MX Linux Forum

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:59 pm**

https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resou ... &distro=mx

My review is based on MX version 17.0:
My laptop: Dell Inspiron 17R SE 7720

Pros:
+ brilliant XFCE desktop presentation
+ systemd free experience
+ MX tools

Cons:
- inflexible installer e.g. missing LUKS encryption options
- bumblebee did not recognize my optimus hardware leading X to a black screen after reboot
- suspend & resume issues (black screen + hard reset needed to return to a working system)

I was pretty impressed by this distro in the beginning, but the issues with my hardware forced me to return to Slackware 14.2, where everything (including bumblebee, resume, suspend) works flawlessly.

Have cons 2 and 3 been addressed?

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:52 pm**

Suspend and hibernate work perfectly for me with 17 and 17.1. So how does one answer is it addressed? I can only say yes.
I have not tried Bumblebee in 17 but it worked fine in 16.

Installer comment is an opinion only. Others have praised it.

My take, that user liked MX but seemingly made no effort to solve his issues.

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:06 pm**

My take, that user liked MX but seemingly made no effort to solve his issues.

You are most likely correct. I just thought I'd give cons 2 and 3 a mention.

As for the installer, I personally think it's excellent.

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:38 pm**

I am glad you did mention it.

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:40 pm**

the detection method for bumblebee can be imperfect, as sometimes the secondary graphics accelerator part (the nvidia part) registers with the system as a primary graphics card instead of as a secondary card. In that event, the standard nvidia-drivers get installed instead of the primus drivers.

I've got an idea for a fallback, but I haven't had time to implement it.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 5:10 pm**

Missing full disk encryption is the first thing mentioned here - don´t be blind on that, please. It is a major bummer - I know at least five people who have seen MX and would like to try, but went away because of that.

Also nvidia BS is still a major problem because it leaves the user with a black screen or otherwise unusable install - Ubuntu has the same problem with their 18.04 release, but it runs flawlessly with Debian Stretch, so it might be an unwanted regression. I recommend not to mess around with that, as especially Optimus is pain and please just copy from others what they digged out to work well. Optimus on Debian is OK, also Arch seems to have good people that are able to make it work. You need a very big community to test that nvidia bs, so just take it from the bigger distros like they figure it out.

Both of these points are essential things - the point is that there are distros out there that already have that working without problems, so it is kind of inacceptable that MX has handicaps here. I think your team is to small to get that done right, so again: please just copy paste from where it is working and do not regress. Thanks!

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 5:14 pm**

Maybe one more thing to make the position more clear: it is kind of problematic to tell people 'based on Debian' and then deliver something that has two major things broken that run just fine on Debian. Don´t know how many of them will draw false conclusions about Debian, because regressions implanted by your team, it is definitely a reason to grumble. I wish there was some rule for cases like this - yes, build on debian, but do not remove features or destroy things that are already working fine. Add things, but do not destroy.

Hate to be *that* guy but somebody has to tell the truth.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 5:19 pm**

And if we don't say "based on Debian" people will bitch we don't give credit. You can't win.

Fact 1. MX is based on Debian.
Fact 2. MX is not Debian. So some things that work in Debian won't work in MX, also MX won't work on any architecture other than 386 and x64. We don't have the same target as Debian. Also some things that are very easy to do in MX are hard to do (or even impossible) in straight Debian so there's also that...

Ultimately, if Debian works better for you, use Debian.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 5:36 pm**

And I would add, MX is not Debian with window dressing. It is based on Debian as it uses the Debian repositories. It has its own unique set of features and makes no claim to be a Debian clone. If I wanted Debian I would have installed Debian.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 5:47 pm**

DEBIANUSER wrote:Maybe one more thing to make the position more clear: it is kind of problematic to tell people 'based on Debian' and then deliver something that has two major things broken that run just fine on Debian. Don´t know how many of them will draw false conclusions about Debian, because regressions implanted by your team, it is definitely a reason to grumble. I wish there was some rule for cases like this - yes, build on debian, but do not remove features or destroy things that are already working fine. Add things, but do not destroy.

Hate to be *that* guy but somebody has to tell the truth.

There are plenty of posts on the Debian forums by people having the exact same issues with Bumblebee and Nvidia drivers on Dell laptops, so don't jump to the conclusion that MX is causing the issue. Dells have lots of quirks on Debian that other brands don't, like it or not. Someone that is trying to trace the root cause would take the time to test both MX and Debian before blaming MX for their hardware's oddball behavior.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 5:56 pm**

last I checked debian doesn't have an nvidia installer tool.

however, following the debian wiki should get you the same result as pure debian.

our nvidia-installer did receive updates after release, because the depends information for the nvidia-driver package changed in debian's repos. So make sure to do your updates before running the installer.

debian wiki procedures are followed by the installer, although I think we still make a xorg.conf file for some users that reported problems without it. You can't win sometimes.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 7:09 pm**

richb wrote:Suspend and hibernate work perfectly for me with 17 and 17.1.

Same here. I have Mx 17.1 on an old imac, and it works perfectly.
Yesterday, I removed Mint from a new computer (where resume didn't work too well) and installed Mx. Suspend/resume work perfectly.
Two very different machines, and yet it works.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2018 3:30 am**

richb wrote:And I would add, MX is not Debian with window dressing. It is based on Debian as it uses the Debian repositories. It has its own unique set of features and makes no claim to be a Debian clone. If I wanted Debian I would have installed Debian.

That perfectly sums up the difference between MX and many "pretty useless" distros, adding a new set of wallpapers here, a tool for one person there. A french youtuber call the latest DGLFI (Distribution Gnu Linux Franchement inutile / Frankly unnecessary Gnu Linux Distribution) but MX is not one of them and I'm not sure DEBIANUSER did realise all that has been accomplished.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2018 4:43 am**

cyrilus31 wrote:
richb wrote:A french youtuber call the latest DGLFI

hello, do you have a link? I hope it's note Fred B.
I think not, he wrotes a good article on MxLinux 17.1
I'm enjoying everyday my MxLinux since 1 month after a lot of distro hopping on my 10 years old asus 32 bits laptop

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2018 5:28 am**

Yes it's Frederic. Remark I said "the latest" are called DGLFI not MX Linux of course

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2018 5:32 am**

ok, you're right

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2018 8:01 am**

A quick fix (well, workaround) for a Black Screen on resume is to switch to a TTY and then TTY7 (or maybe TTY8). So CTRL-ALT-F1 then CTRL-ALT-F7... no need for a hard reset or REISUB.

IME, it only happens with the older Kernels (4.9 and earlier)... changing to a later Kernel fixes the problem, but can introduce others on certain older hardware (for example; 7 year old i3 Laptop with nvidia gfx).

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2018 6:24 pm**

I'm really selective about my Linux- I've used Ubuntu or Xubuntu since 2009. MX Linux was the ONLY distro that I have tried that could beat Ubuntu flavors. It's better in every way.

That's fine, the reviewer is missing out. Their loss.

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 2:31 pm**

MX keeps its slim lead to remain atop the Distrowatch user ratings, despite this recent review:

Version: 17.1
Rating: 5
Date: 2018-05-08
Votes: 1

Difficulties getting a live usb to try or install, on a system that easily installs Mint etc over the last year ... 3rd try (latest April iso) worked. Issues running expressvpn and megasync debs ... ended up with having to choose the 2nd boot option, ie systemd, in order to use expressvpn. Megasync deb wouldn't install/dependencies not possible, so was stuck with the less-easy-to-use browser version. Worst issue was dealing with wine/playonlinux; MX linux prefer a staging version overall?, and I couldn't make head nor tail of how to get games to not crash. Rather confusing.
Aside from these main things, some glitches, but the system overall ran well, including Krita pressure sensitivity for non-Wacom display tablet. Better for tech-heads overall, I think, plus this distro has personal quirks that don't cover what may be useful/wanted by most. Many long-term unresolved threads on the forum, with similar issues. If it was possible to run any deb successfully and use wine/playonlinux as normal, I think that would help many trying MX, but not recommended for those new to Linux.

So they knock off five points because they have to use systemd with proprietary apps that require it, and because some games won't work with Wine? Jeesh...luckily the large number of good reviews now insulate us from this sort of stuff. Some criticism is constructive, but other times it isn't.

BTW, uGet also has built-in support for Mega links...

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 3:05 pm**

Stevo, that reviewer looks like a lying Linux Mint troll that gets money from Expressvpn.

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 3:11 pm**

I think I know who this is.

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 3:53 pm**

richb wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:11 pm I think I know who this is.

I've made a shrewd guess too. :lipsrsealed:

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 4:14 pm**

richb wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:11 pm I think I know who this is.

Care to share this info via pb?

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 4:15 pm**

I do think for those going on DW and reading such a wish/claim like that:

... If it was possible to run any deb successfully and use wine/playonlinux as normal ...

They might understand that this user might have limited understanding of the debian package system and perhabs a similar low level understanding on the major issues which wine tries to solve.

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 4:39 pm**

I'm not sure we should be playing any guessing games. Someone writes an opinion, they are entitled to it.

the wine-staging comment might even be a valid point. but its something we've offerred for a long time.

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 4:41 pm**

I am not publicising my opinion. Just saying......

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 4:44 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:39 pm I'm not sure we should be playing any guessing games. Someone writes an opinion, they are entitled to it.

the wine-staging comment might even be a valid point. but its something we've offerred for a long time.

Yes, but to knock off that many points for that and his proprietary deb problems is unwarranted, IMO. Oh well, the 10/10 reviews swamp that one out. Maybe it's how we always use to laugh at the Russian judge's scoring in the Olympics.

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 5:07 pm**

Someone who writes a review, whether good or bad, should be prepared to put their name to it.

BTW it is spelled review!

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 5:15 pm**

This is not a big deal. You cannot please everyone.

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 5:56 pm**

Gordon Cooper wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 5:07 pm BTW it is spelled review!

My bad. It was really late when I submitted the original post and it slipped past me.

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 11:57 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:39 pm I'm not sure we should be playing any guessing games. Someone writes an opinion, they are entitled to it......

+1

People will have different opinions, and that's fine.

The important thing is to consider all points, and then decide whether a particular suggestion or criticism is something for MX to take on board or not.

Sometimes a critical review might have more interesting food for thought than a completely gushing review, even if all the positive reviews are very much appreciated. Depending on the situation, of course.

And a critical review that (in my opinion) is off the mark for ALMOST everything, might still have a single, valid point.

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2018 12:55 am**

@ colin_b. Colin you could always go back to your first post and edit it to fix the spelling - then everyone else would be wrong!

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2018 1:33 am**

There isn't a perfect Linux Distro for the Desktop - unless all of the hardware manufacturers suddenly support Linux as they do Windows, and all devs from every distro get together and create a unified Linux Distro, there never will be... IMHO (I'm not saying this can or should happen)

But, MX Linux is one of only two distros that works perfectly on all of my varied hardware (three Laptops (Nvidia, AMD, Intel integrated GFX) - two Desktops (Nvidia, AMD)). There's also a forum that's regularly visited by a helpful development team... good luck contacting the devs in most other forums - and you'll need the "luck of the devil" to receive a positive response for a package that's not been built to be added to the repos.

So, don't concern yourselves with these negative reviews... you can't please everyone, and you never will. Console yourselves with the fact that there are many distros worse than MX, some are even as good, but there aren't any that are better.

