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LOL

There are some people who hate XFCE with a passion.

In particular there was a poster on the DW weekly comments page who had commented (paraphrased) that well, at least we did try to clean XFCE up, but that it was doomed to failure because XFCE cannot be saved.

Really weird. Of course XFCE is not as pretty as Plasma or Gnome and doesn't have the bells and whistles of the latter 2, but it's a straightforward, inoffensive, modular DE that is easy to figure out and use. I can understand how divisive Gnome is, how some people hate the limitations in vanilla Gnome (if you don't use any 3rd party shell extensions), but what did XFCE do to deserve such vitriol?

asqwerth wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 10:54 am There are some people who hate XFCE with a passion.

In particular there was a poster on the DW weekly comments page who had commented (paraphrased) that well, at least we did try to clean XFCE up, but that it was doomed to failure because XFCE cannot be saved.

Really weird. Of course XFCE is not as pretty as Plasma or Gnome and doesn't have the bells and whistles of the latter 2, but it's a straightforward, inoffensive, modular DE that is easy to figure out and use. I can understand how divisive Gnome is, how some people hate the limitations in vanilla Gnome (if you don't use any 3rd party shell extensions), but what did XFCE do to deserve such vitriol?

Not to get too philosophical but the 'problem' with XFCE4 is the 'problem' we are experiencing throughout much of the world in every other paradigm..

It is firmly and wonderfully in the center... not too light, not too heavy... Not ugly but not eye-catchingly beautiful (at least in it's default deployment, but MX deploys it as good as it could be I think...). Look at income, look at politics, look at public discourse. The center is the un-sexiest place to be right now and people (and Desktop Environments) towing the center line are bound to get flamed as people (and their opinions) become increasingly polarized, I would guess some of these critics don't even know why XFCE4 makes them so angry but I sincerely believe there is an irrational and misdirected intangible contempt for 'centrism' in much of the developed world right now...

Lol, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it!

I like how they claim MX is the "slowest they've tried" without providing any info to back that up, or even which other distros and DEs make MX look slow.

I don't pay attention to distrowatch lately at all. I'm assuming MX is still the top dog, and for obvious reasons. Xfce as default? check, Doesn't use systemd by default? check. I honestly believe that there is a backdoor with systemd which is why Ubuntu, among others, push it forward, completely ignoring anything else like it never even existed. It's a fact that when everyone is herded so, or when everyone is using the same browser, or OS, or ap, or whatever, that in and of itself is a security risk and will be exploited simply because of the massive audience. MS is a fine example. KISS never fails and is always the best explanation or reason to be. If anyone puts MX down it's because it's a threat to their herd mentality model of computing. no bueno
DW is not just un-American, it's anti-American.

@davidy
If you don't have anything to document your "backdoor" comment, you shouldn't make it. If you do have anything to document it, put it up.

figueroa wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 11:09 pm @davidy
If you don't have anything to document your "backdoor" comment, you shouldn't make it. If you do have anything to document it, put it up.

If you aren't aware of current world affairs maybe it's because you don't want to be aware. I can't read the news for you. I can only comment on what I'm personally aware of. If you are aware of negative comments coming out of left field towards MX or even linux in general but don't know why, my suggestion is read more of who is who. Ambiguous statements about "DW" deserve more scrutiny I suspect. That's just a label but actual people are in control.

@davidy
It's always proper to be cautious from a cybersecurity perspective, but claims of unknown backdoor in systemd is just hyperbole. systemd is/was the fetish of Red Hat and it serves their purposes. Nor do I believe there is a DW conspiracy against MX.

While there will always be some comments in DW Weekly deriding people who don't want systemd on their system, Jesse himself - the owner/person-in-charge of DW always gives MX a fair review and generally good ratings.

Also, you may not be aware but he maintains the sysV init github. So he is the total opposite of anti-sysV.

[ADDED] It is always important to separate the views of the site owner from those who participate in the comments section.

You are being all played like a piano on Distrowatch. All distro review posts are all FAKE! I have proved this by posting reviews and I never see any of my reviews posted which proves distro review posts are all FAKE!