MX Moksha "Out of Bodhi" Testing Release RC2

[rokytnji.1]

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@Aceediq
A lot to unpack there..

I don't recall the tty booting conversation, sorry.. Don't give me too much credit though I just know enough to be dangerous and 'Developer' is too big of a hat for me..

To be clear Moksha is not avoiding or rejecting Wayland at all, their fork of Enlightenment (E-17) simply has no Wayland-ready code in it. Wayland was an addition to later versions of Enlightenment and Bodhi serving a large amount of their users on older machines and hardware simply haven't addressed Wayland yet, so they aren't being stubborn about it because it hasn't even been on their radar yet. They have quite a few years to decide if and how they will address it. I can't foresee people who have put as much sweat and toil in something like Bodhi are just going to close shop and quit because of Wayland, I'm sure over time they will figure something out.

Also AV Linux is not leaving MX or becoming a Bodhi version so the Moksha Desktop Environment on it's own is not a determining factor as to whether there is an AV Linux or not. As long as all these pieces fit and work together that's great, if something major changes I will adapt.. I've been doing this one way or another since 2008..

[rokytnji.1]

Computer has no sound jack port. But is done through hdmi. Quick system info will show that.
I get a port with a usb sound dongle. Included lsusb -t to show this in QSI report.
I change over using the dongle with the F6 key in alsamixer.
Adjust and have sound.
That is it. Dual booting with antiX 23.2 on here but I am letting MX handle grub and boot loading.
Just trying out new things is all.
is /etc/lsb-release supposed to have " " on line 2? Instead of Moeshka?
I haven't read over the whole thread yet.
apt upgrade && apt dist-upgrade is already finished.
Pretty much a fresh install.
Live usb was made with antiX live usb maker.
dd is good enough for this scooter tramp.
at least i can write to it since antiX live and mx live saves changes on a live run

[rokytnji.1]

Ran update-pcids and seemed to fix lsb release problem

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$ inxi -S
System:
  Host: shop Kernel: 6.13.8-4-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: Moksha v: 0.4.1.18446 Distro: MX_MOKSHA-23-RC2_x64 Out of Bodhi TBD
hary@shop:~

was wrong, Grub screen still says Debian,

[Aceediq]

@Aceediq
A lot to unpack there..

I don't recall the tty booting conversation, sorry.. Don't give me too much credit though I just know enough to be dangerous and 'Developer' is too big of a hat for me..

To be clear Moksha is not avoiding or rejecting Wayland at all, their fork of Enlightenment (E-17) simply has no Wayland-ready code in it. Wayland was an addition to later versions of Enlightenment and Bodhi serving a large amount of their users on older machines and hardware simply haven't addressed Wayland yet, so they aren't being stubborn about it because it hasn't even been on their radar yet. They have quite a few years to decide if and how they will address it. I can't foresee people who have put as much sweat and toil in something like Bodhi are just going to close shop and quit because of Wayland, I'm sure over time they will figure something out.

Also AV Linux is not leaving MX or becoming a Bodhi version so the Moksha Desktop Environment on it's own is not a determining factor as to whether there is an AV Linux or not. As long as all these pieces fit and work together that's great, if something major changes I will adapt.. I've been doing this one way or another since 2008..

this is better, I thought moksha had made an unchanging stance on the issue of adopting wayland, you prefer jack but look at the solid option you gave by allowing pipewire blossom on AVLinix


I assumed that AVLinux would remain on MX base nevertheless my comments about moksha were made known because no matter how solid mx is, using moksha as the mainstream DE on AVL (assumption) means future decisions by moksha would have an impact on us users of AVLinux

...it wasn't a tty coversation, it was your reply in another thread, not in the respin section, you kinda stated that you preferred tty because it allowed your to see the booting process...

[AVLinux]

Ran update-pcids and seemed to fix lsb release problem

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$ inxi -S
System:
  Host: shop Kernel: 6.13.8-4-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: Moksha v: 0.4.1.18446 Distro: MX_MOKSHA-23-RC2_x64 Out of Bodhi TBD
hary@shop:~

was wrong, Grub screen still says Debian,

Hi,

Thanks for kicking the tires! Yes this RC2 release had missing quotes in line 2 of lsb-release, that is now fixed. I'd be kind of interested in knowing how Moksha compares to antiX in RAM consumption.

[FullScale4Me]

Something I noticed as a part of installing MX Moksha - the kernel parameter 'quiet' is missing from the live session.

People new to Linux may feel a need to pay attention to it (at bootup), assuming they are getting a mass of 'errors' when it's actually just Linux being its 'normal talkative self'.

[rokytnji.1]

. I'd be kind of interested in knowing how Moksha compares to antiX in RAM consumption.