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2018 3:22 am**

Distrowatch is a website that I watch regularly.There are opinions of different experts or articles Linux magazines based on their way testing. During last years I have tested almost all of major Linux distros. Almost all. Two weeks ago I re-tested latest Mint, but also distros based on Slackware or distros based on Gentoo. Re-testing means, re- installing them on my laptop to see and distinguish what are improvements from the last time that I installed them. I also have re-tested some nice Usb distros developed by creator of Exton Linux.I do not want to go in detail now, but sometimes I do not share the same opinion with some articles that experts wrote about different linux distros on Distrowatch. I am not expert , but I have gain enough experience to understand how a distro works,what are glitches that makes a user happy or not and how fast the distro performs on everyday work.For example: The latest Mint, is more heavy than MX Linux and lacks as Ubuntu, during packages updating (package center). Gentoo Usb created by Exton's creator, makes the same trouble as the predecessor one (destroys your mounted or unmonted partitions), also was not able to start by Kernel Panic on old Laptop.He's KDE Slackware USB Linux , was not able to change wireless profile.The latest Red Core was impossible to start by a Kernel Panic on old Laptop.The Calculate Linux was impossible to install on a partition less than( if I remember well 25 gb).AbsoluteLinux was not able to start in old laptop as per Kernel Panic. And so on.I found the latest XFCE Manjaro, much better than the latest that I tried some times ago. No plethora of updates each day. Maybe it's creators,have decided to have not huge everyday updates, or less frequently , not the same as his originator Arch Linux.But Manjaro lacks to offer many useful packages, that you should install as AUR from Arch repos. Manjaro offers a very fast install only for packages on their repos. I remember that 2 years ago, Arch encountered a problem during grub installation. All distros based on Arch had reflected the same issue until the Arch resolved this problem. The same problem was on Debian Calamares during this period.Need to be said that when a original Linux suffers by a problem, all the derived distros suffers also. The latest problem still not resolved on ARCH ( free type fonts) caused stopping some softwares to run.So...?
My approach to MX Linux has been not slight and easy. I have installed and reinstalled several times. Last week I re- tested Antix, but MX Linux is more polished. Antix offers some very interesting and pioneer capabilities. I can say that both distros use memory respectively of what they offer. Antix is lighter because is using Openbox or Flubox and ROX. Do not lay yourself than LXDE, LXQT or OpenBox are much faster than XFCE. Maybe in the first install you can see that light Desktops produce or present themselves lighter on resources and memory.That comes also because the packages chosen by creators of this distros are light on resources. The problems comes up when you want to use really applications(that are much heavy and offers much more features). You will see that light system that was on the beginning of install is not light anymore. Some of them suffers more to load and run a ''heavy'' software than XFCE. Anyway.... I use MX Linux, Sparky Linux and ARCH on my laptops. I have also decided to keep also the latest Manjaro instead of Mint. Based on my experience I have found MX Linux one of the fastest and leanest Debian based Distros also the MX Community is very friendly,collaborative and productive. Also Sparky Linux is a very good chose.Very good.It is pity that that Sparky has a small team/contributors behind or maybe just only one person. Seems similar/organization as PCLinuxOS , but Sparky is a beast comparing PCLinuxOS. I suffered/encountered problems using PCLinuxOS some times ago, also did not found it as propagandized. On my Linux experience I am trying to combine tools, repos and the best of both distros (MX Linux and Sparky). Lately, the creator of Sparky Linux has decided to continue only Sparky based on LXDE (stable) and LXQT (rolling). Another very good experience and distro is Gecko Linux based on SUSE. But also is pity that is only a person and small community behind Gecko.
So... as I said.I share not the same option with some articles published on Distrowatch (about distro testing), also with Distrowatch Linux's classifications. The Distrowatch is maybe one of the more respected websites about Linux and Unix, or the first website that folks reach/search on Internet to get opinions of what Linux or Unix distro to use as Windows or Mac alternative.... but this does not mean that Distrowatch's opinion and classification is a bible.
So, MX Linux fellows: do not attend to keep so much in your mind Distrowatch's opinions as Direction and Guide.After years on distro testing, it is very easy to understand. Simply to say...everything derived from Originators. Almost every thing that you see around, derived from Debian. There are also many derived by Slackware, so many especially on the last years from Arch, from Gentoo, SUSE and Fedora (Red Hat). One that really want to taste purified Linux ...should stay as closer to Originators.

The latest words to MX creators and other folks. Stay tuned strongly with MX based on XFCE. XFCE is a really very good and balanced desktop.I have tried a lot desktops , but still I come back to XFCE. It would be much more productive to develop only on desktop instead of many of them. Would be losing of time to spend energy in vain instead of focusing on increasing of MX Linux performance. Every one can install a different desktop based on his preferences, feelings, experience and can use it. MX Linux, really works good. Very good. MX fellows:Keep going on this way and continue to consolidate your efforts to make MX leaner, robust , lighter. MX Linux is on the right way to his perfection. There are not so many other distros better or much better than MX Linux around/within plethora of Linux distros on the World.

Thanks to all MX Team for their work, efforts,support, help and responsibility also for packages that they build, update and maintain based on request.

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2018 4:11 pm**

While none are perfect, the MX Developers should be proud of their work.

I find this to be a much more informed ranking than their "page hits per day" ranking.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2018 4:58 am**

Here's another 5 from DW

I like how MX-17 makes a lot of Linux tools and functionality less obscure. However, there are few things I don't like about it. It won't let me position the panel where I like it to be -- the bottom of the screen. I use LibreOffice a lot and MX won't let me open a file located in another machine in the network using LibreOffice. It requires the file to be stored locally. Also, I don't like that it asks for an admin password to access other drives in the local machine.

I think I could find fix for the issues above, because anything is possible in the Linux world. But readiness and ease of use are important criteria when I review a distro. This is a review of MX as ran from live CD. I do not install a distro that doesn't pass this initial test.

I'm sure the issues raised are either false or easily fixed.

Some 'negative' antiX reviews have actually been useful and were pointing to some bugs e.g.

This distro is quick, nice looking, stable BUT for a left-handed person it's not usable. Tried everything to change my mouse to left-hand. In control you must set right-hand for left-hand to work!?!? And after re-boot it's back to right-hand.

The left-hand bug has now been fixed.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2018 5:40 am**

The two reviews while negative are much different as you pointed out. The first is clearly not the experience of the vast majority of users and not inherent to MX while the second led the developers to an issue I suspect was understandably not considered by the developers.
There are posts on this Forum that have led to improvements, changes and fixes. It is unfortunate that the first poster did not visit the Forum for help. But this is what you will see on a public site like Distrowatch. It is part of being "in the game".

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2018 5:44 am**

i would like to say something related somehow to penguin's comment. i also use mx and sparky. sparky is very good indeed (solus is nice too-did you tried it penguin? it is not a derivative also ) and very similar to mx in my point of view and i dare to say that a possible future cooperation between sparky and mx and antix in some way sounds amazing to me. i mean mx has a systemd boot option and we have already seen the amazing result of mepis and antix cooperation.
and i also agree with penguin about xfce and that mx is on the right way.
thanks mx team

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2018 5:54 am**

anticapitalista wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 4:58 am Here's another 5 from DW

I like how MX-17 makes a lot of Linux tools and functionality less obscure. However, there are few things I don't like about it. It won't let me position the panel where I like it to be -- the bottom of the screen. I use LibreOffice a lot and MX won't let me open a file located in another machine in the network using LibreOffice. It requires the file to be stored locally. Also, I don't like that it asks for an admin password to access other drives in the local machine.

I think I could find fix for the issues above, because anything is possible in the Linux world. But readiness and ease of use are important criteria when I review a distro. This is a review of MX as ran from live CD. I do not install a distro that doesn't pass this initial test.
I'm sure the issues raised are either false or easily fixed.

Some 'negative' antiX reviews have actually been useful and were pointing to some bugs e.g.

This distro is quick, nice looking, stable BUT for a left-handed person it's not usable. Tried everything to change my mouse to left-hand. In control you must set right-hand for left-hand to work!?!? And after re-boot it's back to right-hand.
The left-hand bug has now been fixed.

If I understand well reviews are anonymous. Just seen a french review: too sad this reviewer didn't ask for help on the forum.

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2018 2:52 am**

xali wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 5:44 am i would like to say something related somehow to penguin's comment. i also use mx and sparky. sparky is very good indeed (solus is nice too-did you tried it penguin? it is not a derivative also ) and very similar to mx in my point of view and i dare to say that a possible future cooperation between sparky and mx and antix in some way sounds amazing to me. i mean mx has a systemd boot option and we have already seen the amazing result of mepis and antix cooperation.
and i also agree with penguin about xfce and that mx is on the right way.
thanks mx team

Yes xali. I have tried Solus.As I said. I am a distro eater. Testing distros , give me a lot of experience. As I remember from Solus.... a problem with first attempt to install and problem to find packages that I wanted to install.

I began to test distros years ago. meanwhile I have used Windows.Now that generally I run Linux , I test much more.
As I said: Testing gives you a lot of experience. On this days, for example I have seen a bug on Sparky Linux and Manjaro Distro running XFCE desktop.Double click does not maximize Thunar windows. Searching on Internet , I found that reaction time mouse double click need to increased to 570 ms instead of 200 ms that is default. Another problem that I have faced was non function of double click on mousepad that I resolved by typing on terminal synclient TapButton1=1.

A strange situation happens me yesterday when I installed the new Sparky 4.8 32 bit. I tried a lot with LXDE desktop and I surrender.Personally I do not thing that LXDE has any of benefits over XFCE. LXDE uses less memory that XFCE but not so less. LXDE is much more difficulty to maintain and configure.I installed lovely XFCE and XFCE goodies.Everything was fine. After this I removed LXDE and Openbox but still some glitches or some things have been mixed up when I installed i3lock instead of light- locker. I tried to make some kind of modification of file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, but still I did not arrived to resolve default user login and desktop lock. On the end I copied lightdm.conf from my Sparky64 to Sparky32 bit and everything is fine. (Sparky32 bit 4.8 is a little bit faster on but than his predecessor). What I have noticed was than Sparky 32 (4.8 ) LXDE uses roundly 175MB on first desktop and Sparky32 XFCE uses 189MB up to 210MB. Meanwhile MX Linux 17.1 32bit uses over 300 MB, but MX Linux 17.1 is much faster on boot. The strange thing that I faced yesterday was that i3lock did not recognize my password after screen lock. I found on

Code: Select all

https://github.com/i3/i3lock/issues/119

that

sudo chmod +r /etc/shadow

After I have compared file shadow on both my Sparky32 and Sparky64 and I found that the difference on both was Group Owner (that needs to be Shadow).The right solution instead of +r.

After years of testing directly one will feel directly if a distro needs much more testing and attention since the Live running process. I am not very sure if some one gives so much time and attention during testing a distro. Personally I gave my opinion on the previous post about MX Linux. Things to be repaired ? Decreasing of memory that MX Linux uses, for example: for MX Linux 32 bit from over 300 MB to roundly 200 MB (the same task for MX Linux 64 bit) in aim to make it leaner, lighter, faster.Some additional tools can be added.I useful tool was Woogaloo(I found it on Swappiness thread).Additional tool that can be added,is an editor to read logs (boot and shutdown). Etc.

