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Posted: **Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:10 am**

Well, this is basically Chromium without that google thing.

Binaries:

https://ungoogled-software.github.io/un ... -binaries/

There is a version for Debian already:

https://ungoogled-software.github.io/un ... ian/latest

Thank you

Posted: **Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:55 am**

I tried to build it a week ago, but kept getting compiler errors that I can't figure out. Since they already provide a repository for you to add, I'm not putting a high priority on it.

The good news is that UGC, like the MX 19 Chromium, also provides va-api hardware accelerated video decoding for streaming video.

Posted: **Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:49 pm**

Yeah it good dev dont forget i386 32bit edition

Posted: **Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:04 pm**

Stevo wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:55 am I tried to build it a week ago, but kept getting compiler errors that I can't figure out. Since they already provide a repository for you to add, I'm not putting a high priority on it.

The good news is that UGC, like the MX 19 Chromium, also provides va-api hardware accelerated video decoding for streaming video.

I tried to build it last year and it was a disaster. Not that my compiling skills are anywhere close to yours, but I agree that it's a rough one. Also since that time I found that Brave gave me everything I wanted from ungoogled-chromium and a lot more, without any of the packaging hassle.

Posted: **Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:12 pm**

putih wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:49 pm Yeah it good dev dont forget i386 32bit edition

They provide Buster i386, amd64, armhf, and arm64 versions already in their repo.
https://software.opensuse.org/download/ ... d_chromium

We only have a few packagers, this program is extremely heavy (almost 700 MB source code in xz archive), and it already failed to build on my system. We can't waste a lot of time reinventing the wheel.

Posted: **Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:49 pm**

Can this be "packaged" for MX-19 similar to the way Chrome and Brave were added to Popular Apps/Browsers, by adding their PPA for Debian Buster then installing their browser? Then you wouldn't have to build and maintain a .deb package from source. Also we helpers could check in MXPI when we see that PPA in their Quick System Info and know that it's OK and has been checked by you packagers.

Posted: **Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:55 pm**

Well, then you'd request that the maintainer(s) of MXPI add that action to "Browsers".

Posted: **Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:57 pm**

Stevo wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:55 pm Well, then you'd request that the maintainer(s) of MXPI add that action to "Browsers".

Oh, is that how that works? I was thinking that the packagers made like a dummy .deb package that ran a script to install the PPAs then the apps or something like that. Live and learn.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:33 am**

No, MX PI can run the script directly to add the not-a-PPA-its-an-OBS-repo-which-is-different to the files in sources.list/d. That'll save the user from having to copy a few lines of code into the terminal, I guess.

Once the repo is added, it can be left enabled to get any updates that are added to it.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:38 am**

Stevo wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:33 am ...the not-a-PPA-its-an-OBS-repo-which-is-different to the files in sources.list/d. ....

I've been requesting JayM not to call every 3rd party repo a PPA, and keep the latter term for actual Ubuntu-package PPA....

Confuses things.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:18 am**

What's an "OBS repo?" Duckduckgo tells me it's Open Broadcaster Software, and OBS by itself can mean Organizational Breakdown Structure or be an abbreviation for obvious, observation or observer. I can't find any mention of it as a type of software repository for Linux/Unix. Never mind, I found it: OpenSuSE Build Service or Open Build Service. Now I'm off to find out what that is and whether it can be used in Debian distros. (Edit: apparently it's for multiple distros per https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Build_Service.)

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:39 am**

"people can package their apps for any distro and create a dedicated repo for distribution"

But non-Ubuntu-based distros don't generally call them PPAs.

Aren't real Ubuntu PPAs add-able with the add-apt-repository command and ppa:[ ] syntax? I read somewhere they are added to a different sources subfolder.

Since most non-Ubuntu distros don't call personal/third party repos a PPA, I feel that it is so much clearer to call them 3rd party repos.

A PPA is a subset of that, but I don't think all 3rd party repos are necessarily PPAs.

