MX 25 Beta 1 Feedback thread

[FullScale4Me]

Does logging out get you back to the greeter where you can choose the X11 option?

[operadude]

Does logging out get you back to the greeter where you can choose the X11 option?

I have not tried that !!

Will give it a try, and report back.

Thanks...Great Idea

[oops]

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@dolphin_oracle ... FI : The new xnview version : XnViewMP-linux-x64_V1.9.4.deb , is now ok for MX25 too.
https://newsgroup.xnview.com/viewtopic.php?t=49642

ah good! I'll see about adding it back to mxpi.

Thk... xnview is back into mxpi and working.

I have also reinstalled hardinfo2 ... and with the new version it is fine, I have now for: cat /etc/group | grep hardinfo2 --> hardinfo2 : x: 987: (instead 1001 or more into the users group area)

[Jerry3904]

MXFB on strong Personal laptop with systemd:

In trying to find a LO file I'm working on, I used Menu > Other > Recent files and clicked the Update link for the first time since install. Will post crash log later once I find it, but quickly:
1) tint2 closed
2) dock went from hidden on R margin to visible in upper left corner
3) nothing else visible on desktop
Ctrl Alt Bksp to log back in, where all normal and Recent files populated.

[operadude]

Does logging out get you back to the greeter where you can choose the X11 option?

I have not tried that !!

Will give it a try, and report back.

Thanks...Great Idea

Yes, that did it !!!

Thank you, @FullScale4Me

Here's the QSI from the LIVE USB, showing "wm: kwin_x11with plank":

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System:
  Kernel: 6.12.43+deb13-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 14.2.0 clocksource: tsc
    avail: hpet,acpi_pm parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/antiX/vmlinuz quiet splasht nosplash
  Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 6.3.6 tk: Qt v: N/A info: frameworks v: 6.13.0 wm: kwin_x11 with: plank
    vt: 2 dm: SDDM Distro: MX-25_KDE_beta1_x64 Infinity September 21 2025 base: Debian GNU/Linux 13
    (trixie)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: H270-HD3 v: N/A serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Gigabyte model: H270-HD3-CF v: x.x serial: <superuser required>
    uuid: <superuser required> UEFI: American Megatrends v: F5 date: 04/24/2017
Battery:
  Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse PID:0080 serial: N/A
    charge: 55% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes status: discharging
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core i3-7100 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Kaby Lake gen: core 7 level: v3
    note: check built: 2018 process: Intel 14nm family: 6 model-id: 0x9E (158) stepping: 9
    microcode: 0x42
  Topology: cpus: 1x dies: 1 clusters: 2 cores: 2 threads: 4 tpc: 2 smt: enabled cache:
    L1: 128 KiB desc: d-2x32 KiB; i-2x32 KiB L2: 512 KiB desc: 2x256 KiB L3: 3 MiB desc: 1x3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 800 min/max: 800/3900 scaling: driver: intel_pstate governor: powersave
    cores: 1: 800 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800 bogomips: 31199
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Vulnerable: No microcode
  Type: indirect_target_selection status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: Split huge pages
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT vulnerable
  Type: mds status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT vulnerable
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT
    vulnerable
  Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed status: Vulnerable
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines; STIBP: disabled; RSB filling; PBRSB-eIBRS: Not
    affected; BHI: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Vulnerable: No microcode
  Type: tsa status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Oland PRO [Radeon R7 240/340 / Radeon 520]
    vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: radeon v: kernel alternate: amdgpu arch: GCN-1
    code: Southern Islands process: TSMC 28nm built: 2011-20 pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 8
    ports: active: HDMI-A-1 empty: DVI-D-1,VGA-1 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:6613 class-ID: 0300
    temp: 39.0 C
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.16 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.6 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X:
    loaded: radeon unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: radeon display-ID: :0
    screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.00x11.22") s-diag: 582mm (22.93")
  Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-0 model: Samsung built: 2007 res: mode: 1920x1080 hz: 60
    scale: 100% (1) dpi: 305 gamma: 1.2 size: 160x90mm (6.3x3.54") diag: 184mm (7.2") ratio: 16:9
    modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 640x480
  API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: amd radeonsi platforms: device: 0 drv: radeonsi device: 1 drv: swrast
    gbm: drv: kms_swrast surfaceless: drv: radeonsi x11: drv: radeonsi inactive: wayland
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 vendor: amd mesa v: 25.0.7-2 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: OLAND
    (radeonsi ACO DRM 2.50 6.12.43+deb13-amd64) device-ID: 1002:6613 memory: 1.95 GiB unified: no
  Info: Tools: api: eglinfo,glxinfo de: kscreen-console,kscreen-doctor wl: wayland-info
    x11: xdriinfo, xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 200 Series PCH HD Audio vendor: Gigabyte driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
    alternate: snd_soc_avs bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:a2f0 class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Oland/Hainan/Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon
    HD 7000 Series] vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 3
    speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 8 bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:aab0 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.12.43+deb13-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.4.5 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
    tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Intel Ethernet I219-V vendor: Gigabyte driver: e1000e v: kernel port: N/A
    bus-ID: 00:1f.6 chip-ID: 8086:15b8 class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  Info: services: NetworkManager, nfsd, smbd, systemd-networkd, wpa_supplicant
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 7.27 TiB used: 3.13 GiB (0.0%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Samsung model: SSD 970 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB
    block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 tech: SSD serial: <filter>
    fw-rev: 1B2QEXE7 temp: 30.9 C scheme: GPT
  ID-2: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 model: SATA SSD size: 111.79 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: SSD serial: <filter> fw-rev: 61.3 scheme: GPT
  ID-3: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 vendor: Kingston model: SA400S37120G size: 111.79 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: SSD serial: <filter> fw-rev: 61K1
    scheme: MBR
  ID-4: /dev/sdc maj-min: 8:32 vendor: Western Digital model: WD5000AADS-00S9B0 size: 465.76 GiB
    block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s tech: N/A serial: <filter>
    fw-rev: 0A01 scheme: GPT
  ID-5: /dev/sdd maj-min: 8:48 vendor: Seagate model: ST4000DM004-2CV104 size: 3.64 TiB
    block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: HDD rpm: 5425 serial: <filter>
    fw-rev: 0001 scheme: GPT
  ID-6: /dev/sde maj-min: 8:64 vendor: Seagate model: ST3000DM001-1ER166 size: 2.73 TiB
    block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: HDD rpm: 7200 serial: <filter>
    fw-rev: CC25 scheme: GPT
  ID-7: /dev/sdf maj-min: 8:80 vendor: Generic model: Flash Disk size: 3.75 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: USB rev: 2.0 spd: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 tech: SSD
    serial: <filter> fw-rev: 8.07 scheme: MBR
  SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure?
Partition:
  Message: No partition data found.
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default) zswap: no
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 32 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p10
    maj-min: 259:10
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 42.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 39.0 C
  Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2753 libs: 1536 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala pm: rpm pkgs: 0
    pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.sources
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie main  contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ trixie-security main  contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    3: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie-updates  main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.sources
    1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ trixie main  non-free
    2: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ trixie ahs
Info:
  Memory: total: 32 GiB available: 31.3 GiB used: 2.97 GiB (9.5%)
  Processes: 240 Power: uptime: 35m states: freeze,mem,disk suspend: deep avail: s2idle
    wakeups: 0 hibernate: platform avail: shutdown, reboot, suspend, test_resume image: 12.51 GiB
    services: org_kde_powerdevil,upowerd Init: systemd v: 257 default: graphical tool: systemctl
  Compilers: gcc: 14.2.0 Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.37-release inxi: 3.3.38
Boot Mode: UEFI

