Yes, about all that old Windows 10 hardware.....

[DukeComposed]

What? I'm not talking about anything past like, say, 2001.

People didn't change their OS on their PC because for the longest time, besides maybe Vista, they didn't NEED to.

So no computer ever needed security and feature updates before Windows XP, except for six years later when the first OS replacement for XP was made available, and then nothing since. Got it.

[rokytnji.1]

Posting from one <ebay> now. Cost was 71 bucks with free shipping. 256 GB ssd with Windows 10. Yanked it out. Inserted 1 TB SSD replacement SSD.
Dual boots MX Fluxbox 23.1 and AntiX 23.1 runit Full .
Battery sucked <dead>. Ordered 9 cell for 20 bucks. Have a old T430 battery in here presently that holds a charge for about 50 minutes
Added ram .DDr3 I had extra.

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rok@23.1runit:~
$ inxi -Zv8
System:
  Host: 23.1runit Kernel: 6.1.60-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 clocksource: tsc available: hpet,acpi_pm
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.60-antix.1-amd64-smp
    root=UUID=a3726b00-fccc-4b06-9a3b-e61cb8d3d997 ro quiet selinux=0
  Desktop: IceWM v: 3.4.5 dm: slimski v: 1.5.0
    Distro: antiX-23.1-runit_x64-full Arditi del Popolo 6 November 2023
    base: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 2429J62 v: ThinkPad T530
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: 2429J62 serial: <superuser required>
    UEFI-[Legacy]: LENOVO v: G4ET62WW (2.04 ) date: 09/13/2012
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 5.7 Wh (78.1%) condition: 7.3/56.2 Wh (13.0%)
    power: 4.0 W volts: 12.4 min: 10.8 model: SANYO 45N1001 type: Li-ion
    serial: 5047 status: charging
Memory:
  System RAM: total: 12 GiB note: est. available: 11.39 GiB
    used: 1.25 GiB (11.0%)
  RAM Report: permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges
    required.
PCI Slots:
  Permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required.
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core i5-3360M bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Ivy Bridge
    gen: core 3 level: v2 built: 2012-15 process: Intel 22nm family: 6
    model-id: 0x3A (58) stepping: 9 microcode: 0x21
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 tpc: 2 threads: 4 smt: enabled cache:
    L1: 128 KiB desc: d-2x32 KiB; i-2x32 KiB L2: 512 KiB desc: 2x256 KiB
    L3: 3 MiB desc: 1x3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1197 min/max: 1200/3500 scaling: driver: intel_cpufreq
    governor: schedutil cores: 1: 1197 2: 1197 3: 1197 4: 1197 bogomips: 22349
  Flags: acpi aes aperfmperf apic arat arch_perfmon avx bts clflush cmov
    constant_tsc cpuid cpuid_fault cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts epb
    erms est f16c flush_l1d fpu fsgsbase fxsr ht ibpb ibrs ida lahf_lm lm mca
    mce md_clear mmx monitor msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx pae pat pbe pcid
    pclmulqdq pdcm pebs pge pln pni popcnt pse pse36 pti pts rdrand rdtscp
    rep_good sep smep smx ss ssbd sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 stibp syscall
    tm tm2 tsc tsc_deadline_timer vme x2apic xsave xsaveopt xtopology xtpr
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX unsupported
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion
  Type: mds mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Unknown: No mitigations
  Type: retbleed status: Not affected
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via
    prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
    sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, IBPB: conditional, IBRS_FW,
    STIBP: conditional, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Vulnerable: No microcode
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics vendor: Lenovo driver: i915
    v: kernel arch: Gen-7 process: Intel 22nm built: 2012-13 ports:
    active: LVDS-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2, DP-3, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2, HDMI-A-3,
    VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0166 class-ID: 0300
  Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: intel dri: crocus
    gpu: i915 display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1366x768 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 361x203mm (14.21x7.99")
    s-diag: 414mm (16.31")
  Monitor-1: LVDS-1 mapped: LVDS1 model: Seiko Epson 0x3152 built: 2010
    res: 1366x768 hz: 60 dpi: 101 gamma: 1.2 chroma: red: x: 0.620 y: 0.341
    green: x: 0.329 y: 0.573 blue: x: 0.149 y: 0.059 white: x: 0.314 y: 0.329
    size: 344x194mm (13.54x7.64") diag: 395mm (15.5") ratio: 16:9
    modes: 1366x768
  API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel crocus platforms: device: 0 drv: crocus
    device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: crocus surfaceless: drv: crocus x11:
    drv: crocus inactive: wayland
  API: OpenGL v: 4.2 vendor: intel mesa v: 22.3.6 glx-v: 1.4 es-v: 3.0
    direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4000 (IVB GT2)
    device-ID: 8086:0166 memory: 1.46 GiB unified: yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio vendor: Lenovo 7
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:1e20
    class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.1.60-antix.1-amd64-smp status: kernel-api with: apulse
    type: pulse-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.3 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse
    status: active 2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
