MX Linux Forum

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:55 pm**

This is the feedback thread for the awesome second beta of MX-14.

Some things to particularly look at:

--booting on any machine that would not boot with B1
--wireless that failed with B1
--any hardware issues that came up in B1
--new default browser
--new Nvidia_install (System) -- no icon, we know
--new grub-customizer and disk-manager (System)
--Synaptic preferences holding, repos, etc.
--lean and clean panel
--new default layout of menu favorites
--new "Find files here" in Thunar context menu
--revised QuickStart doc (we want to start getting this translated)

anti probably has more

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:05 pm**

Just to point out that users should do a fresh install. Do not save /home.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:36 pm**

I'm in Beta2 now and using Qupzilla.

It looks like Qupzilla has Jerry's username and password to this forum stored in it's configs or saved cookies, I think I could have logged in as 'Jerry3904'.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:46 pm**

kmathern wrote:I'm in Beta2 now and using Qupzilla.

It looks like Qupzilla has Jerry's username and password to this forum stored in it's configs or saved cookies, I think I could have logged in as 'Jerry3904'.

Oh, crap that's not good, Jerry, you might need to change your password for this forum.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:47 pm**

Will test on two computers. Had trouble burning the iso with Brasero to a cd, will try with K3b. Had no trouble installing it to usb with Unetbootin.
Here is the page to get the download:
http://www.mepiscommunity.org/mx14

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:47 pm**

Very quick first test:

In Thunar, clicking Browse Network raises an error message 'Failed to open "/ on". The specified location is not supported' (This worked in B1, allowing browsing of network shares.)

Flash is not working in QupZilla. It worked in Midori in B1.

EDIT: Flash works in Firefox. (I can't remember if Flash worked in QupZilla with B1.)

Chris

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:51 pm**

Downloading the full iso now. 35 minutes to go...

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:14 pm**

My first post on this topic vaporized, oh well.

DL'd & burned to USB stick via Win7.
installed (fresh) with no problems.
Rearranged panel to my preferences.
Checked Synaptic--NO CHANGE from B1--still reverts back to "highest version". I can live with it--still irritating, though.
I like QupZilla much better than that thing in B1.
I noticed during the install that the check box for Samba was greyed out & inop. Same on B1. I attempted on B1 to install Samba from the repos and got a "broken package error". Haven't tried on B2 yet.
Boots & runs quite nicely on my I7-930 System on this desktop--Haven't installed on laptop, yet.

Good Work, guys.
Thank You

Jerry in Anchorage

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:21 pm**

Good job guys! Using K3b was able to burn the iso to a CD and boot up my ancient desktop computer (it would not boot with the first beta). Also pleasantly surprised that the wireless dongle was picked up and worked (I have to dig up firmware for it on Debian).
I did a full install to my Acer D250/Kav60 netbook and it was quick and no issues using Unetbootin with a USB stick. Will further test it later, but very pleased with the second beta, definitely improved.
Thanks!

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:22 pm**

Still no thumbnail icons in Thunar; tumbler needs to be installed.

If its omission is deliberate for reasons of space, I think that will not be good for a new user, it's something that is expected nowadays.

Chris

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:32 pm**

chrispop99 wrote:Very quick first test:

In Thunar, clicking Browse Network raises an error message 'Failed to open "/ on". The specified location is not supported' (This worked in B1, allowing browsing of network shares.)

Chris

gvfs-backends has been removed, thus limiting Thunar's network browsing.

The connectshares scripts work without it, but they don't really "browse".

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:48 pm**

chrispop99 wrote:Very quick first test:

Flash is not working in QupZilla. It worked in Midori in B1.

Chris

Flash is working for me, but it looks like a flash-blocker is installed. So you get an "play" button in the middle of the window.

I should also point out that on my first loading of youtube.com, upon pressing this "play" button, nothing happens. Refreshing the page brought up the "play" button again, which worked the second time around.

Restarting qupzilla and going back to youtube yielded the same result.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:49 pm**

chrispop99 wrote:Very quick first test:

In Thunar, clicking Browse Network raises an error message 'Failed to open "/ on". The specified location is not supported' (This worked in B1, allowing browsing of network shares.)

Flash is not working in QupZilla. It worked in Midori in B1.

EDIT: Flash works in Firefox. (I can't remember if Flash worked in QupZilla with B1.)

Chris

Flash works fine in Qpz, it is just set by default to be click-driven (that arrow in the middle of the screen), can change in Preferences > Extensions > WebKit Plugins tab.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:29 pm**

A couple of quick comments:

1. smplayer youtube works once you start vlc once.

2. the cups configure in browser link in settings looks for midori and fails.

3. gvfs-backends is not installed, which disables thunar network browsing/mounting in browser. You can still you connectshares to do your mounting.

4. flash problems (mentioned earlier) - click-to-flash prevents the flash windows on youtube from working correctly.

5. new default side bar much improved. its a wonder what little changes can make. consider mapping the "super_L" key to the whisker-menu. It makes using the search bar a 1-button-press affair (personal preference, I know...)

6. consider changing the left-click action on the volume icon to "slider" rather than "mute". The default is great if you have a mouse-wheel... again, personal preference, I know.

7. ceni window is looking good.

8. disk manager scares me.

9. mxuser appears to work as intended for adding uses, although deleted users remain in /etc/group

10. while obviously I didn't try every package in the meta-installer, I did try guayadeque, and it worked well.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:32 pm**

2. the cups configure in browser link in settings looks for midori and fails.

man, I thought I got all of those...

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:44 pm**

Beta 2 up & running on Dell laptop.

No big surprises.

Still getting the reversion in Synaptic----Liveable.

Wireless did not connect up automatically. Located the link and DLd the Broadcom driver. Was told it was already installed??? Anyway after doing a re-install of the driver, the wireless connected right up.

Pretty much an un-thorough test run, but looks promising.

Wondering about an Nvidia driver install next--It has always been problematic on this laptop. Usually good for one or two OS reinstalls.

Thanks again developers.

Jerry in Anchorage

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:05 pm**

xfce4-volumed is installed but volume up and down control from fn up/down arrow not working. Usually that works for me in xfce4.
Scratch that, after clicking around on the volume icon a few times it started working :-)

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:17 pm**

First pre-release I have had issues with networking.

1. Wireless will not connect with Network Manager, all previous versions were not an issue. Edimax N300, Realtech, but I cannot get the series number from inxi (see below). Is either EW-7317UG or EW-7317UHG
2. Ceni hangs when trying to switch from network manager to ceni control.
3. INXI -F hangs at the point reporting the network information if ceni has been tried.
4. System restart hangs at shutting down network
4. Reboot gives ceni control of networking, but ceni hangs trying to configure.

I will have to try a reinstall as I cannot get a network connection.

PS. Before trying ceni a direct ethernet connection did work.
Correction: the card is RTL8192CU and lsmod shows that driver is loaded.
EDIT: Reinstalled and all OK.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:21 pm**

iso has been pulled.

Those that have it, ok and keep it for a patch.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:22 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:Flash works fine in Qpz, it is just set by default to be click-driven (that arrow in the middle of the screen), can change in Preferences > Extensions > WebKit Plugins tab.

Thanks; perhaps the default should be changed for release?

Chris

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:31 pm**

Perhaps. I did not touch it, that is the Qpz default.

EDIT: no, we have to change it, YouTube doesn't like it, clicking on the arrow just brings an error.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:31 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: gvfs-backends has been removed, thus limiting Thunar's network browsing.

Thanks; if this is going to be the default, perhaps the Network bookmark should be removed?

Chris

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:34 pm**

anticapitalista wrote:iso has been pulled.

Those that have it, ok and keep it for a patch.

I downloaded the delta patch before this post. I was gonna xdelta the Beta 1. I will wait for a reply before deleting

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harry@biker ~/isos/MX14 $ ls
b1-b2_delta  b1-b2_delta.md5

10051fa8dc269e722604f0c56cf37652 b1-b2_delta

In case my delta was pulled for fixing also. Edit. P.S. I have not ran xdelta on the Beta 1 iso yet so everything is original and static still.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:35 pm**

richb wrote:First pre-release I have had issues with networking.

1. Wireless will not connect with Network Manager, all previous versions were not an issue. Edimax N300, Realtech, but I cannot get the series number from inxi (see below). Is either EW-7317UG or EW-7317UHG
2. Ceni hangs when trying to switch from network manager to ceni control.
3. INXI -F hangs at the point reporting the network information if ceni has been tried.
4. System restart hangs at shutting down network
4. Reboot gives ceni control of networking, but ceni hangs trying to configure.

I will have to try a reinstall as I cannot get a network connection.

PS. Before trying ceni a direct ethernet connection did work.

It looks like all the previous realtek firmware is still installed, so hopefully you just got a weird install for some reason.

network-manager working fine here, with intel wireless. (iwlwifi)

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:37 pm**

beta2 has a lot more wireless firmware than beta1. Maybe there is a conflict somewhere?

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:43 pm**

Mousepad tapping and two-finger scroll working fine OOTB!

yay!

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:44 pm**

I just booted MX-14 beta 2 and installed it.
No problem for me, but the internal hard drive in my Dell mini 10 netbook is listed as sdc
(I think this is a USB thing because several of the hardware cards in this netbook are on USB internally).
The SD card that I have the MX-14 beta 2 ISO on, connected with a USB reader, is listed as sda.
I almost forgot and installed the bootloader/grub on sda (SD card).
Broadcom BCM4312 WiFi uses wl driver in "Live" mode, and all I had to do to get connected was to input my password for my WiFi wpa setting.
After installing MX-14 beta 2 to my hard drive, I booted to the desktop with working wifi. !! yeah! thank you! :)
I know this is an old netbook from 2009, but having GMA500 poulsbo graphics, and Broadcom WiFi working in Live and installed setups, makes me very happy.
I'll post my results over at the Dell Mini forum, even though that site is pretty slow these days.
I haven't done much else with this yet. I'm just happy my netbook works in this version.

Jon

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:56 pm**

Jon, your netbook is the same age as mine. Who would have thought these things could work so well for so long.
MX-14 is absolutely perfect on a netbook.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:17 pm**

anticapitalista wrote:beta2 has a lot more wireless firmware than beta1. Maybe there is a conflict somewhere?

Reinstalled and was able to get a wireless connection with network manager. Maybe a flaky first install.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:19 pm**

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:27 pm**

MX-14 is absolutely perfect on a netbook.

