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Posted: **Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:06 pm**

Howdy,

A new Enlightenment 0.27 and EFL 1.28 has been released which makes Bookworm's 0.25.4 version two releases old now.
https://www.enlightenment.org/news

If and when it enters Sid and if it backports to Bookworm cleanly would it be possible to get the new version in the MX Test Repo?

I will say compared to other major DE's Enlightenment updates are quite incremental without big sweeping changes and are usually limited to a few bugfixes and new features so I'm guessing (and hoping) it would be a pretty straightforward backport.. I'm not relying on this happening but it would be nice to see what subtle bugs have been fixed.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:01 am**

I've built the efl-0.127.0 and enlightenment 0.26.0 packages for MX 23, from Sid, in the meantime. I had to do some semi-advanced tweaking to get it to build on a Bookworm base.

I can see it seems to have a Wayland session option now--IDK if it was there before. If it's new, have fun with that!

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:52 am**

Hi Stevo!

THANK YOU!! That's awesome! VERY much appreciated!

Actually Enlightenment was very early in the Wayland game but it does seem that development on that front has stagnated enough that most other DE's have caught up and surpassed it. Hopefully the semi-advanced tweaking you had to do for E-26 just works for E-27 as well.

Posted: **Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:53 pm**

Post deleted... I had my version numbers wrong.. All good

*EDIT

@timkb4cq

Stevo had mentioned another update to the latest Enlightenment/EFL release (E-0.27/EFL 1.28) a couple of days ago, I don't see a change in MX Test. If it's still on it's way no worries at all, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't lost in the mail..

Thanks for your tireless work with the Repos, so many backports to keep track of!!

Posted: **Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:51 pm**

Hi,

I just tried an upgrade in a Live session and unfortunately Terminology gets removed:

Code: Select all

Install
enlightenment-data [0.25.4-2] => (0.26.0-4~mx23+1)
enlightenment-dev [0.25.4-2] => (0.26.0-4~mx23+1)
enlightenment [0.25.4-2] => (0.26.0-4~mx23+1)
libddcutil4 (1.4.1-1)
libecore-audio1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-bin [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-con1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-drm2-1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-evas1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-fb1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-file1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-imf1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-input1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-ipc1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-wl2-1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore-x1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libecore1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libector1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libedje-bin [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libedje1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libeet-bin [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libeet1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libeeze1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libefl-all-dev [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libefreet-bin [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libefreet1a [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libeina1 (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libeio1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libelementary-bin [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libelementary-data [1.26.3-1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libelementary1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libelput1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libembryo-bin [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libembryo1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libemile1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libemotion1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libeolian-bin [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libeolian1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libethumb-client-bin [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libethumb-client1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libethumb1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libevas-loaders [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libevas1-engines-drm [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libevas1-engines-wayland [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libevas1-engines-x [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
libevas1 [1.26.3-1+b1] => (1.27.0-4~mx23+1)
liblua5.1-0-dev (5.1.5-9)
liblua5.1-0 (5.1.5-9)
packagekit (1.2.6-5)
usb.ids (2024.07.04-0+deb12u1)

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avl-mxe-file-actions [20250118-bookworm1-1]
libeina1a [1.26.3-1+b1]
terminology [1.13.0-1]

Terminology getting removed is an issue since it's Enlightenment's native terminal and that breaks a lot of Custom Action stuff in AVL including the package that contains them. I'm assuming a backport of Terminology is what's needed to prevent the Terminology dependency from getting removed? Sorry this more convoluted than I had hoped..

Posted: **Sun Jan 19, 2025 11:11 pm**

Yes, I probably need a new terminology built against the new efl, so am on it.

Debian does a lot of patching on efl and e17, so I'm waiting for the titular new releases to show up in Sid before attempting backports.

Posted: **Sun Jan 19, 2025 11:18 pm**

Good news, thanks very much!! No rush on any of this stuff!

Posted: **Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:08 am**

Here are the new terminology 1.13.0 packages, as well as Rage media player and ephoto rebuilds: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17QvIAe ... sp=sharing

Posted: **Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:02 am**

Stevo wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:08 am Here are the new terminology 1.13.0 packages, as well as Rage media player and ephoto rebuilds: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17QvIAe ... sp=sharing

Wow, soopa-fast!

OK, let me try a VM upgrade tonight again and see how it goes, I have also learned that any outside custom Enlightenment modules are version-specific. This means the optional (but extremely useful) 'Places' module I just integrated and built against E 0.25.4 gets broken when updating to 0.26..

Obviously you guys don't want to get into packaging modified outside custom modules so I will need to have supplemental 'hackages' that match the module to the Users version..

