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Re: The Hordes are coming ...

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:00 am
by skidoo
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See, it is a "real" wiki. It even has its own wikileaks :rofl:

To thwart wiki spambots (which are rampant nowadays), it has been configured so that unregistered users can't add/edit content.
Yeah, forum registration doesn't carryover to the wiki software, requires a separate login//password.
That (lack of single-sign-in across forum+bugsmacker+wiki) is an unfortunate barrier-to-entry for prospective contributors.

Re: The Hordes are coming ...

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:36 am
by Utopia
That (lack of single-sign-in across forum+bugsmacker+wiki) is an unfortunate barrier-to-entry for prospective contributors.
Yes, unfortunate but necessary. The xrumer spambots also carry a huge database of manually entered passwords. If a forum password find it's way into it, they can fill the wiki with spam in no time at all. An extra layer of protection saves a lot of work.
Henry

Re: The Hordes are coming ...

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:31 am
by asqwerth
If you are really interested in contributing to the Wiki, just contact our webmistress peregrine to get an account for the website. But since we are moving to a new website soon (on a different platform), maybe wait for that to be come online, then apply for your account.

For other contributions, contact the different persons listed in https://mxlinux.org/donate
Time and talent

MX and antiX Linux are offered to the public free of charge, but it actually takes people's time and money to make it free. For this reason, we are always looking for contributions in any of the following areas:

Development -- coding, art, distribution, etc. -- contact devs@mxlinux.org <== not expressly stated, but PACKAGING is a big part of this
General help -- website, outreach, maintenance, etc. -- contact devs@mxlinux.org
Documentation -- Users Manual, Wiki, videos -- contact manual@mxlinux.org
Translation -- MX tools, documentation -- post on the Translation Forum

If you have the time and interest to get involved in one of these areas, please let us know!
The team members have our own lives and work outside of this forum and distro. We can't do everything ourselves and often we are just here to coordinate and harness the talents of OTHER members of the community (I'm no artist, for instance). But it would help if members could actually volunteer using the contacts listed above and say what you can do. If the offer is an off-the-cuff remark hidden within a long thread like this, it might get overlooked. (I think I will also make a new thread to capture some of what I'm saying here so it doesn't get lost).

For those who have sent such emails/PMs, you are not forgotten (I think Jerry notified me of one or two). It's just that until the timelines for next release get put into place, there is no wholesale gearing up and no assignment of tasks in the interim. But it's not zero activity.

1. the packaging team - who are very small - are still busily building new packages for MX, which is an important part of what makes MX stand out from standard Debian. So they may welcome help. Offer your help if you are interested.
2. Jerry is hard at work on so many things - MX18 manual, adding to/cleaning up website contents, all the other bits and bobs that need to get done for the proper running of MX..... and he puts it on himself to do these things because no one else is doing it
3. a small team has been working on the website (mainly peregrine, with input from myself, Jerry, richb, with feedback from a few others)
4. the devs like anti, dolphin are I believe doing their own tests on Buster (currently Debian Testing) in the meantime.

[ADDED: Meanwhile, I've noticed that devs Adrian and Bitjam having been issuing bugfixes once in a while when issues are reported in this forum]

Re: The Hordes are coming ...

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:17 am
by rasat
figueroa wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:38 pm
manyroads wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:43 pm I could not tell you... They are in the Forums, I've offered to have them placed where-ever. They are still here. :frown:
Oh, I see. The wiki isn't a real wiki. Users can't add/edit content. BTW, I greatly enjoy reading your contributions. :-)
I am glad this was bought up. MX Wiki is CMS (Drupal, Wordpress, Joomla, etc). Posts are depending on maintainer/editor. Wiki (MediaWiki), users collaboratively modify content directly in web browser. CMS engine, search through posts content, wiki through page titles. Example search "Bluetooth" in CMS is like google search.
https://mxlinux.org/search/node/bluetooth

Wiki search directly to the assigned "Bluetooth" page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth

I think MX team would like to have CMS and Wiki with same appearance. That's a bit of challenge but some distros have.

Re: The Hordes are coming ...

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:46 pm
by figueroa
rasat wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:17 am I think MX team would like to have CMS and Wiki with same appearance. That's a bit of challenge but some distros have.
Of course, with a real wiki, content quality can quickly degrade unless management is actively moderating what users change and contribute.

Re: The Hordes are coming ...

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:11 pm
by Jerry3904
On the new site things will be somewhat different...

Re: The Hordes are coming ...

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:34 pm
by manyroads
figueroa wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:46 pm
rasat wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:17 am I think MX team would like to have CMS and Wiki with same appearance. That's a bit of challenge but some distros have.
Of course, with a real wiki, content quality can quickly degrade unless management is actively moderating what users change and contribute.
I agree. A wiki which supports a distro needs to provide accurate information. To make certain that objective is achievable requires quality moderation and high-quality input. Anything less casts a dark cloud over all the distro efforts.

Edit: As for the look & feel, given the new site is built on Wordpress, a sub-ordinate wiki is easily achievable (one which shares a theme with the main site). Here are some tools/ plugins that make that possible. There almost certainly others: https://pagely.com/blog/wordpress-wiki/

Re: The Hordes are coming ...

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:04 pm
by rasat
Thanks figueroa your point is good, though I referred to appearance of look & fell, both CMS and Wiki to have same theme. @manyroads, didn't know WP has wiki plugin. I will take a look, need for my own WP site.

Re: The Hordes are coming ...

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:16 pm
by manyroads
rasat wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:04 pm Thanks figueroa your point is good, though I referred to appearance of look & fell, both CMS and Wiki to have same theme. @manyroads, didn't know WP has wiki plugin. I will take a look, need for my own WP site.
There are actually quite a number of them, plus some plugins that work similarly but are more secure. I'm testing one on my sandbox site http://eirenicon.com You'll see a couple of test items on the left menu cleverly labeled: Test MXLinux Wiki

Edit: it is Yada Wiki see: https://www.webtng.com/yada-wiki-documentation/

Re: The Hordes are coming ...

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:27 pm
by anticapitalista
figueroa - true.

So who wants to step up and manage the wiki?