[Jerry3904]

MXFB on strong Personal laptop with systemd:

In trying to find a LO file I'm working on, I used Menu > Other > Recent files and clicked the Update link for the first time since install. Will post crash log later once I find it, but quickly:
1) tint2 closed
2) dock went from hidden on R margin to visible in upper left corner
3) nothing else visible on desktop
Ctrl Alt Bksp to log back in, where all normal and Recent files populated.

Interesting: that did not happen when I tried the same maneuver on the 2010 HP, also running on systemd.

[operadude]

Does logging out get you back to the greeter where you can choose the X11 option?

I have not tried that !!

Will give it a try, and report back.

Thanks...Great Idea

Yes, that did it !!!

Thank you, @FullScale4Me

Here's the QSI from the LIVE USB, showing "wm: kwin_x11with plank":

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System:
  Kernel: 6.12.43+deb13-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 14.2.0 clocksource: tsc
    avail: hpet,acpi_pm parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/antiX/vmlinuz quiet splasht nosplash
  Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 6.3.6 tk: Qt v: N/A info: frameworks v: 6.13.0 wm: kwin_x11 with: plank
    vt: 2 dm: SDDM Distro: MX-25_KDE_beta1_x64 Infinity September 21 2025 base: Debian GNU/Linux 13
    (trixie)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: H270-HD3 v: N/A serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Gigabyte model: H270-HD3-CF v: x.x serial: <superuser required>
    uuid: <superuser required> UEFI: American Megatrends v: F5 date: 04/24/2017
Battery:
  Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse PID:0080 serial: N/A
    charge: 55% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes status: discharging
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core i3-7100 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Kaby Lake gen: core 7 level: v3
    note: check built: 2018 process: Intel 14nm family: 6 model-id: 0x9E (158) stepping: 9
    microcode: 0x42
  Topology: cpus: 1x dies: 1 clusters: 2 cores: 2 threads: 4 tpc: 2 smt: enabled cache:
    L1: 128 KiB desc: d-2x32 KiB; i-2x32 KiB L2: 512 KiB desc: 2x256 KiB L3: 3 MiB desc: 1x3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 800 min/max: 800/3900 scaling: driver: intel_pstate governor: powersave
    cores: 1: 800 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800 bogomips: 31199
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Vulnerable: No microcode
  Type: indirect_target_selection status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: Split huge pages
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT vulnerable
  Type: mds status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT vulnerable
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT
    vulnerable
  Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed status: Vulnerable
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines; STIBP: disabled; RSB filling; PBRSB-eIBRS: Not
    affected; BHI: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Vulnerable: No microcode
  Type: tsa status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Oland PRO [Radeon R7 240/340 / Radeon 520]
    vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: radeon v: kernel alternate: amdgpu arch: GCN-1
    code: Southern Islands process: TSMC 28nm built: 2011-20 pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 8
    ports: active: HDMI-A-1 empty: DVI-D-1,VGA-1 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:6613 class-ID: 0300
    temp: 39.0 C
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.16 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.6 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X:
    loaded: radeon unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: radeon display-ID: :0
    screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.00x11.22") s-diag: 582mm (22.93")
  Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-0 model: Samsung built: 2007 res: mode: 1920x1080 hz: 60
    scale: 100% (1) dpi: 305 gamma: 1.2 size: 160x90mm (6.3x3.54") diag: 184mm (7.2") ratio: 16:9
    modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 640x480
  API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: amd radeonsi platforms: device: 0 drv: radeonsi device: 1 drv: swrast
    gbm: drv: kms_swrast surfaceless: drv: radeonsi x11: drv: radeonsi inactive: wayland
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 vendor: amd mesa v: 25.0.7-2 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: OLAND
    (radeonsi ACO DRM 2.50 6.12.43+deb13-amd64) device-ID: 1002:6613 memory: 1.95 GiB unified: no
  Info: Tools: api: eglinfo,glxinfo de: kscreen-console,kscreen-doctor wl: wayland-info
    x11: xdriinfo, xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 200 Series PCH HD Audio vendor: Gigabyte driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
    alternate: snd_soc_avs bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:a2f0 class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Oland/Hainan/Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon
    HD 7000 Series] vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 3
    speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 8 bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:aab0 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.12.43+deb13-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.4.5 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
    tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Intel Ethernet I219-V vendor: Gigabyte driver: e1000e v: kernel port: N/A
    bus-ID: 00:1f.6 chip-ID: 8086:15b8 class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  Info: services: NetworkManager, nfsd, smbd, systemd-networkd, wpa_supplicant
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 7.27 TiB used: 3.13 GiB (0.0%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Samsung model: SSD 970 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB
    block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 tech: SSD serial: <filter>
    fw-rev: 1B2QEXE7 temp: 30.9 C scheme: GPT
  ID-2: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 model: SATA SSD size: 111.79 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: SSD serial: <filter> fw-rev: 61.3 scheme: GPT
  ID-3: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 vendor: Kingston model: SA400S37120G size: 111.79 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: SSD serial: <filter> fw-rev: 61K1
    scheme: MBR
  ID-4: /dev/sdc maj-min: 8:32 vendor: Western Digital model: WD5000AADS-00S9B0 size: 465.76 GiB
    block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s tech: N/A serial: <filter>
    fw-rev: 0A01 scheme: GPT
  ID-5: /dev/sdd maj-min: 8:48 vendor: Seagate model: ST4000DM004-2CV104 size: 3.64 TiB
    block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: HDD rpm: 5425 serial: <filter>
    fw-rev: 0001 scheme: GPT
  ID-6: /dev/sde maj-min: 8:64 vendor: Seagate model: ST3000DM001-1ER166 size: 2.73 TiB
    block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: HDD rpm: 7200 serial: <filter>
    fw-rev: CC25 scheme: GPT
  ID-7: /dev/sdf maj-min: 8:80 vendor: Generic model: Flash Disk size: 3.75 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: USB rev: 2.0 spd: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 tech: SSD
    serial: <filter> fw-rev: 8.07 scheme: MBR
  SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure?
Partition:
  Message: No partition data found.
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default) zswap: no
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 32 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p10
    maj-min: 259:10
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 42.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 39.0 C
  Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2753 libs: 1536 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala pm: rpm pkgs: 0
    pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.sources
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie main  contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ trixie-security main  contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    3: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie-updates  main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.sources
    1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ trixie main  non-free
    2: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ trixie ahs
Info:
  Memory: total: 32 GiB available: 31.3 GiB used: 2.97 GiB (9.5%)
  Processes: 240 Power: uptime: 35m states: freeze,mem,disk suspend: deep avail: s2idle
    wakeups: 0 hibernate: platform avail: shutdown, reboot, suspend, test_resume image: 12.51 GiB
    services: org_kde_powerdevil,upowerd Init: systemd v: 257 default: graphical tool: systemctl
  Compilers: gcc: 14.2.0 Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.37-release inxi: 3.3.38
Boot Mode: UEFI

