MX Linux Forum

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:27 am**

Beta testing is all about the Community's involvement, so we hope to see lots of people posting in this thread.

The Announcement is here:

viewtopic.php?f=131&p=426693#p426693

If reporting a hardware issue, please include the output of

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inxi -F

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Thanks--should be fun!

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:37 am**

I'd like to keep these two topics separate, please:

1) The Users Manual has been revised for Sections 1-3 only. I will post a thread for its review.

2) The conkies in the default collection still need basic revision, and it would be much easier as we head toward Final if we use the existing thread for feedback.

Thanks.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:38 am**

When live or installed on a desktop machine, an ugly yellow Power Manager icon is shown in the Notification Area. This doesn't happen live or installed on a laptop. This seems counter-intuitive. Do we need the Power Manage to show in the NA at all? If so, can we replace the garish icon?

I understood we were going to default the User Image setting in LightDM GTK+ Greeter settings to 'On'?

(The default wallpaper/backgrounds for this release are great; nothing to offend the eye!)

Chris

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:42 am**

an ugly yellow Power Manager icon is shown in the Notification Area

Not here installed on my testing laptop in sig; I just see the usual battery. Maybe on a desktop only?

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:06 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:
an ugly yellow Power Manager icon is shown in the Notification Area
Not here installed on my testing laptop in sig; I just see the usual battery. Maybe on a desktop only?

'This doesn't happen live or installed on a laptop.'

Screenshot.png

Chris

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:11 am**

Why didn't you say so in the first place??!!

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:40 am**

Thanks, you. it would be so kind in beta 3 or end to configure in the initr the write permissions for any user (guest) to the live folder as it was in the mx-15 version.

I boot the iso in live hd with an antix folder in a partition with grub4dos
First of all, Thanks.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:06 am**

I have not had a chance to try this on something yet, but the included browser wasn't mentioned in the announcement...what version of FF? 56 or 57?
Thank You.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:15 am**

azrielle wrote:I have not had a chance to try this on something yet, but the included browser wasn't mentioned in the announcement...what version of FF? 56 or 57?
Thank You.

It is 56. But likely next release will be 57. 57 is available in the test repo.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:51 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:Why didn't you say so in the first place??!!

He did. Hence the quotation marks in his second post.

But afaik any panel icon can be removed by the user if it offends their eyes. Thats why xfce is great.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:54 am**

richb wrote:
azrielle wrote:I have not had a chance to try this on something yet, but the included browser wasn't mentioned in the announcement...what version of FF? 56 or 57?
Thank You.
It is 56. But likely next release will be 57. 57 is available in the test repo.

And hopefully by that time a Firefox addon will be available to hide the titlebar. Not being able to hide the title bar is a fly in the ointment on FF57 for me.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:00 am**

The diagonal line with two arrows at either end in the toolbar puts it full screen hiding titlebar, address bar. everything at the top. Moving your mouse to the screen top brings them back, back down hides them again.

EDIT: Or F11 toggle.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:02 am**

chrispop99 wrote:
Jerry3904 wrote:
an ugly yellow Power Manager icon is shown in the Notification Area
Not here installed on my testing laptop in sig; I just see the usual battery. Maybe on a desktop only?
'This doesn't happen live or installed on a laptop.'

Screenshot.png

Chris

That is actually the default icon from Xfce4-power-manager in the icon set. if you have a battery, you get the charging or discharging icons, which are white.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:23 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:
an ugly yellow Power Manager icon is shown in the Notification Area
Not here installed on my testing laptop in sig; I just see the usual battery. Maybe on a desktop only?

Confirm that the ugly yellow Power Manager is here on my HDD-installed desktop system (see sig).

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:28 am**

Put it in Tracker, something we all have to remember to keep doing

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:42 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:Put it in Tracker, something we all have to remember to keep doing

Done

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:48 am**

Sorry, I meant I put it in Tracker. Wasn't giving an order... (Deleted the one I had put in earlier.)

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:29 am**

Reminded I forgot last Friday's review. Probably best with the work to get b2 out. We will do a review this Friday.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 am**

17b2 is awesome........

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:47 am**

I have been using MX17 beta over the last couple days and love it. I have 2 machines running MX now, one Dell desktop running MX16 and now on this HP laptop MX17 has replaced my Solus system, and that says a lot because I was loving Solus. MX17 has been running flawless so for with no problems to report. I love all the subtle changes you guys have made from 16 to 17. I especially like the addition of the dd live usb creator, and MX-Tweak is a nice touch as well. Great job guys!
HP Pavilion G7
6 GB Memory
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3210M CPU @ 2.50GHz

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:44 am**

Running it in VB so far it works and do look great.
I wonder do where you set the time on the desktop,its 12 hour time now and in whisper 24 hour.
Ok i admit not reading the new manual yet.It do look smooth and handy.
Any thing that need try out by a semi noob = old grumpy user with a memory brrr

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:27 pm**

Hi!
I have been using MX-16 for some time now, but never bothered to join this forum until now. I have one question of MX-17 beta 2. Will there be an upgrade path from MX-17 beta 2 to MX-17 final? I just tested this beta from usb-stick and it appeared to be very nice and functional already.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm**

I'm having a memory leakage problem (I think) with the MX-Conky app (or featherpad??).

Nothing but MX-conky and file manager are opened. When I click on the "edit" button within MX-conky, Featherpad opens the conky script and straight away, the main MX-conky app in the background doesn't get rendered/redrawn well. If I move featherpad away so it's not blocking or overlapping MX-conky, the latter doesn't get redrawn and will still show the bit of featherpad that was overlapping it. Same if I open whisker menu or Thunar and it covers MX-conky. If I close the other app, the "afterimage" of that app remains superimposed on MX-conky.

Once I close featherpad, all is well again.

I didn't turn compositing on so it's a fairly default setup of MX.

System: VB install, and as usual, I gave it 3.5GB RAM (this is my normal testing memory for MX, and should be enough for normal stuff) and 25GB virtual space.

Here's a screenshot of MX-conky with bits of various other windows left behind on it.

Screenshot.png

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:03 pm**

I was having an issue with MX b1 wireless connection with my Panda dongle. I am please to announce that this issue has been solved. My dongle now is connecting. Awesome and thank you all so much. MX is the best. Am very happy.

Now I can install MX and never take it off my machine.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:05 pm**

There will be no upgrade path from MX-16. The debian base has changed from Jessie to Stretch and following the debian upgrade directions will leave you with a badly mangled system given that debian uses systemd as its init system and MX uses sysvinit.
Whether there is even an upgrade path from MX-17 beta2 to Final depends on how many, and what kind of, changes we have to make during beta testing. I certainly wouldn't rely on it.

A clean install is recommended. You can use a utility like Aptik to make tweaking your new install easier. Aptik will back up the list of packages you installed on MX-16 so you can install them automatically on MX-17 (if they're available in the repos).

Which reminds me that I need to build Aptik for MX-17 before release...

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:09 pm**

asqwerth wrote:When I click on the "edit" button within MX-conky, Featherpad opens the conky script and straight away, the main MX-conky app in the background doesn't get rendered/redrawn well. If I move featherpad away so it's not blocking or overlapping MX-conky, the latter doesn't get redrawn and will still show the bit of featherpad that was overlapping it.