I totally agree, +1. My netbook rocks with this!

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:51 pm**

Thunar locked up completely. I have the file tree shown in the left pane. I clicked on "File System" and it locked everything. My mouse cursor disappeared. The hardware power button no longer lets me log out.
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't respond either. Only thing I can think to do is to hold the power button for 8-10 seconds to shut the netbook down. I restarted to see if this happens again. I'm trying to access the / etc/default/ folder so I can edit grub, but it won't let me click the folder, nothing happens when I click it. Actually, I cannot click on anything. I just clicked to close thunar, and got popup to terminate application.
I worked around this by opening a terminal and as root, opened mousepad to edit the "grub" file.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:54 pm**

I haven't installed it on my netbook yet (Toshiba NB-100), but will do so soon to replace beta1.

This new beta, on my desktop, seemed a bit slower to install. Can't be certain, though.

The issue sound I reported for beta1 persists. I need to disable auto-mute to get sound working. Not a big deal.

I did get an unusual behavior when running Gparted on the live session before installing. I tried to mount a partition and then I got lots of Thunar windows popping up (one for each partition on my system). Of course, after that, all my partitions were mounted and locked in Gparted. I had to unmount them one by one.

However, I haven't been able to replicate that behavior.

BTW, is there a way to polish the Spanish version of the information messages in the installer? I can take care of that, if you want.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:56 pm**

Jon_J wrote:Thunar locked up completely. I have the file tree shown in the left pane. I clicked on "File System" and it locked everything. My mouse cursor disappeared. The hardware power button no longer lets me log out.
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't respond either. Only thing I can think to do is to hold the power button for 8-10 seconds to shut the netbook down. I restarted to see if this happens again. I'm trying to access the / etc/default/ folder so I can edit grub, but it won't let me click the folder, nothing happens when I click it. Actually, I cannot click on anything. I just clicked to close thunar, and got popup to terminate application.
I worked around this by opening a terminal and as root, opened mousepad to edit the "grub" file.

Never seen anything like that, weird.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:33 pm**

Jon_J wrote:Thunar locked up completely. I have the file tree shown in the left pane. I clicked on "File System" and it locked everything. My mouse cursor disappeared. The hardware power button no longer lets me log out.
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't respond either. Only thing I can think to do is to hold the power button for 8-10 seconds to shut the netbook down. I restarted to see if this happens again. I'm trying to access the / etc/default/ folder so I can edit grub, but it won't let me click the folder, nothing happens when I click it. Actually, I cannot click on anything. I just clicked to close thunar, and got popup to terminate application.
I worked around this by opening a terminal and as root, opened mousepad to edit the "grub" file.

I did this a third time and watched the clock when I did it, so I could see if I could find the problem in a log file.
I booted into my slitaz partition and opened my MX-14-b2 /var/log directory and found 3 log files with the timestamp that was the same as above action.
Below is a segfault line in each of these 3 log files. They look the same to me. I hope I'm not cluttering up this thread with this.
kern.log, messages, syslog

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kern.log
Jan 30 18:01:59 mx14-b2 kernel: [   32.482814] apt-notifier.py[2860]: segfault at 24 ip b5c7f527 sp bfa9e32c error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.8.2[b5aed000+2dd000]

messages
Jan 30 18:01:59 mx14-b2 kernel: [   32.482814] apt-notifier.py[2860]: segfault at 24 ip b5c7f527 sp bfa9e32c error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.8.2[b5aed000+2dd000]

syslog
Jan 30 18:01:59 mx14-b2 kernel: [   32.482814] apt-notifier.py[2860]: segfault at 24 ip b5c7f527 sp bfa9e32c error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.8.2[b5aed000+2dd000]

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:44 pm**

Jon_J wrote:They look the same to me. I hope I'm not cluttering up this thread with this.
kern.log, messages, syslog

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kern.log
Jan 30 18:01:59 mx14-b2 kernel: [   32.482814] apt-notifier.py[2860]: segfault at 24 ip b5c7f527 sp bfa9e32c error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.8.2[b5aed000+2dd000]

messages
Jan 30 18:01:59 mx14-b2 kernel: [   32.482814] apt-notifier.py[2860]: segfault at 24 ip b5c7f527 sp bfa9e32c error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.8.2[b5aed000+2dd000]

syslog
Jan 30 18:01:59 mx14-b2 kernel: [   32.482814] apt-notifier.py[2860]: segfault at 24 ip b5c7f527 sp bfa9e32c error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.8.2[b5aed000+2dd000]

They're all the same segfault, reported/stored in multiple logfiles. I've see that every now and then in Mepis as well. I think it's harmless. The apt-notifier does a check every 5 minutes to see if updates are available. As long as it's not segfaulting every time (and filling up the logs), I don't get too concerned.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:40 pm**

BTW, is there a way to polish the Spanish version of the information messages in the installer? I can take care of that, if you want.

I am sure there is, PM anti about it.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:57 pm**

OK, full ISO is now available via anti's site or a torrent from the MX-14 home website:

http://www.mepiscommunity.org/mx14

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:00 pm**

I patched my ISO. I first checked the md5 of the patch and md5 of the new ISO.
I installed it and opened Thunar.
Thunar still locks up as in my previous post.
In Thunar I have the file tree showing in the left pane, and in the right pane I have all details shown.
When I installed this, I disabled 3 things in the startup settings page.
Bluetooth
Spamassassion
Printing (cups)
I did the same settings in beta 1
I installed this on a different partition, so I can go back to beta 1 if I need to.

Jon

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:02 pm**

Can you please open a terminal and launch thunar from there? Then report back any messages you get.

Also: did this happen when running live as well?

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:32 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:Can you please open a terminal and launch thunar from there? Then report back any messages you get.

Also: did this happen when running live as well?

Here's the output I got after I clicked a folder, then tried to close Thunar

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jon@mx14-b2:~
$ thunar

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560009] CPU: 1 PID: 3384 Comm: thunar Tainted: P           O 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae #1 Debian 3.12.6-2~bpo70+1

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560009] Hardware name: Dell Inc. Inspiron 1010   /0P374N, BIOS A09 09/10/2009

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560009] task: ec96b240 ti: f18e6000 task.ti: f18e6000

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560009] Stack:

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560009] Call Trace:

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560009] Code: 00 48 75 fd 48 c3 8d 74 26 00 8d bc 27 00 00 00 00 ff 15 d4 05 5a c1 f3 c3 90 8d b4 26 00 00 00 00 c1 e0 02 64 8b 

15 9c 7e 64 c1 <6b> d2 3e f7 e2 8d 42 01 ff 15 d4 05 5a c1 f3 c3 8d b6 00 00 00

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560023] CPU: 0 PID: 0 Comm: swapper/0 Tainted: P           O 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae #1 Debian 3.12.6-2~bpo70+1

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560023] Hardware name: Dell Inc. Inspiron 1010   /0P374N, BIOS A09 09/10/2009

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560023] task: c1576980 ti: c156a000 task.ti: c156a000

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560023] Stack:

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560023] Call Trace:

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:23 ...
 kernel:[  166.560023] Code: 52 08 83 e2 08 75 24 31 d2 83 c0 08 89 d1 0f 01 c8 0f ae f0 89 f6 89 e0 25 00 e0 ff ff 8b 40 08 a8 08 75 07 b1 01 

89 f8 0f 01 c9 <85> 1d f4 21 5a c1 75 0c 89 e2 b8 05 00 00 00 e8 0e f9 e1 ff 89
^C
Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:49 ...
 kernel:[  192.064009] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! [thunar:3384]

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:49 ...
 kernel:[  192.064009] CPU: 1 PID: 3384 Comm: thunar Tainted: P           O 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae #1 Debian 3.12.6-2~bpo70+1

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:49 ...
 kernel:[  192.064009] Hardware name: Dell Inc. Inspiron 1010   /0P374N, BIOS A09 09/10/2009

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:49 ...
 kernel:[  192.064009] task: ec96b240 ti: f18e6000 task.ti: f18e6000

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:49 ...
 kernel:[  192.064009] Stack:

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:49 ...
 kernel:[  192.064009] Call Trace:

Message from syslogd@mx14-b2 at Jan 30 20:21:49 ...
 kernel:[  192.064009] Code: 75 dd b8 01 00 00 00 5b c3 8d b4 26 00 00 00 00 53 89 c3 e8 d8 0b c3 ff ba 00 01 00 00 f0 66 0f c1 13 0f b6 c6 38 

d0 75 04 5b c3 <f3> 90 0f b6 13 38 c2 75 f7 5b c3 8d 76 00 8d bc 27 00 00 00 00

I'll try this in live next.
I opened Thunar in a terminal in Live mode. Thunar locked up when I clicked the > (arrow) beside "File System"
I waited almost a minute and tried to close Thunar. A popup came up and I was able to close Thunar.
There were no messages in the terminal this time.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:37 pm**

In Help:
- Customization tab has two Note RC=right-click
- smxi tab, the same message appears in parentheses while in the other tabs there are no parentheses.

MInstaller:
- There's some text at GRUB install time in the left panel that talks about reinstalling it afterwards with MEPIS Tools, I don't think we have those available, right?

It works really nice at first look I cannot find anything wrong with it, I will come back with other reports.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:41 pm**

I used b1-b2_delta and then burned a verified CD. It boots fine on four machines I have here.

Interestingly, one of those machines is a recent build, an AMD A4-3400 APU with Radeon graphics. It's been rather a problem child. Of many distros I have here, MX-14 is the first that has successfully booted to the Desktop without intervention. Everything worked except the wireless, a Linksys WUSB54Gv2 usb adapter, which needs Intersil ISL3887 firmware to work. Having that firmware handy, I dropped it into /lib/firmware and was able to set it up and be online in two minutes.

I must say that I didn't expect to really like MX-14 — I was just participating in testing to help out. I've looked at Xfce before, and it wasn't my cup of tea. Having said that, this is really impressive. It has some nice features and is wickedly fast. Kudos to Jerry, anti, and all involved!

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:54 pm**

Jon_J wrote:Opened Thunar in a terminal in Live mode. Thunar locked up when I clicked the > (arrow) beside "File System"
I waited almost a minute and tried to close Thunar. A popup came up and I was able to close Thunar.
There were no messages in the terminal this time.

