MX Linux Forum

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:15 am**

My ISP just upgraded me from 200Mbps to 400Mpbs for 30% less cost per month. I'm hitting top download speed of 479Mbps now. It seems like more speed than I can find a use for - when I go to my aunt's house with her 60Mbps I can't really tell a difference. Upload speed is only 23Mbps, but that's also double what I used to get.

How does this compare to people in other parts of the world? I'm in Texas.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:32 am**

Here in rural England I'm lucky to get 55 Mbps. That's on FTTC, which is a copper/fibre hybrid. I'm quite envious -- but as you say, it's fast enough for most things.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:36 am**

I have what is considered in the UK a fairly fast cable connection - 200Mbps down, 20Mbps up. Ping is usually in single figures; pity I'm not a gamer! I can pay an extra 30UKP/month and get 630Mbps, but that would be completely over the top for my needs.

What is more important to me is consistency. In the hundreds of times I have tested, I always get 200Mbps minimum. Neighbours connecting via the phone line can get 40 - 60 Mbps one time, then 20Mbps the next time they test.

Chris

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:46 am**

chrispop99 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:36 am I have what is considered in the UK a fairly fast cable connection - 200Mbps down, 20Mbps up. Ping is usually in single figures; pity I'm not a gamer! I can pay an extra 30UKP/month and get 630Mbps, but that would be completely over the top for my needs.

What is more important to me is consistency. In the hundreds of times I have tested, I always get 200Mbps minimum. Neighbours connecting via the phone line can get 40 - 60 Mbps one time, then 20Mbps the next time they test.

Chris

Yeah, I wouldn't pay extra for this speed increase, but they dropped my bill by $25 a month so I'm not complaining. Ping in single figures - I hardly ever see that, you would probably do really well at Call of Duty.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:06 am**

I'm in Toronto, Canada and I pay Rogers $200 / mo. for TV, unlimited internet, home phone, and cell phone (talk and text only). My download speed over wifi is 277 Mbps and my upload is 22 Mbps. My ping is 9 ms.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:32 am**

j2mcgreg wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:06 am I'm in Toronto, Canada and I pay Rogers $200 / mo. for TV, unlimited internet, home phone, and cell phone (talk and text only). My download speed over wifi is 277 Mbps and my upload is 22 Mbps. My ping is 9 ms.

277 Mbps over wifi seems like a lot. I'm usually hitting about 140Mbps, but I'm assuming that my laptop's wifi card is where the limitation is, because my wifi router can handle higher speeds.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:34 am**

mine is marketed as 500 up and 500 down and costs 590 baht a month (15 dollars?)

i actually get speeds closer to 320 up and down ,...which is great since i literally live in the middle of a rice paddy far from civilization ... in real terms it means i can download a 4 gig movie at about 30 MB/s ..... and is finished before i click to search for another one

the upload speed is really useful since i share my movie collection on a plex server with a few people

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:43 am**

junoluna wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:34 am mine is marketed as 500 up and 500 down and costs 590 baht a month (15 dollars?)

i actually get speeds closer to 320 up and down ,...which is great since i literally live in the middle of a rice paddy far from civilization ... in real terms it means i can download a 4 gig movie at about 30 MB/s ..... and is finished before i click to search for another one

the upload speed is really useful since i share my movie collection on a plex server with a few people

320 up is amazing. I don't know about the rest of America, but in Texas this is the first I've ever gotten above about 15 Mbps up. And the fact that you are paying less than a third of what I am is enviable.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:37 am**

In my case, the "cable distributor/agent" runs the last-mile fiber infrastructure and offers choice of 3 ISPs on the same GPON - by means of different local static IP ranges or VLAN. One can change ISP after a month finishes by letting them know. They aggregate various local GPONs to their level 2 switch and then on to the core infrastructure.

I currently have upto 60Mbps plan for about US$ 8/month. Acceptable service quality and speeds, though goes into dead mode for some minutes of the day (maybe work on their core routers or reboot their switches,etc. ?)