This is not a memory leak problem. This is due to blocking the event loop in the app. I've complained about this privately in the past. It makes our programs look amateurish.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm**

Thanks. I have used Aptik before and it's a nice tool. So doing a clean install is not a problem for me... :)

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:27 pm**

Add Antivirus to This release i think no distro is using antivirus in linux if we add one which will be useful to scan pendrives and other small stuff
and is it possible to add our image on whisker menu icon where a person pic is already in default on the whisker menu ?
Is it possible to add Startup screen for mx 17 like lubuntu branding instead of the default text appearing when we boot on the system?
Thanks..

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:36 pm**

Fails to boot to X after Nvidia install.

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$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: desktop System: Gigabyte product: N/A serial: N/A
           Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z77P-D3 v: x.x serial: N/A
           BIOS: American Megatrends v: F8e date: 11/21/2012
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i3-3220 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3300 MHz 1: 3303 MHz 2: 3303 MHz 3: 3303 MHz 4: 3303 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210]
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 )
           drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NVA8 version: 3.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCIE Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 90:2b:34:50:9c:79
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 254.1GB (2.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2500AAKX size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Flash_Disk size: 4.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 6.2G used: 15M (1%) fs: overlay dev: N/A
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C gpu: 47.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 186 Uptime: 5 min Memory: 442.2/7947.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

Note: ddm-mx worked OK on this hardware in b1. Kernel problem perhaps?

Chris

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:37 pm**

is it possible to add our image on whisker menu icon where a person pic is already in default on the whisker menu ?

I don't really understand what you mean. You can add any image to the icon that appears in the Panel, if that's what you mean: right-click > Properties, click on the image and navigate to your heart's content. The image will have to be pretty small to look right, I think, so just fool around until it is good for you.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:41 pm**

I've complained about this privately in the past. It makes our programs look amateurish.

There's a very simple explanation to that, it's because they are written by amateurs. But if professional people or better coders would bother to contribute we'd gladly accept the contributions.

I forgot the add this->hide() and this->show() to hide the GUI while the foreground app is running. I forgot that because at some point we were trying to use xdg-open and that is not blocking so those commands would be irrelevant because this->show() would run immediately after issuing xdg-open command.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:47 pm**

vamsi wrote:Add Antivirus to This release i think no distro is using antivirus in linux if we add one which will be useful to scan pendrives and other small stuff
and is it possible to add our image on whisker menu icon where a person pic is already in default on the whisker menu ?
Is it possible to add Startup screen for mx 17 like lubuntu branding instead of the default text appearing when we boot on the system?
Thanks..

You are asking three things at once; it's generally better to post each item separately.

To answer your first question - it's unlikely that an antivirus program will be added as it's not seen as needed. If you wish to add one for your specialised needs, clamav is available via Synaptic.

To answer your third question, on balance it was decided that the text displayed on boot is useful for bug tracing, so the decision was made to keep that, rather than a splash screen.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:58 pm**

chrispop99 wrote:
vamsi wrote:Add Antivirus to This release i think no distro is using antivirus in linux if we add one which will be useful to scan pendrives and other small stuff
and is it possible to add our image on whisker menu icon where a person pic is already in default on the whisker menu ?
Is it possible to add Startup screen for mx 17 like lubuntu branding instead of the default text appearing when we boot on the system?
Thanks..
You are asking three things at once; it's generally better to post each item separately.

To answer your first question - it's unlikely that an antivirus program will be added as it's not seen as needed. If you wish to add one for your specialised needs, clamav is available via Synaptic.

To answer your third question, on balance it was decided that the text displayed on boot is useful for bug tracing, so the decision was made to keep that, rather than a splash screen.

Chris

Well i was Lazy to ask the questions individually

Okay you answered 2 questions and left 1 question that is it possible to change the default icon as in the image below to whatever pic i like

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:04 pm**

asqwerth wrote:I'm having a memory leakage problem (I think) with the MX-Conky app (or featherpad??). etc .....

Here's a screenshot of MX-conky with bits of various other windows left behind on it.

Screenshot.png

Just a point of interest I do not see this when using compiz or the xfce compositor.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:09 pm**

vamsi wrote:Well i was Lazy to ask the questions individually
Okay you answered 2 questions and left 1 question that is it possible to change the default icon as in the image below to whatever pic i like

I'm currently testing three different things, on three different machines, other than this one, so I'm certainly not lazy!

Search the Forum; from memory there were too many problems caused when a user icon was added to Whisker, but I can't be sure.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:12 pm**

chrispop99 wrote:Fails to boot to X after Nvidia install.

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$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: desktop System: Gigabyte product: N/A serial: N/A
           Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z77P-D3 v: x.x serial: N/A
           BIOS: American Megatrends v: F8e date: 11/21/2012
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i3-3220 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3300 MHz 1: 3303 MHz 2: 3303 MHz 3: 3303 MHz 4: 3303 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210]
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 )
           drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NVA8 version: 3.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCIE Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 90:2b:34:50:9c:79
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 254.1GB (2.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2500AAKX size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Flash_Disk size: 4.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 6.2G used: 15M (1%) fs: overlay dev: N/A
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C gpu: 47.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 186 Uptime: 5 min Memory: 442.2/7947.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

Note: ddm-mx worked OK on this hardware in b1. Kernel problem perhaps?

Chris

Thanks for posting the log

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Building for 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Building initial module for 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (x86_64)

yep, nvidia-driver failed to build. ( I need to trap those kinds of errors and report them.)

You could try the debian-backports option.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:14 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:
is it possible to add our image on whisker menu icon where a person pic is already in default on the whisker menu ?
I don't really understand what you mean. You can add any image to the icon that appears in the Panel, if that's what you mean: right-click > Properties, click on the image and navigate to your heart's content. The image will have to be pretty small to look right, I think, so just fool around until it is good for you.

Hello Jerry

is it possible to change the default icon as in the image below to whatever pic i like that is what i am asking

Thanks..

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:16 pm**

Please remove some of old xfce themes which are ugly and add some more themes like adapta theme by the way new arc theme is awesome

Thanks..

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:17 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote:

chrispop99 wrote:Fails to boot to X after Nvidia install.

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$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: desktop System: Gigabyte product: N/A serial: N/A
           Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z77P-D3 v: x.x serial: N/A
           BIOS: American Megatrends v: F8e date: 11/21/2012
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i3-3220 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3300 MHz 1: 3303 MHz 2: 3303 MHz 3: 3303 MHz 4: 3303 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210]
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 )
           drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NVA8 version: 3.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCIE Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 90:2b:34:50:9c:79
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 254.1GB (2.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2500AAKX size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Flash_Disk size: 4.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 6.2G used: 15M (1%) fs: overlay dev: N/A
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C gpu: 47.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 186 Uptime: 5 min Memory: 442.2/7947.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

Note: ddm-mx worked OK on this hardware in b1. Kernel problem perhaps?

Chris

Thanks for posting the log

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Building for 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Building initial module for 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (x86_64)

yep, nvidia-driver failed to build. ( I need to trap those kinds of errors and report them.)

You could try the debian-backports option.

debian-backports version failed also.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:26 pm**

chrispop99 wrote:Fails to boot to X after Nvidia install.

Chris

I did a fresh install, used the PI to drop the kernel to 4.9, and then used ddm-mx to install the Nvidia driver.

It booted successfully, so I'm guessing it is a problem related to the 4.13 kernel.

Chris

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:44 pm**

chrispop99 wrote:
chrispop99 wrote:Fails to boot to X after Nvidia install.