For instance, in Fedora world, they are called COPR (Cool Other Package Repo)

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:41 am**

I'll take this discussion elsewhere as it's off-topic here and if I post in the other place the other guides may benefit too. But I'll agree to try to remember to use the term "third-party repos" instead of PPAs. Maybe the FAQ should be changed to do likewise? But again, that's off-topic.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:45 am**

"how can I tell if one is for Ubuntu or not unless it says so in the name?"

The QSI sources section generally shows added PPAs with the word "ppa" , or the Ubuntu release name (e.g. Bionic, Focal, etc) in the relevant line, right?

FOr those that don't have those signs, I would just call them 3rd party repos.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:27 am**

Getting back on topic, can I request for the OP that whoever maintains MXPI add the OBS/3rd-party/whatever repo for Ungoogled Chromium to Popular Apps/Browsers so it adds that repo to their apt sources then installs the browser, just like the entries for Brave and Chrome do? Thanks.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:39 am**

JayM wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:27 am Getting back on topic, can I request for the OP that whoever maintains MXPI add the OBS/3rd-party/whatever repo for Ungoogled Chromium to Popular Apps/Browsers so it adds that repo to their apt sources then installs the browser, just like the entries for Brave and Chrome do? Thanks.

I support that request. Using MX-19 I tried adding the repo in the terminal. It seemed to work, but the repo didn't show up in Synaptic. The ungoogled-chromium packages had arm64 in the name despite I had added the correct Buster repo. Maybe the packages (even amd64) are built from arm source?

Then I tried to download and install ungoogled-chromium amd64 deb directly. That also fails in Gdebi. Unnamed dependency is not satisfied.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:21 am**

I'll look at it for MXPI, but this seems to me to be a weird project.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:30 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:21 am I'll look at it for MXPI, but this seems to me to be a weird project.

Me too. Especially since Chromium is a Google product.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:18 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:21 am I'll look at it for MXPI, but this seems to me to be a weird project.

I probably don't actually understand what I'm requesting. What I think I'm requesting is that Ungoogled Chromium be added to MXPI Popular Apps, Browsers the same way that Brave Browser was added not long ago: installing it from MXPI Pop Apps adds Brave's 3rd-party repo then installs Brave using their packages. Maybe OBS repos work differently? Can you suggest the best way for people to install it without it being added to MXPI?

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:46 pm**

JayM wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:18 pm
dolphin_oracle wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:21 am I'll look at it for MXPI, but this seems to me to be a weird project.
I probably don't actually understand what I'm requesting. What I think I'm requesting is that Ungoogled Chromium be added to MXPI Popular Apps, Browsers the same way that Brave Browser was added not long ago: installing it from MXPI Pop Apps adds Brave's 3rd-party repo then installs Brave using their packages. Maybe OBS repos work differently? Can you suggest the best way for people to install it without it being added to MXPI?

that's what I thought you meant, and that is what I'm going to look at.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:57 pm**

here, try this PM file, (extract and drop it in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist) and then install from the MXPI->Popular Apps->Browsers area and let me know if it works.

I'm pretty sure it will fail if chromium or chromium-common is already installed.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:22 pm**

It worked to add Ungoogled Chromium to MXPI, but after I installed it it looks just like regular Chromium AFAICT. It's about page says "Version 81.0.4044.138 (Developer Build) built on Debian buster/10, running on Debian buster/10 (64-bit)" and I assume that "Developer Build" refers to the ungoogled version? Maybe the OP can try it and see if this is the version he was asking for? I also assume that this is why installation will fail if you already have Chrome or Chromium installed, because this one's identical to Chromum except under the hood somewhere so MXPI will say that it's already installed (I have Vivaldi but not Chrome or Chromium. I don't like them.)