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2018 6:10 pm**

Another polite Distro watch niggle has appeared.

https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resou ... &distro=mx

I have installed and run MX linux casually from the version 14. and I have really like. It’s well done, stable and use a very little amount of ram.

Unfortunaly I have something to complain for the latest version. The repo of Sweden is nearest to me. I cannot update all from it when I use the original iso. It seems that everything has upload but when I change the repo to Usa or Greek I get a lot of new updates. It’s very strange.

I have also trouble with Firefox and Thunderbird. They both start with black screen which also flash. I take about one second with Firefox and three with Thunderbird. I don’t now what’s the matter. I have tried Xubuntu (18.04) and Peppermint 8 without any issues. They have not such a problem.

When I installed language packages (swedish or finnish) they don’t translate Firefox and Thunderbird automatically. I must download language packages from webb and install the xpi packages manually. After that I must also configure Firefox: about:config → intl.locale.requested → (se or fi). This is a minor problem and I can managed with it. But I don’t like black screens. That’s why I use prefer the previous version.

I give however 10 points because of MX linux is so good. I hope the developers can fix the problems as soon as possible.

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2018 6:53 pm**

colin_b wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 6:10 pmAnother polite Distro watch niggle has appeared.
...
The repo of Sweden is nearest to me. I cannot update all from it when I use the original iso.
...
I have also trouble with Firefox and Thunderbird. They both start with black screen which also flash.
...
When I installed language packages (swedish or finnish) they don’t translate Firefox and Thunderbird automatically.
..

At least some valid points, if the local (nearest) repo is not available (or outdated(?)) we might make
it more visible to offer selecting another mirror.
Localaization of FF/Tb ist just around the corner to get fixed "semi"-automatically.
(see my other post L10N-FIX : Firefox, Thunderbird, ...
The packaging team looking into this just now.
Not sure about the black-screen of ff/tb issue, never seen such thing.

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2018 8:38 pm**

Changing a repo mirror is provided for in MX tools. I have found that the nearest is not always the best. The NZ mirror is reportedly very close to me but is not reliable, so I have swapped to the Utah mirror and not noticed any drop in download speed.

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2018 9:04 pm**

Was the Swedish repo one of those very short-lived vincz ones? I thought we got rid of those for 17.1--if so, this person must be complaining about an unupdated MX 17, not 17.1. Too bad the reviews don't allow comments...

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2018 9:35 pm**

Am running 17.1 and Sweden is still listed in the mirrors.

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2018 10:50 pm**

Gordon Cooper wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 9:35 pm Am running 17.1 and Sweden is still listed in the mirrors.

Which Sweden repo? This one should work I think: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mxlinux.org/packages that's what we have in MX Repo Manager, let me know if that doesn't work well and we can take it out.

Posted: **Fri May 25, 2018 12:13 am**

Which Sweden repo? This one should work I think: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mxlinux.org/packages that's what we have in MX Repo Manager, let me know if that doesn't work well and we can take it out.

The index of that mirror shows nothing later than 2016, and 2015 for MX

Posted: **Fri May 25, 2018 12:15 am**

Gordon Cooper wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 12:13 am
Which Sweden repo? This one should work I think: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mxlinux.org/packages that's what we have in MX Repo Manager, let me know if that doesn't work well and we can take it out.
The index of that mirror shows nothing later than 2016

Are you sure, I see files updated on 2018-05-24 21:16
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mxlinux.or ... ary-amd64/

Posted: **Fri May 25, 2018 12:19 am**

That is what I got at http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mxlinux.org/packages/

Posted: **Fri May 25, 2018 12:25 am**

Gordon Cooper wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 12:19 am That is what I got at http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mxlinux.org/packages/

That's just when those folders were created not when they were updated. I think it's a confusion here, there was another Swedish repo that we dropped http://se.mirror.mxlinux.de/packages the new one the one I linked to should work fine.

Posted: **Fri May 25, 2018 12:46 am**

Must be me that is confused, I used http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mxlinux.org/packages/, and got this:

SE.png

Posted: **Fri May 25, 2018 1:34 am**

The new Swedish repo seems to be working. The latest packages are from 2018-05-24.
Didn't know about this one, thanks for posting.
Henry

Posted: **Fri May 25, 2018 2:04 am**

I also noticed the repo problem two weeks ago when I replaced a new motherboard. I reinstalled MX 17.1 and updated the system from Swedish repo. There was only Firefox 58. When I change the repo to Usa I got much more updates and also Firefox 60. After that I downloaded the mounthly iso (March 2018) and burn it to DVD. I installed the system again and now everything went smoothly.

Finland is a very small language area. We have own problems with MX etc. with FeatherPad and Nomacs. They are not yet translated in finnish. I use Leafpad and Ristretto instead of them.

Posted: **Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:52 pm**

Another grumble..

The latest version of of MX (or AntiX) won't install on my HP Stream (issues with the emmc "hard drive") and on my desktop fails to recognize the video card properly ( AMD Radeon RX 550 ); which is staggering in this day and age. This causes unacceptable performance issues and make me feel like it's Linux 1998 with HW support.

I've been using Linux since '96 and could probably resolve these issues with a bit of time, but with a plethora of choice around its easier to install another distro.

I still rate it a 10 out of 10 because over the years it's been a top notch and under recognized distribution that I think is overlooked way to often. It deserves everyone to check it out, and I'm certain that while I'm not happy with the latest version, this is an exception and not the norm.

Is this a minor issue which only affects a few users?

Posted: **Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:28 pm**

colin_b wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:52 pm Another grumble..

The latest version of of MX (or AntiX) won't install on my HP Stream (issues with the emmc "hard drive") and on my desktop fails to recognize the video card properly ( AMD Radeon RX 550 ); which is staggering in this day and age. This causes unacceptable performance issues and make me feel like it's Linux 1998 with HW support.

I've been using Linux since '96 and could probably resolve these issues with a bit of time, but with a plethora of choice around its easier to install another distro.

I still rate it a 10 out of 10 because over the years it's been a top notch and under recognized distribution that I think is overlooked way to often. It deserves everyone to check it out, and I'm certain that while I'm not happy with the latest version, this is an exception and not the norm.
Is this a minor issue which only affects a few users?

the mmc thing is fixed in the current installer.

can't say about the desktop video card. we use the open source amd drivers .

Posted: **Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:14 pm**

Deserves 10 points, but

The 2 things that make me return to Fedora (which I also like), are:
- Under Antix kernels (test), firefox does not work; blank page.

- No up-to-date CPU microcode to mitigate CVE-2018-3640 [rogue system register read] aka 'Variant 3a' vulnerability

- And, No update to mitigate CVE-2018-3639 [speculative store bypass] aka 'Variant 4' vulnerability.

Have these points been mentioned in the forum?

Posted: **Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:19 pm**

colin_b wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:14 pm
Deserves 10 points, but

The 2 things that make me return to Fedora (which I also like), are:
- Under Antix kernels (test), firefox does not work; blank page.

- No up-to-date CPU microcode to mitigate CVE-2018-3640 [rogue system register read] aka 'Variant 3a' vulnerability

- And, No update to mitigate CVE-2018-3639 [speculative store bypass] aka 'Variant 4' vulnerability.
Have these points been mentioned in the forum?

no, but the intel microcode is patched for both I think. the debian 4.9 kernel is patched for the other. our 4.15 likely won't be, but steveo keeps backporting the debian-backports kernels, so they might be patched. the main issue is the moving target on building dkms modules. its the tradeoff of using the non-default debian kernel.

as to the antiX kernels and firefox, the OP can take that up with antiX. personally I don't buy it as I run firefox on antiX all the time.

"Deserves a 10" but gives it a 1. OK, moving on. There are other numbers, like 7, 5 and 3 just to name a few.

Posted: **Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:44 pm**

I agree. I've seen a number of these "it ain't Fedora" and consider them all trolls.

Posted: **Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:09 pm**

We have a slightly newer 20180807 intel-microcode release in our test repo for now, having been burned once before in the last year with a buggy version. It's also in Stretch-backports...Stretch has 20180703. This person didn't take the time to learn much about MX before bashing it, but we can't help that.

What the heck do antiX kernels have to do with MX? We have plenty of our own updated kernels. Really stinks of troll now--adventurers, be wary! But that's what our success leads to: haters.

Posted: **Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:22 pm**

Any thoughts about changing this?

Version: 17.1
Rating: 10
Date: 2018-08-20
Votes: 2

In limited use, I find it one of the best, easy to use distros, in what is a rather small collection.

I would be using it full time, except for one thing: they put their superb collection of helper scripts in /usr/local. I have my own large collection of (perhaps not-so-superb) admin scripts which I keep there as well, and I would prefer not to mix them.

In the past, /usr/local was supposed to be reserved for the local installation. Now I know there is presently a geek slap fight going on as to whether that should matter. which I choose to remain silent on.

I'd be happier if MX would either integrate their scripts into /usr (which they probably don't want to do for the same reason), or maybe move them to /opt, although I realize there is likely no best solution.

/usr/distro, maybe? Don't like that either.

Anyway, MX is one of the best distros around right now.

I'm not absolutely certain, but I think Debian policy says that helper scripts can go into /usr/lib/<packagename>, but if they're talking about the ones in /usr/local/bin, they really should be going into /usr/bin instead.

Posted: **Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:57 pm**

Stevo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:09 pm We have a slightly newer 20180807 intel-microcode release in our test repo for now, having been burned once before in the last year with a buggy version. It's also in Stretch-backports...Stretch has 20180703. This person didn't take the time to learn much about MX before bashing it, but we can't help that.

What the heck do antiX kernels have to do with MX? We have plenty of our own updated kernels. Really stinks of troll now--adventurers, be wary! But that's what our success leads to: haters.

You can "do onto others as others do onto you."

Troll the Troll.

Posted: **Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:24 am**

Stevo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:22 pm Any thoughts about changing this?

Version: 17.1
Rating: 10
Date: 2018-08-20
Votes: 2

In limited use, I find it one of the best, easy to use distros, in what is a rather small collection.

I would be using it full time, except for one thing: they put their superb collection of helper scripts in /usr/local. I have my own large collection of (perhaps not-so-superb) admin scripts which I keep there as well, and I would prefer not to mix them.

In the past, /usr/local was supposed to be reserved for the local installation. Now I know there is presently a geek slap fight going on as to whether that should matter. which I choose to remain silent on.

I'd be happier if MX would either integrate their scripts into /usr (which they probably don't want to do for the same reason), or maybe move them to /opt, although I realize there is likely no best solution.

/usr/distro, maybe? Don't like that either.

Anyway, MX is one of the best distros around right now.
I'm not absolutely certain, but I think Debian policy says that helper scripts can go into /usr/lib/<packagename>, but if they're talking about the ones in /usr/local/bin, they really should be going into /usr/bin instead.

antiX is not going to move its scripts out of /usr/local/bin so users will just have to get used to it. As far as I know, MX devs did move theirs to /usr/bin.

Also, there is nothing wrong with the 4.18.4 antiX kernel and firefox. I'm using it as I type

Code: Select all

uname -a
Linux antix1 4.18.4-antix.2-amd64-smp #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Aug 22 12:09:25 BST 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Posted: **Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:42 am**

Trolly trolly troll!

Posted: **Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:48 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:42 am Trolly trolly troll!