Chris
I did a fresh install, used the PI to drop the kernel to 4.9, and then used ddm-mx to install the Nvidia driver.

It booted successfully, so I'm guessing it is a problem related to the 4.13 kernel.

Chris

Probably...the classic problem with new kernels...dkms module building.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm**

FWIW, there are patches to let the legacy nvidia 340.102 driver work with kernels up to 4.12: Fully Working Patch for Nvidia Driver 340.102and Linux Kernel 4.12. It might work for 4.13.

For more recent nvidia hardware: NVIDIA 384.59 Driver Is Playing Fine With Linux 4.13.

edit: 420.102 --> 320.102 --> 340.102

edit: Patches for linux 4.13: Patches (2 of them) for NVIDIA Driver 340.104 with Linux Kernel 4.13 and 4.14

It is obviously well past my naptime. Apologies to Adrian.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:08 pm**

Please remove some of old xfce themes which are ugly

Or don't work...

That is a good reminder for us, we have intended to some theme-cleaning in the past but somehow keep forgetting.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:13 pm**

We'll have to see if those legacy drivers are already patched in stretch-backports for the 4.13 kernel there.

I did an install in Virtual Box and upgraded to the 4.13.0-1 (4.13.13) kernel in our test repo from the stock bpo 4.13.0-0, and it's running fine. This is seen as a new package, not an upgrade, so the stock kernel is still installed, but I just installed the newer one via the linux-image and headers metapackages.The guest-dkms modules built automatically. One rather big difference is that the stock bpo kernel throws a TSC error at the start of boot and recommends a firmware upgrade when starting in VBox, but the newer kernel doesn't show this. This might be enough to make this the standard kernel, as well as its extended support for amdgpu and the higher kernel frequency...so let's test the new kernel.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:16 pm**

Stevo wrote:We'll have to see if those legacy drivers are already patched in stretch-backports for the 4.13 kernel there.

I did an install in Virtual Box and upgraded to the 4.13.0-1 (4.13.13) kernel in our test repo from the stock bpo 4.13.0-0, and it's running fine. This is seen as a new package, not an upgrade, so the stock kernel is still installed, but I just installed the newer one via the linux-image and headers metapackages.The guest-dkms modules built automatically. One rather big difference is that the stock bpo kernel throws a TSC error at the start of boot and recommends a firmware upgrade when starting in VBox, but the newer kernel doesn't show this. This might be enough to make this the standard kernel, as well as its extended support for amdgpu and the higher kernel frequency...so let's test the new kernel.

chris tried the debian-backports hosted nvidia installation and they also failed.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:21 pm**

vamsi wrote:Add Antivirus to This release i think no distro is using antivirus in linux if we add one which will be useful to scan pendrives and other small stuff
and is it possible to add our image on whisker menu icon where a person pic is already in default on the whisker menu ?
Is it possible to add Startup screen for mx 17 like lubuntu branding instead of the default text appearing when we boot on the system?
Thanks..

I doubt we'll add any antivirus. Probably not any bootup screen, either--many devs like the text. Maybe we can add plymouth with debian-plymouth-manager to the package installer to make it easy to add and configure, but we don't presently don't have any custom MX plymouth theme, and we have to remember that Ubuntu plymouth themes won't work in MX/Debian, and plymouth just zips by in a second or two if you are booting from an SSD.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:29 pm**

Does virtualbox build ok with the latest kernel used on beta2?

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:30 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote:
Stevo wrote:We'll have to see if those legacy drivers are already patched in stretch-backports for the 4.13 kernel there.

I did an install in Virtual Box and upgraded to the 4.13.0-1 (4.13.13) kernel in our test repo from the stock bpo 4.13.0-0, and it's running fine. This is seen as a new package, not an upgrade, so the stock kernel is still installed, but I just installed the newer one via the linux-image and headers metapackages.The guest-dkms modules built automatically. One rather big difference is that the stock bpo kernel throws a TSC error at the start of boot and recommends a firmware upgrade when starting in VBox, but the newer kernel doesn't show this. This might be enough to make this the standard kernel, as well as its extended support for amdgpu and the higher kernel frequency...so let's test the new kernel.

chris tried the debian-backports hosted nvidia installation and they also failed.

Ahh, OK. I know the main 375.82 Nvidia driver has no problem with the 4.13 kernel.

I just watched this Youtube review, I know you saw it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQWnFTIMDQo&t=1020s

where he adds the freaking upstream Debian repos to get one tiny upgrade that we already have in our test repo. Obviously this guy doesn't like to read the Fine Manual; horse-water-can't make drink problem...

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:31 pm**

Virtualbox 5.1.30 and the 5.2 from Oracle are good with the 4.13 kernel.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:41 pm**

The changelog for the 340xx Nivida drivers in Buster says they are patched for 4.14, so a backport should work. There's also a newer 304xx in Buster that should work, too.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:47 pm**

With the nvidia driver not building on 4.13, I am wondering what my next step should be.

I have the nvidia card listed in the signature. I have the nvidia working on antix17 and MX17 b1. (375.82-1-deb90)

Is my card new enough that I would get a working nvidia driver built during an upgrade with the MX tool?

Or should I wait to try an MX 17 b2 install until some fix is in place.
I can't run the noveau driver, as X locks the mouse and keyboard every half day or so.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:58 pm**

entropyfoe wrote:With the nvidia driver not building on 4.13, I am wondering what my next step should be.

I have the nvidia card listed in the signature. I have the nvidia working on antix17 and MX17 b1. (375.82-1-deb90)

Is my card new enough that I would get a working nvidia driver built during an upgrade with the MX tool?

Or should I wait to try an MX 17 b2 install until some fix is in place.
I can't run the noveau driver, as X locks the mouse and keyboard every half day or so.

stevo says that driver builds, so give it a try.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:18 pm**

I am backporting the 304 and 340 legacy drivers from upstream Debian, which are advertised to build on the newer kernels, including even 4.14. I'll have them in a couple minutes, thanks to pbuilder...

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:42 pm**

Thanks Dolphin_Oracle and stevo...

I will try it tonight and report the results.

As a side note...I have never seen in all my Mepis and MX history such a recent kernel as the basis of the distro.
Now, I am excited, because I need newer to support the Ryzen CPU and motherboard chip sets, so no problem for me.

But I wonder, are we in greater danger of instability with such a new kernel? Does this warrant extra testing in the beta and RC stage than say MX-16 did?

For me MX (and Mepis before) have always been known for stability and robustness. This along with this great community are the strong points of MX and antix.
I hope we do not lose the stability.

My antix 17 is very stable on the 4.10 kernel, now approaching 17 days uptime without crash or lock-up in two trials (8 days with rc1, and now 9 days with the final). I am hoping the 4.13 will be even better, though 4.14 will be a LTS kernel, and Phoronix says 4.15 will be the big increase in capability for Ryzen chips, with working temperature monitoring (finally !) and other goodies. The whole Ryzen thing is still in flux, with a new BIOS (1204) just out a week ago , promising "increase system stability". Since antix seems stable, I will hold off on the newer BIOS for now since Asus offers no change log.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:27 pm**

entropyfoe wrote:As a side note...I have never seen in all my Mepis and MX history such a recent kernel as the basis of the distro.
Now, I am excited, because I need newer to support the Ryzen CPU and motherboard chip sets, so no problem for me.