These days, most of the streaming services like youtube, netflix, amazon prime etc. or even whatsapp, facebook, google have local caching/data infrastructure here in India, so local routes and caching are used and it can saturate the pipe. However, connections to other different or isolated parts of the world (from my perspective) are quite slow (and it's a norm for international bandwidth which is quite costly). Upload speeds are near as promised and way better than DL avg speed. (as people tend to upload less than download)

As for MX repo with best DL speed from here, I find DotSRC Denmark often peaking at 7MBps or 56Mbps which beats any other mirror on MX repo list. Maybe they have a very good route to the EU/Denmark!

From tomorrow - 1st. April, I'd be changing over to another ISP and post my results.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:01 am**

I live in a semi-rural area on the east coast of the USA, but only three miles from a small city. For the roughly seven years I have lived here, I have been stuck with 10Mbps/0.8Mbps DSL (almost $80 a month for several years until they got tired of me complaining to them about it and reduced it to $35 a month). 50Mbps/5Mbps cable internet was available, but only if I paid the cable company almost a grand to run their equipment a hundred feet closer.

Well, a few months ago I got fed up waiting for Starlink so began trying to see what other options there may have been. I found out that T-Mobile is offering home internet (5g) at my location ($55 a month). Well, got the new router about a month ago and dang it's fast. I've seen about 100Mbps down and 50Mbps up. Sometimes it's faster, sometimes it's slower. For some, that speed is "so so", but for me, it's a huge upgrade. I recently downloaded the MX ISO in under three minutes. Unheard of for me.

That all being said, it seems that there is never really "too much speed" when it comes to internet. Some people may say "what in the world do you want with so much bandwidth?", I say that the higher the speed, the less time you will spend waiting. The difference between 10Mbps and 100Mbps is huge. Page load speeds are almost instant now regardless of page size. Video buffering just doesn't happen anymore. Of course, I remember the days of 28kbps.... a lot has changed in my lifetime, and a lot will continue to change.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:20 am**

Well, a few months ago I got fed up waiting for Starlink

You think that'd be cheap and available real soon!? I think not, that's just a case like tesla.

Here's a review:
https://www.cnet.com/home/home-internet ... ed-it-out/

Yes, starting from the 56k modem we had (that disconnected 6 times an hour and barely offered 36k real speed, high costs) to ADSL/VDSL (I was the first one to get it in my locality, it was costly and rain/storms devastated it), then on, now to fiber (which seems cheap and standardized). We have had world's cheapest 4G mobile broadband in India, inching towards 5G now. I guess 10Gig Fiber will be the norm in the next 5 years for fixed broadband.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:26 am**

I have a hybrid fibre/copper connection - the last 1/2 mile is overhead copper. I'm getting a reliable 38Mbps download and 8.4Mbps upload. The download often peaks above 40. This all seems fast to me, but then I started with a 300/75 bps modem. No good for today's colourful world but I managed to do online banking with it.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:30 am**

but then I started with a 300/75 bps modem. No good for today's colourful world but I managed to do online banking with it.

I'd be very keen to know the interface to it... over the terminal or very simple webpages?

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:32 am**

@agnivo007 - I think $8 a month would be impossible in America. I was used to paying about 10X that much, and would love to have an $8 option

@MCreaves - $80 for 10Mbps/0.8Mbps - that's highway robbery. As far as speed making a noticeable difference, I agree that going from 10Mbps to 100Mbps is a huge difference maker. But going from 100Mbps to 400Mbps probably hasn't made a difference for me since most servers aren't uploading at anywhere close to that rate. I think the 400Mbps is really being packaged for homes where everything including TVs and video games and doorbells and refrigeraters are all on the wifi. I don't run my house that way, so probably won't ever get the benefit, but at $50 a month that's the new "basic" plan for my neighborhood now.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:39 am**

andyprough wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:32 am @agnivo007 - I think $8 a month would be impossible in America. I was used to about paying 10X that much, and would love to have an $8 option

@MCreaves - $80 for 10Mbps/0.8Mbps - that's highway robbery. As far as speed making a noticeable difference, I agree that going from 10Mbps to 100Mbps is a huge difference maker. But going from 100Mbps to 400Mbps probably hasn't made a difference for me since most servers aren't uploading at anywhere close to that rate. I think the 400Mbps is really being packaged for homes where everything including TVs and video games and doorbells and refrigeraters are all on the wifi. I don't run my house that way, so probably won't ever get the benefit, but at $50 a month that's the new "basic" plan for my neighborhood now.