The one about the antiX kernel and firefox. yes a troll. The post quoted by stevo (and me in my post above) is not a troll, but warrants a reply.

Posted: **Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:44 am**

I agree with the guy, I mentioned a while ago that we shouldn't stick scripts in /usr/local it's against Debian and Linux conventions, not sure if the suggested solution "/usr/distro, maybe? Don't like that either." is the right one, I don't like that either. One of the good things about mx-* apps is that they do have a mx- prefix so we can put them directly in /usr/bin/ without risking to clobber anything there... but for GUI apps the name doesn't really matter because you launch them mostly from menu, for CLI scripts it might be cumbersome to have a prefix antiX-blah. What about a /usr/bin/antiX/ would that make sense?

Posted: **Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:48 am**

not helpful -- deleted.

Posted: **Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:22 pm**

The following is thew most ill informed MX review you're likely to see on DistroWatch:

Version: 17.1
Rating: 6
Date: 2018-09-09
Votes: 0

Very strange start menu. A odd bar at left with a tiny clock on top left. Seriously we want a normal and decent menu. Just put LXDE or other alike. Works fine and all but the menu is freaking horrible. I give a 6. Can't install a linux operating system with a start menu like that. No way.

Posted: **Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:26 pm**

Agreed. I have a conspiracy theory that some members of the top older distros are not pleased to see MX rise so high and are trying to drop its numbers with specious complaints.

Posted: **Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:30 pm**

Most other XFCE distros use the same exact Whiskermenu that MX does, too. LXDE, seriously? Too bad they don't have a system for comments on troll reviews like this.

Posted: **Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:51 am**

Stevo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:30 pm Most other XFCE distros use the same exact Whiskermenu that MX does, too. LXDE, seriously? Too bad they don't have a system for comments on troll reviews like this.

Not only that, Gnome 3 and Unity have always had their dash/dock/launcher icons on the left by default.

And in their announcement of the release of Solus 3, the Solus devs stated that Budgie desktop could now have its panel set vertically. This was in Aug 2017.

https://solus-project.com/2017/08/15/solus-3-released/

What's so weird about MX having its panel on the left?

My view is that no matter how popular or well-regarded a distro is, you will always have some bad reviews, whether it's for valid reasons (you can't please everyone all of the time, people have personal preferences, and MX is not perfect and can always improve) or for silly or malicious reasons. As long as the overall average score is fine, we're ok.

It's like the judging in ice skating competitions where you discard the highest and lowest scores and then average out the rest, to try to even out the effect of partisan/biased judges)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU_Judging_System

Posted: **Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:56 am**

I know that american English differs from the basics that I learned at school, but I doubt if the spelling of reveiw is one of the differences.? Review surely !!!

Posted: **Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:33 am**

Posted: **Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:24 am**

Gordon Cooper wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:56 am I know that american English differs from the basics that I learned at school, but I doubt if the spelling of reveiw is one of the differences.? Review surely !!!

Oops. My fault.

It was really late when I made the initial post, and in my sleep deprived state I made a spelling mistake on the post subject. It seems pointless changing it now.

Posted: **Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:26 am**

colin_b wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:24 am
Gordon Cooper wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:56 am I know that american English differs from the basics that I learned at school, but I doubt if the spelling of reveiw is one of the differences.? Review surely !!!
Oops. My fault.

It was really late when I made the initial post, and in my sleep deprived state I made a spelling mistake on the post subject. It seems pointless changing it now.

LOL I never noticed that! Of course, my speling stinks

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:46 pm**

Almost not directly related to the distro itself: I had many problems installing the nvidea video driver (MX has a dedicated application for it- just type nvidia in the menu box, press enter and it installs, but for unkown reasons, the driver kept insisting on giving me 640x480 only). Also, not that big deal: the Google Earth that MX tries to install refuses to install. I had to download the .deb file and manually install that.

Are these things that can be addressed?

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:22 pm**

colin_b wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:46 pm
Almost not directly related to the distro itself: I had many problems installing the nvidea video driver...
Are these things that can be addressed?

Yes indeed. Reminding them to check spelling before posting may help.

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:21 pm**

colin_b wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:46 pm
Almost not directly related to the distro itself: I had many problems installing the nvidea video driver (MX has a dedicated application for it- just type nvidia in the menu box, press enter and it installs, but for unkown reasons, the driver kept insisting on giving me 640x480 only). Also, not that big deal: the Google Earth that MX tries to install refuses to install. I had to download the .deb file and manually install that.
Are these things that can be addressed?

The nvidia thing is a bit of a mystery. I think I tried to help that person in the forum.

Google Earth is on the list. Hopefully this weekend.

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:39 pm**

Great job.

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:47 pm**

Google is killing off the 6.0.3 version of Google Earth that Debian's googleearth-package script/MXPI was downloading, so they no longer have it available for download. We're looking into having MXPI use the new 7.3 GE Pro that they offer instead.

Posted: **Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:35 am**

Hi! I'm the guy that posted the Distrowatch review that addressed the "Almost not directly related to the distro itself" "cons"...

@dolphin_oracle - sorry, you tried to help a different person on the forum, not me, but I read that thread... My problem "magically" solved itself after a nvidia driver instalation that went wrong -giving me no graphical interface (yes I used the official MX nvidia install about half a dozen times to try solutions that were suggested on the forum...), I rebooted one time after one install and for reason the nvidia control panel started showing more screen resolutions. to this day I don't know what happened, I'm just happy it's working now...

The google earth install isn't such a big deal, but it may shoo away some linux newbies. Probably easy to solve by changing the file "MX tools" points to...

The only real cons I can think off that are really MX "fault" are:
- the from=usb option I had to use to be able to boot from usb (probably related to my funky 10 years old motherboard). Funny story: if I try to boot without that option I get a kernel error, with a option to continue booting. If I do so I'm presented with a copy of antiX screen and menu but the system does not respond to any input from the keyboard or the mouse :-)
- Also I bet that for non english speaking newbie users having to change Firefox UI language is a bit scary (it's on the manual, I guess but there's no portuguese version of the manual yet- yes I could help with that but, it's a huge enterprise, it's 150 pages...).

I gave MX top marks on my (very positive) review :-)

Posted: **Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:14 am**

PPC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:35 am (...) there's no portuguese version of the manual yet- yes I could help with that but, it's a huge enterprise, it's 150 pages...).

I've started translating the manual into Portuguese some months ago - I've got sections 1 to 4 and 8 - but some difficulties made me stop for a while. Then I've translated icewm and spacefm (not an antix resource on Transfifex - it's an IgnorantGuru resource there - but an antix important component). I'll try to get back to the manual, solve the issues I had, and provide the translations to the coordinators.
Any support will be welcome.

Posted: **Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:37 am**

Easiest would be to make use of the GitHub account, where the most recent Manual sections are available as odt files and where there is a "tr" folder that you can use, later making a pull request. Should make a separate thread for this topic.

Posted: **Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:42 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:37 am Easiest would be to make use of the GitHub account, where the most recent Manual sections are available as odt files and where there is a "tr" folder that you can use, later making a pull request. Should make a separate thread for this topic.

OK, I'll get in touch when I'm ready.

Posted: **Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:48 am**

hi!
Just to let you know that Google Earth auto-updated from MX update... I guess that "con" is stricked out... Too bad I can't point that out on my review on distrowatch. I think it would not be "fair" to do another review and give MX 10 again, just to mention this. I notice that it's ( Google Earth, I mean) prone to crashing (it was even before the auto update). I wonder if that's just a buggy app or something on my system? The android version is rock solid...
Thank you for solving that small annoyance, MX team!

P.

Posted: **Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:17 am**

PPC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:48 am I think it would not be "fair" to do another review and give MX 10 again, just to mention this.

Well it would be fair to mention a change. Besides, you can do it in my name, I never posted any review on distrowatch... ;-)

Posted: **Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:47 am**

PPC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:48 am hi!
Just to let you know that Google Earth auto-updated from MX update... I guess that "con" is stricked out... Too bad I can't point that out on my review on distrowatch. I think it would not be "fair" to do another review and give MX 10 again, just to mention this. I notice that it's ( Google Earth, I mean) prone to crashing (it was even before the auto update). I wonder if that's just a buggy app or something on my system? The android version is rock solid...
Thank you for solving that small annoyance, MX team!

P.

we don't mind, really. its nice to get stuff pointed out, and you were perfectly honest so no worries!

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:06 am**

There's a post in the comments section of this week's issue of DWW that says MX's RAM usage on startup is 500MB.

Really? I seem to recall mine is around 400MB or slightly less, and that was with autostartup of conky, radiotray, variety and possibly compiz.

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:29 pm**

RAM usage really depends on what you start at boot and after as well as available RAM.

When I only have <= 2 GB of RAM I am much more reluctant to start (un)necessary services at boot.
With => 8 GB RAM I prefer that services are started at boot and I start apps as I need them.

I am using 571 of 7661 MB after boot with the following started at boot:
CPU Graph, System Load Monitor, Sensor Plugin, Ethernet and Wlan Network Monitors, Dropbox,
MX-Notifier, CherryTree, ClipIt, HPLIP Status Service, Indicator Key-Lock, qBittorrent, redshift-gtk,
audio volume, battery status indicator, MX USB unmounter, DateTime applet, and the Weather Update applet. I'm sure that I could stop many of these from starting at boot but would then have to start most of them from a script. A few would only be started when needed, like the HP Printer status and the qBittorrent, MX Notifier & Unmounter but I'd rather not have to remember or wait for them.

And now after starting up Palemoon, DoubleCommander and making CherryTree visible
I am using 1760 of 7661 MB.

I usually also have >2 LibreOffice document open, as well as VLC media player. After a few hours of use,
I am usually using > 3000 of 7661 MB. I do not have a swap partition or an active conky.

Posted: **Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:04 am**

Mine runs at 651mb before running everything else. Once I start opening other things it goes up obviously. Right now with Firefox and Thunderbird open I am at 1.09GB. What's the problem with that?

Posted: **Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:26 pm**

Can not install on a pure EFI system. USB boots intermittently, tried multiple USB sticks. When in the livedemo gparted keeps saying overlapping partitions. Same disk installs OpenSuse, debian and Mint no problems. I am done

Is this a problem?

Posted: **Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:32 pm**

colin_b wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:26 pm
Can not install on a pure EFI system. USB boots intermittently, tried multiple USB sticks. When in the livedemo gparted keeps saying overlapping partitions. Same disk installs OpenSuse, debian and Mint no problems. I am done
Is this a problem?

it is, but its with the user's system, not our setup. fehlix has a post up with a repair procedure.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:48 pm**

Yeah, the review above killed our average by giving us a "1". The next review refutes the complaint with

Overlapping partitions was not reported, in any case a system with that error is not in a safe condition as it has danger of data corruption in the overlapping area. Needs rectification before an installation. If an Installation fails due that error be thankful, it can save a painful experience at a later date.

How do you get overlapping partitions, anyway?

Posted: **Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:13 pm**

This is a bit rich...

It is better to recommend a distro like Fedora Xfce because it is more intuitive, more up-to-date, easier to install, more stable, yes more stable and more secure (firewall, Selinux) from the first use.

More stable? Really?

From Fedora reviews https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resou ... tro=fedora

Some of the kernel updates kill the xfce installation. Keep a backup. Not very reliable!