Some context on 'Places': viewtopic.php?t=83407

That module source is here, and it builds easily with EFL dev libs + udisks2-dev dependency but I have modified my local build with alternate Icons:

https://git.enlightenment.org/enlighten ... ule-places

*ADDED

OK took another run at things in a VM and upgrading enlightenment, enlightenment-data and terminology pulled in everything needed and no removals (Yay! and Thank You!). I still have this Places module conundrum but that's a 'me problem'.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:14 pm**

OK, just to confirm... and for others reading.

*Be aware the update from 0.25.4 - 0.26.0 is very subtle to the point that you will likely not notice anything at all, there were quiet bugfixes and no major new features in this update:
https://www.enlightenment.org/news/2023 ... ent-0.26.0

This time I upgraded on my Devbox and this worked:

MXPI-->MX Test-->"Upgradable"-->select enlightenment, enlightenment-data, terminology, terminology-data and this should pull all relevant EFL stuff in and update the system to 0.26.0

If you are using Enlightenment in AV Linux 23.5 with the new 'Places' module you will need to install the matching module to the version of Enlightenment you are using:
https://bandshed.net/packages/AVL_MXe-2 ... ES_MODULE/

Many thanks to @Stevo and hopefully at some point the very latest Enlightenment 0.27 will enter Sid and backport here

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:07 am**

AVLinux wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:14 pm
...
Many thanks to @Stevo and hopefully at some point the very latest Enlightenment 0.27 will enter Sid and backport here

They are now in Sid, so I'll try them in the next day or two, barring any disasters.

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:37 am**

Stevo wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:07 am
AVLinux wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:14 pm
...
Many thanks to @Stevo and hopefully at some point the very latest Enlightenment 0.27 will enter Sid and backport here
They are now in Sid, so I'll try them in the next day or two, barring any disasters.

Fingers

!

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:50 am**

I've got efl built, and then the new enlightenment builds successfully against that, so things look good--I just have to get the new terminology, rage, and ephoto rebuilt against those.

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:07 am**

You sir, are amazing!!

I will watch and wait for the whole enchilada to arrive and run a few tests, hopefully it's as smooth as 0.26 was once the duckies are in a row.

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:57 am**

e17, efl, and the new terminology rebuilds are done and installed, but I'm finishing up in KDE. I will say terminology looks and run really nicely in KDE, though!

Do you much about multi-monitor support on Enlightenment? I use a large external display on my laptop, with the lappy's screen disabled and off if in the corner at an angle, so when I log into Enlightenment, I have to use the laptop screen. and get a crick in my neck. I'm sure it's just some setting.

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:26 pm**

Stevo wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:57 am e17, efl, and the new terminology rebuilds are done and installed, but I'm finishing up in KDE. I will say terminology looks and run really nicely in KDE, though!

Do you much about multi-monitor support on Enlightenment? I use a large external display on my laptop, with the lappy's screen disabled and off if in the corner at an angle, so when I log into Enlightenment, I have to use the laptop screen. and get a crick in my neck. I'm sure it's just some setting.

Menu-->Settings-->Screen Setup will give you a utility for that.. I'll be honest I haven't really used it much and like a lot of E stuff it makes sense (once you understand E's quirky logic but may not be immediately intuitive). I have a dual-head setup in the Studio but it's from a Desktop and the monitors are the same size and with them plugged into the ports in order they 'just work'. Some folks prefer installing and using arandr for it's familiarity..

+1 for terminology, it does a lot of fun stuff!

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:45 pm**

Hmmm--I installed connman-gtk in MX-KDE so Enlightenment could use it, and I immediately lost my KDE networking, as well as my bluetooth mouse and earpods. Even switching the mouse to a 2.4 GHz wireless dongle it comes with didn't work.

I managed to bring up a terminal, like a caveman, uninstall it, log out and back in, and things were working. Go figure, maybe it's just this Dell. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Uploading the new packages to Gdrive now.

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:48 pm**

Stevo wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:45 pm Hmmm--I installed connman-gtk in MX-KDE so Enlightenment could use it, and I immediately lost my KDE networking, as well as my bluetooth mouse and earpods. Even switching the mouse to a 2.4 GHz wireless dongle it comes with didn't work. I managed to bring up a terminal, like a caveman, uninstall it, log out and back in, and things were working. Go figure, maybe it's just this Dell. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hmmm, well I installed KDE with E for a few months to try it and they make strange bedfellows for sure. Just so you know there is QT Connman frontend called CMST, perhap it being QT would be better tolerated? I will tell you KDE likes to be the boss and doesn't remove very cleanly.. But I would think scrubbing E off a KDE sytem wouldn't be difficult..

