MX Linux Forum

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:40 pm**

Both my MX Linux 18.3 and 19.2 versions show that I have Thunderbird 68.12.0. I believe that Thunderbird is now available in v. 78.3.2.
Do I have to be patient and wait till MX Updater proposes the new version, or am I left to my own devices in finding a way to update Thunderbird?

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:53 pm**

Just install it as a flatpak, it is v78.3.2
You can also upgrade.

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:56 pm**

Is there a specific reason you need that newer version?

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:57 pm**

Sparky wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:53 pm Just install it as a flatpak, it is v78.3.2
You can also upgrade.

Is Thunderbird not maintained by the MX Updater? Just out of curiosity...

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:58 pm**

tb75252 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:57 pm
Sparky wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:53 pm Just install it as a flatpak, it is v78.3.2
You can also upgrade.
Is Thunderbird not maintained by the MX Updater? Just out of curiosity...

It is in the repos, but as you've noticed it isn't the latest version

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:02 pm**

Eadwine Rose wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:56 pm Is there a specific reason you need that newer version?

The compose window is better. I have v. 78 installed on a Microsoft Windows PC and it also seem to be faster, particularly the Usenet newsreader.
But I supposed I could live with v. 68, too...

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:03 pm**

Sparky wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:58 pm
tb75252 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:57 pm
Sparky wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:53 pm Just install it as a flatpak, it is v78.3.2
You can also upgrade.
Is Thunderbird not maintained by the MX Updater? Just out of curiosity...
It is in the repos, but as you've noticed it isn't the latest version

Do you know if MX Linux has plans to post a newer version in the repos?

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:08 pm**

You can file an official request and see if someone wishes to do it. You can do that in the package requests forum.

viewforum.php?f=140

Please read the sticky.

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:11 pm**

I see there actually is a version 78 in the Debian security repo, but the mx repo uses a so-called 'epoch' to overrule that and have version 68 as the preferred version anyway (version 2:68.12.0-1mx19+1 in mx repo versus 1:78.3.1-2~deb10u2 in Debian security repo). So I'm guessing the MX repo team has (or had) a good reason to prefer version 68. I would wait for someone more knowledgeable to chime in on that.

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:20 pm**

There is no direct "upgrade" from 68 to 7x in Thunderbird. The Thunderbird website discusses that there were too many differences, lots os add-on's that were not brought over etc, and there is a lot of discussions about what you need to do to upgrade - manually. So it would make sense to have 68 be 'the one' but have access to 78.

When I made the switch a while back, I had numerous issues and ended up rolling back until a later date. (I do have ONE machine on 78, the rest I have left in 68 mainly so that I can keep my addon's I prefer. )

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:31 pm**

Personally I find T'bird a necessary evil. My arch machines are at v 78+ and here I'm on 68. My data files are kept in either IMAP or archived and shared from Dropbox. Things work pretty smoothly, in the main. Personally I would not use snaps or flatpak for email unless you want to keep your email all on a single machine. Those self-contained (containerized?) environments are tough to synch across various divergent platforms.

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:39 pm**

CharlesV wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:20 pm There is no direct "upgrade" from 68 to 7x in Thunderbird. The Thunderbird website discusses that there were too many differences, lots os add-on's that were not brought over etc, and there is a lot of discussions about what you need to do to upgrade - manually. So it would make sense to have 68 be 'the one' but have access to 78.

When I made the switch a while back, I had numerous issues and ended up rolling back until a later date. (I do have ONE machine on 78, the rest I have left in 68 mainly so that I can keep my addon's I prefer. )

Ok, I'll keep on using v. 68.
Just out of curiosity, is it possible to install two distinct (separate) versions of Thunderbird, or any other software for that matter?

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:04 pm**

It is possible actually. I had an issue with a 6x version and used a 7x version to get around it. Once I found exactly what the issue was, then I wanted to roll back to 6x. I found that I could load BOTH versions, however, I could not use the same profile in both versions as the 7x would add some additional profile info and cause a problem - simple to get around, but a little tricky.

I did find that I could create an entirely NEW profile in a different location and then I had both up and running. Note - the Thunderbird Profile.ini is the problem, so you have to ... play around a little to get them both operational, but it can be done. (Not sure I would maintain that for long as something *will* bite you there.. but it is possible.