Posted: **Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:04 pm**

Version: 17.1
Rating: 4
Date: 2018-10-24
Votes: 0

After using MX-Linux for a couple of months, a few issues have surfaced. Let me preface by saying I am not a newb nor am I an expert with linux distros. MX-linux seems to corrupt very easily. For instance flatpaks usually do not run. Indicators point to an issue creating directories (and no, I am not going to run every flatpak with sudo commands...shouldn't have to).

My video editors, Shotcut and Flowblade, can no longer open any files, video or otherwise. I could criticize the finickiness of shotcut all day, but these apps should open video files with absolute ease. My guess is ffmpeg, but reinstalls do absolutely nothing.

After a recent home directory corruption (my guess anyway), MX-linux simply would not login to user sessions. No errors to evaluate, nothing. Only root sessions worked. This is poor error handling for any operating system. No recovery options in any way.

I have no idea about the points being made, but I thought they are worth a mention if problems exist.

Posted: **Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:14 pm**

The flatpak issue is one I've reported upstream. When running under sysvinit /dev/shm isn't where flatpak expects and apps won't start. First I found was discord but it doesn't supris me that there are others.

If the user updated flatpak from the test repo the problem is actaually worse.

Running apps as sudo won't help as its not really a permission issue.

The issue is not present running systemd.

As to his home.folder...I suspect since he can't open files that he changed the permissions on his home folder. The solution being to change them back. That's a guess of course but one we've seen from time to time especially since the permission change tools are in the thunar right click menu. That would also prevent his user login. I think mx17 might have shipped with the older version of the change owner function that didn't reset the gksu password before running running the command thereby requiring the password.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:09 am**

@D_O, @Stevo

Maybe that flatpak update in the Test Repo should be withdrawn for the moment?

You mentioned this buggy behaviour in the Flatpak Thread under Package Requests. With an actual report of the problem in DW's MX review page , it seems to me that leaving the flatpak update in Test Repo will lead to more problems than it's worth.

There will always be users who keep Test Repo permanently enabled and choose to update whatever's in there indiscriminately.

Or they may specifically update flatpak out of interest, but then get upset when it doesn't work well, even though it's a TEST repo. And in this case it's a flaw in flatpak itself.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:40 am**

I understand that flatpacks are a feature that many are attracted to. It seems they are more trouble than they are worth. Our packagers cede control to some other packager and therefore cannot really vouch for the quality of the package. In full disclosure I have never been a fan and that influences my opinion.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:58 am**

@rich,

Your comments appear to be focused on the packages that are packaged in flatpak format.

What D_O said in the Flatpak thread was that the present version of the Flatpak program (not the apps packaged as flatpaks) in the Stable repo was ok, but not the one in Test Repo.

viewtopic.php?p=464056#p464056

So I'm just saying, keep the one in Stable Repo and withdraw the Test Repo version.

And I would think most people would only use flatpak apps as a last resort when you truly needed a version of a package not possible to be packaged in the Debian way for MX's native system by our packaging team. Like D_O said in his blog, it's just another option.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:22 am**

asqwerth wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:58 am @rich,

Your comments appear to be focused on the packages that are packaged in flatpak format.

.............................
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And I would think most people would only use flatpak apps as a last resort when you truly needed a version of a package not possible to be packaged in the Debian way for MX's native system by our packaging team. Like D_O said in his blog, it's just another option.

I think that is a hope.

In your opinion, however, is the premise I posed that some control of the packaging is lost with flatpacks invalid? I think that still applies.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:36 am**

richb wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:22 am
asqwerth wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:58 am @rich,

Your comments appear to be focused on the packages that are packaged in flatpak format.

.............................
............................

And I would think most people would only use flatpak apps as a last resort when you truly needed a version of a package not possible to be packaged in the Debian way for MX's native system by our packaging team. Like D_O said in his blog, it's just another option.
I think that is a hope.

In your opinion, however, is the premise I posed that some control of the packaging is lost with flatpacks invalid? I think that still applies.

Sure, but then it's the same way with Appimage too. For some things that can't be packaged any further by our team (or which might cause some issues), having other options is good, right?

Examples -
Libreoffice 6 appimage for MX15/16?
VLC 3 flatpak for MX15/16, viewtopic.php?p=448322#p448322

And from what I've read in the Krita thread, latest version can't be packaged for MX17, so Appimage it is.

viewtopic.php?p=463488#p463488

The first 2 are what I use in MX15/16. And Lollypop as a flatpak.

Krita in MX15/16 - I have an appimage as well.

I don't think I have krita at all in MX17.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:38 am**

So I'm just saying, keep the one in Stable Repo and withdraw the Test Repo version.

Agreed. Sent a msg to pkgrs asking them to pease look at that.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:43 am**

I am not sure if that is good. We tout "it just works". This flatpack model reminds me in some ways of Windows in that users go on the net and grab a program from an unknown source. Flatpack seems to mirror that. I maybe missing something. In any case I will cease and desist It is only my opinion and unlikely to change anyone's mind.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:56 am**

richb wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:43 am This flatpack model reminds me in some ways of Windows in that users go on the net and grab a program from an unknown source. Flatpack seems to mirror that. I maybe missing something. In any case I will cease and desist It is only my opinion and unlikely to change anyone's mind.

I already got rid of it... No flatpack for me

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:08 am**

richb wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:43 am I am not sure if that is good. We tout "it just works". This flatpack model reminds me in some ways of Windows in that users go on the net and grab a program from an unknown source. Flatpack seems to mirror that. I maybe missing something. In any case I will cease and desist It is only my opinion and unlikely to change anyone's mind.

+2. I don't plan to ever use it or Snaps or Appimages. It's pretty rare that a newer version has features that are essential unless one has SNS syndrome.
I have looked at a couple and was scared away merely by their size, but I think it's fundamentally bad for Linux to do packaging the Windows way.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:19 am**

<annoyance>
I'm getting bit tired of Fedora users knocking MX, giving it very low scores because it doesn't do what Fedora does.
</annoyance>

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:41 am**

I don't actually get bothered so much by the negative reviews there. Sometimes they have a point (like the flatpak thing) and sometimes they don't.

You can't please everyone all of the time, and most readers of the reviews will assess the comments with some commonsense. Where they have a point, we can act on it. Where they don't, the weight of the evidence of the other more positive reviews will help readers decide.

Also, as someone who long ago installed Fedora LXDE (bleh) and is still using Korora Gnome, I can say that:

1. the Fedora installer is pretty intimidating and not so easy to use;
2. without Korora making the Fedora base easier to use by enabling by default the non-free RPMFusion repos and preinstalling things like non-free codecs, etc, Fedora is not as user-friendly as MX to set up in my opinion. Is it really more intuitive? Hmm.

Pretty subjective, IMO.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:58 am**

richb wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:43 am I am not sure if that is good. We tout "it just works". This flatpack model reminds me in some ways of Windows in that users go on the net and grab a program from an unknown source. Flatpack seems to mirror that. I maybe missing something. In any case I will cease and desist

+3
I've never had joy from flatpacks I've tried previously in Mint and now in MX, and the lack of developer control worries me. (I mean the developers of the OS I'm using).
But as richb said

It is only my opinion and unlikely to change anyone's mind.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:15 pm**

I asked Tim to pull 1.0.4 from the TR.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:09 pm**

Great picture! Will you do my tombstone?

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:10 pm**

Redacted wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:09 pm Great picture! Will you do my tombstone?

That's kind of morbid, but it fits the season. But you can make your own easily at that site.

Posted: **Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:23 pm**

Version: 17.1
Rating: 8
Date: 2018-10-31
Votes: 0

Ran MX Linux fjor 6 months and enjoyed the experience, except for one issue; no video codecs for my go-to browser, Vivaldi. I may have missed something but apparently the necessary package is not in the Stretch repository and wasn't to be found in Buster's either. As I'm not willing to compromise when it comes to apps I wish to run, I had to look elsewhere to solve this problem. Other than that, MX Linux rates a 10.

The reviewer obviously didn't search forum posts.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=46666

Posted: **Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:53 am**

I've been considering adding Fedora to a spare partition on my SATA HDD.

Not a big deal when I added Mint recently, avoiding any Grub changes along the way. Mint is , well, minty fresh and dull but quite functional if you like that sort of thing and are happy with fresh and dull.

But Fedora's installer/partitioner approach is quite discouraging, with the manual not making things very clear. Installing seems a fast track for partition ruination, not something I want to deal with just to try out Fedora. Creating custom mount points and locations, along with size, seem to be particularly obtuse and murky functions.

I didn't have much luck with the latest Puppy and OpenSUSE DVDs I created after Unetbootin efforts to create Live USBs proved erratic in their efficacy.

I have even found a new use for MX-16, being that it somehow picks up a wifi signal some considerable distance away that I can connect to courtesy of my mobile phone provider, using it to trickle download aforementioned *'iso files for research purposes.

I have also added the GKrellM monitor to MX-17, streamlining some of the display panel output and detail. Of note is that an android tethered for internet does display above the usb0 field, although C0nky does not show UP/DN statistics, the latter a topic that came up in a recent thread.

Posted: **Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:06 am**

colin_b wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:23 pm

The reviewer obviously didn't search forum posts.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=46666

That user didn't ask either in the forum by posting a message of the issue that user was having.

Posted: **Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:22 am**

tascoast wrote: I have also added the GKrellM monitor to MX-17, streamlining some of the display panel output and detail. Of note is that an android tethered for internet does display above the usb0 field, although C0nky does not show UP/DN statistics, the latter a topic that came up in a recent thread.

The problem is that you can't see anything in the attached pictures because they are too small...

Posted: **Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:52 pm**

Here's another lovely 1 out of 10 review from today:

Well. I really liked how the distro looks. Like a set of programs. It features my favorite XFCE desktop environment but... This is an incredible piece of sh*t! It hangs every now and then.

The first time I encountered a hang, was during installation from bootable USB when manually partitioning a hard drive, after pressing an Apply button the system did not respond for 10 minutes and I had to press reset.

A second time was when I updated the system and decided to put nvidia drivers. That was a bad idea as I got a bricked device. The system just did not start after that. I had to tweak GRUB go to terminal and type a special ddm-mx command to remove nvidia drivers.

A third time, I just left the system in login screen for 30mins. When I was back and started typing my password, the system suddenly hung just after I typed a half of my password and no response or any reaction from it. Pressing RESTART again! :(

To sum it up. It is very unstable. No way I am putting it now on my computer.

Seems a bit presumptous to call MX unstable when so many other machines run so great with it. It makes me wonder if the poster got a bad download or has some hardware going bad. Too bad they didn't post any hardware data to help us address any possible issue, just a venting of wrath.

Posted: **Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:17 pm**

In reply of "#115 Unread post by Stevo » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:52 pm " This sounds like one of those from a certain Linux distro's community that is not allowed to be mentioned on this forum. I know from my own experience and is why I am using MX Linux and not that distro as I don't associate with trash like that. For Stevo and the rest of the MX Linux development team I know those comments hurt from that trash who posted those lies, but don't take that trash's comments seriously because that's they way they are.

Posted: **Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:51 pm**

For some people, the problem is always something or someone else.
Guess we'll never know the OP's real problem.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:55 pm**

Only one drawback here, but on both machines: suspend/resume does not work as expected. Sometimes I get logged out on resume (on both machines). This is frustrating if you have some work open.