Personally, if I have more funds to play with, I would totally "automate" my home. Over the years I have toyed with some ideas but the equipment is just too costly still to make everything like I want, but I can totally see how such homes would benefit from higher speeds. I know my security cameras really benefited from the upgrade in upload speed. Instead of quickly getting behind in the phone app, they remain synced and streaming is smooth. I can imagine someone with a 8+ camera system would use a lot of bandwidth if they were checking all the cameras. My work (small business) has 16 cameras and the app lets you stream all at once to have an overview.

As for highway robbery, yes. They charged what they wanted because they knew my options were limited. Closer to the city they were charging people about $40 a month for 30Mbps down (not sure up speed). Now they are getting paid back because they lost me as a customer and a lot of people are leaving their company due to the newer, better, and cheaper options in the area.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:39 am**

Gaer Boy wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:26 am I have a hybrid fibre/copper connection - the last 1/2 mile is overhead copper. I'm getting a reliable 38Mbps download and 8.4Mbps upload. The download often peaks above 40. This all seems fast to me, but then I started with a 300/75 bps modem. No good for today's colourful world but I managed to do online banking with it.

I started many years ago with a 2400 baud modem (I believe that was 9600bps). Internet involved phoning into a local server and hoping they had connections you could jump on out to the broader world, and it was all terminal based. That's pretty funny that you were able to do internet banking with your modem - I'm assuming the communication was flowing in plain text? Today's hackers would have a field day emptying out bank accounts.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:50 pm**

agnivo007 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:30 am I'd be very keen to know the interface to it... over the terminal or very simple webpages?

andyprough wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:39 am That's pretty funny that you were able to do internet banking with your modem - I'm assuming the communication was flowing in plain text? Today's hackers would have a field day emptying out bank accounts.

This was 1986 and I was still using DOS, so it was very much terminal-based. You didn't actually need a computer - just a TV and a phone connection. Bank of Scotland were technically very forward-looking, the first UK bank to computerise accounts. Brief summary here: https://www.bankofscotland.co.uk/helpce ... itage.html. This wasn't my main account - I opened it specially to try out this amazing service, and it worked well enough.

The 300/75 bps was also used for Prestel, a blocky text-based information service. My Pace modem did a lot of work for a number of years.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:06 pm**

Read that page, now how did they do that? (hookup TV to a phone, when people used to hookup a terrestrial antenna or even a VCP/VCR)
Did they have analog-phone connected Settop boxes back in 1985 and used phone-dial keys for input? Or just a rudimentary IVRS over analog phone service? I don't get the math...

EDIT: Now I understand some equations of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestel

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:29 pm**

andyprough wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:32 am I think $8 a month would be impossible in America.

The US’s total government requirements for doing business is too high to support anything under about $30-50/month. At least half of the cost to the US consumer goes to pay for direct and indirect taxes and to pay to comply with other government regulations.

MCreaves wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:01 am T-Mobile is offering home internet (5g) at my location ($55 a month). I've seen about 100Mbps down and 50Mbps up. Sometimes it's faster, sometimes it's slower.

We pay about $150 to AT&T for a ‘bundle’ that has 100Mbps Up/Down and are looking to replace it with T-Mobile’s 5g internet. T-Mobile is saying $50/month here. Did they quote you $55, or is the other $5 buried in the fine print?

I’d also like to ask is T-Mobile reliable? Have you had any service outages? Like most I’d guess, anything above 50Mbps (6.25MB/s) is basically transparent to my day-to-day needs. Sure if I’m dropping a 75GB client website tarball, a higher speed is noticeable, but ‘eh, that’s what rsync is for...

