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Here's a doozy from a couple of days ago.
and they wonder why python broke. Get with the times man.

Stevo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:37 pm I was expecting EndeavourOS to continue its rise and eventually supplant MX at the top of the unofficial click-through charts, but it seems they stalled out for some reason, so we'll be forced to continue to shoulder the heavy burden of being on top.

But as the movie line goes, "This is the business we've chosen."

That's because EndeavourOS doesn't come with a G.U.I. package manager which scares away people who have issues with using the command line.

Mauser wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:17 pm

Stevo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:37 pm I was expecting EndeavourOS to continue its rise and eventually supplant MX at the top of the unofficial click-through charts, but it seems they stalled out for some reason, so we'll be forced to continue to shoulder the heavy burden of being on top.

But as the movie line goes, "This is the business we've chosen."

That's because EndeavourOS doesn't come with a G.U.I. package manager which scares away people who have issues with using the command line.

That fails to explain why they were rocketing toward the top, though, and then suddenly were not. I think I heard about some disastrous update for them... maybe

those grub updates can be hard on everyone!

EndeavourOS previously received an influx of ex-Manjaro forum members due to some disagreement as to how Manjaro devs handled - among other things - repo management (how long to hold back Arch updates from Manjaro Stable, etc) as well as forum control (all fun and off topic stuff, even screenshots, were no longer allowed on the Manjaro forum).

I'm sure Endeavour is a fine Arch-repo-based distro. Manjaro is not a direct Arch-repo distro since it pulls in Arch packages and updates into its own 3 repos - Unstable, Testing, stable - and then tries, not always successfully, to manage their progression through Unstable >> Testing >> Stable repo, in order to smooth out rough Arch updates.

The grub issue in Arch was due to some changes upstream by the grub developers. It affects uefi systems only. From what I can see, Manjaro was not affected because they had previously already forked grub from Arch's.

In any case, it's not really EndeavourOS 's fault. But perhaps newer users who have the wrong expectation of various Arch-based distros with a GUI installer will have been freaked out by the grub issue, or other rough updates.

"Easy to install" (for arch) does not mean the user relinquishes the obligation to maintain the system. Updates aren't click and forget. That's the price of an "install once, use forever with the latest packages" system. But many who come from fixed release distros don't realize this.

And if Mauser is right and Endeavour doesn't ship with a GUI package installer, I think it's a good move. Let the users get used to the basics of Arch package management so that they understand the appropriate role of third party GUI package installers if/when they do install them themselves.

Manjaro is currently going through a rough KDE Plasma update because the latest version from KDE devs is buggy. Quite a lot of forum posts questioning why Manjaro would simply allow the buggy upstream version into their Stable repo when they are meant to be a distro that tries to smooth out Arch issues. While I'm neutral about this issue, I do wonder if this latest issue will again gain Endeavour and other Arch-based distros new members.

PS. I haven't had issues with my long-lived Manjaro installs, but that is because I use XFCE, which is quite stable and doesn't go through crazy-fast changes all the time, and am on MBR legacy boot.

asqwerth wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:45 am EndeavourOS previously received an influx of ex-Manjaro forum members due to some disagreement as to how Manjaro devs handled - among other things - repo management (how long to hold back Arch updates from Manjaro Stable, etc) as well as forum control (all fun and off topic stuff, even screenshots, were no longer allowed on the Manjaro forum).

Could be worse. They could have Mods threatening to slap you with a fish.

Specifically, Clupea harengus...the Atlantic Herring

uncle mark wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:04 am

asqwerth wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:45 am EndeavourOS previously received an influx of ex-Manjaro forum members due to some disagreement as to how Manjaro devs handled - among other things - repo management (how long to hold back Arch updates from Manjaro Stable, etc) as well as forum control (all fun and off topic stuff, even screenshots, were no longer allowed on the Manjaro forum).

Could be worse. They could have Mods threatening to slap you with a fish.

asqwerth wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:45 amEndeavourOS previously received an influx of ex-Manjaro forum members due to some disagreement as to how Manjaro devs handled - among other things - repo management (how long to hold back Arch updates from Manjaro Stable, etc) as well as forum control (all fun and off topic stuff, even screenshots, were no longer allowed on the Manjaro forum).

I don't really understand the premise behind Manjaro. They're trying to make Arch user friendly, but honestly aren't there enough "user-friendly" distros out there? It's not like an average user cares about the wonderful command-line package manager and updater, and source code, etc. They want to do things on their PC and they want it to bloody well work. I'm in the same boat myself, which is why i don't use Arch or its derivatives.

asqwerth wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:45 amManjaro is currently going through a rough KDE Plasma update because the latest version from KDE devs is buggy. Quite a lot of forum posts questioning why Manjaro would simply allow the buggy upstream version into their Stable repo when they are meant to be a distro that tries to smooth out Arch issues. While I'm neutral about this issue, I do wonder if this latest issue will again gain Endeavour and other Arch-based distros new members.

I was just wondering if someone else is having the same experience I have had lately. I'm using it on Fedora 36 at the moment, and over the last 3 releases it has become buggy as hell and hangs a lot. Sometimes the entire WM crashes for no apparent reason. And yes I'm running on Wayland, but the X11 session is much worse: it's super slow and laggy and basically unusable. I'm looking to jump to a different DE myself I have to decide which one is the most suitable, must be for Wayland, which is needed because X11 gives me rubbish input handling, lag, and screen tearing. On my system Wayland desktops tend to be smooth as baby's bottom.

Sorry for being offtopic

AK-47 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:35 am I was just wondering if someone else is having the same experience I have had lately. I'm using it on Fedora 36 at the moment, and over the last 3 releases it has become buggy as hell and hangs a lot. Sometimes the entire WM crashes for no apparent reason. And yes I'm running on Wayland, but the X11 session is much worse: it's super slow and laggy and basically unusable. I'm looking to jump to a different DE myself I have to decide which one is the most suitable, must be for Wayland, which is needed because X11 gives me rubbish input handling, lag, and screen tearing. On my system Wayland desktops tend to be smooth as baby's bottom.

I'm running MX KDE (Plasma 5.24.x branch from Norbert's repos) on Wayland, no problems so far on Asus Transformer