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DukeComposed wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:40 am

LinuxSpring1 wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:55 am As far as moving to systemd, it will become inevitable by the time this decade is up.

What a sad and defeatist attitude to have about the future.

lol ...This defeatist resigned news is not from LinuxSpring1 but from LinuxWinter1 ;-)

Sad yes. Defeatist No. Maybe realistic is the word.

LinuxSpring1 wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:46 am Sad yes. Defeatist No. Maybe realistic is the word.

I am suggesting that when reading this article (link) https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20240617#qa , that where it reads wayland replace that with systemd, then say no that won't happen unless systemd falls flat on itself then yeah systemd could very likely happen, does that seem realistic that it could happen, I tend to think it could, sad oh definitely it's yes, defeatist no the support we give now to non systemd Linux distros will encourage more developers and creatives to the Tux-side just because systemd have the excess $$$ to push the agenda to better suit Windows who all of a sudden really likes Linux, bit suss.

Maybe it will take that the non-sysd distros work together as a collective of communities to develop software.

Don't know where it's all going be assured thou it will be interesting, minorities always find a way.

artytux wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:14 am just because systemd have the excess $$$ to push the agenda to better suit Windows who all of a sudden really likes Linux, bit suss.

You realize who pays Lennart Poettering's salary, right?

DukeComposed wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:40 am

artytux wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:14 am just because systemd have the excess $$$ to push the agenda to better suit Windows who all of a sudden really likes Linux, bit suss.

You realize who pays Lennart Poettering's salary, right?

I knew the of the name Lennart Poettering and systemd together but never went in-depth about him the who what etc etc just had a quick read about him now, ugh , seems I'm good at keeping my feet warm out in the cow paddock.

The ship has sailed as far as replacement to SysVInit and SystemD is concerned. It is not going to happen. Many of us, myself included, are clinging to the past, i.e. SysVInit. Maybe out of nostalgia. Maybe out of an obstinate urge against change. And yeah I agree that SystemD has ended up making Linux more like Windows. The issue has been that SystemD might follow the Microsoft policy to embrace and extinguish. No offense to Windows, it does what it does pretty decently. If there has to be an alternative to SystemD, like RunIt, OpenRC, S6, etc. then it will have to compete to ability and features.

The pull of conformity cannot be denied. Debian adopted SystemD because of conformity. Debian went for /usr merge, championed by SystemD, because of conformity. And MX Linux is based on Debian.

LinuxSpring1 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:35 am If there has to be an alternative to SystemD, like RunIt, OpenRC, S6, etc. then it will have to compete to ability and features.

The pull of conformity cannot be denied. Debian adopted SystemD because of conformity.

Debian adopted systemd because of a fairly shady and contentious vote by its technical committee.There are plenty of other Linux distros that do not support systemd and have no intention of migrating. Every Solaris-based and BSD operating system does not run systemd and has no ability to port it.

One could even say that to compete with systemd, the advantage lies in not matching its features. The UNIX space existed and thrived for 40 years before Lennart's blog post. It's gonna be just fine. No question that damage has been done and Lennart's harm continues to accrue, but UNIX as a concept and as an implementation is going to survive this, too.

I wonder if MX will have to switch from a Debian base to something else (Devuan, Slackware, BSD) or become like antiX but necessarily include elogind and stuff. For now the shim works, but perhaps not in the long run.

@Artim Actually, I created Devuan based "Storyboard" test edition in the few month ago,
But couldn't porting MX tools (especially MX installer) by my technical ability, That project aborted.

Devuan base MX? I think that's great idea!

Except MX tool porting, "Devuan based Storyboard" is can have a great (similar to MX) experience,
I feel little better performance than MX based storyboard.

But Devuan is built-in SLIM instaed LightDM, and of course have some differences,
A long development time is required to absorb the each differences.

Is it even possible? Devuan base MX? If Mint can have LMDE then maybe, just maybe MX can have Devuan based distro too.