What do you want MX25 to be.?

[AVLinux]

I particularly hope they continue with XFCE and Fluxbox, as well as Sysvinit and X11.

Hi, I agree wholeheartedly but I'm also thankful that the Live system now supports both systemd and sysvinit so Live ISO's can be made to suit all DE's with whatever init system best supports them instead of systemd only being an option post-install. I also don't think X11 will be in any immediate danger within Debian, certainly not in Trixie and not very likely whatever is next which is getting us several years down the road.

[m_pav]

@Jakob77 There is this thing in many industries called "Best Practices" and it's there for good reason.

The thing you request goes directly against Best Practices in 2 ways.
1) You're asking us to add a known vulnerability into our builds with the /usr/bin path entry, that would become a point of crucifixion towards our good name.
2) Your'e suggesting we add stuff to the default user folders set by the Xfce devs which complies with industry standards. To do this would be to invite ongoing insult and angst from the Linux community, reviewers and like, so like the former, it ain't gonna happen.

You can do whatever you like with your system, you have the power to do so and if you're so inclined, make your own respin for public release, but realise there are requirements of doing such, like becoming the primary support agent for your own respin and calling it by a name that is not MX Linux. However, to do so would be to quickly invite unhappy returns on your work for the 2 reasons above.

[uncle mark]

With that in mind, perhaps MX Linux 25 could somehow have one edition especially for newbies where everything just worked out of the box. The right office, multimedia, netwoking software to get them started. There are a lot of other distros that hype that premise, but the real truth is that with so many different PC's and laptops, it's difficult to keep up with required software.

I couldn't let this go without commenting.

This is exactly what MX provides already. I've set up several Linux installs for people, and they are essentially untouched, OOTB installs. People just dive right in and I never hear from them again.

[MikeR]

Quoth @uncle mark :

This is exactly what MX provides already. I've set up several Linux installs for people, and they are essentially untouched, OOTB installs.

+1

Mike

[user101]

If you have some demands or wishes for MX25 Xfce just write about them below.

My wishes are for better usability for Linux in general.

change defaults:
* xfce horizontal task bar, not vertical
* double-click as default, not single-click
* remove all forms of transparency as default
* Search Menu box on the bottom by default
* Conky disabled by default. I still remember how difficult this was to disable when first trying MX Linux. No easy mouse-driven way to disable it, so it took me ages (days) before I found out what it was called, and then I finally disabled it. Useless for people who just want to use their computers, which is most of us.
* allow me to uncheck the Time server without it being re-enabled
* allow users to choose solid-colour backgrounds (wallpaper) in a sane way. I cannot believe how crazy it currently is.
* prevent MX Cleanup from deleting shortcuts that I have created to my apps. It took me some time to find out it was doing this.
* having to change ownership of a DATA partition that users create during MX Setup in order to use it properly is very unfriendly. A separate GUI utility should be offered for this, if the whole Permissions problem can't be eliminated.
* system-wide thicker scrollbars
* eliminate the 'requires-extreme-precision-to-resize-a-window' problem by default
* yellow folders by default
* mounting drives and partitions properly (not seeing those light grey icons that you have to click on before they are properly available) was an issue for me
* easy mouse-driven way to change Date & Time (and many other Settings) by clicking on them! (which has been available on other OSs for eternity)
* make appearance / settings changes far more cohesive and user-friendly by taking some of those MX Tweak items and other settings and placing them where it makes more sense & can easily be searched
* make the complete elimination of MX Linux desktop wallpaper far more user-friendly, including those brief unwanted flashes of MX Linux wallpaper that occur when the machine starts up, before it loads your own

[DukeComposed]

My wishes are for better usability for Linux in general.

change defaults:
[snip 16 gripes]

I don't think Xfce is the right DE for you.

[user101]

My wishes are for better usability for Linux in general.

change defaults:
[snip 16 gripes]

I don't think Xfce is the right DE for you.

It is. It is fast, which I enjoy. Better defaults needed.

[DukeComposed]

It is. It is fast, which I enjoy. Better defaults needed.

Other DEs are fast, too, and don't contain a bunch of things you seem not to like about them.

[user101]

It is. It is fast, which I enjoy. Better defaults needed.

Other DEs are fast, too, and don't contain a bunch of things you seem not to like about them.

I have tried several. Thanks so much for your 'concern'...

[CharlesV]

If you have some demands or wishes for MX25 Xfce just write about them below.

My wishes are for better usability for Linux in general.

change defaults:
* xfce horizontal task bar, not vertical
* double-click as default, not single-click
* remove all forms of transparency as default
* Search Menu box on the bottom by default
* Conky disabled by default. I still remember how difficult this was to disable when first trying MX Linux. No easy mouse-driven way to disable it, so it took me ages (days) before I found out what it was called, and then I finally disabled it. Useless for people who just want to use their computers, which is most of us.
* allow me to uncheck the Time server without it being re-enabled
* allow users to choose solid-colour backgrounds (wallpaper) in a sane way. I cannot believe how crazy it currently is.
* prevent MX Cleanup from deleting shortcuts that I have created to my apps. It took me some time to find out it was doing this.
* having to change ownership of a DATA partition that users create during MX Setup in order to use it properly is very unfriendly. A separate GUI utility should be offered for this, if the whole Permissions problem can't be eliminated.
* system-wide thicker scrollbars
* eliminate the 'requires-extreme-precision-to-resize-a-window' problem by default
* yellow folders by default
* mounting drives and partitions properly (not seeing those light grey icons that you have to click on before they are properly available) was an issue for me
* easy mouse-driven way to change Date & Time (and many other Settings) by clicking on them! (which has been available on other OSs for eternity)
* make appearance / settings changes far more cohesive and user-friendly by taking some of those MX Tweak items and other settings and placing them where it makes more sense & can easily be searched
* make the complete elimination of MX Linux desktop wallpaper far more user-friendly, including those brief unwanted flashes of MX Linux wallpaper that occur when the machine starts up, before it loads your own

... and 80% of your "wish list" is 100% NOT what I want!!

The beauty of Linux is that you can make it pretty much anything you want.. and change it how YOU like. And remember please.. there are A TON of people out there that like things different from you! Almost ALL of your "wish list" can be done in less than an hour - once you know what your doing.. so .. if you really want to run linux ... learn it and be glad that you CAN make those things work like you want it.

And if XFCE doesnt ring your bell... then KDE or one of the other DE's. But dont change MY default's please!