MX Linux Forum

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:57 pm**

Hi,

It is not completely unexpected to me that changing Desktop Environments in AV Linux 23 has not been unanimously well-received, I get that people don't like change and everybody has different tolerances to learning new things. I am however quite disappointed with how many people have posted complaints, or posted scathing reviews in various places (ie Distrowatch) and not bothered to ask for specific help or clearly identify what the actual observed issues were and just said things like "nothing works!" "everything is broken" "this sucks!". Let me be VERY clear... I use AV Linux MX Edition EVERY day 24/7, I produce all kinds of published Graphics/Audio/Video with it and it does every single thing I expect it to and many things that competitive projects haven't thought about yet, you may not like it, you may not understand how everything works (yet) but I assure you, it works! I'm far from perfect and AV Linux reflects that but I can't fix what I don't hear about and it's going to take some effort on both sides to correctly identify and fix things.

From day one in 2008 AV Linux has been first and foremost my own daily production system and from there something that is shared with the intention that if it's useful to me, it may be useful to others... When I make changes they are for a good reason and they are often long-researched before they are implemented, AV Linux was originally created with the original GTK2 LXDE, when it became clear that LXDE had too many limitations I moved to XFCE4 and when my recent situation changed to higher resolution 4K displays and with Wayland looming I had to think about other options (for me XFCE4 at high resolutions is far from ideal) I have no interest in Gnome or KDE so the only other avenue to try was Enlightenment and I tried it and I myself had quite a long period of getting used to it's quirks and I released my MXDE-EFL 21.X Respins to collect data and do a trial run of Enlightenment at which point I made it very clear that this was the intended Desktop Environment of AV Linux on Debian Bookworm/MX-23. If people feel this whole AV Linux Enlightenment thing has been a big rip-off and somebody has pulled the rug out from under you I'm sorry you feel that way but it wasn't exactly a secret. I have never guaranteed anything to anybody.. Many projects have promised big and come and gone over the years (JACKLab, MusiX, Dream Studio, Tango Studio, KXStudio ISO to name a few) and I'm still here.

Enlightenment for AV Linux is not going anywhere so that is probably the first thing to clarify, however of course I am interested in people getting the most out of AV Linux once they understand the basic guiding motivations behind it... I would like to update the ISO to smooth out some issues that have presented themselves since the initial release, this will also align with the recent MX-23.2 update. From reports in various places it appears the biggest hurdles to fix have been:

- Finding and changing the Keyboard layout for non-English Users has been too difficult..
- Some systems booting sysvinit have backlght issues dimming the lightDM Login screen due to Enlightenment resetting backlight to 0..
* It is strongly suggested to boot Enlightenment with systemd once installed because it is developed primarily for systemd usage which improves the backlight issue.
- Using Enlightenment's Screen setup for multi-head setups can be problematic for out of the ordinary setups.
- Installing new locales is not very clear (MX released a locale tool a week after AVL was released)
- Windows could appear outside the screen limits on occasion..

Are there other suggestions or solutions that could be included?

*Added suggestions (for me to keep track)

- Add system-config-printer, it got missed somehow...
- Ensure Enlightenment "Don't fade backlight" is enabled by default.
- Persistence of live changes into the installed system?
- Add MX Menu Editor

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:13 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:57 pm Hi,

posted scathing reviews in various places (ie Distrowatch) and not bothered to ask for specific help or clearly identify what the actual observed issues were

I saw that on Monday Jesse does have that, this leaning on the cynical it's the users comment that shine a good light on your works, maybe a few words over there from you wouldn't hurt. ? .

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:46 pm**

I read the DW review, not at all impressed with the reviewer, but that's their job and ours is to rise above them and show them we're the grown ups and they're "that kid" who wants everything for nothing then disrespects what they have and thinks they have a right to do so.

As for the 3rd gen Intel not running with SysVinit, he probably had a stupid BIOS setting in place.

Anyway, I think you've done very well. One thing I recall was the complaint of having only the localhost:631 print support, so maybe add system-config-printer to your packages list.

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:00 pm**

m_pav wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:46 pm I read the DW review, not at all impressed with the reviewer, but that's their job and ours is to rise above them and show them we're the grown ups and they're "that kid" who wants everything for nothing then disrespects what they have and thinks they have a right to do so.
As for the 3rd gen Intel not running with SysVinit, he probably had a stupid BIOS setting in place.

Anyway, I think you've done very well. One thing I recall was the complaint of having only the localhost:631 print support, so maybe add system-config-printer to your packages list.