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:03 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:48 pm
Stevo wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:45 pm Hmmm--I installed connman-gtk in MX-KDE so Enlightenment could use it, and I immediately lost my KDE networking, as well as my bluetooth mouse and earpods. Even switching the mouse to a 2.4 GHz wireless dongle it comes with didn't work. I managed to bring up a terminal, like a caveman, uninstall it, log out and back in, and things were working. Go figure, maybe it's just this Dell. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hmmm, well I installed KDE with E for a few months to try it and they make strange bedfellows for sure. Just so you know there is QT Connman frontend called CMST, perhap it being QT would be better tolerated? I will tell you KDE likes to be the boss and doesn't remove very cleanly.. But I would think scrubbing E off a KDE sytem wouldn't be difficult..

Well, yes, I just install enlightenment in a terminal, and then uninstall and autoremove everything that brought in. Easy-peasy.

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:48 pm**

Is E Wayland aware yet, which means able to run under Wayland?

Posted: **Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:58 pm**

DeepDayze wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:48 pm Is E Wayland aware yet, which means able to run under Wayland?

Apparently it's had Wayland sessions available for quite some time!

I suppose this thread is Solved for now, since it's backported for the test repo?

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:02 am**

Stevo wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:58 pm
DeepDayze wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:48 pm Is E Wayland aware yet, which means able to run under Wayland?
Apparently it's had Wayland sessions available for quite some time!

I suppose this thread is Solved for now, since it's backported for the test repo?

Oh just curious as I plan to give E a try.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:16 am**

@DeepDayze

Other than some ArchWiki stuff there is almost no info about using Enlightenment out there and even less about using it with Wayland.. You can speak with the E developer directly on their #e IRC channel but it's hit and miss to find him.

My understanding is that in E-19 a few years back Wayland session stuff was started and it's seen slow development, from spotty sources it seems the wayland session is not accessible from the Login Manager although there is a note in the last release about it being accessible through GDM, whether that also applies to lightDM or SDDM is unknown. If it doesn't appear in the Display Manager then you have to start a Wayland session from the command line. Lastly, there is a 'Wayland Desktop Shell' module in Enlightenment that I would guess needs to be loaded before using Wayland in a session. There are some notes at enlightenment.org about Wayland and nVidia potentially not playing nice together as well.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:21 am**

AVLinux wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:16 am @DeepDayze

Other than some ArchWiki stuff there is almost no info about using Enlightenment out there and even less about using it with Wayland.. You can speak with the E developer directly on their #e IRC channel but it's hit and miss to find him.

My understanding is that in E-19 a few years back Wayland session stuff was started and it's seen slow development, from spotty sources it seems the wayland session is not accessible from the Login Manager although there is a note in the last release about it being accessible through GDM, whether that also applies to lightDM or SDDM is unknown. If it doesn't appear in the Display Manager then you have to start a Wayland session from the command line. Lastly, there is a 'Wayland Desktop Shell' module in Enlightenment that I would guess needs to be loaded before using Wayland in a session. There are some notes at enlightenment.org about Wayland and nVidia potentially not playing nice together as well.

I got Wayland working on my big rig running unstable that has an nVidia card which entailed installing the 565.77 version drivers. Might test E there.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:22 am**

I can see its Wayland session in KDE's sddm, but haven't tested it yet.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:48 pm**

It's ALIVE!!!

Thanks @Stevo and @timkb4cq!

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:51 am**

Here also! Great!

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:46 pm**

Let us know when you think it will be ready to move into main, and everyone gets the upgrade...

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:05 pm**

Stevo wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:46 pm Let us know when you think it will be ready to move into main, and everyone gets the upgrade...

Still doing some testing here, there are some subtle changes and the new external Places module segfaults with 0.27 (if you don't use AVL or don't use the module this doesn't matter). I don't really code and EFL code is extremely complex but I actually have one of the Bodhi Linux devs looking into a fix for Places so hopefully it will get fixed in the next few days and then work for any and all MX E Users. I'm also getting the old and broken Weather Forecast module looked at but I'm quitting after that, there are dozens of unmaintained modules bit rotting in Enlightenment's GIT Repo and most of them are pretty subtle and Conkii handle the tasks more gracefully..

I will say the Moksha Bodhi Linux guys are much more err... uhm... 'accommodating' than upstream E... I think an experimental Moksha/MX hybrid ISO is going back on the test bench this winter!

Posted: **Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:46 am**

AVLinux wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:05 pm
I will say the Moksha Bodhi Linux guys are much more err... uhm... 'accommodating' than upstream E... I think an experimental Moksha/MX hybrid ISO is going back on the test bench this winter!