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:07 pm**

CharlesV wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:04 pm It is possible actually. I had an issue with a 6x version and used a 7x version to get around it. Once I found exactly what the issue was, then I wanted to roll back to 6x. I found that I could load BOTH versions

maybe because you used the flatpak version? with flatpak you can have a 'normal' and a flatpak version, the normal one will have its data in ~/.thunderbird, the flatpak one in ~/.var/app/org.mozilla.Thunderbird

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:23 pm**

Update: these instructions are already obsolete, as you can now install version 78 from MX Test

If someone really wants to use the latest Thunderbird version from the Debian Security repo, instead of installing a (huge) flatpak, you can make a file called /etc/apt/preferences.d/thunderbird_from_debian_security with the following content:

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Package: thunderbird* lightning* calendar-google-provider
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: 1001

For the lazy among us, you can use just this one command to create the file + content:

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echo -e 'Package: thunderbird* lightning* calendar-google-provider\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: 1001' | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/thunderbird_from_debian_security > /dev/null

Then you can do

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sudo apt upgrade

Remarkably, apt will tell you it will downgrade thunderbird but that's because of the peculiar version numbering.
But of course I can't guarantee any smooth transition from 68 to 78 and please consider doing a backup of your ~/.thunderbird folder.
If you'd want to revert to the MX version, remove the preferences file with:

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sudo rm /etc/apt/preferences.d/thunderbird_from_debian_security

and then again

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sudo apt upgrade

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:24 pm**

What I do is use the .tar file from the Thunderbird web site to install the latest version.

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:46 pm**

BV206 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:24 pm What I do is use the .tar file from the Thunderbird web site to install the latest version.

But that would overwrite any previously installed version of Thunderbird, right?

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:27 pm**

I also used the download from the website - no flatpak As I recall, I saved the tar contents to a different folder, leaving the original in tact. Then ran it from that new location. (ie 6x version as installed, 7x version folder saved to a different location - from the tar file. )

And I do agree SAVE your original thunderbird folder - AND your profile mail area BEFORE you do ANYTHING :-)

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:07 pm**

I got a PM from Mike that he's building the new version for at least MX 19. We had a little trouble at first adapting our modifications for the new version.

Posted: **Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:21 am**

I was finally able to get thunderbird-78.3.1-2 to build for buster and sent it up last night. Fortunately, Tim caught the potential for a real mess for anybody upgrading from a 68.n so he put it in test. - Mike

Posted: **Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:30 am**

Thanks guys.. I would really have hated it if my mail went bonkers.

Posted: **Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:39 am**

One man's improvement is another man's regression.

I live in my email/news client, and the last thing I want is anything changed up. I'm using v31.7 from a .deb file I've saved from the old Mepis 11 days. I have a bunch of custom buttons I was able to create on that version for navigating nntp news and they don't work on later versions.

Now you kids get off my lawn.

Posted: **Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:32 pm**

tb75252 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:46 pm
BV206 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:24 pm What I do is use the .tar file from the Thunderbird web site to install the latest version.
But that would overwrite any previously installed version of Thunderbird, right?

That depends on where you put the files. I have never tried to use two versions.
I think all you would need to do is extract the tar files to different folders. They can be in home or /opt or wherever you want.
Then any launchers or .desktop files must have the correct path to the executable file for each version.

Since I only want the latest version I extract it to /opt. It makes its own folders there and a new version overwrites existing files. Then I make a simlink to the executable file /opt/thunderbird/thunderbird in /usr/local/bin. That way the launchers or terminal command is just "thunderbird". I do the same thing with Firefox.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:53 pm**

Good night, folks.

After Thunderbird 78.3.1 had become available in the MX test repo,

I backed up my Thunderbird user profile (~/.thunderbird)
Upgraded from Thunderbird 68.12.0 to 78.3.1 using MX Package Installer

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2020-10-16  22:05:17  upgrade  thunderbird                            amd64  2:68.12.0-1mx19+1                    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1
2020-10-16  22:05:16  upgrade  thunderbird-l10n-de                    all    2:68.12.0-1mx19+1                    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1
2020-10-16  22:05:16  upgrade  lightning-l10n-de                      all    2:68.12.0-1mx19+1                    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1
2020-10-16  22:05:16  upgrade  lightning                              all    2:68.12.0-1mx19+1                    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1

All went perfectly fine. No trouble at all. - Admittedly the only extension in use here is Lightning. And the German language packs.