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:34 pm**

JayM wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:22 pm It worked to add Ungoogled Chromium to MXPI, but after I installed it it looks just like regular Chromium AFAICT. It's about page says "Version 81.0.4044.138 (Developer Build) built on Debian buster/10, running on Debian buster/10 (64-bit)" and I assume that "Developer Build" refers to the ungoogled version? Maybe the OP can try it and see if this is the version he was asking for? I also assume that this is why installation will fail if you already have Chrome or Chromium installed, because this one's identical to Chromum except under the hood somewhere so MXPI will say that it's already installed (I have Vivaldi but not Chrome or Chromium. I don't like them.)

Yeah, I'm on the fence on including it because of that. I don't like unclean install actions in Popular Apps. apt reports conflicting files between 2 packages and craps out.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:46 pm**

Maybe just let those who want this browser manually add it as per your instructions and knowing that they'll need to uninstall any existing versions of Chrome and Chromium first.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:08 pm**

You could probably offer up the Iridium browser instead, which is what ungoogled is a fork of. Both projects have the same goals, and Iridium's repos looked more typical to me last time I looked. Hopefully it wouldn't conflict with chromium or chrome. I'll check on it tonight if I have time.

EDIT - never mind, the Iridium browser deb is not being kept up to date, over a year old now.

Posted: **Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:51 am**

dreamer wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:39 am
JayM wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:27 am Getting back on topic, can I request for the OP that whoever maintains MXPI add the OBS/3rd-party/whatever repo for Ungoogled Chromium to Popular Apps/Browsers so it adds that repo to their apt sources then installs the browser, just like the entries for Brave and Chrome do? Thanks.
I support that request. Using MX-19 I tried adding the repo in the terminal. It seemed to work, but the repo didn't show up in Synaptic. The ungoogled-chromium packages had arm64 in the name despite I had added the correct Buster repo. Maybe the packages (even amd64) are built from arm source?

Then I tried to download and install ungoogled-chromium amd64 deb directly. That also fails in Gdebi. Unnamed dependency is not satisfied.

Like chromium, ungoogled-chromium isn't just one deb, it's several. That's why it's easier to install from the repo.

What happens when you follow the instructions given?

Code: Select all

sudo apt-get install ungoogled-chromium

The arm64 thing seems to be a Synaptic issue with OBS repos, but the command line works anyway. I've been using the OBS to build and host Pale Moon for years now, and have had reports of the same thing. Just use the command line. Probably the same thing with my rebuild of MX's Chromium for Debian users that don't want to add MX's repo: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show ... m/chromium

Posted: **Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:45 am**

Stevo wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:51 am
dreamer wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:39 am
JayM wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:27 am Getting back on topic, can I request for the OP that whoever maintains MXPI add the OBS/3rd-party/whatever repo for Ungoogled Chromium to Popular Apps/Browsers so it adds that repo to their apt sources then installs the browser, just like the entries for Brave and Chrome do? Thanks.
I support that request. Using MX-19 I tried adding the repo in the terminal. It seemed to work, but the repo didn't show up in Synaptic. The ungoogled-chromium packages had arm64 in the name despite I had added the correct Buster repo. Maybe the packages (even amd64) are built from arm source?

Then I tried to download and install ungoogled-chromium amd64 deb directly. That also fails in Gdebi. Unnamed dependency is not satisfied.
Like chromium, ungoogled-chromium isn't just one deb, it's several. That's why it's easier to install from the repo.

What happens when you follow the instructions given?
Code: Select all
sudo apt-get install ungoogled-chromium
The arm64 thing seems to be a Synaptic issue with OBS repos, but the command line works anyway. I've been using the OBS to build and host Pale Moon for years now, and have had reports of the same thing. Just use the command line. Probably the same thing with my rebuild of MX's Chromium for Debian users that don't want to add MX's repo: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show ... m/chromium

Thanks, that's good to know. I don't have the repo anymore, but could add it back of course. However:

JayM wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:46 pm Maybe just let those who want this browser manually add it as per your instructions and knowing that they'll need to uninstall any existing versions of Chrome and Chromium first.

If this is true, this browser is a no-go on Linux and shouldn't be added to MXPI IMHO. I don't feel confident about the project anymore. The last thing I need is a browser causing dependency hell. Thanks for your efforts. This just seems dumb, since google chrome is one deb.