Other distros did not have these problems on these machines.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:16 pm**

Without info on GPU, kernel, etc. it's hard to do much. Most of the time in my limited realm of experience, the "other distros" are usually running later software versions of one kind or another.

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:59 pm**

Across the board, whether it's Intel or AMD built-in GPU, discreet PCI or PCI-e video cards using AMD or Nvidia chipsets, in all my use case scenarios dual-monitor support is iffy and require lots of fiddling. Laptop lid closing detection and management is a major problem as FX does not properly detect ACPI "signals" and ignores that the display went in sleep mode. So, I had to write a script and attach it to a function key so that I can "wake-up" the display when I need to. This is not limited to one particular laptop brand or model, basically it happens on HP, ACER and LENOVO. On these same laptops I never encountered this problem with Mint 18.3.

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:42 pm**

Problems with dual monitors is nothing new. When I was tutoring, more than a few years ago, running Win XP on a Toshiba Portege Tablet, was never quite sure if the class could see anything on the larger 2nd monitor facing in their direction.

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:31 pm**

I know GNOME 3 can handle it, but it's a resource hog.

Posted: **Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:56 am**

Version: 17.1
Rating: 3
Date: 2018-11-23
Votes: 0

Pros: fluid, low energy consumption, snapshot.

Cons: unstable and fragile in depth; problems periodically.
I spend my time adjusting the booties, which degrades my productivity.

I advise you to come by for a rkhunter from time to time to see what I'm talking about...

N.B.: Firewall activated and well adjusted. Clamav, no downloads outside Synaptic, well secured firefox (Noscript, HTTPSeverywhere, UBlock Origin, Privacy Badger), Apparmor active.

I have not had any security problems elsewhere (Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, CenOS). Fluidity is certain, but not at the expense of essential things. There you go.

I have got no idea what this is review is talking about.

Posted: **Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:02 pm**

What the heck does "fluid" mean in the Pros?

Posted: **Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:51 pm**

Probably fluid=fast, smooth... (As. vs. quoted Ubuntu/ Mint on some 5+year old PC)

This was the reason I switched myself from Mint... But then the productivity should actually have gone up...
Had never a problem with MX since.

I'd rather wonder what is his story with that rootkit thingy, firewall etc!? Anyway, 3/10!? I could only give such, if some crazy distro bricked my SSD... And still furious I would run to a dialup modem to write a review.

Maybe the next diversion from the "others"...

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:18 am**

I spend my time adjusting the booties, which degrades my productivity.

precious.
priceless!

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:01 am**

What are booties?

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:05 am**

GuiGuy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:01 am What are booties?

Edit grub?

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:34 pm**

I spend my time adjusting the booties, which degrades my productivity.

GuiGuy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:01 am What are booties?

He outgrew his baby shoes, and instead of buying ones that fit, he keeps trying to loosen the laces or latches, and that distracted him so much it affected his experience with MX?

Shoes that don't fit can ruin everything!

I don't know, just a wild guess.

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:24 pm**

In retrospect, I regret placing that earleir post.
My LOL reaction to reading that quoted bit stemmed from being too pedantic, too literal, and a few fries short of a happymeal.
(BTW, no one has noticed (and cared to edit) the missssspelled "review" in the topic title here???)
~~ didn't intend to backbite or attack the reviewer

Onward, in our collective ongoing suffrage of retribution for the Tower of Babel...

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:50 pm**

colin_b wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:56 am
Version: 17.1
Rating: 3
Date: 2018-11-23
Votes: 0

Pros: fluid, low energy consumption, snapshot.

Cons: unstable and fragile in depth; problems periodically.
I spend my time adjusting the booties, which degrades my productivity.

I advise you to come by for a rkhunter from time to time to see what I'm talking about...

N.B.: Firewall activated and well adjusted. Clamav, no downloads outside Synaptic, well secured firefox (Noscript, HTTPSeverywhere, UBlock Origin, Privacy Badger), Apparmor active.

I have not had any security problems elsewhere (Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, CenOS). Fluidity is certain, but not at the expense of essential things. There you go.
I have got no idea what this is review is talking about.

The review sounds like it was written by someone who is 6 beers short of a 6 pack.

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:28 pm**

[redacted]
(and PM sent, instead)

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:33 pm**

I went by that reviewer's place to pick up the rkhunter as invited, but they wouldn't answer the door.

"Where's my free rkhunter?" I shouted while pounding the door. "I can hear you in there! You can't just post

I advise you to come by for a rkhunter from time to time to see what I'm talking about...

and then not deliver!" I screamed as I rammed into the door with my shoulder, breaking the lock. Like Venom in that movie, I fluidly slipped through the five cm gap opened up, and spied the OP as he tried to escape out the back door. That effort was doomed to fail, as his ill-fitting booties, part of the onesie he was wearing, slipped off his feet and he tumbled headlong down the stairs.

"Dammit!" he screamed as he ripped the booties off and flung them at me. "I kept adjusting those, now where's my productivity?" Then his eyes opened wide as my symbiote's tentacles whipped around his neck and we loomed over him.

"Now can we have our rkhunter?" we rumbled. "And then we'll talk about that Distrowatch review..."

(to be continued)

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:46 pm**

The OP writhed free and ran around the street in front of his house, but froze as the neural toxin that the tentacles had injects paralyzed everything below his neck. He stared at the van driver with a mute appeal for aid crawling across his face. We then stunned the van and cart drivers with sonic waves to avoid any witnesses. The OP's face was a masque of horror as, without his volition, his body marched backwards to where we awaited.

https://boingboing.net/2018/11/22/holid ... -a-st.html

Posted: **Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:03 pm**

Hmmm...another one that seems to spread FUD without providing any specifics, IMO. What's messy? Can you provide examples so those can be fixed? Nope...just gonna provide a poor review at DW.

Version: 17.1
Rating: 7
Date: 2018-11-26
Votes: 0

MXLinux is good for laptops with basic linux users who want something
that looks decent and runs fast. But once you get into the advanced customization,
you'll find that MXLinux is very messy.

I started using MXLinux hoping it would be the perfect os, as customizable
and sane as gentoo, but already configured for desktops. MXLinux did not live up
to my expectations.

Posted: **Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:00 pm**

Hard to know if they are referring to visual customisation or generally tweaking the system (since he says that Gentoo is very customisable and sane!).

Could be general dissatisfaction with xfce, or just a Debian vs Gentoo thing?

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:03 am**

@Stevo - your posts about the way you and your simbiont dealt with the "bootie" poster was as priceless has that DW review.
I'm glad it's not just me wondering about what he/she refered as "booties". Maybe the Grub "boot"(ie) menu? I'm not a native English speaker, so I'm aware how easy it sometimes is to make a monumental mistake writing in anything other than my native language... So I'll give the guy (or gal) some slack... Once you post a DW review it's set in stone, you can't edit it...
At least it provided a fun read

P.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:48 am**

Stevo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:33 pm I went by that reviewer's place to pick up the rkhunter as invited, but they wouldn't answer the door...

Stevo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:46 pm ...his body marched backwards to where we awaited.

Very moving.

Audio version of this masterpiece https://vocaroo.com/i/s17MEjUGNGok

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:32 am**

Pros: fluid, low energy consumption, snapshot.

Cons: unstable and fragile in depth; problems periodically.
I spend my time adjusting the booties, which degrades my productivity.

I advise you to come by for a rkhunter from time to time to see what I'm talking about...

N.B.: Firewall activated and well adjusted. Clamav, no downloads outside Synaptic, well secured firefox (Noscript, HTTPSeverywhere, UBlock Origin, Privacy Badger), Apparmor active.

I have not had any security problems elsewhere (Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, CenOS). Fluidity is certain, but not at the expense of essential things. There you go.

Near as I can tell, this reviewer has muddled a critique of linux with one on laxatives. Someone should tell him not to toke and type at the same time.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:30 pm**

j2mcgreg wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:32 am Someone should tell him not to toke and type at the same time.

...that is good advice for all reviewers of all things, booties or no. :)

Posted: **Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:42 am**

hi everyone!

One more confusing (to me) review (or reveiw???

)
"MXLinux is good for laptops with basic linux users who want something that looks decent and runs fast. But once you get into the advanced customization, you'll find that MXLinux is very messy. "
I'm not really into advanced customization on MX, but what could this reviewer be talking about? Is there anything I'm missing? He/she talks about Gentoo, which I've never tried... ("as customizable and sane as gentoo, but already configured for desktops")
How exactly is Gentoo "saner" than MX???

P.

Posted: **Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:27 am**

PPC wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:42 am He/she talks about Gentoo, which I've never tried... ("as customizable and sane as gentoo, but already configured for desktops") How exactly is Gentoo "saner" than MX???

There is no way one can compare Gentoo and MX. These are two different words.
It is like difference between regular car user/driver and someone who is a mechanic and who constantly (as good mechanic) tweaks his engine setting to get extra horse power or what's not.

(S)he will not be happy with anything other than Gentoo so why even bother?

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:45 pm**

I really don't get it, did the guy not start with antiX before moving on to MX... It could have been 10/10 for antiX!? Bad one can not reply to such reviews...

---------------------
Version: 17.1
Rating: 7
Date: 2018-12-03
Votes: 0

Great distro! The only thing that prevents me from using it is the theme and the Desktop environment!

I would like to have a chance to use rox + icewm or lxde vanilla..LXQT and xfce are too heavy for my laptop, an fluxbox version with rox would also be a great option !

Posted: **Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:12 pm**

aledie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:45 pm I really don't get it, did the guy not start with antiX before moving on to MX... It could have been 10/10 for antiX!? Bad one can not reply to such reviews...

---------------------
Version: 17.1
Rating: 7
Date: 2018-12-03
Votes: 0

Great distro! The only thing that prevents me from using it is the theme and the Desktop environment!

I would like to have a chance to use rox + icewm or lxde vanilla..LXQT and xfce are too heavy for my laptop, an fluxbox version with rox would also be a great option !

Yes, we keep getting 10/10 reviews, some 9's, then oddballs like this come in and kill our average. I wouldn't mind if they had a legitimate point, but to knock off points because their machine is too old to run xfce?

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:01 am**

Version: 18
Rating: 9
Date: 2018-12-20
Votes: 2

The only feature i would like to see implemented is Nvidia-Prime instead of Bumblebee or at least an option to choose from it, as far as vulkan is not supported by bumblebee it makes no sense to use it anymore for gaming on Linux, DXVK is rocking baby!

Posted: **Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:33 pm**

Version: 18
Rating: 7
Date: 2018-12-25
Votes: 1

Had 17.1 installed. Was working fine, until I could not boot because no video.

Tried 18.0. I need to make changes using gsettings, but gsettings was not installed. Tried dconf-editor, and was able to make settings changes, but they did not take because they were never applied.

Then tried to install the gsettings program, which means I had to install libglib2.0-bin. However, this meant Gimp had to be removed, along with some mX-specific version of some package.

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:37 pm**

colin_b wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:33 pm
Version: 18
Rating: 7
Date: 2018-12-25
Votes: 1

Had 17.1 installed. Was working fine, until I could not boot because no video.

Tried 18.0. I need to make changes using gsettings, but gsettings was not installed. Tried dconf-editor, and was able to make settings changes, but they did not take because they were never applied.

Then tried to install the gsettings program, which means I had to install libglib2.0-bin. However, this meant Gimp had to be removed, along with some mX-specific version of some package.