Thanks for the report, the arrow that you speak is that looks like this ^ (upward) is to unmount the particular mount point, I don't think it's a good idea to try to unmount the file system. If that's not what you meant then it's probably something related to how slow the CD is, I haven't seen locks up on HDD installation.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:02 pm**

Adrian wrote:
Jon_J wrote:Opened Thunar in a terminal in Live mode. Thunar locked up when I clicked the > (arrow) beside "File System"
I waited almost a minute and tried to close Thunar. A popup came up and I was able to close Thunar.
There were no messages in the terminal this time.
Thanks for the report, the arrow that you speak is that looks like this ^ (upward) is to unmount the particular mount point, I don't think it's a good idea to try to unmount the file system. If that's not what you meant then it's probably something related to how slow the CD is, I haven't seen locks up on HDD installation.

The arrow I'm talking about is the one that expands the file tree.
I have no CD on this machine. I use an SD card in a USB adapter.
Can I merge my last 2 posts, since they belong together?
I made 2 posts because it took me awhile to troubleshoot my installed setup in the first post.
Jon

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:20 pm**

You can edit the first post and add the content from the second and a mod can probably delete the duplicated post.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:52 pm**

@Jon_J,
that looks like a serious problem. You are getting segfaults and kernel crashes/freezes. This could be caused either by a hardware problem or a software problem or a combination. There are two easy things you can test with the Live media. First, use F4 -> Check MD5 from the bootloader. When you boot, this will verify that the kernel, the initrd, and the compressed file system are all intact. If any of these tests fail then corrupted media is the likely source of your problem. The second test you can try is the "Memory Test" selection in the bootloader. I'd let it run for a half hour while you are doing something else. If this reports errors then you know you have a hardware problem. If it passes there might still be a hardware problem but with another part of the system.

On the live system (and the installed system) you can see the kernel log with the command "dmesg". This is usually thousands of lines. You can look at the last 100 lines with "dmesg | tail -n 100". Either in the dmesg output or one of the system log files (which may not appear in the default live system) you should find the complete information of the kernel crashes/freezes that were appearing in the terminal. Posting this information might be useful. If a log file or the dmesg output contains something juicy perhaps you could post the entire file or the entire dmesg output at http://pastebin.com Then post the link here. You can capture the output of dmesg with "dmesg > dmesg.out". Pastebin is a great help in providing lots of information without cluttering the thread. If you are unable to get to the internet then just save the files and outputs on the sdcard and post them from another machine. You won't be able to do this if you used "dd" to create the bootable sdcard, so use something like Unetbootin instead. There are versions available for both Linux and Windows.

Another approach would be to try to boot a different version of Linux or an earlier version of Mepis or antiX-full. If these are problem-free with Thunar and if the md5 check above passed then the problem is likely something in the MX-14 software/kernel, perhaps triggered by your particular hardware. The output of "inxi -F" and "lspci -k" could potentially be useful to help us track down the problem further.

PS: I'm an antiX dev and I've helped other people with similar problems on the antiX forums. The last time this happened we traced the problem to a failing sdcard.

Oh yes. One big clue to differentiate hardware problems from software problems: hardware problems usually occur somewhat randomly and are rarely identical twice in a row. Software problems are usually very repeatable; you keep getting almost exactly the same error or errors. A failing sdcard can give you repeatable errors but I still count that as a hardware problem.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:29 am**

BitJam wrote:@Jon_J,
that looks like a serious problem. You are getting segfaults and kernel crashes/freezes. This could be caused either by a hardware problem or a software problem or a combination. There are two easy things you can test with the Live media. First, use F4 -> Check MD5 from the bootloader. When you boot, this will verify that the kernel, the initrd, and the compressed file system are all intact. If any of these tests fail then corrupted media is the likely source of your problem. The second test you can try is the "Memory Test" selection in the bootloader. I'd let it run for a half hour while you are doing something else. If this reports errors then you know you have a hardware problem. If it passes there might still be a hardware problem but with another part of the system.

On the live system (and the installed system) you can see the kernel log with the command "dmesg". This is usually thousands of lines. You can look at the last 100 lines with "dmesg | tail -n 100". Either in the dmesg output or one of the system log files (which may not appear in the default live system) you should find the complete information of the kernel crashes/freezes that were appearing in the terminal. Posting this information might be useful. If a log file or the dmesg output contains something juicy perhaps you could post the entire file or the entire dmesg output at http://pastebin.com Then post the link here. You can capture the output of dmesg with "dmesg > dmesg.out". Pastebin is a great help in providing lots of information without cluttering the thread. If you are unable to get to the internet then just save the files and outputs on the sdcard and post them from another machine. You won't be able to do this if you used "dd" to create the bootable sdcard, so use something like Unetbootin instead. There are versions available for both Linux and Windows.

Another approach would be to try to boot a different version of Linux or an earlier version of Mepis or antiX-full. If these are problem-free with Thunar and if the md5 check above passed then the problem is likely something in the MX-14 software/kernel, perhaps triggered by your particular hardware. The output of "inxi -F" and "lspci -k" could potentially be useful to help us track down the problem further.

PS: I'm an antiX dev and I've helped other people with similar problems on the antiX forums. The last time this happened we traced the problem to a failing sdcard.

Oh yes. One big clue to differentiate hardware problems from software problems: hardware problems usually occur somewhat randomly and are rarely identical twice in a row. Software problems are usually very repeatable; you keep getting almost exactly the same error or errors. A failing sdcard can give you repeatable errors but I still count that as a hardware problem.

I found out it is a failing SD card. I used 2 tools in windows that showed it has bad sectors. "h2testw-flash-card" and "SD-Card Formatter" from SDcard.org
I'll use LinuxLive USB creator and put it on my "Lexar" compact flash card. That is the card I used for beta1 with no problems.
Thank you for your help, and I bookmarked this post for later reference.
Jon

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:53 am**

For me, the MX-14_13.98_386-xfce.iso (beta-2, 2nd edition) LiveCD always starts up X even if I give it the boot parameter "3". I did not have this problem with the first beta release. Can anyone else replicate this?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:56 am**

--booting on any machine that would not boot with B1
Intel 945 system with IDE CDROM booted fine, failed in B1

--wireless that failed with B1
Lenovo E330 wireless worked for the first time ever using Linux, no other distro does this, however, had to use ceni, NM would not connect

--any hardware issues that came up in B1
N/A

--new default browser
Works just fine, played Youtube videos

--new Nvidia_install (System) -- no icon, we know
N/A

--new grub-customizer and disk-manager (System)
not tested

--Synaptic preferences holding, repos, etc.
Never been a problem

--lean and clean panel
Da Bom!

--new default layout of menu favorites
Perfection in a box

--new "Find files here" in Thunar context menu
Magic. Love the option to use find or locate. Mounted a windows profile folder, searched for a file about 6 folders down using find and it came up in the blink of an eye - Awesome !!

--revised QuickStart doc (we want to start getting this translated)
The first 3 pages look just fine to me for the regular user looking for first time assistance. Deep enough to get most users up and running in no time at all, not too deep to bog them down.

MetaInstaller
gscantopdf should be in the graphics section, not the Office section
Please add cups-driver-gutenprint to the Printers section

Laptop Power Management
As good as it gets using suspend on lid close, and that was using a Live-USB !.
Wake up login screen is a bit unrefined and could potentially be improved. Will upload photo soon to this post.

EDIT - photo added

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:59 am**

On the install, right click - open root Thunar here is not opening a root Thunar. It doesn't seem to do anything.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:19 am**

Their were reported issues pre-B2 with booting on older machines with IDE drives. To test this, I had thrown together a single-core Athlon box with an IDE HDD. This failed to boot B1, giving the 'Fatal error - No block devices found!' report.

I have just tried B2 on the IDE box, and it boots fine.

inxi -F for machine:

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demo@mx1:~
$ su
Password: 
root@mx1:/home/demo# inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae i686 (32 bit) 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.10.2 Distro: MX-14_13.98_386-xfce beta2 30 January 2014
Machine:   System: American Megatrends product: K7S41GX version: 1.0 serial: 00000000 
           Mobo: N/A model: K7S41GX version: 1.0 serial: 00000000 Bios: American Megatrends version: P2.80 date: 10/18/2006
CPU:       Single core AMD Athlon XP 3000+ (-UP-) cache: 512 KB flags: (pae sse) clocked at 2180.710 MHz 
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] 
           X.org: 1.12.4 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) tty size: 80x25 Advanced Data: N/A for root 
Audio:     Card: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 AC'97 Sound Controller driver: snd_intel8x0 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae
Network:   Card: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet driver: sis900 
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:19:66:48:a2:e2
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 80.0GB (-) 1: id: /dev/sda model: ST380012A size: 80.0GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 794M used: 1.7M (1%) fs: rootfs 
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 102 Uptime: 3 min Memory: 117.6/1008.2MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.16 
root@mx1:/home/demo#

Chris

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:22 am**

Eadwine Rose wrote:On the install, right click - open root Thunar here is not opening a root Thunar. It doesn't seem to do anything.

It's working fine here, on both an install and running live.

If you are running installed, can you try live?

Chris

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:36 am**

Interesting, it works on the livecd.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:45 am**

BitJam wrote:For me, the MX-14_13.98_386-xfce.iso (beta-2, 2nd edition) LiveCD always starts up X even if I give it the boot parameter "3". I did not have this problem with the first beta release. Can anyone else replicate this?

Yes, bug found. Will fix. (lightdm still has symlink in /etc/rc.3.d)

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:11 am**

Eadwine Rose wrote:Interesting, it works on the livecd.

Perhaps it might be worth reinstalling, in case something screwed up?

Chris

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:49 am**

I tried an install on a DELL D430 netbook. This machine has no built-in optical drive, and uses a proprietary USB connection for its dedicated external optical drive. (I installed with a CD.) It has been difficult to install some Linux distros to this machine in the past, and some hardware is not recognised.