Thanks, appreciated!

Yes, that's a good one, thanks for the reminder!

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:06 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:57 pm - Some systems booting sysvinit have backlght issues dimming the lightDM Login screen due to Enlightenment resetting backlight to 0..

@AVLinux
I'm not sure if this is relevant or not but whenever I install Enlightenment (be it AVL edition or from the repo) the first thing I have to do is turn off the dimming of the backlight.
(Enlightenment settings > Look > Compositor > General > check mark the box Don't fade backlight and click apply)

If I don't do this and I reboot, my grub screen (and/or BIOS screen if I go into it) will be 50% dimmed until the desktop comes back up. It will happen with both sys-v and systemd.

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Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:27 pm**

@siamhie

Good point and thanks for confirming that this works, I don't have any machines that exhibit this particular issue so I'm relying on other people to confirm, I will make sure that is checked off as part of the default Enlightenment setup on the next ISO, appreciated!

Posted: **Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:07 am**

I see you. It's incredibly frustrating as a creator to get vague complaints. It may even be better if there weren't any reviews at all as opposed to vague nonsense.

With that said, I'm afraid I probably won't be of much help here as I do very little audio/video work and I also don't have the first clue about Linux's audio and video subsystems as they relate to creative works.

Posted: **Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:58 am**

I just read that review from Jeff Siegel @ DW. Is he taking the piss? (British slang for meaning to mock at the expense of others, or to be joking, without the element of offense)

However, no one using modern hardware should have to struggle to boot a modern Linux distro anymore. But that's what happened here

He then proceeds to review this release on a 12 year old laptop that is a dual core Intel i5-3317U (1.7GHz) with 4GB RAM and a 128GB SSD drive.

There were problems
The second installation took twice as long, but don't hold that against the installer. It's the fault of the distro, which didn't load after I shut down the computer and came back to it the next day.

No, I'm going to chalk this up to your choice of testing hardware.
If your going to review a modern distro, at least use (somewhat) modern hardware.

Posted: **Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:54 am**

Heh!

In my original post I was talking about User comments on the DW AVL page itself, I had no idea there was a full review!!

That was not a day-brightener to discover... Very ironic really, I never submitted AVL to Distrowatch, years ago it just appeared on there and it has bobbed up and down in the lower part of the top 100 for most of it's life.. I've never asked for a full review and of course for the many years it was in a steady-state with XFCE4 nobody there reviewed it which was fine... So weird that they randomly review this release which between Enlightenment and PipeWire is completely different than all previous ones (and obviously still needing tweaks).. Oh well, a good week for some humbling I guess..

Posted: **Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:57 am**

What I would do: compile a list of things that people complained about, eliminate trolling and stupid commends and then go down the list and try to fix what can be fixed then post a test, "Beta" or "RC" and let people bang on it for a bit before you release.

Posted: **Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:07 pm**

Adrian wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:57 am What I would do: compile a list of things that people complained about, eliminate trolling and stupid commends and then go down the list and try to fix what can be fixed then post a test, "Beta" or "RC" and let people bang on it for a bit before you release.

Good advice that I have no argument for, other than limited time (which plagues most Linux projects, thank God my partner is understanding..) and my upload speeds are still quite terrible and AVL is a big ISO, but a good reminder for sure especially for a release with an unprecedented amount of changes.. As always I am extremely indebted to you guys on the dev team, I will work harder and make you proud I promise!

Posted: **Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:29 pm**

artytux wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:13 pm
AVLinux wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:57 pm Hi,

posted scathing reviews in various places (ie Distrowatch) and not bothered to ask for specific help or clearly identify what the actual observed issues were
I saw that on Monday Jesse does have that, this leaning on the cynical it's the users comment that shine a good light on your works, maybe a few words over there from you wouldn't hurt. ? .

Hi!

FWIW I posted a comment (38) on the review, hopefully will shed some light on the 'darkness' (backlight darkness that is...)

Posted: **Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:12 pm**

I am very satisfied with this new version. Of course, there have been some small problems, but they have been solved. This has been a big change, but a good one. Of course, things always get better with time. Thanks to Glen for this. I'm thankful.

On the weekend, song writing again and mixing work throughout the week. All with this new cool version. AVL-MXe 23.1 “Enlightened"

Posted: **Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:46 pm**

SjzstudioMK wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:12 pm I am very satisfied with this new version. Of course, there have been some small problems, but they have been solved. This has been a big change, but a good one. Of course, things always get better with time. Thanks to Glen for this. I'm thankful.

