine is you don't have to change much inner workers in major updates but the looks always need to evolve as in get better.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:52 am
by Buck Fankers
freefreeno wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:34 am but the younger people don't and never will like that look.
100 people may have 100 opinions.

Show us what is beautiful in your eyes. Set it up per your liking, create snapshot and share, show us.

Btw, what are the odds that of 100 people seeing your product, few may not like it?

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:47 am
by freefreeno
Point blank all I said was the 2 things. You can't remove what you want from the Distro and the MX icons don't looks good and that the REASON THEY DON'T LOOK GOOD IS BECAUSE MOST ICONS THEMES DO NOT INCLUDE ICONS FOR MX APPS so therefore when you add icons you are left with 3 to 6 icons that are stock and it throws the whole thing off. Your right about opinions and you ask for people to share and then don't like it when they do. Don't make me look like the bad guy when all I did was share my opinion and as far as screen shots I will be back with some. Don't get your ------ in a wod its Christmas. I do believe the first thing I said was that the Distro was great and then I shared an opinion. Now I do not not and never will like being forced to keep stuff on a PC that I do not use. I even offered up the idea of using two iso's so us that don't like stuff on there could add what we wanted after installation but that Idea was shut down because they say I can customize the usb with persistance and then install and I tried that but you still cant remove ANY MX apps because you try one and there goes all of them. Merry Christmas. I will show some screen shots of what I am using now.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:54 am
by dolphin_oracle
freefreeno wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:47 am Point blank all I said was the 2 things. You can't remove what you want from the Distro and the MX icons don't looks good and that the REASON THEY DON'T LOOK GOOD IS BECAUSE MOST ICONS THEMES DO NOT INCLUDE ICONS FOR MX APPS so therefore when you add icons you are left with 3 to 6 icons that are stock and it throws the whole thing off. Your right about opinions and you ask for people to share and then don't like it when they do. Don't make me look like the bad guy when all I did was share my opinion and as far as screen shots I will be back with some. Don't get your ------ in a wod its Christmas. I do believe the first thing I said was that the Distro was great and then I shared an opinion. Now I do not not and never will like being forced to keep stuff on a PC that I do not use. I even offered up the idea of using two iso's so us that don't like stuff on there could add what we wanted after installation but that Idea was shut down because they say I can customize the usb with persistance and then install and I tried that but you still cant remove ANY MX apps because you try one and there goes all of them. Merry Christmas. I will show some screen shots of what I am using now.
you good, people just love talking about freedom!

Merry Christmas!

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:14 am
by Adrian
but you still cant remove ANY MX apps because you try one and there goes all of them
That seems incorrect, if you remove a MX app it might remove a mx-apps metapackage, but it will not remove all the apps. What MX app do you want to remove? I'm asking to check if there's an error in dependency list...

(It would also be nice if people would not pile up and let the OP respond to questions...)

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:27 am
by Redacted
I'm sorry, Adrian. But when I see stuff like
The future of Linux is with the younger people and the younger people do not want something that was designed like a year 2000 PC
and
The icons you use for mx applications well they are ugly as all get out and nearly everyone of them looks out of place and make the rest look like crap
it irritates me to no end.
I'm the last thing from politically correct, but I am 62 and would appreciate a little respect for my opinions.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:32 pm
by Eggnog
Eh, OP had to be trolling. We are all dumber for having read it. I award him no points.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:12 pm
by wulf
I don't think the guy is trolling, but a quick Google will show that he moved to Antergos last week. Well, I haven't tried removing MX tools, but looking through the package manager, it seems as though you have the option to uninstall individual tools in theory. As for the Icon appearance, I've had no trouble customising the heck out of MX. I used Adwaita dark theme, with Adwaita Icons, but I replaced some of those by right clicking on an application Icon, selecting properties, and pointing it to an Icon of my own design, and it then displays that, instead, when I launch the whisker menu and shows the Icon on the panel when I drag it onto there. Once I have the system looking how I like it, I do a snapshot and burn it to a USB stick. As long as those icons are stored somewhere in the home folder and you select "preserve home" when reinstalling from the snapshot, things should stay the same. ..Here is one example of a self made Icon I just knocked-up in Pinta for the whisker menu button as an example. Graphically, nothing special, but containing a few subtle references of homage to the Mepis origin. Of course, you can also download an image of choice and use that as an icon as long as it will scale ok to 48x48 or 50x50 pixels. One application I don't use, ( or maybe I do, but not consciously), is Image Magick. Now that really does have a horrible GUI, ( in my opinion ),and looks like something from Windows 95 era. Good luck in trying to remove that without breaking your system as it appears to have multiple hooks.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:33 pm
by timkb4cq
But the imagemagick libraries are very versatile and efficient so a bunch of applications depend on them. Libreoffice, Calibre, Fotoxx, mozplugger, gscan2pdf, inkscape just to list a few. Just because its GUI isn't very good doesn't mean it's not useful.