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:19 am**

That's funny, I think it removed the chromium packages when I test installed it before trying to rebuild it. Do you remember which one it conflicted with?

Yes, it's going to use Chromium's settings, so should look exactly the same.

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:26 am**

Stevo wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:19 am That's funny, I think it removed the chromium packages when I test installed it before trying to rebuild it. Do you remember which one it conflicted with?

Yes, it's going to use Chromium's settings, so should look exactly the same.

It seems OP has disappeared. I wouldn't put any effort into this.

EDIT: A couple thoughts. There is a "Portable" version that avoids package conflicts. However, profile conflicts will still be problematic. If you want Chromium extensions in Ungoogled Chromium you must use a special extension to access Chrome store. This might conflict with extensions in proper Chromium.

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:48 am**

the conflict was with chromium-common

Posted: **Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:11 am**

dreamer wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:26 am
Stevo wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:19 am That's funny, I think it removed the chromium packages when I test installed it before trying to rebuild it. Do you remember which one it conflicted with?

Yes, it's going to use Chromium's settings, so should look exactly the same.
It seems OP has disappeared. I wouldn't put any effort into this.

EDIT: A couple thoughts. There is a "Portable" version that avoids package conflicts. However, profile conflicts will still be problematic. If you want Chromium extensions in Ungoogled Chromium you must use a special extension to access Chrome store. This might conflict with extensions in proper Chromium.

I have not disappeared, I was regularly following the development of this thread.

About extensions, they are a bit of an hassle with UGC. I know because I am using a portable UGC (by portapps.io) on a Win10 machine (where I can't install anything because it's provided by my employer). However, on that Win10 machine I also have Chrome installed (full installation and also "managed by my organization") and there is no conflict at all between UGC and Chrome.
But (at least in Win10) a portable Chromium/Chrome/UGC/Brave/whatever has some portability real limitations.

In conclusion, thanks again to all who tested and tried a solution. I get this is maybe a niche interest so it should not take much of your time/energy.
Lately I have started using Brave and it is basically ok (at least from a technical standpoint, without any judgement on their business model).

Posted: **Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:13 am**

to be clear, google-chrome does not have a conflict. UGC has a conflict with the current regular chromium packages.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:42 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:13 am to be clear, google-chrome does not have a conflict. UGC has a conflict with the current regular chromium packages.

Does this mean that—if I remove all the mx chromium related packages first—I should be able to add and update UGC from then on?

Posted: **Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:30 am**

Anyone still in here? I try to install UGC via flatpak, but it kept telling me to upgrade flatpak to version higher than 1.8.2. Does anyone know how to upgrade flatpak? Or is there any other way to install UGC?

Edit: Update: I have installed UGC with the binaries downloaded from the github...

Posted: **Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:33 am**

dingdongsolong wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:30 am I try to install UGC via flatpak, but it kept telling me to upgrade flatpak to version higher than 1.8.2. Does anyone know how to upgrade flatpak?

maybe it doesn't matter anymore, but you can upgrade flatpak to version 1.10 with: MX Package Installer > Debian Backports tab > 'flatpak'

Posted: **Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:56 am**

fair warning the chromium flatpaks have been irritating in the past.

Posted: **Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:10 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:56 am fair warning the chromium flatpaks have been irritating in the past.

Would you mind elaborating on what you meant by "irritating"?
Besides, I have encountered a problem while using both chrome and ungoogled chromium. The browser kept lagging and freezing. I have been googling for a while. Do you mind pointing me to a solution and giving your advice on this one? I am using MX-19.

Posted: **Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:16 am**

tony37 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:33 am
dingdongsolong wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:30 am I try to install UGC via flatpak, but it kept telling me to upgrade flatpak to version higher than 1.8.2. Does anyone know how to upgrade flatpak?
maybe it doesn't matter anymore, but you can upgrade flatpak to version 1.10 with: MX Package Installer > Debian Backports tab > 'flatpak'

I have upgraded flatpak following your instructions. Thanks mate! However, there's error message in the middle of the upgrade, saying that the ppa of alexlarsson doesn't provide a file or sth like that. Do you mind explaining what happened?
One more thing, although I have installed UGC with the binaries to the verison 87, under the stable repo there are upgrades to version 89. Maybe someone in the future may want to know this one. Just FYI.