MX-14 installed perfectly, with no issues. Graphics, sound, networking, special function keys, and all touchpad functions work 100%. It runs really well on a machine that only has modest performance.

inxi -F details:

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chris@mx3:~
$ su
Password: 
root@mx3:/home/chris# inxi -F
System:    Host: mx3 Kernel: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae i686 (32 bit) 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.10.2 Distro: MX-14_13.98_386-xfce beta2 30 January 2014
Machine:   System: Dell product: Latitude D430 serial: 8YS224J 
           Mobo: Dell model: 0F331C serial: .8YS224J.CN129618B66907. Bios: Dell version: A08 date: 07/28/2008
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU U7700 (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx) 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 800.00 MHz 2: 800.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller 
           X.org: 1.12.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) tty size: 80x25 Advanced Data: N/A for root 
Audio:     Card: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express driver: tg3 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:21:70:c5:a5:b6
           Card-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection driver: iwl3945 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:1f:3c:c8:fa:db
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 80.0GB (-) 1: id: /dev/sda model: SAMSUNG_HS082HB size: 80.0GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 72G used: 2.4G (4%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 2.17GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 56.5C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 132 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 122.8/2014.6MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.16 
root@mx3:/home/chris#

Chris

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:07 am**

Needs smbclient if you want to set up printers via samba.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:22 am**

To install samba stuff, use the metapackage installer application

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:33 am**

anticapitalista wrote:To install samba stuff, use the metapackage installer application

Unfortunately, 'smbclient' is not part of that Samba install option in 'metapackage-installer'...To afab4's point, it should be added to solve the problem he notes.

EDIT: I've added this as a suggestion in the metapackage-installer section.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:36 am**

Choosing configure printers via cups from the menu throws an error as it looks for midori.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:39 am**

Quickstart - GRUB - Live Screen - CLI
Odd display in text - I've changed no defaults.

root password (â€œrootâ€, without the quotation marks) to continue

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:45 am**

Some error in the html codes for single quote, will fix.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:46 am**

chrispop99 wrote:
In Thunar, clicking Browse Network raises an error message 'Failed to open "/ on". The specified location is not supported' (This worked in B1, allowing browsing of network shares.)

Installing Samba via metapackage-installer...solves the problem...but still needs to be fixed in the default install, obviously.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:19 am**

it's looking good

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:49 am**

I've shifted to the desktop for faster typing.

Only tried on netbook so far. One quirk on live boot (as with previous versions) - first attempt gives blank screen with cursor. Second attempt boots fine. I've had no hardware problems with any version on the netbook.

Wireless - will test later (I'll have to take it to the pub). No NVIDIA on the netbook.

Browser - QupZilla is fast and clean, but YouTube videos don't play. SMplayer doesn't work either. I will investigate more.

Grub-customizer - looks good, but some changes have unexpectedly large effects. I won't use it on the netbook, but will test later on desktop.

Disk-manager - Not sure what I would use this for. Interesting quirk - when opened, the bottom left buttons say 'Edit' 'Demonter'. When a partition is selected, the 'Demonter' changes to 'Unmount'.

Synaptic - installed 3 upgrades. Set Preferences to 'Prefer Mepis' - holds and survives reboot.

Panel - I like this clean version, and the Menu structure. I needed to increase the default height of the first menu window to show the whole menu.
Thunar - 'Find files here' is stunningly fast on the netbook, including files 2 levels down. Unlike beta 1, I can browse shared network NTFS files with no problem.

I've set Claws Mail up with my travelling address and it is much snappier than my previous solutions. This applies to almost everything in this beta - I'm thinking I have no need to upgrade the RAM.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:51 am**

pcallahan80 wrote:
chrispop99 wrote:
In Thunar, clicking Browse Network raises an error message 'Failed to open "/ on". The specified location is not supported' (This worked in B1, allowing browsing of network shares.)
Installing Samba via metapackage-installer...solves the problem...but still needs to be fixed in the default install, obviously.

Installing Samba from the meta-installer did not solve this problem on my network. smbtree can see the shares just fine. I can connect with direct addressing no problem, but browsing is broke.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:55 am**

Gaer Boy. YouTube videos don't play. SMplayer doesn't work either.

YouTube videos play fine IF you uncheck to make Flash require a click in Preferences; and SMplayer (which I really don't like!) needs you to go into settings, where VLC is already selected, then say OK.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:09 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote:
pcallahan80 wrote:
chrispop99 wrote:
In Thunar, clicking Browse Network raises an error message 'Failed to open "/ on". The specified location is not supported' (This worked in B1, allowing browsing of network shares.)
Installing Samba via metapackage-installer...solves the problem...but still needs to be fixed in the default install, obviously.

Installing Samba from the meta-installer did not solve this problem on my network. smbtree can see the shares just fine. I can connect with direct addressing no problem, but browsing is broke.

'direct addressing' meaning you need to type 'smb://[ip address]' or 'smb://[share name]' in Thunar path window (or whatever it's called)?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:15 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:
Gaer Boy. YouTube videos don't play. SMplayer doesn't work either.
YouTube videos play fine IF you uncheck to make Flash require a click in Preferences; ans SMplayer (which I really don't like!) needs you to go into settings, where VLC is already selected, then say OK.

Thanks. I don't like SMplayer either, but I was trying alternatives. After making your adjustments, I can play YouTube videos either way, but I need to double-click in the video to start it in both cases. Clicking anything else has no effect.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:33 am**

Installing Samba via metapackage-installer...solves the problem...but still needs to be fixed in the default install, obviously.

Installing Samba from the meta-installer did not solve this problem on my network. smbtree can see the shares just fine. I can connect with direct addressing no problem, but browsing is broke.

'direct addressing' meaning you need to type 'smb://[ip address]' or 'smb://[share name]' in Thunar path window (or whatever it's called)?

yes, except I forgot I installed gvfs-backends while doing that. connectshares scripts work fine by default install.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:41 am**

you bad

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:46 am**

gvfs-backends is installed in beta2 (the second one, not the first) as is tumbler.

Could those still using the first beta2 install tumbler and gvfs-backends. Then it will be 99.9% the same. Or apply the patch and reinstall.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:49 am**

oh, OK. the second beta 2 :)

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:11 am**

Beta-2 recognizes my CDROM on /dev/sr0, so boots without any cheats/ tweaks. :-)

On the downside, when the installer has almost finished, and asked where I would like GRUB placing, I click Next and nothing happens. The Close button doesn't work either, so hard reboot required.

Cheers,

Chris.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:16 am**

richb wrote:Choosing configure printers via cups from the menu throws an error as it looks for midori.

Can someone confirm this so it can be added to known issues.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:20 am**

That was fixed with the recent b2 patch (which you perhaps have not applied?)

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:22 am**

richb wrote:
richb wrote:Choosing configure printers via cups from the menu throws an error as it looks for midori.
Can someone confirm this so it can be added to known issues.

you actually confirmed my post :)

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:24 am**

richb wrote:
richb wrote:Choosing configure printers via cups from the menu throws an error as it looks for midori.
Can someone confirm this so it can be added to known issues.

Nope, it opens QupZilla here on two different installs.

It fails if I uninstall QupZilla and install Firefox however.

Chris

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:27 am**

chrispop99 wrote:
richb wrote:
richb wrote:Choosing configure printers via cups from the menu throws an error as it looks for midori.
Can someone confirm this so it can be added to known issues.
Nope, it opens QupZilla here on two different installs.

It fails if I uninstall QupZilla and install Firefox however.

Chris

That's because it was hard coded to open qupzilla. It will be fixed for next version.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:36 am**

chrispop99 wrote:
richb wrote:
richb wrote:Choosing configure printers via cups from the menu throws an error as it looks for midori.
Can someone confirm this so it can be added to known issues.
Nope, it opens QupZilla here on two different installs.

It fails if I uninstall QupZilla and install Firefox however.

Chris

Can we make sure it opens the default browser?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:37 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:That was fixed with the recent b2 patch (which you perhaps have not applied?)

Thanks. No I somehow missed there was a patch.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:41 am**

You have to patch the ISO and reinstall to get all the changes, I think.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:45 am**

richb wrote:
Jerry3904 wrote:That was fixed with the recent b2 patch (which you perhaps have not applied?)
Thanks. No I somehow missed there was a patch.

http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/viewtop ... 91&t=35470

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:55 pm**

pcallahan80 wrote:
chrispop99 wrote: In Thunar, clicking Browse Network raises an error message 'Failed to open "/ on". The specified location is not supported' (This worked in B1, allowing browsing of network shares.)
Installing Samba via metapackage-installer...solves the problem...but still needs to be fixed in the default install, obviously.

I'm a bit mystified by this. I can browse network shares (NTFS) from Thunar with no problem. I have just checked it running live and then immediately after a fresh install. Navigating from 'Browse Network' to the shared folder (partition in this case) adds a Network entry 'smb://Annesroom/Winfiles' which I can then use directly. I have to repeat the navigation on subsequent boots.

Am I the only one for whom this is working?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:09 pm**

Catfish still shows the search alternative "locate". Locate isn't installed and even if you install it and all the recommended and suggested packages, catfish is crashing when you use it.
It's better if catfish is set to show "find" only.
Henry

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:14 pm**

Was that behavior using the RC menu in Thunar, or starting up catfish independently?

Inside Thunar it is set to find by default, and maybe we need to take catfish out of the menu (visible=no).

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:22 pm**

Its in the catfish window that opens after selecting "find files here" from the thunar menu, AND the regular catfish launch. Its a "feature" of the program.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:23 pm**

Was that behavior using the RC menu in Thunar, or starting up catfish independently?

It was after starting catfish indenpendently. To be able to do fulltext search, you have to change "find" to "locate". Haven't tested the RC menu in Thunar.
Henry

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:33 pm**

Some simple configuration can probably hide "fulltext search" and "locate". A search app is needed for daily use, at least if you keep on mislaying stuff all the time.
Henry

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:39 pm**

Strange in a VM and a HD install both locate and Find work in catfish, no crashing. Locate not installed.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:39 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote:Its in the catfish window that opens after selecting "find files here" from the thunar menu, AND the regular catfish launch. Its a "feature" of the program.

Let's get some other feedback here, please. On two HDD installs catfish opens up for me inside Thunar with "find" being selected by default.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:44 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:
dolphin_oracle wrote:Its in the catfish window that opens after selecting "find files here" from the thunar menu, AND the regular catfish launch. Its a "feature" of the program.
Let's get some other feedback here, please. On two HDD installs catfish opens up for me inside Thunar with "find" being selected by default.