And if people want to submit icons for the various MX-Tools consistent with other theme-sets that we package we'll be glad to consider adding them.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:29 pm
by wulf
timkb4cq wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:33 pm But the imagemagick libraries are very versatile and efficient so a bunch of applications depend on them. Libreoffice, Calibre, Fotoxx, mozplugger, gscan2pdf, inkscape just to list a few. Just because its GUI isn't very good doesn't mean it's not useful.

And if people want to submit icons for the various MX-Tools consistent with other theme-sets that we package we'll be glad to consider adding them.
I kinda guessed that might be the case with ImageMagick. I cited it as the only gui/icon example that I could agree about with the op. Aside from the tweaks I make to personalise the look of my desktop, I'm entirely happy with the overall appearance and performance of MX. It's a great Job you folks did. Thanks

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:44 pm
by asqwerth
if people want to submit icons for the various MX-Tools consistent with other theme-sets that we package we'll be glad to consider adding them.
Another way is to make requests of the devs of a particular icon set you like. Eg Eric Dubois and his Sardi sets has done it of his own accord , or the first dev who ever did this, ZMA, from around the time of mx16.

ZMA started symlinking some of his already existing icons to appropriate mx apps when mx-tweaks was still called mx-defaultlooks.

That of course means though that you don't get original artwork for the MX-Tools or mx-tweaks icons, just generic "tools" or "tweaks" icons. But they would match the icon set that is applied.

If you would like icons that are specific to these mx apps, make specific requests of the icon devs, or create your own and offer them to the dev or this community.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:35 pm
by skidoo
One application I don't use, ( or maybe I do, but not consciously), is Image Magick. Now that really does have a horrible GUI
AFAIK, imagemagick has no gui. If you are referring to "graphicsmagick", uninstalling that should be no problem ~~ not much depends on it, aside from "webmagick" (which you'll probably never choose to install).

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:30 am
by azrielle
Methinks what he REALLY wants is an "MX-base" distro, probably with KDE enabled instead of Xfce, and not much else, and an MX-PI subcategory of the individual tools and applications, so that one can cherry pick them after installation. Which seems like a lot more work for the unpaid MX Dev Team, for a VERY marginal return on "investment".

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:32 am
by Adrian
Adrian wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:14 am
but you still cant remove ANY MX apps because you try one and there goes all of them
That seems incorrect, if you remove a MX app it might remove a mx-apps metapackage, but it will not remove all the apps. What MX app do you want to remove? I'm asking to check if there's an error in dependency list...

(It would also be nice if people would not pile up and let the OP respond to questions...)
I'm waiting for a response.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:17 pm
by Stevo
Don't hold your breath, as I'm pretty sure that statement is dead wrong.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:29 pm
by clicktician
skidoo wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:35 pm
One application I don't use, ( or maybe I do, but not consciously), is Image Magick. Now that really does have a horrible GUI
AFAIK, imagemagick has no gui. If you are referring to "graphicsmagick", uninstalling that should be no problem ~~ not much depends on it, aside from "webmagick" (which you'll probably never choose to install).
It doesn't?