On the weekend, song writing again and mixing work throughout the week. All with this new cool version. AVL-MXe 23.1 “Enlightened"

Thanks, that is appreciated!

Look forward to hearing your new work!

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:38 pm**

Hi,

Mentioned in a couple of places were that changes to the Live session were not carried through into the installed system (this is not a feature I've used personally) I've had my people reach out to the installer people and will look into it..

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:43 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:38 pm Hi,

Mentioned in a couple of places were that changes to the Live session were not carried through into the installed system (this is not a feature I've used personally) I've had my people reach out to the installer people and will look into it..

Did they even select that checkbox? We'd need the minstall.log to have an idea what happened...

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2024 1:09 pm**

Thank Adrian,

Will try to get those on any future reports

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:37 pm**

While it may seem like I am being a kiss-butt, I assure I am not... Had to put that disclaimer out there first lol! Glen, sir,? You have been a dream come true for this guy down here in the USA! I have been in love with Enlightenment WM and Linux and the possibility of someday making music in Linux a viable dream waaaay back in 1999 and 2000 when I was first introduced to this "Xwindows" and Linux, the Penguin OS, and I gotta tell ya.. You made that dream come TRUEEEE!!!! I can tell you that I did not even put my suggestion of using E as the main desktop with your AVL-MXE and yet here we are! LOL! I did use E16 with your 2020 editions that I hacked to death for my enjoyment and I was gonna make a respin that used E16/17 as the default desktops for AVL-MXE but you beat me to it with the MX-EFL series you released a while back and I do remember commenting on that as well. While it is not ME that made AVL or AVL-MXE, I gotta tell ya, I was hurt when I heard that your gracious work was being bad mouthed and complained about so much.. Your rant on this subject line here? I felt your frustration.. All that to say, THANKYOU!!!! ....
THANKYOU.. And... thankyou.

Oh, oops, O almost forgot.. suggestions or improvements right: Since you are using E as the desktop and EFL as the widget set, hows about Entrance login manager which is still available both at Enlightenment.org and a precompiled binary is available from Elive Enlightenment OS distro(It hurt and felt good to say that lol, as I came up with this idea for a E centric distro or OS back in 2001-2003 but did not know enough to make it happen myself). I used Entrance in SOAD Linux and it was sooo perty! I tried it on MX too but qt5 to gtk theming seems to break when I used it so I had to revert to lightDM.. Still on standby for a solution as I did post a topic on that here a while back.

The other suggestion would be to just make the custom packages for your lovely distro available to download should we need them as I again asked you a while back too. Other than that? You got this!!!

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:09 pm**

Hi pianokeyjoe, thanks for the comments!

Being bad-mouthed or complained about goes with the territory and I can take that just fine if I'm at least given a description of the problem and an opportunity to fix it..

As far as Entrance it is reportedly buggy (at least the Arch E Wiki says so) and if it's buggy and not in the actual Debian or MX Repos I'm afraid I'm not too interested, I already have annoyed enough people with things that don't work like they expect...

Posted: **Sat Mar 09, 2024 2:36 pm**

If I remember right the "vanilla" Enlightenment goes through a "customizing Dialog" when started for the first time. Maybe this would be a neat feature for one of the future releases of AVLinux with it being adapted in some sort.

Posted: **Sat Mar 09, 2024 3:09 pm**

Yes, that is true..

However Enlightenment requires it's setup "wizard" code to be rewritten for custom purposes and that is not an avenue I'm going to take, I'd rather continue to polish the default presentation because AVL requires a LOT of specialized settings in Enlightenment.

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:09 am**

AVLinux wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:57 pm I would like to update the ISO to smooth out some issues that have presented themselves since the initial release, this will also align with the recent MX-23.2 update. From reports in various places it appears the biggest hurdles to fix have been:

- Finding and changing the Keyboard layout for non-English Users has been too difficult..
...
* It is strongly suggested to boot Enlightenment with systemd once installed because it is developed primarily for systemd usage which improves the backlight issue.
...
- Installing new locales is not very clear (MX released a locale tool a week after AVL was released)

I choosed a german keyboard layout on installation, but got an en-US layout.
Then I tried setxkbmap de and mx-locale for to change the layout to no avail.
Question: what could I try else?
I assume that my problem is not related to systemd or is it?