Same here, on VM and a HDD install. I forgot to mention that there was no malfunction opening catfish directly from the menu or via Find in Thunar.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:46 pm**

catfish opens up for me inside Thunar with "find" being selected by default

It does for me too. But to be able to use Fulltext search, you have to switch to locate. Then it crashes.
Henry

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:48 pm**

And it's only a small crash, says something unexpected happened (or something similar).
Henry

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:50 pm**

Utopia wrote:
catfish opens up for me inside Thunar with "find" being selected by default
It does for me too. But to be able to use Fulltext search, you have to switch to locate. Then it crashes.
Henry

Tried that but did not crash.

EDIT: No crash but without locate installed it does not find text in a file. IMO, crash or not, either locate should be added to the iso (158 Kb) or removed from catfish (if possible). It is a non-functional feature without locate.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:55 pm**

Tried that but did not crash.

Strange, didn't you get a red sign? And no search results?
Henry

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:01 pm**

Utopia wrote:
Tried that but did not crash.
Strange, didn't you get a red sign? And no search results?
Henry

A red sign flashed momentarily (just a flash of red, not long enough to read) then cleared by itself, and no search results.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:06 pm**

mlocate is supposed to do the same and is installed. Found this in the Arch wiki:

When mlocate is installed, a script is automatically placed in /etc/cron.daily (so that cron runs it daily) that will update the database. You can also manually run updatedb at any time.

It could be as simple as the databases not being updated in a fresh installation.
Henry

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:11 pm**

Interesting. I think that is what happens with Thunar tree view as well.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:17 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:Let's get some other feedback here, please. On two HDD installs catfish opens up for me inside Thunar with "find" being selected by default.

(Also on two HDD installs.)

I tried opening Catfish from Whisker, from Thunar context menu, and from Thunar menu 'Find files here'. In each case, 'find' was set as default, and worked as expected.

When starting Catfish from within Thunar by either method, changing 'find' to 'locate' resulted in the error message "Fatal error, search was aborted." The window could be closed normally however, so there was no crash.

Chris

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:20 pm**

Yes, the locate and fulltext search is working after doing an "updatedb".
Henry

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:45 pm**

locate is installed as mlocate.

No issues on my box either catfish/locate from menu or within Thunar. This is a straight after logging in.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:49 pm**

I just tried searching with catfish/locate for something I know would show up in the default system (the word "installed" ) and I got several hits, and no crash. So this seems better.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:51 pm**

It begins to look to me like in both this and the Thunar tree view case, the issue might be one of initial system scanning and db populating--if that makes sense.

Will take a look at the Xfce forum on this topic.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:54 pm**

The build script runs updatedb in a chroot before building the squashfs file system (linuxfs0 and the iso.

It should not be necessary to do it before running catfish/locate.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:01 pm**

Just got the fatal error by searching for "fred" which I'm pretty sure isn't in the installed system anywhere. Doesn't crash, just give the nasty looking error "fatal error: search aborted".

A simply file not found would have be sufficient.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:02 pm**

When the 1.6 series was released last year, most of the commentary was about crashing:

https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=7645&p=1

The version we are using (1.6.3) is nine months old, so maybe an update is in the works.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:11 pm**

I don't like catfish because it's never worked properly for me. I installed gnome-search-tool as a custom action on my wheezy xfce instead.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:13 pm**

We would use that if we had the room, but we don't.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:16 pm**

golinuxgo wrote:I don't like catfish because it's never worked properly for me. I installed gnome-search-tool as a custom action on my wheezy xfce instead.

I tend to agree with you concerning function but as Jerry indicate, room.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:21 pm**

Odd point...is anyone else's whisker menu gradually shrinking... Mines gets a little smaller everytime I hit the "menu" button. I thought I was nuts at first, but now a scroll bar has shown up and the free space on the scrollbar gets bigger everytime I access the menu.

I can resize the menu of course, its just weird.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:22 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:We would use that if we had the room, but we don't.

Well, I only have the LO writer installed so saves me a huge hunk of disk space.

(Sorry . . . couldn't resist.)

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:24 pm**

Irrelevant...

EDIT: every distro sets out with some core decisions that cascade through the whole process. Here decisions were made at the beginning of development to feature a full LO, Debian Stable, a single CD size and a unique look. If those start being changed this late in the game, everything suddenly comes into flux and all hell breaks loose.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:45 pm**

I can barely keep up with it all, but I got the root thunar (right click open root) working on the newest downloaded iso and on the install. Likely a glitch then

Also got mic sound to work on Skype although it is VERY soft, which is where the prob was. All is set to max, cannot change anything there.

Then has someone tried to get the screenshot plugin in the panel? I cannot get it to work since it apparently launches itself more than once in the last 60 seconds. Pressing execute produces the same screen again.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:49 pm**

I just tried, and it seems to crash with an error message like you report.

This is a good time maybe to remind people that Alt-F5 is mapped to the screenshooter (see QuickStart).

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:55 pm**

Thank you! Do you happen to know where to remap the keycombo?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:59 pm**

--> QuickStart

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:05 pm**

Color me stupid.. where??

FOUND IT!

Menu - settings - keyboard -application shortcuts

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:06 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote:Odd point...is anyone else's whisker menu gradually shrinking... Mines gets a little smaller everytime I hit the "menu" button. I thought I was nuts at first, but now a scroll bar has shown up and the free space on the scrollbar gets bigger everytime I access the menu.

I can resize the menu of course, its just weird.

Mine was too small to start with, so I resized it. It has remained at that size since.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:34 pm**

ditto

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:35 pm**

A couple of fairly trivial things I have found:

You can right-click the Whisker menu and select Properties in order to configure it. One of the options on the Behaviour tab is to have an icon for 'All Settings; this launches Settings Manager. (This is off by default, but might be worth having on and removing the panel link for Settings Manager?).

Checking the tick-box to enable this results in the icon launching 'App-finder'. It should point to xfce4-settings-manager. (It's easy to change it in the properties dialogue.)

I'm sure this worked correctly in B1.

Also, if Firefox is installed, when clicking an image file in Thunar Firefox launches instead of Mirage. Again, it's easy to change, but confusing for a beginner.

Chris

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:39 pm**

Gaer Boy wrote: Installing Samba via metapackage-installer...solves the problem...but still needs to be fixed in the default install, obviously.

I'm a bit mystified by this. I can browse network shares (NTFS) from Thunar with no problem. I have just checked it running live and then immediately after a fresh install. Navigating from 'Browse Network' to the shared folder (partition in this case) adds a Network entry 'smb://Annesroom/Winfiles' which I can then use directly. I have to repeat the navigation on subsequent boots.

Am I the only one for whom this is working?[/quote]
I do not know the secret sauce to get samba shares working on the MX side. Installed samba, and get an errror in Thunar when accessing the network, How does one share a folder. Do you have to mess with the samba.cfg file?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:41 pm**

I don't know if this is the intended behavior, but . . .

Using "Printers (CUPS)" from the menu on a live USB stick and in virtualbox, I get "Server refused the connection."

In a VM install adding my printer was easy. (Samsung ML-1640)

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:42 pm**

Also, if Firefox is installed, when clicking an image file in Thunar Firefox launches instead of Mirage.

That's what a FF install does on any OS, I think, and it's very annoying.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:47 pm**

richb wrote:
Gaer Boy wrote: Installing Samba via metapackage-installer...solves the problem...but still needs to be fixed in the default install, obviously.
I'm a bit mystified by this. I can browse network shares (NTFS) from Thunar with no problem. I have just checked it running live and then immediately after a fresh install. Navigating from 'Browse Network' to the shared folder (partition in this case) adds a Network entry 'smb://Annesroom/Winfiles' which I can then use directly. I have to repeat the navigation on subsequent boots.

Am I the only one for whom this is working?

I do not know the secret sauce to get samba shares working on the MX side. Installed samba, and get an errror in Thunar when accessing the network, How does one share a folder. Do you have to mess with the samba.cfg file?[/quote]
The quote is a bit garbled, Rich - only the last bit is mine. I've not managed to succesfully share a folder from Mepis or MX yet - I don't know the sambas secret either. This is not a priority for me, although I want to get it working one day. My main requirement is to be able to pull files from the real WinXP machine to my main desktop, and that works fine - I simply browse the shared partition over the network.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:54 pm**

Thanks Gaer Boy. I am trying to share between a KDE install on a laptop and MX-14 on a desktop. It is fairly automatic KDE to KDE, but I suspect that one has to modify configuration files in MX-14. Beyond me at this point, so I will put it aside for the more important MX-14 evaluations. I do not want to muddy the waters.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:16 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:
Also, if Firefox is installed, when clicking an image file in Thunar Firefox launches instead of Mirage.
That's what a FF install does on any OS, I think, and it's very annoying.

Browsers are a fast loading image viewer (*jpg, *.bmp *.png, *gif of course, or just *.txt, not sure what else). I sometimes drag pics to a FF icon for this, but I digress....still using the previous *.iso and still just reading and trying to comprehend some of the discussion, although it often feels like I'm overhearing a group of wizards discussing magic.

Kindly

Mick

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:31 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:
Also, if Firefox is installed, when clicking an image file in Thunar Firefox launches instead of Mirage.
That's what a FF install does on any OS, I think, and it's very annoying.

I just tried this on a fresh install of Zorin-OS-8, chosen because it doesn't have Firefox installed as standard, and the disc happened to be at the top of the pile. I had been playing with it before B2 was up, and couldn't remember this happening.

I checked jpg and png files opened in the default viewer. (EOG). I then installed Firefox, rebooted, and the image files still opened in EOG, so it's possible to achieve the desired behaviour somehow.

Of course, it's the 'somehow' that's the problem

Chris

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:11 pm**

wow, brilliant!

burned to a dvd -r for an ancient p4 laptop which then took almost the entire 20 minutes for setup (i forgot) worked well though. i thought the clock was off but needed to run ceni again. also forgot about the ESS Maestro thing but all is well now

.

used custom install to include a swap partition :) enjoyed the meta-installer right away to swoop on opera. beautiful, fast and seems to run noticeably cooler than the antiX kde that it replaced.

easy... and thanks

inxi.txt

kinda knew it was going to be great by looking at the sources

definitely on the right track.

meme?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:14 pm**

Hey, loco! Don't you think you need to start a thread about a theme song for MX-14?

Everybody is definitely working too hard on this...

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:23 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:That was fixed with the recent b2 patch (which you perhaps have not applied?)