Very brief system summary:

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$ inxi -Sxxx
System:    Host: unimatrix3 Kernel: 4.19.0-12-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.14.2 tk: Gtk 3.24.5 
           info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: MX-19.2_x64 patito feo February 15  2020 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)

Now I am eagerly waiting for Thunderbird 78.4.0 to become available in the MX test repo.

Cheers,
Karl

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:20 pm**

karlchen wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:53 pm Good night, folks.

After Thunderbird 78.3.1 had become available in the MX test repo,
I backed up my Thunderbird user profile (~/.thunderbird)

Upgraded from Thunderbird 68.12.0 to 78.3.1 using MX Package Installer
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2020-10-16  22:05:17  upgrade  thunderbird                            amd64  2:68.12.0-1mx19+1                    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1
2020-10-16  22:05:16  upgrade  thunderbird-l10n-de                    all    2:68.12.0-1mx19+1                    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1
2020-10-16  22:05:16  upgrade  lightning-l10n-de                      all    2:68.12.0-1mx19+1                    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1
2020-10-16  22:05:16  upgrade  lightning                              all    2:68.12.0-1mx19+1                    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1
All went perfectly fine. No trouble at all. - Admittedly the only extension in use here is Lightning. And the German language packs.
Very brief system summary:
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$ inxi -Sxxx
System:    Host: unimatrix3 Kernel: 4.19.0-12-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.14.2 tk: Gtk 3.24.5 
           info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: MX-19.2_x64 patito feo February 15  2020 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
Now I am eagerly waiting for Thunderbird 78.4.0 to become available in the MX test repo.
Cheers,
Karl

Did you upgrade from 68.12?

-Mike

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:28 pm**

He says he updated from 68.12.0.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:46 pm**

Oh that's a nice update thanks!

Posted: **Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:26 am**

I hope this gets tested extensively.. I am not touching it with a ten foot pole right now

Posted: **Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:12 am**

This isn't a stable release version?

Posted: **Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:47 pm**

I have been using 78.4.0 since it was release and have had no problems, but I don't use extensions and only use Yahoo Mail IMAP.

Posted: **Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:34 pm**

Good night, folks.

karlchen wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:53 pm
Upgraded from Thunderbird 68.12.0 to 78.3.1 using MX Package Installer

Now I am eagerly waiting for Thunderbird 78.4.0 to become available in the MX test repo.

After reading this,

mmikeinsantarosa wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:50 pmthunderbird-78.4.0

in the thread: Packages being worked on by the Repo Team, I'll be watching the MX Updater panel icon 24/7 ...

--Addendum--
Did not have to watch for long. Thunderbird updated from 78.3.1 to 78.4.0.

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2020-10-27  23:24:51  upgrade  thunderbird                            amd64  2:78.3.1-2mx19+1                     2:78.4.0-1mx19+1
2020-10-27  23:24:50  upgrade  thunderbird-l10n-de                    all    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1                     2:78.4.0-1mx19+1
2020-10-27  23:24:50  upgrade  lightning-l10n-de                      all    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1                     2:78.4.0-1mx19+1
2020-10-27  23:24:50  upgrade  lightning                              all    2:78.3.1-2mx19+1                     2:78.4.0-1mx19+1

Too late for testing it tonight.

Cheers,
Karl

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:38 am**

do you mean updated from the flatpak?
I dont see it in MXPI.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:40 am**

Sparky wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:38 amI dont see it in MXPI.

version 78 is in the Test repo

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:43 am**

tony37 wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:40 am
Sparky wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:38 amI dont see it in MXPI.
version 78 is in the Test repo

Thanks Tony! I prefer not to mess with the test repo.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:56 am**

Well v78 is the latest stable security release so it should be a recommended install.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:05 am**

Nope it should not because it breaks things.

At least that is the in-short what I understood about that version. I don't want to go dig that post up about it, but it is somewhere in a post or thread or something that explains things.

Or has the consensus on that changed and I missed the memo?

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:39 am**

There are some notes in the thunderbird thread for MX-19 starting about here regarding upgrading to the new 78 series releases. I'm still on 68.12 - Mike

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:42 am**

Thanks Mike :)

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:11 am**

Hi, folks.