    4: pw-jack type: plugin tools: pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network vendor: Lenovo driver: e1000e
    v: kernel port: 5060 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:1502 class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth1 state: down mac: 3c:97:0e:44:c3:0a
  Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi
    v: kernel modules: wl pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 03:00.0
    chip-ID: 8086:0085 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlan1 state: up mac: 60:67:20:b5:d2:38
  IP v4: 192.168.254.88/24 scope: global broadcast: 192.168.254.255
  IP v6: fe80::6267:20ff:feb5:d238/64 scope: link
  WAN IP: 98.18.171.140
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Broadcom BCM20702 Bluetooth 4.0 [ThinkPad] driver: btusb v: 0.8
    type: USB rev: 2.0 speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 1.1 bus-ID: 1-1.4:3
    chip-ID: 0a5c:21e6 class-ID: fe01 serial: 74E54397196C
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 2 state: up address: 74:E5:43:97:19:6C
    bt-v: 4.0 lmp-v: 6 sub-v: 220e hci-v: 6 rev: 1000 class-ID: 6c010c
  Info: acl-mtu: 1021:8 sco-mtu: 64:1 link-policy: rswitch sniff
    link-mode: peripheral accept service-classes: rendering, capturing, audio,
    telephony
Logical:
  Message: No logical block device data found.
RAID:
  Message: No RAID data found.
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 931.51 GiB used: 32.42 GiB (3.5%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Western Digital
    model: WD Blue SA510 2.5 1TB size: 931.51 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: SSD serial: 234249801832 fw-rev: 6100
    scheme: MBR
  Optical-1: /dev/sr0 vendor: Optiarc model: DVD RW AD-7740H rev: 1.S1
    dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw
  Features: speed: 24 multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes
    rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 97.66 GiB size: 95.56 GiB (97.86%) used: 32.42 GiB (33.9%)
    fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1 label: rootantiX23
    uuid: a3726b00-fccc-4b06-9a3b-e61cb8d3d997
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 10 (default 60) cache-pressure: 50 (default 100)
    zswap: no
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 3 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2
    file: /swap/swap
Unmounted:
  ID-1: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2 size: 1 KiB fs: <superuser required> label: N/A
    uuid: N/A
  ID-2: /dev/sda5 maj-min: 8:5 size: 97.66 GiB fs: ext4 label: rootMX23
    uuid: 6e9530ad-53f5-4141-ad24-93c4303b318f
  ID-3: /dev/sda6 maj-min: 8:6 size: 97.66 GiB fs: <superuser required>
    label: N/A uuid: N/A
USB:
  Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: full speed or root hub ports: 3 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
    class-ID: 0900
  Hub-2: 1-1:2 info: Intel Integrated Rate Matching Hub ports: 6 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 8087:0024
    class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 1-1.4:3 info: Broadcom BCM20702 Bluetooth 4.0 [ThinkPad]
    type: Bluetooth driver: btusb interfaces: 4 rev: 2.0
    speed: 12 Mb/s (1.4 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 1.1 chip-ID: 0a5c:21e6
    class-ID: fe01 serial: 74E54397196C
  Hub-3: 2-0:1 info: full speed or root hub ports: 3 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
    class-ID: 0900
  Hub-4: 2-1:2 info: Intel Integrated Rate Matching Hub ports: 8 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 8087:0024
    class-ID: 0900
  Hub-5: 3-0:1 info: hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 4 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
    class-ID: 0900
  Hub-6: 4-0:1 info: super-speed hub ports: 4 rev: 3.0
    speed: 5 Gb/s (596.0 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 chip-ID: 1d6b:0003
    class-ID: 0900
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 46.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (rpm): fan-1: 2739
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1732 libs: 805 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,synaptic
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
    1: deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/antix-archive-keyring.gpg] http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/antix/bookworm bookworm main nonfree nosystemd
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bookworm-backports.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/ bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/librewolf.list
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/liquorix.list
Processes:
  CPU top: 5 of 177
  1: cpu: 24.3% command: firefox-esr pid: 8026 mem: 539.8 MiB (4.6%)
  2: cpu: 8.9% command: firefox-esr pid: 8355 mem: 184.9 MiB (1.5%)
  3: cpu: 3.1% command: xorg pid: 1902 mem: 82.9 MiB (0.7%)
  4: cpu: 2.5% command: firefox-esr pid: 8162 mem: 159.1 MiB (1.3%)
  5: cpu: 2.0% command: firefox-esr pid: 8420 mem: 191.9 MiB (1.6%)
  Memory top: 5 of 177
  1: mem: 539.8 MiB (4.6%) command: firefox-esr pid: 8026 cpu: 24.3%
  2: mem: 191.9 MiB (1.6%) command: firefox-esr pid: 8420 cpu: 2.0%
  3: mem: 184.9 MiB (1.5%) command: firefox-esr pid: 8355 cpu: 8.9%
  4: mem: 159.1 MiB (1.3%) command: firefox-esr pid: 8162 cpu: 2.5%
  5: mem: 124.4 MiB (1.0%) command: firefox-esr pid: 8103 cpu: 0.6%
Info:
  Processes: 177 Uptime: 34m wakeups: 0 Init: runit v: N/A runlevel: 2
  tool: service Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12 Shell: Bash v: 5.2.15
  running-in: roxterm inxi: 3.3.31
rok@23.1runit:~
$ 