Thanks,
Michael

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:08 pm**

Michael-IDA wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:29 pm
andyprough wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:32 am I think $8 a month would be impossible in America.
The US’s total government requirements for doing business is too high to support anything under about $30-50/month. At least half of the cost to the US consumer goes to pay for direct and indirect taxes and to pay to comply with other government regulations.

MCreaves wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:01 am T-Mobile is offering home internet (5g) at my location ($55 a month). I've seen about 100Mbps down and 50Mbps up. Sometimes it's faster, sometimes it's slower.
We pay about $150 to AT&T for a ‘bundle’ that has 100Mbps Up/Down and are looking to replace it with T-Mobile’s 5g internet. T-Mobile is saying $50/month here. Did they quote you $55, or is the other $5 buried in the fine print?

I’d also like to ask is T-Mobile reliable? Have you had any service outages? Like most I’d guess, anything above 50Mbps (6.25MB/s) is basically transparent to my day-to-day needs. Sure if I’m dropping a 75GB client website tarball, a higher speed is noticeable, but ‘eh, that’s what rsync is for...

Thanks,
Michael

When I first checked my address to see if my address was serviced, it was $55 a month. After I ordered service, I noticed the website was changed to say $60 a month. However, with autopay, they took $5 off a month so now I'm paying $50 a month for it. The signal quality where I live is "weak" according to their router, so sometimes it flakes a little, but it generally works well thus far.

Some drawbacks I have found: the router "admin" page, if you can call it that, is a joke. You can do almost nothing. You can set the wifi password, admin password, change some wifi settings, and that's about it. The router has no external antenna port and the display on it is on the top, which is a little awkward since you will probably have to physically put the router up high in a room to get a decent enough signal. Also, if you don't have an actual T-Mobile branded phone number, you will not be able to check up on order status or log in (create an account with them) until the modem arrives and they email you the phone number of the modem. Also, at least right now, it seems that their customer support for the home internet has an hour or two wait. But, once you do get through, the reps are actually decent and you can actually understand them. Another drawback, it seems the wifi signal from the router is kind of weak compared to other routers I have used. It seems their modem/router combo has some design flaws and firmware issues, but I also presume they will eventually get all of that sorted out. It's also good to keep in mind that although there is no upfront cost, you better make sure you will send the equipment back if you leave them because they will charge you for it if you don't (they say). One final drawback is how long it takes to get to the full speed. It can take a few seconds from the start of a download until you get to the full speed. Not a problem for a big download, but can be an issue with large/heavy websites. If a website seems to stop loaded, reload it. There is a known firmware issue where if you disconnect the power, the whole modem is reset despite there being a battery in it. It's supposedly being worked on.

Some good stuff I have noticed: Even with a weak signal, the speeds are quite nice. The price is fair. They claim no data caps, so no intentional slowdowns. I couldn't get them to tell me at what point bandwidth usage would be considered "abusive", but it seems to be beyond 400GB a month from how the rep acted. In my first month, I used less than 100GB. The customer service reps are actually decent. The router is packaged well and is pretty unobtrusive. It comes pretty much ready to go. Unbox it, plug it in, get the app they say to get, and configure it (basically passwords).

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:03 pm**

Here in the slow backward USA...

AT&T Uverse
about 50$/month
I get consistent 15MB/s down and 2-3 MB/s upload.

Comcast cable is available faster, but too lazy to change everything.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:26 pm**

MCreaves wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:08 pmWhen I first checked my address to see if my address was serviced, it was $55 a month. After I ordered service, I noticed the website was changed to say $60 a month. However, with autopay, they took $5 off a month so now I'm paying $50 a month for it. The signal quality where I live is "weak" according to their router, so sometimes it flakes a little, but it generally works well thus far.