As can be told from my posts, that list, which Thunderbird related packages have been updated, from 68.12 to 78.3.1 [1] and from 78.3.1 to 78.4.0 [2], all through MX Package Installer from the MX test repo (no flatpaks involved), on my MX 19.2 systems, it is only Thunderbird and Lightning (both plus German language support).
Nothing, absolutely nothing has been broken for me, when making the big leap forward from 68.12 to 78.3.1 here. At least I have not noted anything, which had worked before and stopped doing so on 78.3.1 and 78.4.0.

--
My personal point of view:
Based on the official "Fixes" lists of the Thunderbird versions 78.3.0, 78.3.1, 78.3.2, 78.3.3 and 78.4.0:

my impression is that
+ early Thunderbird 78.x releases introduced a number of issues
+ some of which may have affected users specifically, who had upgraded from 68.x to 78.x
+ but starting with 78.3.1 and more so with 78.4.0 most of these issue should be history
+ nonetheless users keep on picking on the initial issues introduced by early Thunderbird 78.x releases (pre-78.3.1)
+ without realizing that quite a few bugs & deficiencies have been resolved by now.

Best regards,
Karl

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:33 am**

I'll need to double-check but I believe the 78.n series also needed at least one depends from test. It'll take more testing before we move it into main. - Mike

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:40 am**

H, Mike.
You are perfectly right in taking the time it takes in order to be on the safe side. - And I am not trying to push anyone. Would not be in the position to do so anyway.

Karl

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:47 pm**

Yeah... 78x just rolled in on me and broke:
Calendar Tweaks
gContact synch
phoneity icons
Provider for Google calendar, and
XNote++

;-/ ... will have to unwind it all when I have a chance :-(

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:27 pm**

Oh dang... hope you can get it managed by putting back the .thunderbird folder after reverting to the old version.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:31 pm**

That's why I don't use anything from the testing repo. I hope you're able to fix it.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:34 pm**

OK. this is weird ... according to my update history ... no thunderbird update took place... and I am NOT on the test repos either...

Its like the machine decided to USE 78 and not 68 .. (I had both loaded on this machine, but have been using 68 for months and months....

Something in yesterdays update caused the wrong one to launch as 'email client default' ?

- Nope ,DEFINITELY Thunderbird updated on 10/28 , but my mxlinux update history doesnt show any update for firefox. (infact - NO update on 10/28 for mxl )

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:48 pm**

what do you mean you're not in the test repos? Flatpak?

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:07 pm**

No. This machine is purely on the regular repos. I had downloaded Thunderbird 7x from the mozilla site back in April ? and tried it, then backed out as too much was broken. So, I had 68 running and linked as my default etc.

However, 7x was installed here. Not sure how, but it seems like something switched the default from 68 to 78 and then it updated via the TB updater when I launched it.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:14 pm**

OK, so mystery solved I believe ...

Check out this update history (in thunderbird !)/// looks like TB updated from 68 to 78 !!

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:33 pm**

WOW!

I still haven't updated.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:36 pm**

Debian Buster updated to 78, but I thought we had added an extra epoch to the MX versions so they would still be seen as higher...

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:47 pm**

Not in the stable repo, I forget about it.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:48 pm**

Stevo wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:36 pm Debian Buster updated to 78, but I thought we had added an extra epoch to the MX versions so they would still be seen as higher...

our epoch "2" is in place but our 78.4.0 is in test.
I'm fully updated and still on 68.12

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:48 pm**

Hi, CharlesV.

CharlesV wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:47 pm Yeah... 78x just rolled in on me and broke:
Calendar Tweaks
gContact synch
phoneity icons
Provider for Google calendar, and
XNote++

Checked from inside my running Thunderbird 78.4.0 on the Thunderbird Addons page.

Calendar Tweaks 8.3 (Feb 2020): no longer compatible.
gContact Sync 3.1.7 (June 2019): no longer compatible.
Phoenity Icons 3.0b5 (Oct 2020): installed on Thunderbird 78.4.0 here.
Provider for Google calendar 78.0.1 (Aug 2020): compatible
XNote++ 2.3.1 (Aug 2019): no longer compatible

Potential alternatives? - Not sure, because I have never used the now incompatible addons:
+ Open Google Calendar 1.5 (Feb 2020): compatible
+ QNote 0.6.3 (Oct 2020): compatible
Not sure whether all the incompatible addons are needed on Thunderbird 78.4.0 still or whether their goals can be achieved without them.

Hope it helps a bit at least.
Karl

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:05 pm**

Thanks Karl. yup.. been working on all those.

