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Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:16 am**

I can't decide whether I'd prefer the delayed, jerky scrolling in Firefox, or Chrome not displaying pages correctly since the last update. Since Chrome scrolls fine and Firefox displays pages correctly, I would guess it's not my computer...especially since there seems to be a lot of people with the same problem on the Chrome forum. I hope Google fixes the problem soon, and I have no idea why Firefox scrolls badly.

Sorry, I just had to vent for a minute...

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:21 am**

I have and use both. Chrome is my go to, and if I find a page not rendering properly I fire up FF. And even at times Qupzilla does better on some pages than either of the other two. Point is, one does not have to depend on one browser.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:25 am**

What do you mean by 'jerky scrolling' in FF?

Is it scrolling 3 lines per click of the mouse wheel? If so, perhaps smooth scrolling is not turned on:

Edit>Preferences>Advanced>Browsing, tick smooth scrolling.

Chris

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:30 am**

leo wrote:I can't decide whether I'd prefer the delayed, jerky scrolling in Firefox, or Chrome not displaying pages correctly

Have you tried palemoon? - mike

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:44 pm**

No, I haven't tried palemoon...I might have to.

By delayed, jerky scrolling I mean I turn the scroll wheel, and in a few seconds it will jump down the page...a few lines at a time. And yes, smooth scrolling is checked. I even tried unchecking smooth scrolling, closing the browser, opening it and re-checking smooth scrolling...no difference...

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:42 pm**

Re: Firefox

Try resetting the FF profile and see if the jerky scrolling goes away. Rename ~/.mozilla/Firefox to ~/.mozilla/Firefoxbak and restart Firefox. That will create a brand new profile. If the jerkiness goes away, then it's something in the old profile that caused it -- maybe it's a misbehaving add-on or maybe the profile itself is corrupted. If it's an add-on, it might be possible to find out which one by reinstalling each add-on one at a time. Of course, you'll have to restore your other settings, bookmarks, etc. also. FEBE is a great tool for restoring the settings from the old profile.

If the jerkiness persists with a new profile, then you can restore the original profile by renaming ~/.mozilla/Firefoxbak to ~/.mozilla/Firefox.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:05 pm**

Yeah, if anything the jerky scrolling got worse...

Posted: **Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:12 am**

Checking or un-checking hardware acceleration can cause this also. (It's in Preferences/Advanced.)

Posted: **Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:49 am**

Ooh...un-checking hardware acceleration made it worse...

Posted: **Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:51 am**

I've had scrolling become jerky once when a script is running in the background on Firefox. The remedy is to close and re-open Firefox. It doesn't seem like this is your problem, but you might try the NoScript add-on just to make sure.

Did you recently "upgrade" FF to a newer version? Any other changes to your system? Did you try a different mouse?

Re: Smooth Scrolling add-on

I've been using the "Yet Another Smooth Scrolling" FF add-on for a long time, and it really works for me. You can adjust the Step Size, Smoothness (Forepart), Smoothness, and Acceleration Sensitivity and save those settings to three different profiles that you can change on the fly to suit your needs. This add-on makes scrolling in Firefox incredibly smooth on my computer, and it works whether smooth scrolling is enabled or disabled in Firefox.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... scrolling/

Posted: **Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:16 am**

Sorry, didn't make a difference. I think I'll just stick with Chrome and see if the next update fixes the display problem...

In the meantime, I might give palemoon a try...

Posted: **Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:21 am**

Leo wrote:Sorry, didn't make a difference. I think I'll just stick with Chrome and see if the next update fixes the display problem...

In the meantime, I might give palemoon a try...

By the way Google Chrome also has a scroll smoothing addon "Chromium Wheel Smooth Scrolling".

Posted: **Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:27 am**

*sigh* palemoon didn't make any difference in the scrolling...

BTW...Chrome scrolls fine, but thanks...

Posted: **Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:55 am**

I hate smooth scrolling, it blurs everything, I always turn it off. And I use Page Down button more often than the mouse wheel.

Posted: **Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:28 pm**

Leo,

Check your CPU utilization during scrolling in FF--does one core max out at 100% while the other core(s) is/are unused?

In my experience, this is how FF and IceWeasel perform in ALL Linux distros. It is especially noticeable in media-heavy pages like Facebook and really annoying. Chrome tends to use multiple CPU cores which smooths out this scrolling issue for me.

I still prefer FF/IceWeasel because of the extension ecosystem, but I keep Chrome installed for specific use cases where the scrolling gets too annoying.