Some drawbacks I have found: the router "admin" page, if you can call it that, is a joke. You can do almost nothing. You can set the wifi password, admin password, change some wifi settings, and that's about it. The router has no external antenna port and the display on it is on the top, which is a little awkward since you will probably have to physically put the router up high in a room to get a decent enough signal. Also, if you don't have an actual T-Mobile branded phone number, you will not be able to check up on order status or log in (create an account with them) until the modem arrives and they email you the phone number of the modem. Also, at least right now, it seems that their customer support for the home internet has an hour or two wait. But, once you do get through, the reps are actually decent and you can actually understand them. Another drawback, it seems the wifi signal from the router is kind of weak compared to other routers I have used. It seems their modem/router combo has some design flaws and firmware issues, but I also presume they will eventually get all of that sorted out. It's also good to keep in mind that although there is no upfront cost, you better make sure you will send the equipment back if you leave them because they will charge you for it if you don't (they say). One final drawback is how long it takes to get to the full speed. It can take a few seconds from the start of a download until you get to the full speed. Not a problem for a big download, but can be an issue with large/heavy websites. If a website seems to stop loaded, reload it. There is a known firmware issue where if you disconnect the power, the whole modem is reset despite there being a battery in it. It's supposedly being worked on.

Some good stuff I have noticed: Even with a weak signal, the speeds are quite nice. The price is fair. They claim no data caps, so no intentional slowdowns. I couldn't get them to tell me at what point bandwidth usage would be considered "abusive", but it seems to be beyond 400GB a month from how the rep acted. In my first month, I used less than 100GB. The customer service reps are actually decent. The router is packaged well and is pretty unobtrusive. It comes pretty much ready to go. Unbox it, plug it in, get the app they say to get, and configure it (basically passwords).

Sounds like a pretty good deal. Previously I had heard about "wifi" from cell phone companies that was costing more money for a very limited amount of data per month, like 8GB. If this T-mobile offering really works well, it could be a game-changer for people that are a little bit off the grid.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:27 pm**

entropyfoe wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:03 pm Here in the slow backward USA...

AT&T Uverse
about 50$/month
I get consistent 15MB/s down and 2-3 MB/s upload.

Comcast cable is available faster, but too lazy to change everything.

I had AT&T Uverse a few years ago. Sounds like they haven't increased their speeds. The good thing is I recall they were easier to deal with than the cable companies.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:48 pm**

MCreaves wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:08 pm I couldn't get them to tell me at what point bandwidth usage would be considered "abusive", but it seems to be beyond 400GB a month from how the rep acted.

So, not for us... Per the AT&T router we're using about 19TB usage per month (19GB makes no sense, as overnight server backup downloads are 5+GB/day, so I'll guess I computed that right). AT&T pumps their TV/Movie stuff through the internet connection, but using Netflix/Hulu (etc.) instead won't change that. Now I'm curious just how big TV is per hour... Seeding MX/TDE/etc. ISOs can't be using that much bandwidth??

Very many thanks for the heads up! Now I won't have to figure out how to run a cat line to the second story

Best,
Michael

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:55 pm**

MCreaves wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:08 pm I couldn't get them to tell me at what point bandwidth usage would be considered "abusive", but it seems to be beyond 400GB a month from how the rep acted.

So, not for us... Per the AT&T router we're using about 19TB usage per month (19GB makes no sense, as overnight server backup downloads are 5+GB/day, so I'll guess I computed that right). AT&T pumps their TV/Movie stuff through the internet connection, but using Netflix/Hulu (etc.) instead won't change that. Now I'm curious just how big TV is per hour... Seeding MX/TDE/etc. ISOs can't be using that much bandwidth??

Very many thanks for the heads up! Now I won't have to figure out how to run a cat line to the second story

Edit:

entropyfoe wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:03 pm AT&T Uverse
about 50$/month
I get consistent 15MB/s down and 2-3 MB/s upload.

Comcast cable is available faster, but too lazy to change everything.

Ah, good thought, just drop the 'bundle' and go straight internet...

New Customer:

Code: Select all

$35 /mo. for 12 mos. plus taxes & equip. fee
$10/mo. equip. fee applies
Unlimited internet data included
100Mbps equal upload and download speeds

Edit:
If you want HBO max (I have no idea what that is), then 1Gbps @~$70/month is the better deal. [HBO Max™ included—a $14.99/mo. value7]

As reference, our current 100Mbps caps at (a basically sustained) 120Mbps.

Best,
Michael

MX Linux Forum

How fast is fast internet speed?

How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?

Re: How fast is fast internet speed?