After downloading MX-14_13.98_386-xfce.iso (from the antiX server), do I still need to apply the patch?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:33 pm**

Not if you did it today

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:55 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:Not if you did it today

OK, thanks. I haven't even had a chance to download the second beta yet.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:58 pm**

Posting from the live beta2. Booted straight up, no issues. Fed it my wireless passcode and bingo. Pretty spunky for a live disk on this old P4 1024 laptop.

Question -- I have an antique Dell PIII-700MHz/512MB with a load of M8. I've tried straight antiX and just don't care for it. (No offense intended at all, I'm too much of a GUI weenie.) Any chance this woul perform equally well? Be nice to have a current OS on that old beater.

Here's the inxi on this P4-1024MB Vaio:

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demo@mx1:~
$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae i686 (32 bit) 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.10.2 Distro: MX-14_13.98_386-xfce beta2 30 January 2014
Machine:   System: Sony product: PCG-K13(UC) version: C1006989
           Mobo: Sony model: Q-Project version: 01 Bios: Phoenix version: R0107X1 date: 03/26/2004
CPU:       Single core Intel Pentium 4 CPU (-UP-) cache: 512 KB flags: (pae sse sse2) clocked at 2791.356 MHz 
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS200 [Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M] 
           X.Org: 1.12.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1024x768@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI R100 (RS200 4337) x86/MMX/SSE2 NO-TCL DRI2 GLX Version: 1.3 Mesa 8.0.5
Audio:     Card: ULi M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device driver: snd_ali5451 Sound: ALSA ver: k3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae
Network:   Card-1: Atheros AR5212/AR5213 Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath5k 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:0e:9b:01:40:77
           Card-2: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ driver: 8139too 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 08:00:46:ce:c9:50
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 47.9GB (14.4% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: FUJITSU_MHT2040A size: 40.0GB 
           2: USB id: /dev/sdb model: USB_Flash_Drive size: 7.9GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 743M used: 5.5M (1%) fs: rootfs ID: swap-1 size: 1.83GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 52.0C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 113 Uptime: 12 min Memory: 191.1/944.2MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.16 
demo@mx1:~

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:10 pm**

uncle mark wrote:Posting from the live beta2. Booted straight up, no issues. Fed it my wireless passcode and bingo. Pretty spunky for a live disk on this old P4 1024 laptop.

LOL... and it's already tellin' me I've got three updates to do.

You guys need to slow down, sheesh.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:28 pm**

Wow! I mean freaking Wow!

Post now live from my antique Dell lappy with a smokin' 700MHz PIII and 512MB RAM. And it's actually (subjectively) as quick if not quicker than the P4/1024MB Vaio I was playing with earlier. The RealTek PCMCIA wireless card was picked up automagically (normally have to use ndiswrapper), fed it my wireless code, and here I am.

During boot, there were some antiX messages about disabling or removing services, something like lean, leaner, leanest. Anybody wanna tell me what that's about?

At any rate, it looks like the load of M8 on this thing is probably not long for this world.

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demo@mx1:~
$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae i686 (32 bit) 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.10.2 Distro: MX-14_13.98_386-xfce beta2 30 January 2014
Machine:   Mobo: Dell model: Latitude C600 Bios: Dell version: A21 date: 04/12/2001
CPU:       Single core Pentium III (Coppermine) (-UP-) cache: 256 KB flags: (pae sse) clocked at 751.690 MHz 
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x 
           X.Org: 1.12.4 drivers: ati (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1024x768@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on softpipe GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.5
Audio:     Card: ESS ES1983S Maestro-3i PCI Audio Accelerator Sound: ALSA ver: k3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8180L 802.11b MAC driver: rtl8180 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:90:47:07:48:a1
           Card-2: 3Com 3c556 Hurricane CardBus [Cyclone] driver: 3c59x 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:04:76:46:d4:2e
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 27.9GB (24.8% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: HITACHI_DK23CA size: 20.0GB 
           2: USB id: /dev/sdb model: USB_Flash_Drive size: 7.9GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 388M used: 5.4M (2%) fs: rootfs ID: swap-1 size: 1.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 53.5C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 108 Uptime: 14 min Memory: 178.3/500.5MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.16 
demo@mx1:~
$ ^C
demo@mx1:~
$

Good job guys. Very impressed.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:06 pm**

uncle mark wrote:During boot, there were some antiX messages about disabling or removing services, something like lean, leaner, leanest. Anybody wanna tell me what that's about?

That is entirely to make the Live system boot faster and use less memory.

It is controlled by the antiX= boot parameter which is explained briefly here:

These are options that are only available in antiX

lean -- disable some services including wicd for a fast boot
mean -- disable dhclient (Internet connection)
Xtralean -- disable more services for a faster boot
nodbus -- disable dbus service
[...]

NOTE: Four of these options are combined into the single antiX= option. For example antiX=LMX.

L stands for lean
M stands for mean
X stands for Xtralean
D stands for nodbus

That is just an HTML version of the bootloader help that is available via "F1 Help" in the bootloader. I believe anticapitalista is adapting the help screens for MX.

You can look at the file /etc/init.d/antiX-disable-services to see which services are disabled by each parameter (or letter). Some (many?) of the services on those lists don't exist or are not installed. To see which services actually get disabled use the super secret "db++" boot option. the info is saved in /var/log/live/antiX-init.log which can be useful if some of it scrolls off the screen. If the colored text bothers you use the "noco" (nocolor) boot option to turn it off or use "loco" (lowcolor) to get a slightly different color scheme.

Just remove the "antiX=MLX" boot parameter if you don't want any services disabled. Actually, you only need to remove the "MLX".

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:53 pm**

Fresh install of latest MX-14 Beta. CD burned with default Windows 7 app.

Other than needing to unmute the sound all the basics appear to be working ootb.I had my concerns but Youtube videos play with no problem (yet) in Qupzilla. No crashing or burning so looking pretty solid so far.

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james@mx1:~
$  inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae i686 (32 bit) 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.10.2 Distro: MX-14_13.98_386-xfce beta2 30 January 2014
Machine:   Mobo: ECS model: GeForce7050M-M version: 1.0 Bios: American Megatrends version: 080014 date: 05/30/2008
CPU:       Dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 svm) 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1000.00 MHz 2: 1000.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA C68 [GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a] 
           X.Org: 1.12.4 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1440x900@59.9hz 
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NV67 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.5
Audio:     Card: NVIDIA MCP67 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel Sound: ALSA ver: k3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae
Network:   Card: NVIDIA MCP67 Ethernet driver: forcedeth 
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:1e:90:fe:92:50
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (-) 1: id: /dev/sda model: ST3250318AS size: 250.1GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 16G used: 2.4G (17%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 6.40GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 30.0C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 127 Uptime: 14 min Memory: 203.4/3793.7MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.16 
james@mx1:~

$ free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 3884740 641760 3242980 0 68020 366140
-/+ buffers/cache: 207600 3677140
Swap: 6246396 0 6246396
james@mx1:~

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:04 am**

Finally made it in and I'm running Beta 2 (a build within the past 24 hours or so). Got it to boot live on both of my systems, a Gateway 2000 Series 17" portable and a Lenovo 3000 Series laptop.

The Gateway uses a Broadcom 4311 wireless firmware driver, which is half and half as far as distributions including it; MEPIS and antiX usually do, this release doesn't detect it if it's there. (Anti may recall from past discussions that there are two Broadcom firmware drivers that should be included from Debian: b43 and b43legacy, but NOT the STL or whatever that other one is; it causes conflicts and doesn't work as well as b43 does.

On the Lenovo, I have Intel Pro Wireless 3945 firmware; that is included with nearly all distros, and that is working fine. That probably means I'll try installing here first.

I believe I have a binary drop of the b43 package; I'll try to bring it in manually to see if that's what is missing on the Gateway and I'll try to install tomorrow if I can get the time.

Both systems boot just fine; so far the wireless firmware (just the Broadcom b43 driver) is the only thing I notice that's missing so far.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:25 am**

richb wrote:
Gaer Boy wrote: Installing Samba via metapackage-installer...solves the problem...but still needs to be fixed in the default install, obviously.
I'm a bit mystified by this. I can browse network shares (NTFS) from Thunar with no problem. I have just checked it running live and then immediately after a fresh install. Navigating from 'Browse Network' to the shared folder (partition in this case) adds a Network entry 'smb://Annesroom/Winfiles' which I can then use directly. I have to repeat the navigation on subsequent boots.

Am I the only one for whom this is working?

I do not know the secret sauce to get samba shares working on the MX side. Installed samba, and get an errror in Thunar when accessing the network, How does one share a folder. Do you have to mess with the samba.cfg file?[/quote]

well...I am running live with persistence. everything seems to be working, but I'm at home today and guess what works...network share browsing! For whatever reason, share browsing at work doesn't work, but browsing at home does. There must be something in the two network configs that's different, because I haven't changed anything on the install. And I have NOT installed the samba package. This is totally with whatever is on the beta2 (second) iso by default.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:33 am**

That's great to hear, thanks for staying with it.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:41 am**

You mean the Network icon in Thunar? When I click on that I get the cryptic error message "Failed to open "/" On"

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:06 am**

richb wrote:You mean the Network icon in Thunar? When I click on that I get the cryptic error message "Failed to open "/" On"

yep. this is with the second beta 2, that has gvfs-backends installed.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:03 pm**

I have been attempting to install Samba on the B2. Synaptic always tells me that the package is broken, and that I need to fix it/them.

I cannot locate any instructions for doing so.
Although it usually took me numerous attempts, I was usually successful at setting Samba up on previous versions of Mepis.

What is different here?

Which of the distributions is the recommended one for Synaptic to be accessing?

Which of the many Samba entries should I select for installation--I tried Samba (plain) and received the "Fix broken package" error?

Thanks,
Jerry in Anchorage

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:09 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote:
richb wrote:You mean the Network icon in Thunar? When I click on that I get the cryptic error message "Failed to open "/" On"
yep. this is with the second beta 2, that has gvfs-backends installed.

some progress. Installed gvfs-backends. That eliminated the error message. I Then had to edit the ~.config/connectshares/connectshares.conf file and add the IP of my other machine on the network. I then can get a Workgroup icon from Network. But it errors being unable to find shares.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:10 pm**

This has come up several times.

Install samba by using the metapackage-installer.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:17 pm**

Anti--

If your post was for me (Jerry in Anchorage), I can locate no information on "metapackage-installer" that seems to apply to MX-14.

What is it, & where is it? Please?