Nonsense:

Code: Select all

$ apt policy libglib2.0-bin
libglib2.0-bin:
  Installed: 2.56.1-2~mx17+1
  Candidate: 2.56.1-2~mx17+1
  Version table:
 *** 2.56.1-2~mx17+1 500
        500 http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo stretch/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

The only way that could happen if they can't make contact with the MX repos, but that should show with some error messages.

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:26 am**

Problem came when I try to install and wasted 4-5hrs until I decided to give Linux Mint ver. 19 a try which works flawless unlike MX ver. 18.

The issue is MX ver. 18 CANNOT DETECT a new M.2 NVME drive, which I plan to install. UEFI is reading it on my mate's ThinkPad E585 (e585 bios does not have SATA to ACHI setting, which I presume ACHI should be default). I am a not-good-enough user which could be limited but I was terribly disappointed when Linux Mint 19 just work (of course, after the E585 firmware bug) and allowing it to be installed on the m.2 nvme drive!

Hopefully, the issue will be addressed soon! Thanks!

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:34 pm**

It would help if they gave some information about the drive, since maybe there are known kernel problems and fixes for specific models. But nooooooooo...

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:35 pm**

Version: 18
Rating: 10
Date: 2019-01-04
Votes: 23

So far, everything that's been broken by systemd in Mint is working in MX like the LightDM guest accounts (without the containment, or lack thereof, security bug) and the successful unmounting of encrypted directories on logout (another systemd security fail). Although you do have to edit a configuration file to enable the LightDM guest accounts (hint to the admin tool devs).

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:09 am**

Version: 18
Rating: 4
Date: 2019-01-05
Votes: 0

I use MX 18 on a USB stick for a portable backup/rescue pruposes. It runs great that way but for me it is not suitable for a permanent installation on my main PC because the current stable version of WINE is not available. I found this out after installing MX on the hard drive. I tried to install winehq-stable using using Debian Stretch repo on winehq.org and it failed. This was a deal breaker for me so I went back to Xubuntu.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:46 am**

It's a known fact that not everybody can deal healthily with other people's success... Besides the above shown transcriptions there are also these:

Version: 18
Rating: 2
Date: 2019-01-02
Votes: 32
Only another Xfce distro with some extra tools. There's no need to make such a big excitement. Xfce layout too bad.

Version: 18
Rating: 1
Date: 2019-01-04
Votes: 1
its a great distro...
but alot of bloatware

and unfortunately Distrowatch doesn't care about doing something about this kind of nonsense 'reviews' and ratings...

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:57 am**

When I hear "bloatware" about anything to me it's just a sign of how clueless is the person who is talking, if a 1.3GB operating system with Xfce DE is "bloatware" I don't know what kind of hardware they run, do they use 20 years old harddrives for which 20 MB extra or less is 50% of the disk space? For Jeebus' sake, you can get a SSD with 120 GB for $20 https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-12 ... B07GHJDX5V and a regular rotational harddisk probably bigger than that from trash for free and for 120 GB which is pretty much the smallest SSD you can buy online if you save let's say some hundreds of MB if you could it's still only 0.1% more space... geez, big deal!!!

As for RAM consumption and speed people constantly praised MX, so it's definitely not that. My suspicions is that people who talk about bloatware in Linux world are two category of people: clueless Windows users who are used with the idea that the more programs you install the slower your system gets and people who prefer command line tools, the second group has a bit of a claim, but for them there are other distros... I don't think they will ever be our target market, we constantly refer them to antiX which is much more appropriate for this kind of audience. For me as I said, I won't even try to save 0.1% space on my disk and lose a lot of functionality.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:04 am**

How can anyone write 'great distro, but ...' and score it 1.

The other review seems even more suspicious.

Code: Select all

Version: 18
Rating: 2
Date: 2019-01-02
Votes: 32
Only another Xfce distro with some extra tools. There's no need to make such a big excitement. Xfce layout too bad.

32 votes !? - suggests a deliberate attempt by X distro fanbois to discredit MX.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:11 am**

Yeah, that's how I see it too. And the wording is nearly identical to one of the comments to that LinuxGuides video I posted in the German Forum, so I bet that's where it came from.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:06 pm**

anticapitalista wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:04 am How can anyone write 'great distro, but ...' and score it 1.

Not just a great distro, the number one distro!

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:41 pm**

colin_b wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:09 am
Version: 18
Rating: 4
Date: 2019-01-05
Votes: 0

I use MX 18 on a USB stick for a portable backup/rescue pruposes. It runs great that way but for me it is not suitable for a permanent installation on my main PC because the current stable version of WINE is not available. I found this out after installing MX on the hard drive. I tried to install winehq-stable using using Debian Stretch repo on winehq.org and it failed. This was a deal breaker for me so I went back to Xubuntu.

Yeah, sorta like "I didn't like the panel on the left, so I'm going to give it a 1".
Not that the fanboi troll attacks are unexpected, now that we approach the top of the hit parade. Haters gotta hate.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:59 pm**

Version: 18
Rating: 3
Date: 2019-01-05
Votes: 20

A very buggy distro! I'll stick with Linux Mint MATE and Ubuntu MATE.

What a crock!

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:02 pm**

Thus, from these small flames sprang the great conflagration now known as the great Distrowatch rating wars of 2019.

Many were the fanbois that lost their innocence in that conflict, many were the distros that were unfairly trashed and died before their time, and the Linux world ended up even more divided than before.*

*Though historians can't understand how the last was even possible. WTF.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:08 pm**

colin_b wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:59 pm
Version: 18
Rating: 3
Date: 2019-01-05
Votes: 20

A very buggy distro! I'll stick with Linux Mint MATE and Ubuntu MATE.
What a crock!

Yeah, they're turning into the Youtube comment section. Never read those if you want to stay sane, or just use the herp derp browser extension.

Posted: **Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:52 am**

Stevo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:02 pm Thus, from these small flames sprang the great conflagration now known as the great Distrowatch rating wars of 2019.

Many were the fanbois that lost their innocence in that conflict, many were the distros that were unfairly trashed and died before their time, and the Linux world ended up even more divided than before.*

*Though historians can't understand how the last was even possible. WTF.

I don't believe the Distrowatch guys like the kind of use the funbois are giving to Distrowatch's review functionality.
On the other hand it surprises me that they publish reviews about X distro mentioning Y and Z distros, even if I can easily understand that probably it'd take them too much time sorting out the unreasonable and the 'fond of other distros' reviews. In any case, if they were addressed with the matter they might try to figure out how to improve control over the reviews a little bit further... (?)

Posted: **Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:00 pm**

Another rating knocks off a couple points because they don't bother to read the manual or ask how to to fix some small things they don't like that would take literally a few mouse clicks to change or a simple install:

Version: 18
Rating: 8
Date: 2019-01-12
Votes: 0

Just testing MX Linux 18 and I'm surprised how well it works. Normally, I'm give up a distro inside a few hours, because it doesn't work for me. MX Linux is the only one that I could imagine to work with, if I had to choose another distro. It would deserve a 10, but there are some downsides.
I don't like the Whisker Menu. It reminds me on Windows 7 and honestly, I didn't switch to Linux to get the old fashioned Windows 7 look back.
I don't like the file browser. The Mate Caja browser is much better.
Also, I can't find the setting to change the one-click mouse behaviour. It's annoying when I click on a folder and it opens immediately. I'm not great in looking for hours in the internet to solve a puzzle.
I had some issues with Seamonkey (my favourite browser), didn't keep the installed theme and had display issue after minimizing the window.
Everything else is nice and working.

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sudo apt install caja

, buddy?

Normally, I'm give up a distro inside a few hours

Can't imagine why you have troubles! /s

Posted: **Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:06 pm**

And going down the list, here's an obvious M-----o fanboi giving a 6 for no good reason:

Version: 18
Rating: 6
Date: 2019-01-11
Votes: 0

ENGLISH:

Mx Linux is perfect for normal computer use:

-Surfer on the web, read mails, use Libreoffice, watch videos online ...
-You will have access to the most recent updates of the usual software (Firefox, Libreoffice, etc ...) and the Kernel.
-By cons for gaming, the proprietary graphics drivers are not at all up to date, and the free driver is not good for gaming: for me it's eliminatory, I return to Manjaro which has its updated graphics driver ...

FRANCAIS:

Mx Linux est parfait pour l' usage normal d 'un ordinateur:

-Surfer sur le web, lire des mails, utiliser Libreoffice, regarder des vidéos en ligne...
-Vous aurez accès aux mises à jours les plus récentes des logiciels habituels (Firefox, Libreoffice, etc...) et du Kernel.
-Par contre pour le gaming, les drivers graphiques propriétaires ne sont pas du tout à jour, et le driver libre n' est pas bon pour le gaming : pour moi c' est éliminatoire, je retourne sur Manjaro qui a son driver graphique à jour...

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Posted: **Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:10 pm**

This one is catching on to the gaming of the reviews:

Version: 18
Rating: 10
Date: 2019-01-08
Votes: 16

It responds with alacrity on older hardware (it's as fast as Puppy, but with more stuff included). Also it is very well thought out. As an MX user, I would guess that some of these lower-rated reviews are left by the competition...

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:16 am**

Stevo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:00 pm Another rating knocks off a couple points because they don't bother to read the manual or ask how to to fix some small things they don't like that would take literally a few mouse clicks to change or a simple install:

Version: 18
Rating: 8
Date: 2019-01-12
Votes: 0

[snip] ...I don't like the file browser. The Mate Caja browser is much better.
Also, I can't find the setting to change the one-click mouse behaviour. It's annoying when I click on a folder and it opens immediately. I'm not great in looking for hours in the internet to solve a puzzle...
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sudo apt install caja
, buddy?

Normally, I'm give up a distro inside a few hours
Can't imagine why you have troubles! /s

To be honest, I still don't know why we don't make double-click the default setup. IMO, most people nowadays are not so used to single-click except for KDE users

But the reviewer's claim that it's difficult to find the setting in Thunar to change the one-click behaviour is also a little suspicious. Don't most Linux file managers have their settings in Menu Bar >> Edit >> Preferences, like Thunar?

Caja's settings: https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux ... roperties/

...Caja's preferences. It is typically accessible through the "Edit" menu in Caja browser windows,... You can specify appearance preferences for the Default View; and defaults for Icon, Compact, List, and Tree View; and select sort options and display options. You can configure Caja to recognize Single or Double Click input; ...

Does one really need to search for hours on the internet to find the answer? (yes I know it's in MX Tweak, but just a quick exploration of Thunar's settings by this apparent MATE fan would have solved it.)

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:41 am**

asqwerth wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:16 am
Stevo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:00 pm

To be honest, I still don't know why we don't make double-click the default setup. IMO, most people nowadays are not so used to single-click except for KDE users

But the reviewer's claim that it's difficult to find the setting in Thunar to change the one-click behaviour is also a little suspicious. Don't most Linux file managers have their settings in Menu Bar >> Edit >> Preferences, like Thunar?

Caja's settings: https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux ... roperties/

...Caja's preferences. It is typically accessible through the "Edit" menu in Caja browser windows,... You can specify appearance preferences for the Default View; and defaults for Icon, Compact, List, and Tree View; and select sort options and display options. You can configure Caja to recognize Single or Double Click input; ...