Posted: **Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:41 am**

Leo wrote:*sigh* palemoon didn't make any difference in the scrolling...

That might be expected. Both IceWeasel and Pale Moon have been forked from Firefox
so that whatever in the system/settings is causing the FF jerkiness, the two children
may well have inherited it. BTW, am using Pale Moon, with scrolling set for smooth,
and have no problems with jerks or other erratic behaviour.

Posted: **Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:08 am**

As palemoon was sugested in this topic I would try also Seamonkey, installed in the old fashioned way (via usr/local and put a ref. in PATH). Later I saw it's also in repos but i'm used that way.

If that doesn't work also check the mouse driver in xorg.conf.

For an 2 buttons and 1 wheel with 1 press button I modified it like so:

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Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier   "Mouse0"
	Driver   "mouse"
	Option   "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
	Option   "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
	Option   "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Funny thing, the old PS2 mouse broken and only now I obseved that the new USB-mouse (same desing for buttons and wheel) work with the old settings. Practically I took out axes 6 & 7 and change the protocol to ImPS/2.

Maybe this will solve your scrolling.

Edit: For USB mouse you also need to change 1 line in Section "ServerLayout" to

InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"

Accidentally I did that some time ago in order to avoid problems with an 12 buttons / 6 axes USB joystick.

Posted: **Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:46 am**

newkansan, I only have 1 core (Athlon 64)...and yes, it's maxed when I scroll. I wish I could afford a newer machine, but being on a fixed income, I'd rather eat...

Posted: **Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:16 am**

Leo wrote:newkansan, I only have 1 core (Athlon 64)...and yes, it's maxed when I scroll. I wish I could afford a newer machine, but being on a fixed income, I'd rather eat...

Could be you just need some more swap space to let it work better.
If you can't increase your swap partition (& can't create a new swap partition) you can still create & use a swap file.

Posted: **Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:00 pm**

Leo wrote:newkansan, I only have 1 core (Athlon 64)...and yes, it's maxed when I scroll. I wish I could afford a newer machine, but being on a fixed income, I'd rather eat...

Then sadly, I think your best bet is to have both FF and Chrome. Use FF on sites that don't choke with it, and Chrome for everything else. :(

Posted: **Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:10 pm**

Well, this thread made me decide to go ahead and install google-chrome on this I5 laptop running AntiX 15 Full. I run Iceweasel instead of Firefox on here.

I also have a

only have 1 core]

Desktop machines also. I Never experience Leos problem on those but I use the down arrow key also mostly.

Anyhows. I went with the 32 bit deb from https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/d ... index.html for debian/ubuntu and used gdebi to install it.

after that I did this next.

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harry@biker:~
$ wget -q -O - https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add -
OK
harry@biker:~

My repos now say

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$ inxi -r
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
           deb http://antix.daveserver.info/jessie jessie main nosystemd
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
           deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
           deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
           deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
harry@biker:~

I have no issues doing things this way as I own a Acer C710 Chromebook and a Apple Iphone 5S .
Besides. There is hard copy file on me since I am a life long biker and Uncle Sam knows where to find me at any time and what I am up to since I live on the border. So I do not sweat it.

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harry@biker:~
$ apt-cache policy google-chrome-stable
google-chrome-stable:
  Installed: 46.0.2490.71-1
  Candidate: 46.0.2490.71-1
  Version table:
 *** 46.0.2490.71-1 0
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

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Adobe Flash Player - Version: 19.0.0.207
Shockwave Flash 19.0 r0

@Leo

Can you repost

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inxi -Fxz

so members not familiar with what you have in this thread can see your gear?

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:38 am**

Here ya go...

System: Host: LionsPride Kernel: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.6.3)
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.2 (Gtk 2.24.10)
Distro: MX-14.4-pae Symbiosis 22 March 2015
Machine: System: HP Pavilion 061 product: PJ473AA-ABA M1160N v: 0qq1112RE101SALMO00
Mobo: ASUSTek model: Salmon v: 1.03
Bios: Phoenix v: 3.02 date: 09/02/2004
CPU: Single core AMD Athlon 64 3400+ (-UP-) cache: 1024 KB
flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2) bmips: 3616 speed/max: 1800/2200 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] bus-ID: 01:00.0
Display Server: X.org 1.12.4 driver: nvidia
tty size: 80x25 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio: Card Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 AC'97 Sound Controller
driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: c000 c400 bus-ID: 00:02.7
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae
Network: Card: 3Com 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone]
driver: 3c59x port: e000 bus-ID: 00:09.0
IF: eth0 state: unknown speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives: HDD Total Size: 730.8GB (1.5% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: Maxtor_5T030H3 size: 30.6GB temp: 0C
ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD2000BB size: 200.0GB temp: 29C
ID-3: USB /dev/sdc model: Backup+_BK size: 500.1GB temp: 0C
Partition: ID-1: / size: 12G used: 5.6G (51%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: /home size: 15G used: 2.7G (20%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.12GB used: 0.02GB (1%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 40.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 0.0:
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 160 Uptime: 5 days Memory: 452.7/2023.9MB
Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.7.2
Client: Shell (bash 4.2.371) inxi: 2.2.19

Yes, it's an oldie, but so am I...