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:41 am**

cinclus wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:09 am I choosed a german keyboard layout on installation, but got an en-US layout.
Then I tried setxkbmap de and mx-locale for to change the layout to no avail.
Question: what could I try else?
I assume that my problem is not related to systemd or is it?

Yes, this is a big point of confusion.. Enlightenment itself needs the keyboard layout set in addition to the regular system keyboard settings. According to another German User viewtopic.php?t=79426 you will need to add the German layout and then remove the US English layout

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:12 pm**

I'm still looking for my wi-fi issue. For me that's been a hiccup. But I'm still testing recording this week. I'm an audio guy having used mac and windows for the work. If I were to say something would be nice to have for me would be clearer wi-fi troubleshooting. The connman explanation in the upper left corner did not do it for me. One thing that I like in all of my computers is an office suite. Particularly word processing and spreadsheet. I've used LibreOffice since StarOffice 5.2. But I would be okay with Abiword and Gnumeric for no more than I do. I like having somewhere for notes and time. On Linux I use Evolution over Thunderbird for a mail client, but I would be good with either one. If that could be included as part of the initial install, that would be great.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:36 am**

AVLinux wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:41 am

Thanks. This additional step solved the problem.
Another problem I found with wine is this:
Unlike in MX 23.2 wine exits from Word 2003 (or Excel 2003) in AV Linux 23.1 with an error saying something like "Word (or Excel) was terminated unexpectedly".
What could possibly be the cause?

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:37 am**

Do you have the same version of Wine on both systems? Or is one system using Wine from MX Test? I simply install whatever version of Wine-Staging that MX regular Repo provides and I only test it with Windows VST Audio Plugins and no other Windows applications.

Do you have Wine configured for the same version of Windows on both systems?

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:17 am**

I don't follow AV Linux that much but here's some food for thought:

If you make breaking UI changes like changing the desktop environment, I would suggest doing it in a major release rather than a minor one (eg. 23 to 24, not 23.1 to 23.2). A minor release implies that the UI should be more or less the same, just a few features (maybe) and a whole lotta bug fixes. Then again, this is why I hate date-based versioning, and semantic versioning is better.

Also was much warning given before the changes? Users hate their things changing for no apparent reason.

I do notice the installer says "MX Linux" on it. You could change the name to "AV Linux" if you are so inclined in the installer.conf file (disclaimer: this is a technical suggestion only, not official advice, endorsement, comment, request, suggestion, or any such similar communication from, or representing, MX Linux), there are a bunch of things that can be customised also.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:40 pm**

AK-47 wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:17 am I don't follow AV Linux that much but here's some food for thought:

If you make breaking UI changes like changing the desktop environment, I would suggest doing it in a major release rather than a minor one (eg. 23 to 24, not 23.1 to 23.2). A minor release implies that the UI should be more or less the same, just a few features (maybe) and a whole lotta bug fixes. Then again, this is why I hate date-based versioning, and semantic versioning is better.

Also was much warning given before the changes? Users hate their things changing for no apparent reason.

I do notice the installer says "MX Linux" on it. You could change the name to "AV Linux" if you are so inclined in the installer.conf file (disclaimer: this is a technical suggestion only, not official advice, endorsement, comment, request, suggestion, or any such similar communication from, or representing, MX Linux), there are a bunch of things that can be customised also.

Hi @AK-47 , thanks for all of your hard work on MX and the installer!

To be clear as I explained in the first post (I don't want to come across as sounding snarky) I did not change DE's with a major release, I waited until Bookworm and MX-23 was released and during the time of Bullseye/MX-21 I even took time to release an in-development version of the next AV Linux with the new DE so people could even get acquainted and try it out before the next major release.. The new DE should not have been a surprise to anyone paying attention.. This thread is not about changing the DE now in midstream (it was already changed on the first MX 23-based ISO release), it's about improving some things on an updated ISO to make things smoother because I couldn't foresee every potential issue with my limited hardware nor could I test other languages/locales very effectively until AVL 23 was out in the wild..

Thanks for the notes about the Installer conf. I'm very grateful to be using MX after many years in the Debian+ 3rd party Installer wilderness, the "AV Linux MX Edition" in the name since I arrived here makes no secret of the fact that what little I'm doing is on the big shoulders of MX (and antiX) I feel no need to mask the identity of MX or it's Installer although I have modified the MX-Welcome greeter to me more specific about AVL it's still called "MX-Welcome". You and the team deserve the credit and exposure for what you're doing and I'm a super-fan myself so I don't need or want to conceal the source of the wheels and chassis..