Jerry in Anchorage

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:21 pm**

muskt wrote:Anti--

If your post was for me (Jerry in Anchorage), I can locate no information on "metapackage-installer" that seems to apply to MX-14.

What is it, & where is it? Please?

Jerry in Anchorage

Menu - Accessories-metapackage-installer (Or in recently used)

Give password, go to Network -> click on the > to open the menu ->click Samba

Press install

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:25 pm**

Since the MX site is temporarily broken, if you need to get the Beta2 at this moment you can use this direct link:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/antix-l ... X-14/beta/

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:35 pm**

Thanks, Anti---

Found it and ran it. It finally asked for a code. Is that a password, or what? Anyway, I exited via the instruction and nothing seems different. No Samba.

Damn, I feel stupid.

Jerry in Anchorage

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:43 pm**

muskt wrote:Thanks, Anti---

Found it and ran it. It finally asked for a code. Is that a password, or what? Anyway, I exited via the instruction and nothing seems different. No Samba.

Damn, I feel stupid.

Jerry in Anchorage

Is this what you're talking about?

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Setting up samba-common-bin (2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1) ...
Setting up samba-dsdb-modules (2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1) ...
Setting up tdb-tools (1.2.12-1~bpo70+1) ...
update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/tdbbackup.tdbtools to provide /usr/bin/tdbbackup (tdbbackup) in auto mode
Setting up libkdc2-heimdal:i386 (1.6~git20120403+dfsg1-2) ...
Setting up samba (2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1) ...
Adding group `sambashare' (GID 116) ...
Done.
[ ok ] Starting SMB/CIFS daemon: smbd.
[ ok ] Starting NetBIOS name server: nmbd.
Setting up smbclient (2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1) ...
---- preprocessing done----
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.

search all installed packages who need locale packages, please wait ...
grep-dctrl: /var/lib/apt/lists/antix.daveserver.info_stable_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages:511: expected a colon
.
==================================
enter your code or close the window <ALT> + <F4>
#

I'm not sure how to proceed as well.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:49 pm**

Just ignore that message and press Enter

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:55 pm**

anticapitalista wrote:Just ignore that message

Is it just an error when exiting the metainstaller?

Running dpkg -C, and dpkg -l in another terminal, it looks like samba installed okay:

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demo@mx1:~
$ dpkg -C
demo@mx1:~
$ dpkg -l | grep -e samba -e smb
ii  libsmbclient:i386                           2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1             i386         shared library for communication with SMB/CIFS servers
ii  python-samba                                2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1             i386         Python bindings for Samba
ii  samba                                       2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1             i386         SMB/CIFS file, print, and login server for Unix
ii  samba-common                                2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1             all          common files used by both the Samba server and client
ii  samba-common-bin                            2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1             i386         Samba common files used by both the server and the client
ii  samba-dsdb-modules                          2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1             i386         Samba Directory Services Database
ii  samba-libs:i386                             2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1             i386         Samba core libraries
ii  smbclient                                   2:4.1.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1             i386         command-line SMB/CIFS clients for Unix
demo@mx1:~
$

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:05 pm**

muskt wrote:If your post was for me (Jerry in Anchorage), I can locate no information on "metapackage-installer" that seems to apply to MX-14.

I couldn't find it either. But stumbled on it using the search bar at the top of the menu.

In my mind, it would be more intuitive for it to be found under System. In fact, on the web site's screenshots, it looks like that's where it ought to be.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:08 pm**

That location is driven by the desktop application file from the developer. It can be changed by the user, but will get overwritten by the next upgrade.

That's why I find that top search box so useful...don't have to know where things are.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:09 pm**

I just learned of this new distro. Can you tell me what it's (going to be) like or give me an information link?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:10 pm**

If I continue at this (trying to learn Linux), in 8 or 10 years (if I live that long), I may just get to join the club, & learn the secret handshake (as well as the secret language/terminology used).

Jerry
(with tongue firmly embedded in cheek)
In Anchorage

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:12 pm**

"I just learned of this new distro. Can you tell me what it's (going to be) like or give me an information link?"

It occurred a couple of days age. No new numbering (except for the 2nd or 3rd decimal place on the download server)--nothing confusing about that(embedded sarcasm)--Beta 2a might have helped.

Jerry in Anchorage

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:16 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:That location is driven by the desktop application file from the developer. It can be changed by the user, but will get overwritten by the next upgrade.

That's why I find that top search box so useful...don't have to know where things are.

Screenshot #3 on the web page implies that it's under System. At least that's how I read it. Not bitching, just pointing out what could be a souce of confusion. It got me.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:19 pm**

kmathern wrote:Is it just an error when exiting the metainstaller?

Yes.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:09 pm**

lonesomepoint wrote:I just learned of this new distro. Can you tell me what it's (going to be) like or give me an information link?

http://mepiscommunity.org/mx

What are people getting for memory usage? Is htop a good tool to get this? It seems like minimum recommended memory should be 256 MB, and it would run well with 512--barring those big memory-eaters like Google Earth. It'll probably boot to a desktop with 128 MB, but start swapping as soon as you do anything.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:13 pm**

Stevo wrote:What are people getting for memory usage? Is htop a good tool to get this? It seems like minimum recommended memory should be 256 MB, and it would run well with 512--barring those big memory-eaters like Google Earth. It'll probably boot to a desktop with 128 MB, but start swapping as soon as you do anything.

I posted earlier that it runs great (live) on a PIII-700MHz with 512MB.

Just a data point.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:25 pm**

It is using 130MiB in a VB install when no apps open.
184MiB with Thunar and Qupzilla open

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:40 pm**

Stevo wrote:It seems like minimum recommended memory should be 256 MB, and it would run well with 512--barring those big memory-eaters like Google Earth. It'll probably boot to a desktop with 128 MB, but start swapping as soon as you do anything.

I did a test today with an Athlon XP 1700 system with 256 MB RAM. It ran live, and installed, but was pretty much unusable. I tried four different browsers; two of them crashed when a 'busy' page tried to load, and the other two wouldn't run Flash.

I then tried with the graphics card removed, taking another 64 MB of RAM away. It booted live, but was too slow to be useful. When I tried to install from live, it failed at the 'creating' partition' stage with an error message.

I then tried using the CLI installer from the boot menu, but early on I was left with a black screen and no control.

My conclusion is that 512 MB is the realistic minimum.

Chris

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:48 pm**

I've wondered how much linux swap might make a difference on that small amount of ram (256mb)? I've seen machine running OK on 1 gig of ram but add 2-3 gigs of Swap to the hard drive and it acts like a new machine it runs so fast. Don't know if it would make as much difference starting with such a small amount of ram or not.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:59 pm**

Although MX-14 is pretty light compared to KDE and some other implementations of Xfce, it still is 'heavy' as it uses quite a lot of stuff to make it a featured 'desktop' ie all the gvfs stuff that adds around 40MB to running live RAM use.

I would say that 256MB with pre-configured swap to be the bare minimum. 512 should be ok, but users should not expect miracles.
ie running firefox with 100 tabs open whilst watching a video in vlc and ripping a dvd.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:08 pm**

anticapitalista wrote: running firefox with 100 tabs open whilst watching a video in vlc and ripping a dvd.

Ah, you've seen me at work...

Chris

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:10 pm**

anticapitalista wrote:...but users should not expect miracles.
ie running firefox with 100 tabs open whilst watching a video in vlc and ripping a dvd.

Well sh!t, that makes it pretty much worthless then.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:14 pm**

Joking aside, you will be surprised what some people think they can do with an old box/laptop.

If I got a euro (or dollar/yen/pound) for every unrealistic expectation of what (name distro here) can do, I'd be a millionaire.

You know how it goes.

"I have an old computer that worked fantastically with windows 98 until it got slowed down by virus. I read that linux can save old computers like mine, but what a load of baloney! I can't surf the net, video doesn't work, I tried to rip a dvd. Nothing but crashes.
BTW It is a PII with 128MB RAM. Why won't firefox work? Netscape did!"

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:24 pm**

I'm actually amazed at how many old machines will work at all after 7-10 years, much less work well with Linux. Most of the time they work as well or better than they did with Windows, but there is a limit with processors, and video cards, even when the ram is bumped up to the maximum amount.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:33 pm**

My 14 year old 1.7 GHz P4 was a no go with Debian 6.0, and KDE at 312 Mb ram and an old nVidia graphics card. Bumping it up to 1 Gb ram and a nVidia 6200 made it usable but no speed demon, and at times frustrating to use. Now with MX-14 on, it runs, while not super fast, at a very responsive clip. Videos and Youtube are smooth. Netflix desktop, however, is choppy and really not usable as such. So limitations remain with older machines.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:38 pm**

I'd actually like to see people start describing the performance on new(er) machines, b/c the whole field of old machines and Linux has been done...by antiX!

What's happening on the upper end?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:42 pm**

Do not have an upper end machine to put it on but in VB on my new laptop it flies.

CPU Intel i5 Dual core 1.8 GHz, Intel onboard graphics, 12 Gb ram.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:49 pm**

Very fast on my year-old AMD-based laptop, which is considered a "basic" laptop.

CPU: Dual core AMD A6-4400M APU with Radeon HD Graphics (-MCP-)

As most distros do, it sets the HDMI as the default sound output, but that can be fixed in .asoundrc.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:52 pm**

Not really high end hardware but my Acer C7 Chromebook is running Ubuntu crouton Xfce and looks and runs awesome. That is low end new hardware, I can only imagine how good Linux would be on high end new hardware with tons of ram.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:54 pm**

I'd rather hear about MX-14, thanks

;-D

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:55 pm**

KBD wrote:Not really high end hardware but my Acer C7 Chromebook is running Ubuntu crouton Xfce and looks and runs awesome. That is low end new hardware, I can only imagine how good Linux would be on high end new hardware with tons of ram.

Have you tried MX-14 on that Chromebook? If so, how is it running compared to Ubuntu crouton Xfce.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:00 pm**

anticapitalista wrote:
KBD wrote:Not really high end hardware but my Acer C7 Chromebook is running Ubuntu crouton Xfce and looks and runs awesome. That is low end new hardware, I can only imagine how good Linux would be on high end new hardware with tons of ram.
Have you tried MX-14 on that Chromebook? If so, how is it running compared to Ubuntu crouton Xfce.