I stayed under my 100 dollar limit when it comes to computer gear. The ram and TB hard drive came out of broken gear. Just sitting on the shelf. Doing nada.
Used to get these things cheaper months ago.
Like a Samsung EOL Stumpy Chromebox only used to build chrome apps supposedly for 12 bucks < working>.
Have one of those on the shelf also.
Cheaper than a PI setup once I jumper out the bios pins and do the Mr. Chromebox install.

[Arnox]

So no computer ever needed security and feature updates before Windows XP

Ok, man... You need to work on your reading comprehension. I didn't say PCs NEVER ever needed to update. I said that it was a lot LESS important due to the fact that there were a lot more offline and isolated systems back then. Obviously as long as the internet was around, there were exceptions. Stop taking one phrase of my post and then pulling it completely out of the rest of the context.

[DukeComposed]

I didn't say PCs NEVER ever needed to update. I said that it was a lot LESS important due to the fact that there were a lot more offline and isolated systems back then.

No, you're totally right. I see what you're saying now. Computers were much more secure back in the era when you stuck them in the corner of the room and they only ran software you fed them from safe, secure floppy diskettes. Windows is bad because Microsoft allowed the Internet to happen circa 1995, which, of course, is before Windows XP, which you and I both agree is The Last Good Operating System.

Certainly, viruses never propagated through any other means before TCP/IP became commonplace. Thanks for clearing that up.