Posted: **Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:32 am**

dingdongsolong wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:16 am I have upgraded flatpak following your instructions. Thanks mate! However, there's error message in the middle of the upgrade, saying that the ppa of alexlarsson doesn't provide a file or sth like that. Do you mind explaining what happened?

My guess is that you tried to enable a ppa to get a newer flatpak version. But ppa's are not recommended because they are meant for Ubuntu. And the newer flatpak version was in Debian-backports anyway.

Posted: **Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:47 am**

dingdongsolong wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:16 am One more thing, although I have installed UGC with the binaries to the verison 87, under the stable repo there are upgrades to version 89. Maybe someone in the future may want to know this one. Just FYI.

a better way to install ungoogled-chromium is given in post #5 by Stevo: so at https://software.opensuse.org/download/ ... d_chromium

Posted: **Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:54 am**

tony37 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:47 am
dingdongsolong wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:16 am One more thing, although I have installed UGC with the binaries to the verison 87, under the stable repo there are upgrades to version 89. Maybe someone in the future may want to know this one. Just FYI.
a better way to install ungoogled-chromium is given in post #5 by Stevo: so at https://software.opensuse.org/download/ ... d_chromium

Actually the upgrading through the stable repo is just the same, as during the process it's fetching the new version from opensuse.

Posted: **Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:26 am**

dingdongsolong wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:10 am
dolphin_oracle wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:56 am fair warning the chromium flatpaks have been irritating in the past.
Would you mind elaborating on what you meant by "irritating"?
Besides, I have encountered a problem while using both chrome and ungoogled chromium. The browser kept lagging and freezing. I have been googling for a while. Do you mind pointing me to a solution and giving your advice on this one? I am using MX-19.

Any ideas on this? The freezes render UGC unusable.

Posted: **Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:52 pm**

dingdongsolong wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:10 am
dolphin_oracle wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:56 am fair warning the chromium flatpaks have been irritating in the past.
Would you mind elaborating on what you meant by "irritating"?
Besides, I have encountered a problem while using both chrome and ungoogled chromium. The browser kept lagging and freezing. I have been googling for a while. Do you mind pointing me to a solution and giving your advice on this one? I am using MX-19.

You mentioned "chrome"...did you mean chromium instead of Google Chrome?
Have you tried disabling the hardware acceleration for the GUI for either one?

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:28 am**

https://github.com/ungoogled-software/u ... ium-debian

1) UGC - install UGC in Terminal
Note - before you start, you need to uninstall your existing version of Chrome and/or Chromium, otherwise it will conflict with UGC

echo 'deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositori ... an_Buster/ /' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home-ungoogled_chromium.list > /dev/null
curl -s 'https://download.opensuse.org/repositor ... elease.key' | gpg --dearmor | sudo tee /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/home-ungoogled_chromium.gpg > /dev/null
sudo apt update
sudo apt install -y ungoogled-chromium-l10n

2) Extension - Chromium.Web.Store

a) How To
https://avoidthehack.com/manually-insta ... d-chromium

b) Release
https://github.com/NeverDecaf/chromium- ... /releases/

3) Chrome Web Store page
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/extensions

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:32 am**

Once you fire up UGC - go to Settings and select Duck-Duck Go as your default Search engine
OR
You can add Google to the list, rinse and repeat :)

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:37 am**

Have a quick read - https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/how-to ... xperience/

Posted: **Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:48 am**

I found ungoogled Chromium on Flatpak, however I wasn't able to install it.
I kept getting an error saying it requires a later version of Flatpak (Namely 1.8.2)

To my understanding, MX's current version of Flatpak is way behind at 1.2.5.

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