But I wonder, are we in greater danger of instability with such a new kernel? Does this warrant extra testing in the beta and RC stage than say MX-16 did?

MX-15 used a 4.2.6 kernel which was released in mid-November. The 4.13 kernel was released in early September. There was a lot of last-minute Christmas-eve-eve coding to get that 4.2.6 kernel to work live. So compared to MX-15 we are being more conservative this time. The reason we pushed that recent kernel into MX-15 was the same reason we are pushing a recent kernel into MX-17: support for recently released hardware.

The biggest problems are the ones you are seeing in this thread: support for older (often close-sourced) drivers. I don't speak for the dev team but IMO it is almost always worthwhile to use a recent kernel if it supports the next generation of hardware that is already in the field. I'm not saying recent kernels are problem-free it's that not supporting recent hardware can be a big black-eye.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:30 pm**

Also assuing we stick with 4.13, we will offer fallback kernels in mx-pi.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:48 pm**

It's a balancing act isn't it. Indeed we must support newer machines with the newer kernels but not create problems for older machines which are still in the wild and I would guess are in higher numbers than the brand new ones. I would not want to hear that my five year old laptop or two year old desktop is not going to work anymore with a new MX release. One would say stay with the older version of MX. I do not roll that way.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:51 pm**

Stevo wrote:...main 375.82 Nvidia driver has no problem with the 4.13 kernel

Yes. Got no problem with it on 4.13 kernel.
Since backported nvidia driver appears to me bit newer I choose the one with 375.82-8~bpo9+1 name. Not from main repo. And what's the difference between those main's and bpo's versions?

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Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GK106 [GeForce GTX 650 Ti] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:11c6
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 650 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
           version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 375.82 Direct Render: Yes

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:08 pm**

The sound worked perfect with MX16 but doesn't work on MX17beta2 64 bit. Dell Latitude E5400. This is an issue with several new distros I've tried so not your problem exclusively. I tried the fallback 4.10 kernel and same. This beta works very well otherwise. I guess my puter is growing old. Thanks for a great system, I'll just keep using 16.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:16 pm**

huffy wrote:The sound worked perfect with MX16 but doesn't work on MX17beta2 64 bit. Dell Latitude E5400. This is an issue with several new distros I've tried so not your problem exclusively. I tried the fallback 4.10 kernel and same. This beta works very well otherwise. I guess my puter is growing old. Thanks for a great system, I'll just keep using 16.

could you post "inxi -F" for this hardware? I'm surprised you have no sound.

Perhaps check alsamxier (now in Xfce Settings Manager) and see if the channels are muted or if its defaulting to an hdmi or some other port.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:24 pm**

Can confirm the 375.82-8~bpo9+1 nvidia builds perfectly against the 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 -kernel.

What didn't work at all is the grub-customizer. Did anyone else try?
It mixed all up and many lines were double in the bootscreen.
I had to reboot into antix and did an "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" to resolve.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:07 pm**

I tried it, renaming the name of the default, rebooted, all good. Are you sure you waited until it was saved (takes a while)?

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:13 pm**

I didn't try to rename the default, I used the up-arrow,which worked in MX 16
O.K.,there are three systems with some different kernels, so I have many lines.
Sure waited until it was saved.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:19 pm**

I've just installed MX-17 b2, Grub to MBR, and then customised Grub without issues being noted above.
(Wifi dongle was detected quickly during live boot, although was quite slow to activate upon booting from HDD. b1 seemed to require some re-plugging in, by comparison)

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:25 pm**

The backported 304xx and 340xx Nvidia legacy drivers are now in the main MX 17 repo for testing with the 4.13 kernels. They are also in the testing repo for MX 15, since we don't have kernels in main that needs those ones.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:28 pm**

dr-kart wrote:
Stevo wrote:...main 375.82 Nvidia driver has no problem with the 4.13 kernel

Yes. Got no problem with it on 4.13 kernel.
Since backported nvidia driver appears to me bit newer I choose the one with 375.82-8~bpo9+1 name. Not from main repo. And what's the difference between those main's and bpo's versions?
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Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GK106 [GeForce GTX 650 Ti] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:11c6
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 650 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
           version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 375.82 Direct Render: Yes

You can look at the package's changelogs at packages.debian.org to see what the differences are. They share the same original source version, so any changes will be Debian patches or packaging changes. Looks like most of it is stuff that won't affect us with Mesa 13, concerning many troubles with the Vulkan variant packages for Mesa 17 upstream--they messed up with a -4 in stretch-backports and had to fix it with yet another version.

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:23 pm**

Tried it on my Dell 700m, on which everything through the MX-16x series worked.

1) had to try the cheat "forcepae" to even start
2) once it entered runlevel 5, screen went completely black; waited a few minutes, then pressed the power button once, and it finished booting to the desktop.
3) wifi enabled and light on, but "device is not ready"
4) installed without problem
6) hung on exiting, had to power down manually << this usually happens
7) on rebooting without USB, saw that forcepae had been retained as a cheat -- very nice!
8) hung again part way through runlevel 5, pushing power button, Ctrl-C or Ctrl-Alt-F1 did not help.
9) finally used the power button to end
Too bad, this is the first MX Linux release I could not use on this machine. (BTW: same thing with B1)
Here is an inxi report from an earlier time:

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$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 3.16.0-4-586 i686 (32 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.2
           Distro: MX-15-a3_386-mx Fusion 10 October 2015
Machine:   System: Dell product: Inspiron 700m v: -1
           Mobo: DELL SYSTEM model: Inspiron 700m v: Rev.A
           Bios: Phoenix v: A02 date: 02/01/05
CPU:       Single core Intel Pentium M (-UP-) cache: 2048 KB
           speed: 1600 MHz (max)
Graphics:  Card: Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x800@65.28hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 852GM/855GM x86/MMX/SSE2
           GLX Version: 1.3 Mesa 10.3.2
Audio:     Card Intel 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller
           driver: snd_intel8x0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.16.0-4-586
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller
           driver: b43-pci-bridge
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:0b:7d:18:92:4b
           Card-2: Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX driver: b44
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:0f:1f:b1:d6:13
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 48.0GB (4.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: HTS548040M9AT00 size: 40.0GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Cruzer_Glide size: 8.0GB
Partition: ID-1: swap-1 size: 1.21GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 58.0C mobo: 43.0C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 121 Uptime: 10 min Memory: 229.7/1245.3MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.25

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:43 pm**

Beta2 MX Select Sound: When I choose another sound divice, it always sound from PC's speaker when I applied it and "Test current sound card". Beta1 is OK.

Audio: Card-1 Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
Card-2 C-Media Audio Adapter (Planet UP-100 Genius G-Talk) driver: USB Audio
Card-3 Microsoft LifeCam VX-3000 driver: USB Audio
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:06 pm**

Just so folks are aware, at some point a lightdm upgrade is going to come down. during the upgrade, you may be asked what to do with a script in /etc/init.d/ (/etc/init.d/lightdm) . Please accept the change and let us know any ill effects.

this update should allow the run level 3 (boot code 3) to work to get to a console without starting X.

thanks, and remember...beta beta beta!

**edit***

This should work be default on the next iso build, but testers on the current b2 build will need to run

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sudo update-rc.d lightdm remove
sudo update-rc.d lightdm defaults

to be able to use the "3" boot code.

<MOD: corrected the typo (-rcd.) in the second command>

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:21 pm**

stsoh wrote:17b2 is awesome........

