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Re: Debian kernel updates - why so infrequent?
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:50 am
by pbear
oops wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:31 am
The stupid and potential loss of time and energy for almost nothing.
The primary function of the kernel is the interface between operating system and hardware. Testing how well it does that job isn't nothing. It's already been explained that's why Debian takes longer to turn around kernel updates. I see lots of threads on Ubuntu and Mint forums about kernel upgrades creating problems. On Debian and MX? Not so much.
CharlesV wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:19 amIf you really want to know more ...
Spent ten minutes. Found confirmation of bugs, nothing about exploits. Notice I never said it doesn't or can't happen. Risk is about probability, though, and risk management almost always entails a cost.
Re: Debian kernel updates - why so infrequent?
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:12 am
by oops
... Right, The main function of the kernel is the interface between the operating system and the hardware. It must also not untimely disturb the end user (and the packager) with untimely updates.
Re: Debian kernel updates - why so infrequent?
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:46 pm
by CharlesV
pbear wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:50 am
oops wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:31 am
The stupid and potential loss of time and energy for almost nothing.
The primary function of the kernel is the interface between operating system and hardware. Testing how well it does that job isn't nothing. It's already been explained that's why Debian takes longer to turn around kernel updates. I see lots of threads on Ubuntu and Mint forums about kernel upgrades creating problems. On Debian and MX? Not so much.
CharlesV wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:19 amIf you really want to know more ...
Spent ten minutes. Found confirmation of bugs, nothing about exploits. Notice I never said it doesn't or can't happen. Risk is about probability, though, and risk management almost always entails a cost.
The link that I posted ... IS about "Known Exploited Vulnerabilities" ... and it states
"CISA maintains the authoritative source of vulnerabilities that have been exploited in the wild"
Not sure what more you need for confirmation.. that catalog ARE exploited issues.
Re: Debian kernel updates - why so infrequent?
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:23 pm
by pbear
CharlesV wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:46 pm
Not sure what more you need for confirmation.. that catalog ARE exploited issues.
Actually, I found the website so painful to use as to be worthless. With no assurance it would be topical, as the point under discussion was kernel exploits, not exploits generally. What I spent some time searching were the two bugs you mentioned (PwnKit and DIrty Pipe). Anyhoo, the thread has turned into Argument Clinic. I'm gonna find something else to do.