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:27 am**

*sigh* Well, the latest Chrome update didn't fix the problem, but I'd rather put up with this than waiting a couple of seconds for it to scroll a few lines...

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:47 pm**

I'd say it's your graphics driver. Screen rendering is all done by that one piece of software and its connections with the hardware. Does your system lock up when you open hardinfo and click on summary? If it does, your graphics driver is definitely in need of attention. The test is not a hard and fast rule, but one that I found to be useful when dealing with older nvidia chipsets.

Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:17 am**

Synaptic says hardinfo is installed, but all I can find is System Profiler and Benchmark. If that's the GUI for hardinfo, it doesn't lock up. I would think if it was the graphics driver, it would effect Firefox, too...which it doesn't. Seems to be a Chrome only problem...

Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:22 am**

If you call hardinfo from terminal you'll get the GUI of System Profiler and Benchmark, so I think it is the same.

Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:40 pm**

@Leo,
Have you tried the the 3.16 kernel?

It runs my 1 GB netbooks a bit cooler
and both FF and Chrome run fine,
though my preference is Chrome.

You may/probably need to update the nvidia driver.

Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:37 pm**

Richard wrote:@Leo,
Have you tried the the 3.16 kernel?

It runs my 1 GB netbooks a bit cooler
and both FF and Chrome run fine,
though my preference is Chrome.

You may/probably need to update the nvidia driver.

His GeForce FX 5500 uses the nvidia legacy 173xx driver which was eol'd almost two years ago, there haven't been any updates.

Now he might post the inxi output again, running it as a regular user instead of root. He ran it as root before and it left out some of the details, so you can't really tell if the driver is installed correctly or not.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:26 am**

'K...

$ inxi -Fnz
System: Host: LionsPride Kernel: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae i686 (32 bit)
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.2 Distro: MX-14.4-pae Symbiosis 22 March 2015
Machine: System: HP Pavilion 061 product: PJ473AA-ABA M1160N v: 0qq1112RE101SALMO00
Mobo: ASUSTek model: Salmon v: 1.03
Bios: Phoenix v: 3.02 date: 09/02/2004
CPU: Single core AMD Athlon 64 3400+ (-UP-) cache: 1024 KB
speed/max: 1800/2200 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA NV34 [GeForce FX 5500]
Display Server: X.Org 1.12.4 driver: nvidia
Resolution: 1280x1024@50.0hz
GLX Renderer: GeForce FX 5500/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
GLX Version: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.39
Audio: Card Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 AC'97 Sound Controller
driver: snd_intel8x0
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae
Network: Card: 3Com 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] driver: 3c59x
IF: eth0 state: unknown speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives: HDD Total Size: 730.8GB (17.4% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: Maxtor_5T030H3 size: 30.6GB
ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD2000BB size: 200.0GB
ID-3: USB /dev/sdc model: Backup+_BK size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 12G used: 5.8G (53%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: /home size: 15G used: 2.7G (20%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.12GB used: 0.04GB (2%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 40.0C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 161 Uptime: 10 days Memory: 477.4/2023.9MB
Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.19

I wish I could get a newer graphics card, or a whole newer computer (a dual core would tickle me pink), but lot rent and food are kinda a priority...
But, I get to see this every time I walk out the door...

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:47 am**

The inxi output looks okay. I was looking for what's shown below. Sometimes with kernel or Xorg updates a symlink will get overwriiten and the renderer part will change to "N/A". When that happens it's easiest to reinstall the driver to fix it. (you don't need to do anything)

GLX Renderer: GeForce FX 5500/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
GLX Version: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.39

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:03 am**

Found this . Not sure if a fix or not for Leo.

Firefox lags while page scrolling?! Here's a solution.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=101579

Posted: **Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:31 am**

After a couple of Chrome updates, the display problem is gone. I thought it was a Chrome problem, and I was right for once. It does happen...

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