Will show you with firefox running since it consumes the ram.

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harry@shop:~
$  ps ax | head -2 ; sudo ps_mem.py
  PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
    1 ?        Ss     0:00 init [2]
[sudo] password for harry: 
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

128.0 KiB +  24.5 KiB = 152.5 KiB	sleep
140.0 KiB +  33.5 KiB = 173.5 KiB	run-parts
152.0 KiB +  30.5 KiB = 182.5 KiB	seatd
104.0 KiB +  82.5 KiB = 186.5 KiB	sh
116.0 KiB +  85.5 KiB = 201.5 KiB	apt-compat
196.0 KiB +  16.5 KiB = 212.5 KiB	gpm
216.0 KiB +  43.5 KiB = 259.5 KiB	init
224.0 KiB +  36.5 KiB = 260.5 KiB	anacron
312.0 KiB +  28.5 KiB = 340.5 KiB	acpid
292.0 KiB +  58.5 KiB = 350.5 KiB	cron
256.0 KiB + 189.5 KiB = 445.5 KiB	startup
396.0 KiB +  86.5 KiB = 482.5 KiB	dbus-launch
376.0 KiB + 120.5 KiB = 496.5 KiB	icewm-session
360.0 KiB + 145.5 KiB = 505.5 KiB	udevil
432.0 KiB +  98.5 KiB = 530.5 KiB	rpc.statd
520.0 KiB +  33.5 KiB = 553.5 KiB	rpc.idmapd
496.0 KiB +  94.5 KiB = 590.5 KiB	rpcbind
540.0 KiB + 161.5 KiB = 701.5 KiB	xcompmgr
164.0 KiB + 542.0 KiB = 706.0 KiB	saned (2)
484.0 KiB + 402.0 KiB = 886.0 KiB	avahi-daemon (2)
664.0 KiB + 335.5 KiB = 999.5 KiB	devmon
832.0 KiB + 277.0 KiB =   1.1 MiB	dbus-daemon (2)
820.0 KiB + 330.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB	desktop-session
832.0 KiB + 469.0 KiB =   1.3 MiB	getty (6)
  1.6 MiB +  20.5 KiB =   1.6 MiB	smartd
  1.7 MiB +  23.5 KiB =   1.7 MiB	sshd
  1.0 MiB + 764.0 KiB =   1.8 MiB	sudo (2)
  1.8 MiB + 120.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB	connmand
  1.5 MiB + 380.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB	bash
  1.8 MiB + 218.5 KiB =   2.1 MiB	bluetoothd
  2.5 MiB + 719.5 KiB =   3.2 MiB	cupsd
  3.1 MiB +  20.5 KiB =   3.2 MiB	udevd
  3.2 MiB +  15.5 KiB =   3.2 MiB	haveged
  2.7 MiB + 653.5 KiB =   3.4 MiB	at-spi-bus-launcher
  2.8 MiB + 634.5 KiB =   3.4 MiB	wpa_supplicant
  4.1 MiB + 472.5 KiB =   4.6 MiB	conky
  4.1 MiB + 546.5 KiB =   4.7 MiB	slimski
  4.2 MiB + 674.5 KiB =   4.8 MiB	pipewire-pulse
  5.6 MiB +   1.1 MiB =   6.7 MiB	pipewire
  3.6 MiB +   3.6 MiB =   7.2 MiB	volumeicon
  6.4 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   7.8 MiB	icewm
 12.0 MiB +   1.5 MiB =  13.5 MiB	wireplumber
 12.3 MiB +   4.0 MiB =  16.3 MiB	roxterm
 45.7 MiB +  23.2 MiB =  68.9 MiB	Xorg
681.6 MiB + 152.3 MiB = 834.0 MiB	firefox-esr (11)
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                          1.0 GiB
=================================
  

time to reboot

[rokytnji.1]

Not a big difference

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ary@shop:~
$ ps ax | head -2 ; sudo ps_mem.py
    PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
      1 ?        Ss     0:01 /sbin/init splash
[sudo] password for hary:
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