Isn't it funny how words get twisted around over time?
Awe-some = Some awe ;
Awful = Full of awe.

Having jumped around for a long time from distro to distro, and most recently, to be greatly impressed with the outcome of Solus 3 and then Ubuntu Budgie (which i find fuller) but now... this MX-17 b2!
The latter has really put me in crisis!
Here's one more hand to lift that cup higher to cheer the devs on! :)

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:22 pm**

danielson wrote:
stsoh wrote:17b2 is awesome........
Isn't it funny how words get twisted around over time?
Awe-some = Some awe ;
Awful = Full of awe.

Having jumped around for a long time from distro to distro, and most recently, to be greatly impressed with the outcome of Solus 3 and then Ubuntu Budgie (which i find fuller) but now... this MX-17 b2!
The latter has really put me in crisis!
Here's one more hand to lift that cup higher to cheer the devs on! :)

that's pretty good company, thanks!

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:48 pm**

I'm totally not an Apple/iDevice person, but I'm sure the programmers in the Dev Team who came up with the new MX-iDevice-mounter app would like to hear users' feedback on the new app.

Does it work? Fully or partially?

Please let them know!

Posted: **Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:39 pm**

A very solid beta2. Looks good, and thanks to all the developers who made the last minute changes to the 4.13 kernel. I downloaded, md5 was good, so I burned it to a USB flash drive with the antix tool. Successful was reported.

I booted the beta2, and everything seemed to work in the live session. Conky looked weird with the time digits skewed.
So I installed over the beta1. All very fast. Rebooted, immediately used the nvidia driver installer to install the 375.82-8-bpo+1.

Another reboot, all went well.

As I mentioned the big clock conky is not my taste, but by just clicking around, I could change the conky to mx-asq-geekyTower which looks better to me. The point is , don't sweat the conky stuff, there are many options, easy to figure out, and you can always turn it off in the manager if you don't like it.

So far:
eth0 auto connects
sound works with no selection, just a mixe rvolume increase, youtube plays with sound, as well as wav and mp3 from disk in clementine.
data drive mounted with the disk manager.
Turned on xfce compositor.
suspend/resume works correctly, resumes in about 10 sec.
USB thumb drive mounts and unmounts correctly.
samba works OTB, with credentials I can see directories and files on my wife's win 7 machine. (This always amazes me how easily this works...in contrast I can't get connectshares working in antix)
Lots of desktop tweaks, and finally 2 synaptic updates, and 104 new packages added !

So far all looks like it is working. And now for stability testing. Can I equal 9 days recently on antix 17?

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 inxi -F
System:    Host: Ryzen Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: PRIME X370-PRO v: Rev X.0x serial: N/A
           UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 0902 date: 09/08/2017
CPU:       Hexa core AMD Ryzen 5 1600X Six-Core (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3600 MHz 1: 3593 MHz 2: 3593 MHz 3: 3593 MHz 4: 3593 MHz
           5: 3593 MHz 6: 3593 MHz 7: 3593 MHz 8: 3593 MHz 9: 3593 MHz 10: 3593 MHz 11: 3593 MHz
           12: 3593 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GK208 [GeForce GT 710B]
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 710/PCIe/SSE2 version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 375.82
Audio:     Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device 1457 driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 NVIDIA GK208 HDMI/DP Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card: Intel I211 Gigabit Network Connection driver: igb
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex:
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 2250.5GB (29.6% used)
           ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 model: Samsung_SSD_960_EVO_250GB size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2002FAEX size: 2000.4GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 39G used: 5.4G (15%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1
           ID-2: /home size: 73G used: 94M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p3
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 17.83GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: N/A mobo: N/A gpu: 38C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 0
Info:      Processes: 273 Uptime: 31 min Memory: 874.2/16047.5MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:45 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:
Please remove some of old xfce themes which are ugly
Or don't work...

That is a good reminder for us, we have intended to some theme-cleaning in the past but somehow keep forgetting.

Thanks !

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:37 am**

zsync shows ok but still I have the 17.b1.

downloading from http://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/pr ... b2_x64.iso:
#################### 100.0% 1.8 kBps DONE

verifying download...checksum matches OK
used 1238364160 local, fetched 4396

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:58 am**

MX Tweak, Theme tab.

Didn't know what "Nichi (horizontal)" was, and there is nothing in the Help file about it (which we have to update anyway). So I tried it, and got a vertical panel broken up into squares.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:00 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:MX Tweak, Theme tab.

Didn't know what "Nichi (horizontal)" was, and there is nothing in the Help file about it (which we have to update anyway). So I tried it, and got a vertical panel broken up into squares.

yes, its for a horizontal panel...and the vertical one is for a vertical panel. its why there are 2.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:05 am**

Selecting the "horizontal" one produces the vertical panel in the image

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:11 am**

I'll tweak the names.

get it, tweak? (its too early, but the dog is needy).

horizonatl theme on vertical panel

horizontal.jpg

horizontal on a horizontal panel

horizontal_used_on_a_horizontal_panel.jpg

vertical on a vertical panel

vertical.jpg

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:18 am**

Just got up, one sip of coffee, but your last post (horizontal on horizontal, horizontal on vertical) confused me totally.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:19 am**

see if this clears things up.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:21 am**

I don;t know if it was the second sip of coffee, but yes it does.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:28 am**

Ahhhhh...yes it does.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:11 am**

Another success data point.

I made a snapshot of my AMD graphics b2 desktop install, editing exclusion to allow the Inlel graphics driver. Put the ISO on a USB drive using antiX Live USB Maker. Plugged it in to a USB 2.0 port on my Acer laptop. Booted and made adjustments to dpi and font sizes for the smaller screen. It is vert fast and no glitches. Kudos to the dev team and Bitjam for the excellent antiX Live USB Maker and snapshot tool.

PS no inxi data as I am now off the laptop, but it is an Acer i5 Optimus, 15 inch screen 1366 x 768 with 8 GB ram and a 20 GB SSD.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:14 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote:
huffy wrote:The sound worked perfect with MX16 but doesn't work on MX17beta2 64 bit. Dell Latitude E5400. This is an issue with several new distros I've tried so not your problem exclusively. I tried the fallback 4.10 kernel and same. This beta works very well otherwise. I guess my puter is growing old. Thanks for a great system, I'll just keep using 16.
could you post "inxi -F" for this hardware? I'm surprised you have no sound.

Perhaps check alsamxier (now in Xfce Settings Manager) and see if the channels are muted

or if its defaulting to an hdmi or some other port.

Here it is, sorry I'm late

System: Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine: Device: portable System: Dell product: Latitude E5400 serial: N/A
Mobo: Dell model: 0D695C serial: N/A BIOS: Dell v: A19 date: 06/13/2013
Battery BAT0: charge: 86.6 Wh 213.8% condition: 40.5/86.6 Wh (47%)
CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo P8700 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
clock speeds: max: 2527 MHz 1: 2527 MHz 2: 2527 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel Mobile 4 Series Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1280x800@60.05hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Mobile Intel GM45 Express version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio: Card Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network: Card-1: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme BCM5761e Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: a4:ba:db:a2:3b:f0
Card-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter driver: wl
IF: wlan0 state: dormant mac: 42:be:34:45:5b:79
Drives: HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (2.8% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2500BEVS size: 250.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 112G used: 4.8G (5%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.10GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 32.0C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 165 Uptime: 7 min Memory: 556.0/3911.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43
manager@mx1:~

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:18 am**

Thanks for your help, would sure like to keep MX17 on.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:47 am**

I'm running MX17 beta 2 in virtualbox and I love it. Really nice job and a fantastic distro.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:53 am**

huffy wrote:Thanks for your help, would sure like to keep MX17 on.

check the default audio sink in pulse audio control. IIRC, that chipset sometimes defaults to HDMI if you have one.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:14 am**

Beta 2 is very nice on this laptop - no problems. I have an iphone 8 and can test the iphone connect.
I connected with my android tablet first. Connects and folders are available. I can move items to it and download.
I can connect the iphone but see no folders. I can see that it mounts.