BTW:

I wanted to test MX25-KDE-BETA1 with X11 (not Wayland), because 'I Loves Mees My Planks', and I tried installing Plank with the default Wayland session.

Although MXPI (both Popular Apps, and another try with Enabled Repos) responded that Plank installed successfully, when I tried to run it on the Wayland session, the Plank icon in the panel (default, bottom) "bopped" up and down, as if to show that it was about to open, but never opened, and then just disappeared.

So, it looks to me like, at least just running on the live USB, Plank will not work with MX25-KDE, using Wayland.

Like I said in my previous post, Plank installs and runs just fine on MX25-KDE, but using the X11 desktop session.

Can anyone confirm that Plank will not work on the KDE Wayland session?

[re-user]

Hi everyone,
hi dolphin_oracle,
hi fehlix.

Tested a workaround on an installed system about grub 2.12 not showing on some systems.
It works, and i can see grub graphical, but the price are few seconds more waiting for grub.

In my opinion the users with grub 2.12 not showing should be addressed to
uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub and update grub (it works).

The best would be a checkbox to do it in mx tool "boot options",
to wait with style that they solve the regression of grub 2.12.



In details, my thought:
- it is not urgent, after 5 seconds mx25 starts loading anyway
- who desire a grub menu wants a chance to solve problems, graphical or console is not important
- to implement the tested workaround and stabilize it, should cost to all mx user some seconds, unfair
- maybe, one day, they will fix the regression



(If someone curious, it is again from:
https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?65503#comment0
works with my installed system... (sleep .1) but costs few seconds.
When grub-files-mx is updated you will be requested to chose if keep the version you edited.
If you choose not to keep nothing will change until next update grub.)

I'll soon come back to grub console.

[dolphin_oracle]

Hi everyone,
hi dolphin_oracle,
hi fehlix.

Tested a workaround on an installed system about grub 2.12 not showing on some systems.
It works, and i can see grub graphical, but the price are few seconds more waiting for grub.

In my opinion the users with grub 2.12 not showing should be addressed to
uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub and update grub (it works).

The best would be a checkbox to do it in mx tool "boot options",
to wait with style that they solve the regression of grub 2.12.



In details, my thought:
- it is not urgent, after 5 seconds mx25 starts loading anyway
- who desire a grub menu wants a chance to solve problems, graphical or console is not important
- to implement the tested workaround and stabilize it, should cost to all mx user some seconds, unfair
- maybe, one day, they will fix the regression



(If someone curious, it is again from:
https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?65503#comment0
works with my installed system... (sleep .1) but costs few seconds.
When grub-files-mx is updated you will be requested to chose if keep the version you edited.
If you choose not to keep nothing will change until next update grub.)

I'll soon come back to grub console.

thanks for checking. I have to disagree on the time cost though. our workaround is just echoing a space to the console. you just get a cursor while the menu loads instead of a blank screen. **edit*** oh the workaround you posted included a sleep command. yeah, we didn't do that.

and we have to have something that works on read-only live systems, where the user might not be able to edit the file or provide a boot option. and the timeout there may never expire, as a key press will disable it (actually also true of installed systems).

[operadude]

Re: Plank and Wayland session (viewtopic.php?p=833404#p833404), a number of websites say that Plank cannot run in Wayland; so, choose X11 at login screen.

This website/post says that Plank can be run with Wayland, but need to install one package, and set an Environment variable to "trick" Plank:

https://dev.to/jeansen/plank-dock-wich-wayland-fpf

Here's what the guy says:

There are two things you'll have to do. First, make sure you have XWayland installed. In Debian it is as simple as running sudo apt install xwayland. This is a little extra package that makes it possible to run X11 applications with Wayland.

and...

Second, you must overrule Plank in detecting it environment. With the following command I could successfully run Plank and so far I could not make out any differences with respect to X11:

env XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11 GDK_BACKEND=x11 plank &

I'll give those a try, and report back.