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:50 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:37 am Do you have the same version of Wine on both systems? Or is one system using Wine from MX Test?
...
Do you have Wine configured for the same version of Windows on both systems?

Same version of wine and same version of Windows on both systems.
But will test it again from a pristine install when I am back from a trip.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:37 pm**

i am re-testing av linux 23 on a usb live.
i am finding two issues right now:
one not important: firewall not working for some guwf issue
one very important : redshift cannot locate geoclue, wayland and then the next pop up says that enlightment is not able to run redshift

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System:    Kernel: 6.0.0-10.1-liquorix-amd64 [6.0-6~mx21+1] x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
           parameters: audit=0 intel_pstate=disable hpet=disable rcupdate.rcu_expedited=1 
           BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.0.0-10.1-liquorix-amd64 root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet 
           threadirqs splash 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.18.1 tk: Gtk 3.24.24 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm 4.18.0 vt: 7 
           dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP G62 Notebook PC 
           v: 0497100000252710001020000 serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 143A v: 60.20 serial: <filter> BIOS: Hewlett-Packard 
           v: F.09 date: 05/19/2010 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 30.3 Wh (100.0%) condition: 30.3/62.0 Wh (48.8%) volts: N/A 
           min: 12.4 model: HP type: Li-ion serial: N/A status: Full 
CPU:       Info: Dual Core model: Intel Core i3 M 330 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Nehalem 
           family: 6 model-id: 25 (37) stepping: 2 microcode: 11 cache: L2: 3 MiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 17022 
           Speed: 1508 MHz min/max: 933/2133 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 2128 2: 2128 3: 2128 
           4: 2128 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled 
           Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT vulnerable 
           Type: mds status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT vulnerable 
           Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI 
           Type: mmio_stale_data status: Unknown: No mitigations 
           Type: retbleed status: Not affected 
           Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl 
           Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
           Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, IBPB: conditional, IBRS_FW, STIBP: 
           conditional, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected 
           Type: srbds status: Not affected 
           Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 
           v: kernel bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0046 class-ID: 0300 
           Device-2: AMD Park [Mobility Radeon HD 5430/5450/5470] vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: N/A alternate: radeon, amdgpu bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:68e0 class-ID: 0300 
           Device-3: Acer HP Webcam-101 type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 1-1.3:3 
           chip-ID: 5986:0149 class-ID: 0e02 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.14 compositor: compton v: 1 driver: loaded: intel 
           display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1 
           Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1366x768 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 361x203mm (14.2x8.0") 
           s-diag: 414mm (16.3") 
           Monitor-1: LVDS1 res: 1366x768 hz: 60 dpi: 101 size: 344x194mm (13.5x7.6") 
           diag: 395mm (15.5") 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics (ILK) v: 2.1 Mesa 22.0.5 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:3b56 class-ID: 0403 
           Device-2: AMD Cedar HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5400/6300/7300 Series] 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.1 
           chip-ID: 1002:aa68 class-ID: 0403 
           Device-3: C-Media Audio Adapter (Unitek Y-247A) type: USB 
           driver: cmedia_hs100b,snd-usb-audio,usbhid bus-ID: 2-1.3:4 chip-ID: 0d8c:0014 
           class-ID: 0300 
           Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k6.0.0-10.1-liquorix-amd64 running: yes 
           Sound Server-2: JACK v: 1.9.21 running: no 
           Sound Server-3: PulseAudio v: 14.2 running: yes 
Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: r8169 v: kernel port: 2000 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8136 class-ID: 0200 
           IF: enp2s0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Broadcom BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: wl v: kernel modules: bcma port: 2000 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 14e4:4727 
           class-ID: 0280 
           IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 223.57 GiB used: 95.52 GiB (42.7%) 
           SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required. 
           ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Toshiba model: TR200 size: 223.57 GiB block-size: 
           physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 17.1 
           scheme: MBR 
Partition: ID-1: / raw-size: 50 GiB size: 48.91 GiB (97.83%) used: 29.22 GiB (59.7%) fs: ext4 
           dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1 
Swap:      Alert: No swap data was found. 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 64.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     Packages: note: see --pkg apt: 2710 lib: 1464 flatpak: 0 
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/brave-browser-release.list 
           1: deb [arch=amd64] https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com/ bullseye main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://nl.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ bullseye main non-free
           2: deb http://nl.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ bullseye ahs
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/protonvpn-stable.list 
           1: deb [arch="all", signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/protonvpn-stable-archive-keyring.gpg] https://repo.protonvpn.com/debian stable main
Info:      Processes: 241 Uptime: 13m wakeups: 2 Memory: 7.57 GiB used: 1.73 GiB (22.8%) 
           Init: SysVinit v: 2.96 runlevel: 5 default: 5 tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 
           alt: 10 Client: shell wrapper v: 5.1.4-release inxi: 3.3.06 
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:36 pm**

@nudiecrudi

The gufw launch error tells you how to fix the issue (I'm still tracking down what causes it). Run the command it says in a terminal will fix it...