Does one really need to search for hours on the internet to find the answer? (yes I know it's in MX Tweak, but just a quick exploration of Thunar's settings by this apparent MATE fan would have solved it.)
I find the single click method much easier. I don't know of any distros that have double click as a default setting.
Double click always confused me, but I guess for Windows users coming to Linux it makes sense.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:32 am**

I find the single click method much easier. I don't know of any distros that have double click as a default setting.
Double click always confused me, but I guess for Windows users coming to Linux it makes sense.

Double click is the default on quite a few Distros, Most ubuntu, Mint are defaulted to it. I'm with you I always go in and change it to single click and no it does not take hours to find it. it is relatively simple. If that is the only thing wrong then they are fighting windmills.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:20 am**

kc1di wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:32 am
I find the single click method much easier. I don't know of any distros that have double click as a default setting.
Double click always confused me, but I guess for Windows users coming to Linux it makes sense.
Double click is the default on quite a few Distros, Most ubuntu, Mint are defaulted to it. I'm with you I always go in and change it to single click and no it does not take hours to find it. it is relatively simple. If that is the only thing wrong then they are fighting windmills.

How do you select multiple files or directories when you want to copy, cut or delete them if it always opens the first one you click on? I prefer to tell my computer what I want it to do, not have it elbow me aside and try to make decisions for me. ("Oi, you left-clicked on that! You must want to open it, eh? Here, let me do it for you.") I find that very annoying and Windows-like, but it's extremely simple to fix in Thunar (Edit/Preferences/Behavior.) Whoever wrote the review must not have spent more than 5 minutes using MX if s/he couldn't figure it out. Probably had a deadline to meet in a few minutes.

(ISTR that Mint's file manager also defaulted to single-click, at least in Cinnamon (which used Caja.) I've no idea about Ubuntu's.)

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:31 am**

I click on the field next to the name, so on type or size, then drag down to select the others.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:34 am**

Hi JayM,
I have no problems with single click and copying and pasting multiple files. just mouse over the first file in the list then hit shift key and click on the last file you want to copy right click and choose copy or cut and copy them to any place you want.

Never been a problem here. I'm not sure about Cinnamon haven't used it in a while but in mate and xfce Mint they default to double click.
guess you just have to get use to single click if you don't like it or can't adjust just change it back to double click. It really should not be an issue. One thing about linux is you almost always have choices.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:36 am**

Mint Cinnamon's file manager = Nemo, not Caja.

My current Mint install is still 17 (upgraded to 17.3) but I could have sworn it had double click behaviour by default.

I hardly boot into it nowadays so I"m not intending to install another Mint when it hits End of Life in April 2019.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:00 am**

asqwerth wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:36 am ... but I could have sworn it had double click behaviour by default

You are right. It has double-click by default. I've got LM 19 Cinnamon on an external SSD. I find single click much more convenient.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:37 am**

asqwerth wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:16 am To be honest, I still don't know why we don't make double-click the default setup. IMO, most people nowadays are not so used to single-click except for KDE users

I'm on that page, too. Single-click tends to lead to problems for new users, too, selecting and then with copy/move files.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:55 am**

Probably best to put it in the Bug Manager > Report a bug > MX Linux Development (I think all Devs have access to that, check with Rich if not), where I just added MX 18.1 as a version choice. That way, we don't have to remember it during the next development phase.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:02 pm**

asqwerth wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:16 am
Stevo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:00 pm Another rating knocks off a couple points because they don't bother to read the manual or ask how to to fix some small things they don't like that would take literally a few mouse clicks to change or a simple install:

Version: 18
Rating: 8
Date: 2019-01-12
Votes: 0

[snip] ...I don't like the file browser. The Mate Caja browser is much better.
Also, I can't find the setting to change the one-click mouse behaviour. It's annoying when I click on a folder and it opens immediately. I'm not great in looking for hours in the internet to solve a puzzle...
Code: Select all
sudo apt install caja
, buddy?

Normally, I'm give up a distro inside a few hours
Can't imagine why you have troubles! /s
To be honest, I still don't know why we don't make double-click the default setup. IMO, most people nowadays are not so used to single-click except for KDE users

But the reviewer's claim that it's difficult to find the setting in Thunar to change the one-click behaviour is also a little suspicious. Don't most Linux file managers have their settings in Menu Bar >> Edit >> Preferences, like Thunar?

Caja's settings: https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux ... roperties/

...Caja's preferences. It is typically accessible through the "Edit" menu in Caja browser windows,... You can specify appearance preferences for the Default View; and defaults for Icon, Compact, List, and Tree View; and select sort options and display options. You can configure Caja to recognize Single or Double Click input; ...

Does one really need to search for hours on the internet to find the answer? (yes I know it's in MX Tweak, but just a quick exploration of Thunar's settings by this apparent MATE fan would have solved it.)

I concur. This looks like someone who has been using Linux longer than I have since I never heard of Caja. The poster knows of Caja which I never heard of but doesn't know Xfce but knows KDE and Mate. LOL People who came from using Windows are accustom to double clicking so I could understand on why mentioning it should be default, but it's easy to change it from single click to double click. Instead of reading the manual this poster rather do it the hard way searching the Internet. This poster couldn't find a prostitute in a brothel.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:10 pm**

asqwerth wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:36 am Mint Cinnamon's file manager = Nemo, not Caja.

My current Mint install is still 17 (upgraded to 17.3) but I could have sworn it had double click behaviour by default.

I hardly boot into it nowadays so I"m not intending to install another Mint when it hits End of Life in April 2019.

The review did say he wanted Mate's Caja instead of Thunar. Not sure how Cinnamon got involved.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:08 pm**

Stevo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:10 pm
asqwerth wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:36 am Mint Cinnamon's file manager = Nemo, not Caja.

My current Mint install is still 17 (upgraded to 17.3) but I could have sworn it had double click behaviour by default.

I hardly boot into it nowadays so I"m not intending to install another Mint when it hits End of Life in April 2019.
The review did say he wanted Mate's Caja instead of Thunar. Not sure how Cinnamon got involved.

I was replying to someone in the thread.

Posted: **Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:20 pm**

You're right, it's Nemo. Caja's for MATE. Slip of the brain there. I tested a couple of dozen Linux distros over a year ago (before deciding on Mint at the time) and got them mixed up.

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:57 pm**

Here's a couple new ones that knocked off points because they didn't read or understand the manual and system...or something.

Version: 18
Rating: 7
Date: 2019-01-21
Votes: 5

Installs quickly and easily. With Xfce desktop is fast and efficient on resources. However the default is to remember passwords and this causes a user to run as root (if they don't uncheck the remember passwords checkbox) when first typing password to use features such as the synaptic package manager. There's no obvious way to reverse this problem without logging out and then back in again. Also, the most useful feature, MXTools configuration utilities is not found on the the default desktop. I don't know why MXLinux would want to hide this feature in the menu. It should be on the taskbar or on the desktop shortcut at the very least. Also, there seems no way to create a user with admin privileges to access the package manager or installer, so again, the user must logon as root, creating another opportunity to accidentally run your whole session as root. The conky feature displaying date and time and other information is a nice feature and very customizable.

Version: 18
Rating: 5
Date: 2019-01-21
Votes: 0

doenst use systemctl and cant install snap. So no way using this system. npm doesnt work either.

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:02 pm**

boy are those stupid...

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:08 pm**

This is the price of fame and success.

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:27 pm**

As Elvis Costello sang,"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused".

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:15 pm**

DW needs a way to rate ratings.

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:19 pm**

After nearly 200 posts in this thread, I had hoped that someone would correct the spelling of 'review'

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:37 pm**

It makes it easy to find this thread by searching for "reveiw", though!

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:31 pm**

I'm with Gordon. The spelling bugs the heck out of me.
It would be so easy to correct it.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:54 pm**

Version: 18
Rating: 9
Date: 2019-01-24
Votes: 0

After upgrading from version 17.1 to 18 I can definitely say MX is my favorite distro so far.

Pros: fast, stable, simple, solid and reliable. Boots on a 2007 Black Macbook 2,1 without need of rEFInd / OSX partition.

Cons: multimonitor support is not the best, automatic audio switching is not implemented, Mac foreign (ITA) keyboard not working correctly (3 things that were working for me in Mint 18.3)

Globally 9 out of 10.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:17 pm**

Here's the latest winner:

Version: 18
Rating: 1
Date: 2019-02-05
Votes: 0

After installing and running `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade` system is going to be in a broken state.

Well, I don't know how anyone manages to use MX when it breaks with the first updates!

"We are amused."

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:54 pm**

Stevo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:17 pm Here's the latest winner:
Version: 18
Rating: 1
Date: 2019-02-05
Votes: 0

After installing and running `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade` system is going to be in a broken state.
Well, I don't know how anyone manages to use MX when it breaks with the first updates!
"We are amused."

That's strange, it's also demonstrable false.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:16 pm**

Next, I expect these clowns to report that MX contains viruses, spyware, and Bitcoin miners. Maybe they just haven't thought of that yet.

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:32 am**

sunrat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:15 pm DW needs a way to rate ratings.

You can vote the stupid ratings down there, by voting "no" which -1 from vote count. All the ratings with no or few votes are considered bs anyway by any straight thinking person... But to do that you need a vote count >0 in the first place

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:50 am**

Adrian wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:54 pm
Stevo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:17 pm Here's the latest winner:
Version: 18
Rating: 1
Date: 2019-02-05
Votes: 0

After installing and running `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade` system is going to be in a broken state.
Well, I don't know how anyone manages to use MX when it breaks with the first updates!
"We are amused."
That's strange, it's also demonstrable false.

Just a troll getting his daily yuks...

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:20 am**

Why would he want to use 'apt-get dist-upgrade'?

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:25 am**

turtlebay777 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:20 am Why would he want to use 'apt-get dist-upgrade'?

Because this is the recommended way to upgrade your computer (unless you use the GUI tools like Synaptic that use a similar command.)
I tried to explain here what "dist-upgrade" means: viewtopic.php?p=479499#p479499

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:26 am**

turtlebay777 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:20 am Why would he want to use 'apt-get dist-upgrade'?

I use it all the time and is the recommended method.
From the manual:

Notice the choice between upgrade and dist-upgrade.
• dist-upgrade: the default action, and recommended for newcomers. Will upgrade all
packages that have updates, even those where an update will result in the automatic
removal of other existing packages or cause new packages to be added to your
installation in order that all dependencies are resolved.
• upgrade: recommended only for more experienced users. Will only upgrade updateable
packages that don't result in other packages being removed or installed. Using this option
means some updateable packages may remain “held back” on your system.

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:36 am**

What about full-upgrade? How is it different from the above mentioned alternatives?

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:45 am**

philotux wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:36 am What about full-upgrade? How is it different from the above mentioned alternatives?

full-upgrade is the same as dist-upgrade

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:59 am**

richb wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:45 am full-upgrade is the same as dist-upgrade

Thanks, good to know. I was afraid l have been doing it wrongly all along.

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:22 am**

Seems like the powers that be
have been threatening for years that someday,
$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
will cease to function.
But so far it still works.

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:01 am**

Richard wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:22 am Seems like the powers that be
have been threatening for years that someday,
$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
will cease to function.
But so far it still works.

Breaking user space for no good reason is dumb, didn't they get the message from Linus?

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