MX Moksha "Out of Bodhi" Testing Release RC2

[Aceediq]

Nice! I'm pleasantly surprised! Moksha gives a lot in appearance without asking for much RAM. Thanks for taking time to share that info!

I have been able to install avl moksha...

it was tasking and a conglomeration of different issues...

ventoy installs avl mxe 23.5 well but I have issues installing avl moksha and even @Freja extrox...so I switched to easy2boot, rufus worked but you can only have one iso...

ram issues, not sure yet...booted the laptop on avl mxe 23.5, all fine and good...alright, let's try out avl moksha and extrox...teeny tiny pandora like box...

@AVLinux your move from enlightenment to moksha, I would say is more impactful and more of a leap than from xfce to enlightenment, really, so a DE can be this robust, flexible and LIGHT?

@ylee2130 kudos can there be a guide, video tutorial preferably on how to create themes or improving ui/ux for moksha?

@AVLinux I am not having icons on RC2, it can be fixable by installing iconpacks?

@AVLinux would we be having your concise but adjustable conky back? as functional as possible?

the quality of life using moksha is evident seriously...can't wait for an official release of AVL moksha

we should have a minimalistic and mature logo for the startup button ubuntu's startup button and logo, for me, is the only standard

[Aceediq]

@AVLinux I don't see available wifi on AVL moksha...I usually have to create the connection...is that a bug or moksha's way of doing things?

@ylee2130

[AVLinux]

@Aceediq

I'm having trouble keeping up..lol

First if you have no icons that is very odd and is not normal and yes there are several Icon themes installed. Moksha does not use Connman like Enlightenment does and you should have a Network Manager applet in your systray to connect to WiFi, are you sure you have a good download of the ISO?

As far as Moksha themes it is like Enlightenment and the themes are very complex pieces of software on their own and are nothing like theming XFCE4, KDE etc. It is not a trivial thing at all to create a Moksha theme. When you talk about 'improving UX/UI' you are 100% in the realm of opinion, and before making such observations look in the Package Manager, there are at least 20 maintained Moksha themes. Moksha is Moksha and it's beauty is that it doesn't look like everything else, if you don't like any of the existing themes and want unlimited choice then Moksha is probably not for you.

[rokytnji.1]

I've ran a simple ~/.conky.rc file in e17 years ago.

Have yet to try in Moshka . Just a conky-all or standard away.
Make your hidden file.
Make sure it is in startup.
Done.

Got other stuff like spammers on antiX forum to take of instead

[Aceediq]

@Aceediq

I'm having trouble keeping up..lol

First if you have no icons that is very odd and is not normal and yes there are several Icon themes installed. Moksha does not use Connman like Enlightenment does and you should have a Network Manager applet in your systray to connect to WiFi, are you sure you have a good download of the ISO?

As far as Moksha themes it is like Enlightenment and the themes are very complex pieces of software on their own and are nothing like theming XFCE4, KDE etc. It is not a trivial thing at all to create a Moksha theme. When you talk about 'improving UX/UI' you are 100% in the realm of opinion, and before making such observations look in the Package Manager, there are at least 20 maintained Moksha themes. Moksha is Moksha and it's beauty is that it doesn't look like everything else, if you don't like any of the existing themes and want unlimited choice then Moksha is probably not for you.

you have trouble keeping up? you doing a good job, that's why

the only other AV distro that can be compared to you is ubuntu studio, do you know how many developers are on the project? of course you should have trouble keeping up for good though

as for having a good download of the ISO, if my downloaded ISO had issues, I don't think it will install at all...well, let me try the ISO live and see if the icons show...

and as for moksha's themes, what I am gunning for isn't too change the title icons or changes the edges to curves, what I want is more theme colour schemes, at least a used already wants a blue variant of the moksha themes, you've got AVLinux being stable on a lockdown, and personally, I don't think it's bad if there are incremental and non technical improvements like

- more colour options in moksha's themes
- being able to directly apply wallpapers of your choice from wherever they are in your file manager
- more uniform icons both in scale and looks
- options for start logo

and other little things...

@ylee2130


and I didn't know there were moksha themes in mxpi, AVL MXe didn't have, right? or we there enlightenment themes in mxpi too?

and as for the WiFi, I'd like to wait for a final release of AVL moksha before getting my hands dirty, I have other things I need to deal with with more priority...