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$ inxi -F
System:    Host: asusmx17b2 Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: laptop System: ASUSTeK product: X550LA v: 1.0 serial: N/A
           Mobo: ASUSTeK model: X550LA v: 1.0 serial: N/A
           UEFI: American Megatrends v: X550LA.403 date: 11/26/2013
Battery    BAT0: charge: 33.4 Wh 98.1% condition: 34.1/37.8 Wh (90%)
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-4200U (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2600 MHz 1: 2294 MHz 2: 2294 MHz 3: 2294 MHz 4: 2294 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.06hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Mobile version: 3.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card-1 Intel 8 Series HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Intel Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCIE Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: e0:3f:49:d6:e7:7d
           Card-2: Ralink RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 54:35:30:21:fa:95
           Card-3: Atmel
           IF: null-if-id state: N/A speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: N/A
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (3.4% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: HGST_HTS545050A7 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 39G used: 4.3G (12%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda13
           ID-2: /home size: 18G used: 217M (2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda14
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 12.58GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda8
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 40.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 0
Info:      Processes: 190 Uptime: 44 min Memory: 964.3/5855.3MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

Screenshot-1.jpg

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:01 am**

Did you ever see a "trust this..." dialog box on your phone?

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:19 am**

yes, Trusted device came up and I selected to trust.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:35 am**

Well that's a start. Did you try rebooting the phone after that?

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:31 pm**

rebooted phone.
thunar closed and iphone connect open - rescan on iphone connect no trust dialog came up. clicked mount and got.
Error when getting information for file '/media/mx-idevice/80a967637f72a8bb21a14c9d521d6a1b28eea0ec/iPhone': No such file or directory.
Now the iphone connect window content is gone and a portion of firefox shows on it.
The icon in the panel for mount/unmount showed it unmounted.

I removed the usb for the phone, opened thunar and attached the phone again.

I now have an icon for the iphone in thunar and it shows to be mounted but no files. Iphone connect has only mount available and nothing happens when I click it. No option to unmount using it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:27 pm**

Thanks.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:56 pm**

huffy wrote:
dolphin_oracle wrote:
huffy wrote:The sound worked perfect with MX16 but doesn't work on MX17beta2 64 bit. Dell Latitude E5400. This is an issue with several new distros I've tried so not your problem exclusively. I tried the fallback 4.10 kernel and same. This beta works very well otherwise. I guess my puter is growing old. Thanks for a great system, I'll just keep using 16.
could you post "inxi -F" for this hardware? I'm surprised you have no sound.

Perhaps check alsamxier (now in Xfce Settings Manager) and see if the channels are muted

or if its defaulting to an hdmi or some other port.

SOLVED! The alsa settings were off. Thanks again, this beta is absolutely terrific!

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:23 pm**

asinoro wrote:zsync shows ok but still I have the 17.b1.
downloading from http://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/pr ... b2_x64.iso:
#################### 100.0% 1.8 kBps DONE

verifying download...checksum matches OK
used 1238364160 local, fetched 4396

Of course, if we saw the complete command you used, the problem would be pretty obvious.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:07 pm**

Stevo wrote:
asinoro wrote:zsync shows ok but still I have the 17.b1.
downloading from http://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/pr ... b2_x64.iso:
#################### 100.0% 1.8 kBps DONE

verifying download...checksum matches OK
used 1238364160 local, fetched 4396
Of course, if we saw the complete command you used, the problem would be pretty obvious.

Both they had the same result.

zsync -i /media/Programs/MX-17.b1_x64.iso $(wget -nv --spider https://sourceforge.net/projects/mx-lin ... c/download 2>&1 | grep -Eo https.*iso.zsync | sed 's/https/http/')

zsync -i /media/Programs/MX-17.b1_x64.iso http://iso.mxrepo.com/Testing/MX-17/MX- ... .iso.zsync

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pm**

I'm using the last zsync command you posted to download the ISO, here's what it should look like:

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zsync -i MX-17.b1_x64.iso http://iso.mxrepo.com/Testing/MX-17/MX-17.b2_x64.iso.zsync
#################### 100.0% 775.4 kBps DONE      

reading seed file MX-17.b1_x64.iso: *********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************Read MX-17.b1_x64.iso. Target 81.2% complete.      
downloading from http://iso.mxrepo.com/Testing/MX-17/MX-17.b2_x64.iso:
##################-- 93.2% 636.2 kBps 2:16 ETA

and when is done you'll see:

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verifying download...checksum matches OK
used 1005977600 local, fetched 233401481

And the file should be in the folder you ran the command from.

If zsync doesn't work for you it might be a network problem, maybe a proxy or router between your computer and server... but I'm not sure.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:53 pm**

Solved, there was no problem in the first place just I didn't use zsync for a lot time, the iso was made in my home folder.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:34 pm**

Vbox responds fast, but after time when I open an app like boot repair or synaptic it stucks but this time there in not a lot cpu usage as it was with beta 1.

Edit. The cpu of the laptop do not stuck but it stuck again the vbox cpu.

Edit. Only if I use both processors of my system with the same memory settings it goes better but again with difficulties with MX 16.1 I don't have any problem.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:45 pm**

How is the general "wifi problem not connecting" going along ?

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:31 pm**

vortex wrote:How is the general "wifi problem not connecting" going along ?

What general problem? If you are talking about stuff from alpha that's been addressed long ago.

The new kernel in b2 also addresses some usb wifi dongle issues.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:11 pm**

It has been requested for others to test the new iMountDevice app so I gave it a go with my MX-17b1 install to usb flash drive using my iphone 7.

It worked perfectly. I plugged in my usb cable with iMointDevice app open and selected rescan. It showed my phone and uuid. It brought up a trust window and I said yes, then my phone asked for my phone password which I provided. Then I chose to Mount in the iMointDevice app and thunar opened with a view of the files on the iphone 7. I opened the DCIM folder and copied my pictures from the iphone 7 and pasted to a new folder on mx-17b1. Worked like a charm - screenshot below:

Mount iDevice3.jpg

Great job devs...

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:36 pm**

@topcat - since I had not been able to get my iphone to mount (iphone 8 MX beta 2), I followed your instructions. I still had a beta1 install and it worked there as it did for you. However it does not in beta2 for me.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:37 pm**

@peregrine : Wonder if the devs changed anything from beta 1 to beta 2?

If it helps I could download beta 2 tomorrow and try it out?

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:52 pm**

Minor icon issue:

Just installed beta two; switched panel to horizontal bottom. When left-clicking on Firefox or other icons on panel, select properties, buttons on right side of Launcher dialog are all grey - no content. Using Papirus Dark icons. Switching to Papirus light shows the content. So does Papirus itself. Switching back to Papirus dark turns them back to no content. Changing compositor does not seem to make a difference.