This is my launcher for imagemagic "/usr/bin/display-im6.q16 -nostdin %F". Is that graphicsmagic? (A sincere question).

When it launches, you right-click to summon the context menu, and it is that ancient Xwin decor that I used to think was cool back in my Sun Workstation days.
Huh. I don't have graphicsmagic installed, so I don't know where that UI could be coming from.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:09 pm
by sunrat
clicktician wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:29 pmThis is my launcher for imagemagic "/usr/bin/display-im6.q16 -nostdin %F". Is that graphicsmagic? (A sincere question).
display is the image viewer command for ImageMagick, a single command among the many IM functions. It is not a GUI for IM as it doesn't facilitate any processing of the displayed image.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:12 pm
by skidoo
clicktician, you're right. That's probably the "ugly gui" s/he mentioned.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:37 am
by malspa
dolphin_oracle wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:44 pm just because a thing isn't obvious does not mean it can't be done.

the following will allow you to remove all the mx-tools. variations will allow you to remove individual tools as you see fit, just don't include those in the removal list.

Code: Select all

apt-get remove mx-apps mx-boot-options mx-bootrepair mx-cleanup mx-clocky mx-codecs mx-conky mx-conky-data mx-docs mx-idevice-mounter mx-iphone  mx-iso-template mx-live-usb-maker mx-menu-editor mx-network-assistant mx-packageinstaller  mx-packageinstaller-pkglist mx-remaster mx-remastercc mx-repo-list mx-repo-manager mx-select-sound mx-snapshot  mx-switchuser mx-system mx-system-sounds mx-timeset-gui mx-tools mx-tweak mx-tweak-data mx-usb-unmounter mx-user mx-viewer mx-welcome 
Thanks. Experimenting, I tried this in a live session. I like the cleaner menus! However, while I rarely use the MX Tools, I do prefer to have them all available.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:15 am
by clicktician
sunrat wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:09 pm
clicktician wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:29 pmThis is my launcher for imagemagic "/usr/bin/display-im6.q16 -nostdin %F". Is that graphicsmagic? (A sincere question).
display is the image viewer command for ImageMagick, a single command among the many IM functions. It is not a GUI for IM as it doesn't facilitate any processing of the displayed image.
Thanks. Yeah, it just does zooming and such. It's not useful, but I thought my MX install needed it for something.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:38 am
by gimcrack
Eadwine Rose wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:28 pm and there were a lot of things that I wanted that weren't there.
Like what? Linux is highly customizable. What ever is missing it's usually doable. Been using Linux for 15 years, so I'm very familiar with Linux.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:45 am
by Jerry3904
So is Eadwine...

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:54 am
by Eadwine Rose
gimcrack wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:38 am
Eadwine Rose wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:28 pm and there were a lot of things that I wanted that weren't there.
Like what? Linux is highly customizable. What ever is missing it's usually doable. Been using Linux for 15 years, so I'm very familiar with Linux.
Well.. it's been quite a few years since the switch from KDE to XFCE, so I want no longer ;)

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:56 am
by Eadwine Rose
Jerry3904 wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:45 am So is Eadwine...
*chuckle* Yep.

13 years on the forum, and I believe I started using Mepis in... lemme think.. 2004 or 2005.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:58 am
by richb
Eadwine Rose wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:56 am
Jerry3904 wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:45 am So is Eadwine...
*chuckle* Yep.

13 years on the forum, and I believe I started using Mepis in... lemme think.. 2004 or 2005.
When I moved from Xandros to Mepis and checked out the Forum, that was hosted on the Mepis website before Mepislovers Forum, Eadwine was one one the first members who I paid attention to. And that has not changed.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:59 am
by Eadwine Rose
And boy did some people hate me back then hahaha.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:20 am
by Paul..
Eadwine Rose wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:59 am And boy did some people hate me back then hahaha.
Too many questions, I'm sure...(or as Emperor Ferdinand? said of Mozart..."Too many notes...")