[AVLinux]

@Aceediq

I'm having trouble keeping up..lol

First if you have no icons that is very odd and is not normal and yes there are several Icon themes installed. Moksha does not use Connman like Enlightenment does and you should have a Network Manager applet in your systray to connect to WiFi, are you sure you have a good download of the ISO?

As far as Moksha themes it is like Enlightenment and the themes are very complex pieces of software on their own and are nothing like theming XFCE4, KDE etc. It is not a trivial thing at all to create a Moksha theme. When you talk about 'improving UX/UI' you are 100% in the realm of opinion, and before making such observations look in the Package Manager, there are at least 20 maintained Moksha themes. Moksha is Moksha and it's beauty is that it doesn't look like everything else, if you don't like any of the existing themes and want unlimited choice then Moksha is probably not for you.

you have trouble keeping up? you doing a good job, that's why

the only other AV distro that can be compared to you is ubuntu studio, do you know how many developers are on the project? of course you should have trouble keeping up for good though

as for having a good download of the ISO, if my downloaded ISO had issues, I don't think it will install at all...well, let me try the ISO live and see if the icons show...

and as for moksha's themes, what I am gunning for isn't too change the title icons or changes the edges to curves, what I want is more theme colour schemes, at least a used already wants a blue variant of the moksha themes, you've got AVLinux being stable on a lockdown, and personally, I don't think it's bad if there are incremental and non technical improvements like

- more colour options in moksha's themes
- being able to directly apply wallpapers of your choice from wherever they are in your file manager
- more uniform icons both in scale and looks
- options for start logo

and other little things...

Happy Birthday!

Well. yes for sure there are never enough hours in the day..

As far as coloring of themes that is one of the major differences between Moksha and Enlightenment and as far as colors Moksha is less flexible outside of it's theme. Enlightenment has an additional feature of palettes so for example if you have a GTK theme you like but not an exact matching Enlightenment theme you can at least change the regular Enlightenment theme palette to match your GTK theme and Moksha doesn't really allow this, there is a 'Color' setting but it is not really the same as using palettes. If you notice in my MX Moksha the Green-based GTK theme is different than in the @Senpai Bodhi Respin, this is because I've made customized a Skewaita GTK theme to match the skeumorphic look of Moksha. Anyway Bodhi maintains lots of themes but they are not easy to color and not easy to match with GTK themes and they have one guy (the_waiter) maintaining all the themes and coming up with new ones when time allows and it takes weeks to create a Moksha theme.

As far as Icons and the Start Logo I agree, many Icons are embedded in the Moksha theme and cannot be changed and will not match your selected Icon theme, this is simply a way Moksha differs from other DE's.



AV Linux has a few themes and palettes installed and there is more here:

https://bandshed.net/packages/AVL_MXe-2 ... /OPTIONAL/

[Aceediq]

@Aceediq

I'm having trouble keeping up..lol

First if you have no icons that is very odd and is not normal and yes there are several Icon themes installed. Moksha does not use Connman like Enlightenment does and you should have a Network Manager applet in your systray to connect to WiFi, are you sure you have a good download of the ISO?

As far as Moksha themes it is like Enlightenment and the themes are very complex pieces of software on their own and are nothing like theming XFCE4, KDE etc. It is not a trivial thing at all to create a Moksha theme. When you talk about 'improving UX/UI' you are 100% in the realm of opinion, and before making such observations look in the Package Manager, there are at least 20 maintained Moksha themes. Moksha is Moksha and it's beauty is that it doesn't look like everything else, if you don't like any of the existing themes and want unlimited choice then Moksha is probably not for you.

you have trouble keeping up? you doing a good job, that's why

the only other AV distro that can be compared to you is ubuntu studio, do you know how many developers are on the project? of course you should have trouble keeping up for good though

as for having a good download of the ISO, if my downloaded ISO had issues, I don't think it will install at all...well, let me try the ISO live and see if the icons show...

and as for moksha's themes, what I am gunning for isn't too change the title icons or changes the edges to curves, what I want is more theme colour schemes, at least a used already wants a blue variant of the moksha themes, you've got AVLinux being stable on a lockdown, and personally, I don't think it's bad if there are incremental and non technical improvements like

- more colour options in moksha's themes
- being able to directly apply wallpapers of your choice from wherever they are in your file manager
- more uniform icons both in scale and looks
- options for start logo

and other little things...