That's my only non-expected observation. No troubles whatsoever otherwise.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:43 pm**

nathan2423 wrote:Minor icon issue:

Just installed beta two; switched panel to horizontal bottom. When left-clicking on Firefox or other icons on panel, select properties, buttons on right side of Launcher dialog are all grey - no content. Using Papirus Dark icons. Switching to Papirus light shows the content. So does Papirus itself. Switching back to Papirus dark turns them back to no content. Changing compositor does not seem to make a difference.

That's my only non-expected observation. No troubles whatsoever otherwise.

By any chance, did you use the "restore default panel" option at any point?

I think you have discovered a important bug! Should be easy to fix, thank you very much!

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:55 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote:
nathan2423 wrote:Minor icon issue:

Just installed beta two; switched panel to horizontal bottom. When left-clicking on Firefox or other icons on panel, select properties, buttons on right side of Launcher dialog are all grey - no content. Using Papirus Dark icons. Switching to Papirus light shows the content. So does Papirus itself. Switching back to Papirus dark turns them back to no content. Changing compositor does not seem to make a difference.

That's my only non-expected observation. No troubles whatsoever otherwise.
By any chance, did you use the "restore default panel" option at any point?

I think you have discovered a important bug! Should be easy to fix, thank you very much!

Are you using a dark or light theme? Papirus Dark has light-colored icons meant for use on a dark theme, the standard Papirus has darker icons.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:19 pm**

topcat wrote:@peregrine : Wonder if the devs changed anything from beta 1 to beta 2?

If it helps I could download beta 2 tomorrow and try it out?

That would be very helpful.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:24 pm**

OK Jerry3904, I'll give it a shot tomorrow on b2.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:35 pm**

Stevo wrote:
dolphin_oracle wrote:
nathan2423 wrote:Minor icon issue:

Just installed beta two; switched panel to horizontal bottom. When left-clicking on Firefox or other icons on panel, select properties, buttons on right side of Launcher dialog are all grey - no content. Using Papirus Dark icons. Switching to Papirus light shows the content. So does Papirus itself. Switching back to Papirus dark turns them back to no content. Changing compositor does not seem to make a difference.

That's my only non-expected observation. No troubles whatsoever otherwise.
By any chance, did you use the "restore default panel" option at any point?

I think you have discovered a important bug! Should be easy to fix, thank you very much!
Are you using a dark or light theme? Papirus Dark has light-colored icons meant for use on a dark theme, the standard Papirus has darker icons.

I do believe the restore/backup/default feature of MX-Tweak is broke. working on a fix now.

**and fix sent to Tim, at least I hope its fixed**

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:31 am**

After a long absence here, I was unable to get Debian to install on a Mac I was given, so I immediately thought of MX.

17 is up and running on an early 2011 13" Macbook Pro, even the damnable BCM wireless.

Great work, guys.
I haven't really shaken this thing down, yet, but time will tell.

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inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: laptop System: Apple product: MacBookPro8 1 v: 1.0 serial: N/A
           Mobo: Apple model: Mac-94245B3640C91C81 v: MacBookPro8 1 serial: N/A
           UEFI: Apple v: MBP81.88Z.0047.B2C.1510261540 date: 10/26/15
Battery    BAT0: charge: 33.4 Wh 70.5% condition: 47.4/62.9 Wh (75%)
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-2415M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2900 MHz 1: 2294 MHz 2: 2294 MHz 3: 2294 MHz 4: 2294 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x800@60.22hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile version: 3.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Def. Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme BCM57765 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: c8:2a:14:02:01:65
           Card-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n driver: wl
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: e0:f8:47:0e:99:6c
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (2.8% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HTS54503 size: 320.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 4.3G (24%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
           ID-2: /home size: 123G used: 105M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 4.29GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 54.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:19 am**

Please add some popular themes to package manager like adapta and macos theme and like that add some popular themes in MX package installer so that it will be easy for us to install them. I think no other distro has this type of feature which will be very useful
Thanks..

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:46 am**

I have tested Bluetooth connectivity using a hearing aid bluetooth connector, a relatively high end (expensive anyway!) device.
The test involved pairing EasyTek* with Bluetooth Manager and testing persistence after restarting system
------------(*a Siemens thingy that enables bluetooth audio streaming to hearing devices)
Setting VLC to use EasyTek to stream movie audio to ears
------------(a nice feature for me, as with phone calls using Android smart phone)
Confirming if Easytek would reconnect after leaving and returning to broadcast range
Confirming if VLC would remember device and default to it in Audio/Audio Device after restarting system.
Passed

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:02 am**

Good to *hear,* thanks. We had a problem there in earlier testing, so it's nice to know it's working now.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:03 am**

add some popular themes in MX package installer so that it will be easy for us to install them

That's a good suggestion, and we will look into it.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:11 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:
add some popular themes in MX package installer so that it will be easy for us to install them
That's a good suggestion, and we will look into it.

Thank you ..

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:37 pm**

Brother network printer MFC-9320CW - the correct colour printer driver is found in the Printer Config program. Works fine.
Scanner function - again does not work OOTB as detailed in the MX Wiki here: https://mxlinux.org/wiki/hardware/scanners#Brother

/usr/lib/sane folder not created by default in the iso.

I followed the instructions in wiki to create said folder and the 6 symlinks, and confirm that the solution works for MX17 as well.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:19 pm**

I ran into a problem when trying to test Beta 2 on my Dell Latitude 3160. MX-17 Beta 2 will not boot from a usb drive.
It gives the following info:

Loading hardware specific modules ...
Scan usb,cd devices. Look for boot file(s) antiX/linuxfs
Retry for 15 seconds ...
Filter devices /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb
Mounted boot device. Mounted device /dev/sdb1 at live/boot-dev
Initializing random number generator ...
Saving random seed
live-usb-save: Restore state information
Reset file /etc/adjtime
live-init: Localizing/configuring X-Windows
Creating issue file for MX 17.b2 (Horizon) 64 it
Possibly adding swap partitions to fstab

After the above the it hangs with a blinking cursor and just sits there.

I have MX-16.1 installed on this Dell laptop and it runs fine except that it will not recognize my sd card reader.
This laptop has 8 gb memory and a 128 gb ssd drive and I'm dual booting with Windows 10 pro. I hope this helps.
Thanks for all the work on MX 17.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:29 pm**

Using the Nvidia driver installer in an earlier test resulted in a failure to boot to a graphical environment.

Following Stevo's updating of the drivers, I can confirm they now work as expected.

Chris

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:08 pm**

In Post # 103 in this thread I posted how I could access files on my iphone7 using the new MX-iMountDevice app on MX-17b1 64bit running installed to a usb flash drive.

Peregrine, in Post # 89, tried this on MX-17b2 64 bit without success. She then tried it on MX-17b1 and it worked.

As per Jerry3904's request, I created a Live USB of MX-17b2 64 bit and booted it up and tried the MX-iMountDevice app and it worked the same as in b1 for me on my iphone7.

So in summary, MX17b1 and b2 work fine for me accessing my iphone7 using the new app MX-iMountDevice.
For peregrine, her iphone8 works in b1 but not in b2.

If I can provide any other info that would be helpful, let me know...

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:25 pm**

Great, thanks. I have access to a 6 and 6S here in Minneapolis, and will test them later.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:52 pm**

vamsi wrote:Please add some popular themes to package manager like adapta and macos theme and like that add some popular themes in MX package installer so that it will be easy for us to install them. I think no other distro has this type of feature which will be very useful
Thanks..