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sudo chmod 755 /etc

What is redshift? Does it require systemd? AVL-MXe doesn't boot systemd on the Live ISO but you can select systemd boot once installed..

Wayland..? AVL-MXe is not a wayland Distro (although Enlightenment supposedly supports it) if you need wayland AVL-MXe is not set up for that at all (and it wasn't with XFCE4 either)

Posted: **Fri Mar 15, 2024 12:09 pm**

hi. redshift is the blue light blocker that works flawlessly in linux, i think it is a very important program to use at night and there are not many if at all that work in linux.
i attach the errors popup.
another issue, but perhaps it is only in live usb, on shutdown it shuts half way down and you have either hard shutdown or use alt-print reiso, but this is not really important.

Posted: **Fri Mar 15, 2024 12:55 pm**

@nudiecrudi I might be totally wrong here but, much like yourself I really used night light in Windows so when I decided to go full Linux in all my devices I struggled with my Antix laptop which never was able to run redshift, not sure it might be the systemd thing or something, never worked, never tried it in MX but since the 2 OSs have a lot in common I guess the same solution might apply, the first one was, in Antix full there were many appliances and one of them if I remember correctly was named Screenlight or something like that which basically perform a similar job of letting you control the warmth of the screen, and again, since it was specifically designed for Antix (I think) it may work on MX and thus work on AV. However, I think it can't be automated, you create two profiles (day and night) and you manually switch between them. The other problem is that IMO it seems a little much like you put some amber lens on, too yellow and a little "blurry" as it is a lens, what I do now in both Antix and AV is just, I open the terminal and write:

xrandr --output VGA1(this is the name of your monitor) --gamma 2:0.75:0.25 --brightness 0.8

that makes my screen comfortably warm without looking like I just put on some glasses, now the configuration might be different for you but just experiment with different numbers and if you don't know your monitor's name just write xrandar in the terminal, no arguments and it will tell you the screen info including the name, this is so far the best option I've found, it really looks like windows10 nightlight.

Posted: **Fri Mar 15, 2024 1:46 pm**

OK, i will give it a go. thanks

Posted: **Fri Mar 15, 2024 1:55 pm**

@AVLinux thank you for your hard work, I wrote in the Antix forum a few days ago about how great AV is, I'm now using still AV21 XFCE and honestly I was affraid of updating, I left a long review saying how I had bad experiences with pipewire and how enlightenment seems harder to manage than XFCE, but much like I said there, I was excited for enlightenment since it has a smaller footprint on your system so for me, it is worth the learning curve and yes, seems harder, just yesterday I tried it on my old laptop, just the liveUSB, super lean bro, more than I expected. my laptop only has 1.5G of ram (that's why I use antix on that one, it is the only thing that runs nicely and that's how I came to love it) but AV is now around the 350M in a fresh start which is great, I mean I could also use it on my laptop if I wanted too (although I would be really limited when I start running some software, but man, this seems leaner than most supposedly light distros, definitively lighter than all the buntus, in q4os territory but maybe the kernel but AV23 seems much faster and smoother than q4os (which I also just tested yesterday), you were right about switching DEs, the more resources freed the better.

Been using AV21 on my office PC for a year now and it is flawless, so thank you man, that's why I am hesitant to upgrade, if it aint broke, but will do that because you have all the right ideas and are way on the right track, me? only still reluctant to deal with pipewire but I guess worst case escenario I can simply purge it like I did when I tried MX.

By the way yesterday I saw your youtube video explaining, for instance, enlightenment and it was extremely useful, thanks for taking the time to do that, now if I could only have one vid more focused on pipewire you'd be totally my hero. I mean you did explain and I think the 2 managing methods you developed seem really useful but still I struggle.

Anyway, I have a laptop running Antix and a PC running AV, another PC on the way which will be running AV, I do industrial design, I'm an amateur musician, and also videoconference a lot in industries where everyone is in a hurry and there's no time for repetitions so I can't miss one word, AV is the only distro so far that out of the box is ALL I need, so nevermind the haters, you also have people cheering for you.