144.0 KiB +  22.5 KiB = 166.5 KiB	fusermount3
188.0 KiB +  21.5 KiB = 209.5 KiB	acpid
228.0 KiB +  31.5 KiB = 259.5 KiB	anacron
240.0 KiB +  59.5 KiB = 299.5 KiB	acpi_fakekeyd
240.0 KiB +  63.5 KiB = 303.5 KiB	agetty
296.0 KiB +  49.5 KiB = 345.5 KiB	cron
284.0 KiB +  77.5 KiB = 361.5 KiB	blkmapd
360.0 KiB +  55.5 KiB = 415.5 KiB	rtkit-daemon
304.0 KiB + 141.5 KiB = 445.5 KiB	x-window-manage
352.0 KiB + 104.5 KiB = 456.5 KiB	rpc.idmapd
428.0 KiB +  78.5 KiB = 506.5 KiB	rpc.statd
540.0 KiB +  14.5 KiB = 554.5 KiB	rpc.mountd
656.0 KiB + 201.5 KiB = 857.5 KiB	rpcbind
484.0 KiB + 502.0 KiB = 986.0 KiB	avahi-daemon (2)
832.0 KiB + 183.5 KiB =   1.0 MiB	xdg-permission-store
  1.0 MiB +  10.5 KiB =   1.0 MiB	ssh-agent
  1.0 MiB +  89.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB	speech-dispatcher
968.0 KiB + 277.5 KiB =   1.2 MiB	at-spi-bus-launcher
932.0 KiB + 319.5 KiB =   1.2 MiB	gvfsd-fuse
  1.0 MiB + 262.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB	at-spi2-registryd
  1.0 MiB + 288.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB	xdg-document-portal
  1.1 MiB + 205.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB	accounts-daemon
  1.2 MiB + 175.5 KiB =   1.4 MiB	upowerd
956.0 KiB + 504.5 KiB =   1.4 MiB	dbus
600.0 KiB + 874.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB	chronyd (2)
  1.1 MiB + 446.5 KiB =   1.5 MiB	gvfsd
  1.4 MiB +  96.5 KiB =   1.5 MiB	nfsdcld
984.0 KiB + 790.0 KiB =   1.7 MiB	sudo (2)
  1.4 MiB + 708.5 KiB =   2.1 MiB	systemd-logind
  2.1 MiB + 111.5 KiB =   2.2 MiB	smartd
  2.1 MiB +  69.5 KiB =   2.2 MiB	rsyslogd
  2.1 MiB + 490.5 KiB =   2.6 MiB	pipewire-pulse
  2.2 MiB + 536.5 KiB =   2.7 MiB	cupsd
  2.7 MiB +  98.5 KiB =   2.8 MiB	bash
  2.2 MiB + 686.5 KiB =   2.8 MiB	systemd-networkd
  1.8 MiB +   1.1 MiB =   2.8 MiB	enlightenment_fm
  2.2 MiB + 743.0 KiB =   2.9 MiB	lightdm (2)
  2.4 MiB + 511.5 KiB =   2.9 MiB	sd_espeak
  2.6 MiB + 525.5 KiB =   3.1 MiB	dbus-daemon (3)
  3.0 MiB + 154.5 KiB =   3.1 MiB	wpa_supplicant
  3.2 MiB +  21.5 KiB =   3.2 MiB	haveged
  2.7 MiB + 805.5 KiB =   3.5 MiB	cups-browsed
  3.4 MiB + 241.5 KiB =   3.6 MiB	polkitd
  3.2 MiB + 863.5 KiB =   4.0 MiB	xdg-desktop-portal
  4.1 MiB + 130.5 KiB =   4.2 MiB	systemd-udevd
  3.2 MiB +   1.5 MiB =   4.7 MiB	xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
  4.1 MiB +   1.3 MiB =   5.4 MiB	efreetd
  2.7 MiB +   2.9 MiB =   5.6 MiB	nmbd
  5.2 MiB + 449.5 KiB =   5.7 MiB	ModemManager
  6.2 MiB + 473.5 KiB =   6.6 MiB	udisksd
  6.0 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   7.4 MiB	pipewire (2)
  6.6 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   7.8 MiB	NetworkManager
  5.3 MiB +   5.4 MiB =  10.7 MiB	systemd (3)
 10.3 MiB + 635.5 KiB =  10.9 MiB	systemd-journald
  4.3 MiB +   7.9 MiB =  12.2 MiB	smbd (3)
 12.0 MiB +   1.7 MiB =  13.7 MiB
   unattended-upgr
 15.0 MiB +   3.6 MiB =  18.6 MiB
   wireplumber
 13.1 MiB +  11.7 MiB =  24.8 MiB
   polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
 20.9 MiB +  18.9 MiB =  39.9 MiB
   nm-applet
 43.6 MiB +   3.7 MiB =  47.3 MiB
   python3.11
 35.4 MiB +  13.6 MiB =  49.0 MiB
   Xorg
 51.1 MiB +   7.1 MiB =  58.2 MiB
   terminology
 70.3 MiB +   7.9 MiB =  78.2 MiB
   enlightenment
676.0 MiB + 133.5 MiB = 809.6 MiB
   firefox-bin (11)
---------------------------------
                          1.3 GiB
=================================
hary@shop:~
$

[AVLinux]

Nice! I'm pleasantly surprised! Moksha gives a lot in appearance without asking for much RAM. Thanks for taking time to share that info!