Happy Birthday!

Well. yes for sure there are never enough hours in the day..

As far as coloring of themes that is one of the major differences between Moksha and Enlightenment and as far as colors Moksha is less flexible outside of it's theme. Enlightenment has an additional feature of palettes so for example if you have a GTK theme you like but not an exact matching Enlightenment theme you can at least change the regular Enlightenment theme palette to match your GTK theme and Moksha doesn't really allow this, there is a 'Color' setting but it is not really the same as using palettes. If you notice in my MX Moksha the Green-based GTK theme is different than in the @Senpai Bodhi Respin, this is because I've made customized a Skewaita GTK theme to match the skeumorphic look of Moksha. Anyway Bodhi maintains lots of themes but they are not easy to color and not easy to match with GTK themes and they have one guy (the_waiter) maintaining all the themes and coming up with new ones when time allows and it takes weeks to create a Moksha theme.

As far as Icons and the Start Logo I agree, many Icons are embedded in the Moksha theme and cannot be changed and will not match your selected Icon theme, this is simply a way Moksha differs from other DE's.



AV Linux has a few themes and palettes installed and there is more here:

https://bandshed.net/packages/AVL_MXe-2 ... /OPTIONAL/

will the AVL MXe themes work for AVL moksha?

how nerfed is the colours setting compared to palettes?

I would love if in YOUR SPARE TIME do a video tutorial showing how you tweaked the skewaita theme to your tastes...

I believe also that @ylee2130 could help to request that the waiter dev should out of the magnanimity of the moksha devs, do a tutorial or two showing how to create moksha themes too...

@AVLinux also when will AVL moksha's final version be coming out?

[the_waiter]

Hello MX guys :)

Stefan here, Bodhi linux developer. Nice to meet you. I saw my nick name in relation to Moksha themes. Yes, I should make a tutorial about how to create Moksha themes. Frankly as AVL noted, it is very complex process. There are some tools but I mostly use Geany editor with edc syntax hilights. I have never created my own theme from scratch. Actually it is impossible. You need a theme skelet based on Moksha signals and basic shapes. I can mention raster (E lead dev) and his new theme. It took him more than 1 year! Anyway if you want some info @Aceediq , feel free to ask me on our discord channel. I will guide you...

Stefan

[AVLinux]

Hello MX guys :)

Stefan here, Bodhi linux developer. Nice to meet you. I saw my nick name in relation to Moksha themes. Yes, I should make a tutorial about how to create Moksha themes. Frankly as AVL noted, it is very complex process. There are some tools but I mostly use Geany editor with edc syntax hilights. I have never created my own theme from scratch. Actually it is impossible. You need a theme skelet based on Moksha signals and basic shapes. I can mention raster (E lead dev) and his new theme. It took him more than 1 year! Anyway if you want some info @Aceediq , feel free to ask me on our discord channel. I will guide you...

Stefan

Hi Stefan! Great to have you here!

I need to clarify something I said in an earlier post.. As far as Moksha and GTK themes, Stefan works very hard on creating matching GTK themes for the various Moksha themes so it is better to start with a Moksha theme you like and then either use the provided matching GTK theme or add your own.. My earlier comments were in the context of if you go to a popular GTK theme site and randomly pick a theme (ie the Nord theme) you will probably not find a Moksha theme that matches all that well, but selecting a Moksha theme first and working from that angle will yield better results..

[ylee2130]

It is worth noting that Agustin J. Verdegal T wrote an article, E17: Create Your Own Custom Themes, which originally appeared in PCLinuxOS Magazine, Volume 51, April 2011. At one point, I altered it for Bodhi's usage (with permission). It used to be on our old wiki and available as part of our old E17 Guide, which could be read in full on our wiki and installed from our repos. One can find this Bodhi Guide on GitHub, for example, here. The page on creating your own e17 theme is located at bodhiGuide/E17/e17guideEN. Naturally this article is dated and the theme it uses as an example is no longer maintained nor in our repos. The basic ideas are the same tho for any theme.

This is a very intro level discussion of themes, tho as to fully cover the creation and customization of Moksha or Elementary/Enlightenment themes is a complex topic and could easily fill a mid-sized book.