Posted: **Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:58 pm**

Hi All. I've been using AVLinux a good while now after KXStudio disappeared and I have never complained. It must be a HUGE task to produce and maintain - as a moderately technical joe, being able to load a tuned audio/video production OS for little more than a (possible) donation and some personal effort is an absolute privilege.
Having received a free Dell Vostro 1510 (circa 2008) with a dual-core Intel CPU, 2Gb of memory and a 240Gb SSD, I thought I'd try it out with latest AVLinux. It installed and booted reliably. I have the earlier XFCE4 version on my main PC and I'm very happy with it's performance, so I thought I'd give the new Enlightenment MX version a spin on what was likely to test its low resource capabilities to the limit. To be honest, I'm a KDE fan when it comes to desktop environments but get on fine with XFCE and I'm moderately bewildered by Enlightenment ;-) But I'll get there - it's worth the effort to learn something new when the underlying system is so good. And I have watched the new AVLinux introduction video right through so I'm better off than I was.

One issue I noted when booting up the live USB and after installation on both my laptops (the newer one is a 2012 intel i7 with 8Gb of memory), was that only the right-click of my touchpad buttons worked - both tap-to-click and left-click didn't work and peculiarly when SHIFT was pressed on the keyboard no text would type. This was resolved on the Dell by removing the Synaptic Touchpad Driver (just in case anyone else has that issue).

So now that I'm learning the pipewire system, can anyone tell me how to get my Firewire Edirol FA-66 soundcard to work on the new AVLinux? I can see the MIDI ports but not the audio ins and outs. Previously I would have set Jack to my firewire soundcard but I can't find a setting to do that here. Any pointers appreciated.

Posted: **Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:33 pm**

@AlexUD

Thanks for the kind words, unfortunately I'm still in the learning phase about PipeWire as well and not well informed enough to make a useful Video, to be honest when I do recording work I always use the ALSA backends in Ardour and Harrison Mixbus and which completely gets around needing JACK, PulseAudio, PipeWire or any other Audio server. In this case PipeWire is simply handling daily general Desktop Audio and I'm hooking into ALSA directly for dedicated recording work.

@siabost9deas

Thanks for your comments and willingness to try something new, to be honest I'm not 100% clear on how PipeWire supports FireWire devices but I see there is an item about it here:
https://docs.pipewire.org/page_module_ffado_driver.html

Posted: **Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:13 pm**

siabost9deas wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:58 pm only the right-click of my touchpad buttons worked - both tap-to-click and left-click didn't work

This can be fixed in settings I think. Enlightenment may also have it's own settings for within the WM also, but I can't confirm that at the moment.

Posted: **Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:58 pm**

cinclus wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:36 am
AVLinux wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:41 am
Unlike in MX 23.2 wine exits from Word 2003 (or Excel 2003) in AV Linux 23.1 with an error saying something like "Word (or Excel) was terminated unexpectedly".

A more precise error information:

Error on Execution of the application: Microsoft Excel 2003 was terminated unexpectedly.
An errorcode of 3 was output by
env WINEPREFIX="/home/alt_user.wine" wine C:\\users\\alt_user\\AppData\\Roaming\\Microsoft\\Windows\\Start\\Menu\\Programs\\Microsoft\ Office\\Microsoft\ Office\ Excel\ 2003.lnk

This error only appears, when I start Excel or Word from MainMenu/Prefered Applications - not when starting with wine from the command-line.

Posted: **Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:55 pm**

Error on Execution of the application: Microsoft Excel 2003 was terminated unexpectedly.
An errorcode of 3 was output byenv WINEPREFIX="/home/alt_user/.wine" wine C:\\users\\alt_user\\AppData\\Roaming\\Microsoft\\Windows\\Start\\Menu\\Programs\\Microsoft\ Office\\Microsoft\ Office\ Excel\ 2003.lnk

Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:28 pm**

@cinclus

My apologies for the delay, I'm currently dealing with a herniated disk in my back and I've had to cut down my "slumping-in-front-of-a-screen" time.. Unfortunately I have no definitive answer why Excel is not launching from the menu. When you say "Main menu" do you mean the traditional menu or the the "Run Everything" menu with Text search?

