Why only KDE, XFCe and Fluxbox

[Joseph DeGarmo]

Looks like I have to cancel the plans for a Budgie spin. I tried to run the Budgie desktop on a pre-installed CinnaMX and after logging out of the Budgie session, logging back into it results in a session crash EVERY FRIGGIN' TIME!!! It did not seem to occur on a live session, so I don't know what the problem is.

EDIT: After one more attempt, I discovered that the Budgie login error occurs on MX Linux's default init system, but does not seem to have any issues logging in when the system is running on systemd mode! So it appears that Budgie and GNOME apparently use systemd as a dependency to avoid issues. So I'll look further into this and attempt to throw the CinnaMX working build into systemd permanently to allow a Budgie session.

[Tony45]

I downloaded Budgie from Solus website
Trying to install , in the configuration period, it refuses to recognise the EFI bootloader , no matter what I do. It stalls ! ! Only when I say << no bootloader >> it carries on
Maybe there is a relationship with your rebooting and crashing
Please note, I am just guessing here
This is the first time in 20 years and after 384 linux-iso installs ( just joking )1

Whatever you make........I will try :-)

[Joseph DeGarmo]

I downloaded Budgie from Solus website
Trying to install , in the configuration period, it refuses to recognise the EFI bootloader , no matter what I do. It stalls ! ! Only when I say << no bootloader >> it carries on
Maybe there is a relationship with your rebooting and crashing
Please note, I am just guessing here
This is the first time in 20 years and after 384 linux-iso installs ( just joking )1

Whatever you make........I will try :-)

I guess in this case, if I could get MX Linux on systemd permanently and if MX Snapshot functions properly on it, then I could just build a Budgie respin from scratch. BTW, I hope you downloaded the updated ISO for CinnaMX 2.1 since the download link previously pointed to the wrong ISO.

[Tony45]

---->>then I could just build a Budgie respin from scratch.
That would be my preference ( instead of ( CinnaMX-Full
I believe the Solus-Budgie uses Pipewire instead of PulseAudio

---->> I hope you downloaded the updated ISO for CinnaMX 2.1 since the download link previously pointed to the wrong ISO.
Yes I did, but the old one ( I call it CinnaMX v1 ) is still my favourite
Memory: free -m=695 whereas the latest is : free -m=950
Thats a difference of 250
For normal standard operations it is not important at all, but for piano-music-latency there is a difference
And specially if you have 10 year old hardware ( which is my case )

That's why I am interested in Budgie. A possible solution for my latency issue

[Tony45]

I just now ( 15 minutes ago ) I found out we have a BudgieRespin already ? ?
https://versaweb.dl.sourceforge.net/pro ... so?viasf=1

Have a look there !

[Joseph DeGarmo]

I just now ( 15 minutes ago ) I found out we have a BudgieRespin already ? ?
https://versaweb.dl.sourceforge.net/pro ... so?viasf=1

Have a look there !

I tried it before. It's just the vanilla Budgie desktop. It does not have Pix, which is needed to change wallpapers on Budgie and it does not default to systemd, which is needed for Budgie and GNOME to function properly.

[Tony45]

OK thanks for the tip

I wait :-)

[LinuxSpring1]

To give a comparison the Linux Mint team some years ago made releases with at least six DEs and WMs, they have since dropped all but three Cinnamon, Mate and Xfce due to only having so many devs and other resources.

There are other distros that do make releases with more DEs and WMs, but from what I have seen they have few to no tools developed in house.

Isnt Mate GNOME 2? i.e. the breakup of GNOME project when the real GNOME project migrated to GNOME 3. Mint could have gone with GNOME 3 itself. Always wondered why not GNOME 3 but GNOME 2 (i.e. MATE). Was it because of some issues with GNOME 3? And why not KDE?

I get the point that you are marking and what was made earlier in this thread. The Distro's team determines the best possible combination of DE/WMs to support. Based on the manpower and feedback from the community at large

It is striking that almost all of the Linux Distros provide Xfce, It must really be better than LXDE and other light weight DE.

[asqwerth]

Gnome 2 used gtk2. MATE uses a similar interface but with the upgraded newer gtk3 toolkit, as far as I know.

But unlike Gnome devs, Mate/Mint devs chose to not to use client-side decorations in their gtk3 implementation.

[Joseph DeGarmo]

Two desktops, GNOME and Budgie in particular, are not in the maintainer's interest. GNOME is dependent on systemd to function properly. Budgie uses the GNOME stack, so it needs systemd as well. It is possible to use either of those desktops on MX Linux, but if you do so, then you should run MX Linux on systemd full-time to avoid session crashes. Personally, with a couple of workarounds, I've had fewer issues on Budgie than GNOME when testing those desktops on MX Linux.