There are instructions for installing latest Moksha on Debian Bookworm on this page. It's a link to a script. Apparently Enlightenment can't be installed at the same time.
https://www.bodhilinux.com/moksha-desktop/

Posted: **Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:40 am**

Hello, everyone
FYI: e17 0.27.0-1 MIGRATED to testing

The status of the e17 source package
in Debian's testing distribution has changed.

Previous version: 0.26.0-4
Current version: 0.27.0-1

https://alioth-lists.debian.net/piperm ... 4521.html

Posted: **Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:25 am**

dreamer wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:46 am
AVLinux wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:05 pm
I will say the Moksha Bodhi Linux guys are much more err... uhm... 'accommodating' than upstream E... I think an experimental Moksha/MX hybrid ISO is going back on the test bench this winter!
There are instructions for installing latest Moksha on Debian Bookworm on this page. It's a link to a script. Apparently Enlightenment can't be installed at the same time.
https://www.bodhilinux.com/moksha-desktop/

Yes, I actually did that exact thing about a year ago. There were some minor tangles between MX and Bodhi Repos and systemd was required which made it a bit tricky with MX Snapshot at the time but that's not an obstacle anymore.. The only other thing was getting PipeWire working wasn't possible because Moksha had a hard depend on PulseAudio, hopefully that has changed too..

Moksha is a bit stuck in time with the 'pre-flat' E-17 looks but they have also done a tremendous job with fixing bugs and adding new features. It's even lighter than E!

Hmmm, seems I lied I just dug this screenie up from my experiments and it appears PipeWire was a go!

https://bandshed.net/images/screenshots ... _45_27.png

Posted: **Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:48 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:25 am
Yes, I actually did that exact thing about a year ago. There were some minor tangles between MX and Bodhi Repos and systemd was required which made it a bit tricky with MX Snapshot at the time but that's not an obstacle anymore.. The only other thing was getting PipeWire working wasn't possible because Moksha had a hard depend on PulseAudio, hopefully that has changed too..

Moksha is a bit stuck in time with the 'pre-flat' E-17 looks but they have also done a tremendous job with fixing bugs and adding new features. It's even lighter than E!

Hmmm, seems I lied I just dug this screenie up from my experiments and it appears PipeWire was a go!

https://bandshed.net/images/screenshots ... _45_27.png

I like your Moksha screenshots - this and the previous one you posted. Never been a huge fan of flat themes although your Enlightenment screenshots looked fine and especially scaling looked superb. Regarding systemd I started using MX Linux many years ago because of SysVinit. I'm still a fan of it or rather the Unix philosophy - I don't really know how SysVinit scripts work in practice. Systemd works well these days for regular desktop use and I prefer it simply because it has become so entrenched that some desktop applications don't work without it.

Posted: **Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:29 am**

Stevo wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:46 pm Let us know when you think it will be ready to move into main, and everyone gets the upgrade...

I'm having strange issues with my web browsers Vivaldi and Firefox and consider to revert to Enlightenment 0.25 .

So I do not recommend to do the upgrade.

Posted: **Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:52 am**

seriousness wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:29 am
Stevo wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:46 pm Let us know when you think it will be ready to move into main, and everyone gets the upgrade...
I'm having strange issues with my web browsers Vivaldi and Firefox and consider to revert to Enlightenment 0.25 .

So I do not recommend to do the upgrade.

Well, we don't know what these strange issues are, or if they are a consequence of the upgrade, but go ahead and revert, and let us know what happens.

Posted: **Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:53 am**

seriousness wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:29 am
Stevo wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:46 pm Let us know when you think it will be ready to move into main, and everyone gets the upgrade...
I'm having strange issues with my web browsers Vivaldi and Firefox and consider to revert to Enlightenment 0.25 .

So I do not recommend to do the upgrade.

Please explain with some detail what the issues are? I'm using FF on an upgraded system here and at first the window sizing seemed a bit weird but it seems to have settled down. We need some details

Posted: **Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:37 pm**

@Stevo @timkb4cq

In my experience so far..

I'm not having significant issues with Enlightenment 0.27/EFL 1.28 but I've had a couple of crashes and Firefox wanted to make it's window bigger than the screen at first and to be honest the improvements/additions in 0.27 are VERY subtle. If you didn't follow the Enlightenment GIT commits I think you'd be hard pressed as a User to identify what is new..

For that reason and because I'm very much a "let sleeping dogs lie" type. I think E 0.25.4 we have in MX Main is so dependable (lol, in adjusted Enlightenment context) and since AVL is essentially a production system my little tiny opinion would be to keep E 0.27 in MX Test for those who want to seek it out and leave the 'known devil' of 0.25.4 in MX Main..

I'd sure like to hear from more people though, please share your feedback if you've updated.

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