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:24 am
by Redacted
Eadwine Rose wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:59 am And boy did some people hate me back then hahaha.
Hard to believe.
You're one of those rare people on forums who command affectionate respect.
You're much appreciated.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:26 am
by Jerry3904
When I moved from Xandros to Mepis and checked out the Forum, that was hosted on the Mepis website before Mepislovers Forum, Eadwine was one one the first members who I paid attention to. And that has not changed.
Ditto that. She had a list of Mepis tips that I used extensively in the beginning (plus pictures of her sewing projects IIRC).

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:29 am
by Eadwine Rose
Aww maaan.. :blush:

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:31 am
by Eadwine Rose
Mind.. that list has grown to about 23 pages!!

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:32 am
by richb
Eadwine Rose wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:31 am Mind.. that list has grown to about 23 pages!!
And you used to be able to see a version of it on your website. Can you still?

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:35 am
by Eadwine Rose
Nope.. I no longer have the site.. however.. I CAN put up a topic and weed out the little tips and tricks from my personal install prefs. I'll put that in a separate topic.

No clue how much is still current.. I deleted a lot that was outdated and added new stuff. Lots of things are no longer needed in MX18, but I kept them around for those just in case scenarios :)

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:24 am
by Eadwine Rose
https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php ... 45#p475881

Here is the list! Personal stuff not important has been taken out.

I locked the topic, because questions about things should be asked elsewhere.. it is just a little list with my notes in there. :)

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:32 am
by Jerry3904
Lots of useful stuff in there. Like any garden it probably needs some weeding...before we put it into the Wiki.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:34 am
by Eadwine Rose
Feel free to grab anything you may need, take the weeds out, and use it!

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:42 am
by manyroads
I like what you have there @Eadwine Rose :happy: , I have a similar set of help aids in a Desktop Wiki (I use ZimWiki).

That brings me an idea, I know, I promised not to have any more of those. :footinmouth: Has anyone considered taking the MX Wiki and creating a Desktop installable version using ZimWiki? That way, people could have a personal version of MX help immediately at hand. :eek:

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:18 pm
by Jerry3904
Nope, but if someone has time to look into it that would be great. Can a dynamic link be set up to keep abreast of additions and changes?

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:40 pm
by manyroads
@Jerry3094 Depending on how you want to do it, I think the answer is yes; updates (a connection) could be made available. Here is one approach: https://pvanb.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/ ... -notebook/

Here are a few other options:
http://zim-wiki.org/manual/Help/Export.html
http://zim-wiki.org/manual/Help/Importi ... files.html

Another thought is a simple manually selected export from the site (or perhaps even an auto-update from MX) to a defined location on an installed MX install to a location like /usr/share/notes of the base MX wiki notes; this could be user selectable from MX Tools, as an upload and over-write function.

The bottom line is yes... something is doable. We just need to determine what seems most appropriate.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:21 pm
by gimcrack
Eadwine Rose wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:54 am
gimcrack wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:38 am
Eadwine Rose wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:28 pm and there were a lot of things that I wanted that weren't there.
Like what? Linux is highly customizable. What ever is missing it's usually doable. Been using Linux for 15 years, so I'm very familiar with Linux.
Well.. it's been quite a few years since the switch from KDE to XFCE, so I want no longer ;)
The only KDE Application I take with me is k3b. It's just to good of a Application to abandon it. Yes, I have to install some KDE libraries to install k3b. But it's always worth it. I even like Pluma the text editor. Sometime I install that as well. But that's from the MATE DE.

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:26 pm
by Eadwine Rose
Yes k3b was very nice, but I just burn a dvd so.. the default burning software is fine :)


The one I was missing was knewsticker. Tickr solved that one :)

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:28 pm
by Adrian
KRDC and Kate are also nice...

Re: Freedom is the key to success with any distro

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:26 pm
by Gordon Cooper
k3b and Okular are added to MX here.

Edit: and Lyx