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Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:52 pm**

To be clear Excel itself runs quite normal both when running from the traditional menu and from the run everything menu, but in both cases with the additional error message.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:08 pm**

Yo, Glenn -

Thank you so much for keeping up with the ALV-MXE upgrades!
Personally, I don't really care for the "Enlightenment" flavored desktop, but I appreciate new experiences as long as I'm able to stay productive and
Thunar is a big help there.

I read (in your long post above) that you've already dealt with the screen dimming issue that I was seek a fix for. AWESOME!
I also see that release 23.3 is expected shortly?!?
I just missed the 23.2 release as I downloaded 23.1 on 4/1 !!!!!!
No problem, I haven't declared my system as "production-worthy" yet because I'm still trying to get used to the new Desktop and Admin tools...
So, I might just wait for 23.3.

Anyway... I hope you're well and enjoying your OS and Music Production!

Very Best Regards,
Patrick Buryk
[ pburyk@gmail.com ]

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:24 pm**

Glenn -
I might as well post another condition that I encountered with 23.1...
I downloaded the Linux version of Mixbus V10 (I'm a BETA Tester).
I right-clicked on the bundle and there was no app detected to unbundle/install it.
Not a show-stopper as I simply used a Terminal and SUDO to extract and run the contents.
Should this have been doable via the GUI?
Curious...

Cheers!
Patrick

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:34 pm**

Hi Patrick, your support is VERY much appreciated!

The screen dimming thing may not be completely fixed, it seems the new default setting to not fade the backlight may still not work on all systems. The real fix is to simply set the system to boot systemd once installed as detailed in the 23.2 release announcement:
http://www.bandshed.net/2024/04/05/av-l ... so-update/

As far as installing Mixbus, you shouldn't need a right-click option, Thunar is set to execute scripts so once you have the '.run' file simply double-clicking should execute it. I am also a beta tester but I haven't had time to grab the beta yet, I will see how it behaves on my system..

Oh... and the "23.3" upcoming MX release will not be followed by a 23.3 AVL ISO, all the MX stuff in AV Linux will automatically be updated to 23.3 through regular updates and I'm into an extremely busy spring and summer season and will not be actively working on AVL for several months, so "23.2" will be the last release for a while..

Posted: **Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:13 am**

@pburyk

To follow up...

I finally did get around to downloading and installing Mixbus10 Pro, for me right-clicking on the downloaded Mixbus compressed file gave me an option to extract and from there simply double clicking opened the '.run' file and terminal window to install, hopefully that works for you in the future.

Posted: **Sat Apr 20, 2024 4:54 pm**

For the redshift post in here. Here is a executable I keep in my antiX test folder

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#!/bin/bash
##
# RJP 11.4.2024
# Manual display´s color temperature changer for sleeping better
# Packages Yad, Xgamma and Xsct must be installed
# 14.4.2024 Xgamma night and day modes added
yad --form --columns=1 --width=500 --height=450 --scroll --text="DISPLAY COLOR TEMPERATURE CHANGER:" \
--field="Night Color":fbtn "bash -c 'xsct 4500 1.0; exec bash' & " \
--field="Day Color":fbtn "bash -c 'xsct 6500 1.0; exec bash' & " \
--field="Brightness Xsct 0.6":fbtn "bash -c 'xsct 6500 0.6; exec bash' & " \
--field="Brightness Xsct 0.8":fbtn "bash -c 'xsct 6500 0.8; exec bash' & " \
--field="Brightness Xsct 1.0":fbtn "bash -c 'xsct 6500 1.0; exec bash' & " \
--field="Night Color Xgamma 0.3":fbtn "bash -c 'xgamma -bgamma 0.3; exec bash' & " \
--field="Day Color Xgamma 1.0":fbtn "bash -c 'xgamma -bgamma 1.0; exec bash' & " \
--field="Brightness Xgamma 1.0":fbtn "bash -c 'xgamma -bgamma 1.0; exec bash' & " \
--field="Brightness Xgamma 0.8":fbtn "bash -c 'xgamma -gamma 0.8; exec bash' & " \
--field="Brightness Xgamma 0.6":fbtn "bash -c 'xgamma -gamma 0.6; exec bash' & " \
--field="Brightness Xgamma 0.4":fbtn "bash -c 'xgamma -gamma 0.4; exec bash' & " \
--button=Exit:1

Name on text file is EYE_HELPER

I could move it /usr/local/bin. and just launch

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EYE_HELPER

from there. Still testing it though. Make sure you hit the execute check box in thunar for that file. In ZZZFM in antiX. I get execute with right click choices.
Maybe AV can use this.

Forgot to show this.

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