I have now added tbSync and its CalDav addon's which brought my googla calendar and contacts back up . (Dupes with the OLD provider, but easy enough to resolve once I know for sure its all working ;- )

Calendar tweaks and xnote I can live without - Dont see direct replacements yet.

Phoenity Icons isnt working, that is on my list next.

Other than phoenity, my custom CSS, and my Glass Black theme not working properly in preferences (all dark pages!), I believe I am up. All rules good, all folders still all good (21 gb of email !! years and years !) ...

Gonna try to ride it out if I can - looking go so far (knock on wood) ... Would like the improvements of 78... so... onward !

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:20 pm**

Some Notes for anyone interested:

- MUST remove the OLD providers before attempting to load any new services (ie Google providers, xnote, phoenity etc etc. ) Once old addon's have ben removed, then restart TB and can install and use the new addon's.

- Custom CSS is a little different in some areas, but 90% seemed to go right in.

- Qnote looks like a great replacement, however sadly old Xnotes are lost :-(

- Glass Black theme appears to be a mess :-( ( works - but a mess )

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:51 pm**

FWIW - I did upgrade a working thunderbird-68.12 in VM to 78.4.0 and nothing was broken but the only extension I'm using is calendar/lightning. - Mike

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:37 am**

Hi,

am up and running with Thunderbird 78.4.

gContact sync indeed initially seemed to be a deal breaker for me.

But I found CardBook to be a viable alternative, that works just fine for me.

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:37 am**

FYI .. this morning TB 68 on several of my clients windows machines rolled over into 78.4 ... so no question - Mozilla rolled the update from 68.

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:31 pm**

You're probably aware there have been several critical vulnerabilities reported recently against Thunderbird and Firefox.

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:49 pm**

metreo wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:31 pm You're probably aware there have been several critical vulnerabilities reported recently against Thunderbird and Firefox.

Link Please so I can study them?

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:57 pm**

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra ... 2020-15673
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra ... 2020-15676
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra ... 2020-15677
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra ... 2020-15678
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra ... 2020-15683

It's a paarty

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:00 am**

metreo wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:57 pm https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra ... 2020-15673
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra ... 2020-15676
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra ... 2020-15677
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra ... 2020-15678
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra ... 2020-15683

It's a paarty

Thank you! I'm sticking here, I hope they dont autoupdate.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:39 am**

Sparky wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:00 am Thank you! I'm sticking here, I hope they dont autoupdate.

but the problem is that version 68 is vulnerable while the latest 78 is not...
maybe security fixes will get backported to version 68 though

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:52 am**

Security is one thing, but a major worry for many is the change of email account's profile. If you don't like the upgrade, downgrade to 68, but no longer access to the account(s). There are guidelines but still, cause a worry that emails are lost.

I upgraded from 78.3 to 78.4, things look fine.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:39 pm**

Looks like FF just got another security patch pushed to 10.6.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:23 pm**

metreo wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:39 pm Looks like FF just got another security patch pushed to 10.6.

What does FF have to do with TB (other than the same creators?)

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:34 pm**

When you look at those security issues, they're often for both firefox and thunderbird

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:22 pm**

Yes it was posted here since the issue overlaps between FF and TB, both projects are rather closely related.

Posted: **Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:27 pm**

Anyway. I assume that everybody will be pleased and excited to learn that only today, Thunderbird has advanced to 78.4.3: Thunderbird Release Notes Version 78.4.3, first offered to channel users on November 11, 2020

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:18 pm**

Thunderbird was updated on stable today.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:58 pm**

metreo wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:18 pm Thunderbird was updated on stable today.

Not for me. Maybe it will propagate to other mirrors later?

Posted: **Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:04 am**

Keeping my fingers crossed that Lightning and Provider for Google Calendar will keep working as add ons. I need those.

Posted: **Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:47 am**

Yes, at least Provider for Google Calendar continues working, though I've found it has an issue properly loading in my calendars and tracing the time bar throughout the day. I can load the calendars by clicking unview/view for each and every one and likewise manually reset the time bar by closing the calendar and re-opening it.

Posted: **Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:49 am**

As to Lightning unfortunately: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/th ... /versions/

Posted: **Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:13 am**

Hi,
for Lightning: As far as I understand this is now integral part of Thunderbird 78. Here with Thunderbird 78.4 calendar seems to work also with Google calender connected via the most recent Provider for Google Calendar 78.0.1

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:35 pm**

anybody else having trouble getting mail from at&t/yahoo using thunderbird?