I would like to try it, but I don't know of any chroot for it besides Debian and Ubuntu. Not sure what would be involved in someone creating a MX chroot. It might be worth considering in the near future as Chromebook sales are taking off. I have to think MX would fly on my Chromebook, as would AntiX.
Here is some info about Crouton:
https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:26 pm**

anticapitalista wrote:Joking aside, you will be surprised what some people think they can do with an old box/laptop.

If I got a euro (or dollar/yen/pound) for every unrealistic expectation of what (name distro here) can do, I'd be a millionaire.

You know how it goes.

"I have an old computer that worked fantastically with windows 98 until it got slowed down by virus. I read that linux can save old computers like mine, but what a load of baloney! I can't surf the net, video doesn't work, I tried to rip a dvd. Nothing but crashes.
BTW It is a PII with 128MB RAM. Why won't firefox work? Netscape did!"

No, I wouldn't. Some people think Linux will run on a toaster, and it should run like a quad core with 4G RAM.

Once upon a time I thought I'd be all do-goody and fix up old computers and donate them to deserving folks (my wife is a professional do-gooder and she had plenty of potential recipients).

I got tired of people turning their noses up at what I offered. Wasn't good enough, fast enough, fancy enough. Plus they expected to be supported for free, too. Gave up the charity work quickly. Now I deal with cash customers only. I may adjust my pricing to their situations (within reason), but it's amazing how much less people will settle for when they're paying for it.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:32 pm**

KBD wrote:
anticapitalista wrote:Have you tried MX-14 on that Chromebook? If so, how is it running compared to Ubuntu crouton Xfce.
I would like to try it, but I don't know of any chroot for it besides Debian and Ubuntu. Not sure what would be involved in someone creating a MX chroot. It might be worth considering in the near future as Chromebook sales are taking off. I have to think MX would fly on my Chromebook, as would AntiX.
Here is some info about Crouton:
https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton

I've been looking for an excuse to buy a Chromebook. If you guys could come up with an MX that worked like Crouton, that would put me over the edge.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:47 pm**

Wow xfce beta 2 which installed without any problems -- great system.I have used meta package installer to install
Icewm
mate
kde ststem
lxde
gnome
All of these systems which are available after installing them using xfce beta 2 - you can logout and choosing which system to run from the login menu which one you want to use .you can run different systems at your will.
Thanks anticapitalista for the meta package installer this allows anybody to try different systems and try them as they want by log out and login choosing what they want to run.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:54 am**

I was not able to boot the first beta on the test system.

(A7n8X MB, Athlon XP 2500 (1.8GHz single core), 3G RAM.
The machine is of early windows XP vintage, a good target population for such a medium weight operating system.
For me that is a key divider, modern systems are dual core or more.
Older single core systems need more efficient software, and hopefull enough RAM.

I did not try patching beta1.

The second beta waas (13.98) downloaded, verified md5, verified burn, and booted.
Seemed to hang, black screen with the white bar where the panel would go.

CNTL ALT backspace, (? what else) and up popped a log in
logged in as demo, started browsing the file system with Thunar, a Win XP hard drive,
and the system locked, for minutes not reacting to any mouse click anywhere on the screen, couldnt open a terminal, nothing

ctl-alt-sysrq REISUB

Rebooted
(seems to load slowly, but it is older hardware)
Everything fine, logged in as demo.

I will do further testing as I recall my earlier xfce usages.

So far looks good, not sure about that first boot, maybe I was impatient and should have waited longer?
I browsed the same drive again, and did not lock up.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:21 am**

My desktop is relatively speedy.
I7-930
6G Ram
Nvidia GTX550TI
WD Velociraptor 320G 10000RPM Drive (for this distro).

I have a multi-boot system, and starting from scratch probably wouldn't be fair.
So, I started timing from the GRUB prompt when I selected MX-14.
I entered the password as quickly as possible.
I also have a 5 second delay in my Conky.

From the beginning to the time Conky was on was 53 seconds.

I do not know if that is fast or not--seems pretty speedy to me.

Edit: Hmmmmmmm! I just logged out and rebooted into a "mature" install of Win 7 and it took 13 seconds.

Edit #2--Big dummy--Win7 is on an SSD. Sorry 'bout that.

Jerry in Anchorage

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:34 am**

entropyfoe wrote:So far looks good, not sure about that first boot, maybe I was impatient and should have waited longer?.

For me it seems to take forever for the XFCE desktop to appear. I'm hoping this is something we can improve before the final release. From my experience I think you just needed to wait more. OTOH I don't think it is good for users to have to wait so long to get to the desktop. Running in VirtualBox, it takes 15 seconds between when it switches from vt1 until I get a desktop background. The whole process takes about 30 seconds.

Maybe I'm spoiled. My development system (with an ssd but only a scsi-2 bus) boots in 15 seconds.

BTW: you can get the seconds between when the machine booted and when a process started with this command:

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cut -d" " -f22 /proc/XXXX/stat

where XXX is the process ID. If you use "self" then you will get the time the cut command started. If you use "$$" then you will get the time the shell you are in started. The times are displayed in hundredths of a second so something that started 30 seconds after the machine booted would show "3000".

I poked around a little and most of the XFCE processes started within 15 seconds of boot but for some reason it takes another 15 seconds before I see the desktop bg image.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:37 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:This is a good time maybe to remind people that Alt-F5 is mapped to the screenshooter (see QuickStart).

Why are we mapping the screenshooter to this key combo when almost every system I have ever encountered has its screenshot tool mapped to the purpose built PrtSc key I have seen on every keyboard since I started with computers in 1995.

In such a move, I fear we doing the equivalent of trying to reinvent the wheel. Laptops have started coming out with a dedicated PrtSc button, my 2 laptops both have one as does our reception PC at work and our public internet terminal, my wifes Logitech Wireless Desktop 520 has a dedicated PrtSc key and I use mine almost every day. I'd be loathe to have to replace it with anything else.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:45 am**

+1. Even my old netbook has a PrtSc key.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:13 am**

Workaround to get a Screenshot button on the panel:

I went to Panel Preferences > Items tab and added a launcher (from the top of the "Add New Items" window). From the Items tab, selected the launcher and clicked the "Edit the currently selected item" button. In the next window, clicked the "Add one or more existing items to the launcher" button, selected "Screenshot," clicked the "Add" button.

Not the quickest way to go about it, but this Screenshooter launcher works.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:35 am**

m_pav wrote:
Jerry3904 wrote:This is a good time maybe to remind people that Alt-F5 is mapped to the screenshooter (see QuickStart).
Why are we mapping the screenshooter to this key combo when almost every system I have ever encountered has its screenshot tool mapped to the purpose built PrtSc key I have seen on every keyboard since I started with computers in 1995.

In such a move, I fear we doing the equivalent of trying to reinvent the wheel. Laptops have started coming out with a dedicated PrtSc button, my 2 laptops both have one as does our reception PC at work and our public internet terminal, my wifes Logitech Wireless Desktop 520 has a dedicated PrtSc key and I use mine almost every day. I'd be loathe to have to replace it with anything else.

I use screenshooter with a keystroke because I am often doing captures with something open that will close if I click somewhere else, and b/c screenshooter allows for a rectangle to be drawn, saving me a crop step, and--in the case of my AAO722 laptop, the PrtSc doesn't seem to work.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:56 am**

I haven't noticed much feedback about grub-customizer. I used it early on to change the default menu item, which was fine. Now I tried to change the appearance slightly - the default text is a bit cramped.

Careful - the Appearance settings make a great sledgehammer! Taking heed of the warnings, I cautiously tried increasing the point size by 1. This completely corrupted the grub screen - double-spaced text, character-drawn borders and a distorted graphic background. A number of attempts failed to revert to original settings, so I will have to repair grub. It's sort of usable at the moment, so no priority.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:18 am**

Most people seem to find its best use is to assign an alias (MX-14 working) or change order of listing

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:28 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote:A couple of quick comments:

4. flash problems (mentioned earlier) - click-to-flash prevents the flash windows on youtube from working correctly.

Well, I don't know what's different, but now a fresh install of beta 2 and click-to-flash is working fine.

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:34 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote:
dolphin_oracle wrote:A couple of quick comments:

4. flash problems (mentioned earlier) - click-to-flash prevents the flash windows on youtube from working correctly.

Well, I don't know what's different, but now a fresh install of beta 2 and click-to-flash is working fine.

Same here, I wonder what the diff is?

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:12 am**

I downloaded the Beta 2 and varified the md5. Could not get it to burn onto my Maxell cd's. Had to utilize a Ridata dvd to burn it onto. Live worked okay, except for the time being off 1 hour. I rechecked my BIOS clock to make sure my time was correct, and then began an install on my JUNKBOX. After install the time was off exactly 1 hour.

After a reboot, I rechecked my BIOS time (it was off 1 hour) and tried out MX-14 Beta 2 that I installed. Again the time was off 1 hour. I have been unable to correct this from within the desktop applications.

The system was shut down, coin battery was replaced, BIOS was rechecked (time was rechecked), and then rebooted to go into the beta. Time AGAIN was off 1 hour (Eastern time instead of Central time).

After rebooting I checked my BIOS. I'm not sure if 1)- my motherboard / BIOS chip is going flakey and changing the time on its own, OR 2)- the os is screwing with the time in BIOS somehow (?). I suspect the BIOS is getting flakey. I HATE unsoldering chips and replacing them on a motherboard. :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: But at least this is only a single layer board.

I have had the same complaints of centi working then not working, flash headaches. But all in all this beta works good to excellent. Now to get rid of the bugs.

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:30 am**

[quote="jdmeaux1952"]After a reboot, I rechecked my BIOS time (it was off 1 hour) and tried out MX-14 Beta 2 that I installed. Again the time was off 1 hour. I have been unable to correct this from within the desktop applications.

The system was shut down, coin battery was replaced, BIOS was rechecked (time was rechecked), and then rebooted to go into the beta. Time AGAIN was off 1 hour (Eastern time instead of Central time).

dpkg-reconfigure tzdata

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:26 am**

Maybe I missed something but you DID set up the timezone and such in the settings?

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:55 pm**

Make sure BIOS time is correct. On the installation, setup the time to not use UTC. After installation use kdesu systemsettings on a Command Line to set the time zone. Or do what um said.

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:02 pm**

Kdesu in MX-14?

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:06 pm**

for that matter systemsettings in MX-14?

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:08 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:Kdesu in MX-14?

Why? We don't have any KDE.

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