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:23 pm**

This is what I got in my mail a while ago. I have it working

Hey Yahoo Member,

Head’s up: As of 20 October 2020, Yahoo Mail will no longer support third-party applications (such as third-party email, calendar, or contact applications) using outdated sign-in methods. That just means if you’re still signing in to your Yahoo account via another email application, like the default email application on your phone, you need to make some quick updates to ensure your mailbox isn’t interrupted.

Here are your options:

Option 1: We recommend that you access your email using our free Yahoo Mail app for iOS and Android or simply go to mail.yahoo.com to access Yahoo Mail on the web.

Option 2: Keep your current, non-Yahoo app, BUT follow a few steps to get it to sync with our secure sign-in method. The steps vary across different email applications, but in most cases, you will have to remove your Yahoo account from the app and then add it back again to update the sign-in security. Use the links below to follow the specific steps for your current application:

iOS Mail
Gmail
Samsung Mail
Others

Option 3: You can generate a one-time, unique password that will allow you to sign in to your account using your non-Yahoo email application. Once created, this password will continue to allow your app to securely sync your Yahoo email unless you sign out (or are signed out) from your app. You can find instructions on how to do this here.

Questions? Please visit our help page. If you’ve already made the necessary changes for your account, we appreciate the quick action!

Yours in your inbox,
The Yahoo Team

I chose option three, which leads you here:

https://uk.help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-f ... 15241.html

Which says:
Sign in and go to your Account security page.
Click Generate app password or Manage app passwords.
Select your app from the drop down menu and click Generate.
Follow the instructions below the password.
Click Done.
Use this app password and your email address to sign in to your email app.

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:04 pm**

thanks Eadwine

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:07 am**

While I'm quite sure that this issue has been solved, along with a lot of other good information being put out there from other users, I figured I would put in my 2 cents worth. I've been using MX Linux for a little while, and in the Package Installer, it is obvious that Debian does not consider anything past version 68 of Thunderbird to be stable, so it will not be updated until that changes. Mine has not been, either. However, if you cruise into the MX Test Repo tab, you will see the option to upgrade to version 78. I tried this out. I didn't uninstall anything. I just installed it from the MX Test Repo list, and it updated my Thunderbird to 78.4.0, without any change in my settings. So far, I'm not having any problems with the new version. Looks a little different, but works the same. And I didn't use a terminal. That's why I love MX Linux. Use a terminal if you want, but this is the first distro I've tried that I have yet to need to use a terminal on.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:12 pm**

mmikeinsantarosa wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:35 pm anybody else having trouble getting mail from at&t/yahoo using thunderbird?

I use Yahoo IMAP (no AT&T account) and had a lot of timeout and authentication errors until earlier this year.
I always locally install the latest version from Thunderbird's web site.
I don't know if Yahoo changed something on their end or Thunderbird fixed something in versions after 69 or so but I haven't had a problem in months. Sometimes some messages appear slow to download but I don't have any other problems any more.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:28 pm**

You need to search for yahoo thunderbird on the forum. I posted why this is.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:00 pm**

It's still broke here so I've posted in at&t & mozilla/thunderbird to see if I can get any bites.
I have also tried a fresh 78.4 in a VM with similar results.
- mike

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:24 pm**

I did get it to work once on my desktop with 68.12 and then never again. So I tried 78.4 in a VM and it seems to be reliable. Looks like it's time to upgrade.
What a PITA. - Mike

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:19 pm**

Eadwine Rose wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:28 pm You need to search for yahoo thunderbird on the forum. I posted why this is.

Which helped me too. I have a second email account with Yahoo as a back-up and it had stopped working so I removed it in Thunderbird. I re-added it yesterday and it seems to be OK now. I never saw the notification because I never use Yahoo webmail, only Thunderbird.

Posted: **Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:03 am**

I never used webmail either, but I was bombarded with mails from yahoo about this which came in in TB still.

Posted: **Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:48 pm**

Aand.. yet another stable-sec update for Thunderbird.

Posted: **Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:11 am**

There is no need to report each available update. We have devs that monitor this stuff.

Posted: **Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:59 pm**

It was not a report, it was a point of discussion. Reports are filed as bugs using normal protocol.

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