We have heard that some of the included themes no longer work well in MX 17, so we may replace them on the ISO with popular themes such as adapta anyway. Any more suggestions?

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:00 pm**

chrispop99 wrote:Using the Nvidia driver installer in an earlier test resulted in a failure to boot to a graphical environment.

Following Stevo's updating of the drivers, I can confirm they now work as expected.

Chris

Thanks, we still need testing of the newer 4.13.13 (4.13.0-1) kernel in testing--it has a couple advantages over the bpo one and would be better as the default.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:33 pm**

Installed the 4.13.13 (4.13.0-1) kernel. I do not see nay issues. I installed VB from MXPI without a problem. Let me know if there is something specific that I should test.

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System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: desktop System: Gigabyte product: N/A serial: N/A
           Mobo: Gigabyte model: F2A68HM-H v: x.x serial: N/A UEFI: American Megatrends v: FB date: 04/22/2015
Battery    hidpp__0: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
CPU:       Quad core AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G (-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3100 MHz 1: 1400 MHz 2: 1400 MHz 3: 1400 MHz 4: 1400 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD KAVERI (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.13.0-1-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1)
           version: 4.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kaveri HDMI/DP Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-3 Logitech Webcam Pro 9000 driver: USB Audio
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-1-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 40:8d:5c:0d:62:1b
           Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR93xx Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath9k
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 60:e3:27:08:b6:6c
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 820.2GB (9.8% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST3320820SCE size: 320.1GB

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:39 pm**

The only differences I could really spot with the newer kernel is that I don't see that TSC and firmware error message when booting in Virtual Box. I don't have the hardware to test the extended amdgpu support, and all the driver builds should be the same as for the 4.13 bpo kernel. Just keep using it and make sure everything keeps working, I guess.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:42 pm**

Another successful beta 2 install. This one on my family room system used for streaming youtube, music, pictures etc.
The install from USB was fast.Everything working so far. This box has an on chip ati graphs, using whatever open-source selected automatically.
The install, all updated, fixed two nagging application problems I had.
1. pandora was not working, now it is under firefox 57, though noscript is not available yet, and that may have caused the problem (though I allowed all scripts, still did not play).
2. I have some family VHS I had transferred to DVD, and ripped with handbrake. On this machine only, the video was skewed, torn diagonally. Now the same file play perfectly in vlc.

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 inxi -F
System:    Host: X2 Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: A88XM-A/USB 3.1 v: Rev X.0x serial: N/A
           UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 0309 date: 03/04/2016
CPU:       Quad core AMD A10-7860K Radeon R7 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G (-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3600 MHz 1: 3590 MHz 2: 3590 MHz 3: 3590 MHz 4: 3590 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 )
           drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1024x768@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD KAVERI (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1)
           version: 4.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kaveri HDMI/DP Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCIE Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: 
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1560.3GB (26.9% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sdb model: SAMSUNG_HD501LJ size: 500.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdc model: WDC_WD1002FAEX size: 1000.2GB
           ID-3: /dev/sda model: OCZ size: 60.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 15G used: 4.4G (32%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: /home size: 15G used: 116M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 8.83GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 0.0C mobo: N/A gpu: -1.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 0
Info:      Processes: 195 Uptime: 24 min Memory: 1745.6/6916.5MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:06 pm**

Tested iDevice Mounter on B1 and B2--twice. Results identical for iPhone 6 and 6S

B1: both mounted successfully, folders available
B2: neither mounted, error message attached

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:11 pm**

asqwerth wrote:Brother network printer MFC-9320CW - the correct colour printer driver is found in the Printer Config program. Works fine.
Scanner function - again does not work OOTB as detailed in the MX Wiki here: https://mxlinux.org/wiki/hardware/scanners#Brother

/usr/lib/sane folder not created by default in the iso.

I followed the instructions in wiki to create said folder and the 6 symlinks, and confirm that the solution works for MX17 as well.

Is this something we can or should automate with the package installer?

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:16 pm**

BitJam wrote:
asqwerth wrote:Brother network printer MFC-9320CW - the correct colour printer driver is found in the Printer Config program. Works fine.
Scanner function - again does not work OOTB as detailed in the MX Wiki here: https://mxlinux.org/wiki/hardware/scanners#Brother

/usr/lib/sane folder not created by default in the iso.

I followed the instructions in wiki to create said folder and the 6 symlinks, and confirm that the solution works for MX17 as well.
Is this something we can or should automate with the package installer?

Its a little different what you do depending on which brother driver, IIRC. Here is the info that asqwerth linked to, for reference. (its on the scanner side as she said).

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sudo mkdir /usr/lib/sane
sudo ln -s /usr/lib64/sane/libsane-brother3.so /usr/lib/sane/libsane-brother3.so
sudo ln -s /usr/lib64/sane/libsane-brother3.so.1 /usr/lib/sane/libsane-brother3.so.1
sudo ln -s /usr/lib64/sane/libsane-brother3.so.1.0.7 /usr/lib/sane/libsane-brother3.so.1.0.7
sudo ln -s /usr/lib64/libbrscandec3.so /usr/lib/libbrscandec3.so
sudo ln -s /usr/lib64/libbrscandec3.so.1 /usr/lib/libbrscandec3.so.1
sudo ln -s /usr/lib64/libbrscandec3.so.1.0.0 /usr/lib/libbrscandec3.so.1.0.0

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:33 pm**

Stevo wrote:
chrispop99 wrote:Using the Nvidia driver installer in an earlier test resulted in a failure to boot to a graphical environment.

Following Stevo's updating of the drivers, I can confirm they now work as expected.

Chris
Thanks, we still need testing of the newer 4.13.13 (4.13.0-1) kernel in testing--it has a couple advantages over the bpo one and would be better as the default.

Would that be the Liquorix one from the PI?

Chris

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:41 pm**

chrispop99 wrote:
Stevo wrote:
chrispop99 wrote:Using the Nvidia driver installer in an earlier test resulted in a failure to boot to a graphical environment.

Following Stevo's updating of the drivers, I can confirm they now work as expected.

Chris
Thanks, we still need testing of the newer 4.13.13 (4.13.0-1) kernel in testing--it has a couple advantages over the bpo one and would be better as the default.
Would that be the Liquorix one from the PI?

Chris

I installed the one NOT labelled Liquorix from the PI. I think that is what he meant.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:45 pm**

i have update kernel from experiment repo to 4.14.1.

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$ inxi -S
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.14.1-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:01 pm**

Tested the iPad that worked with B1, it also fails with B2

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:08 pm**

richb wrote:The diagonal line with two arrows at either end in the toolbar puts it full screen hiding titlebar, address bar. everything at the top. Moving your mouse to the screen top brings them back, back down hides them again.

EDIT: Or F11 toggle.

Thanks but this also hides the panel at the bottom of my screen which is not ideal. And moving my mouse to the bottom does not make the panel reappear like it does with the toolbars etc at the top.

Its a minor annoyance which I can live with. MX is the best distro I have used so far.

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:05 am**

Testing of 4.13.0-1 kernel from 'Testing'

Machine 1 - 64-bit desktop
This machine has Nvidia graphics, with the PI driver installed. After the kernel upgrade, graphics continued to work as normal.

Machine 2 - 64 bit laptop
After the kernel upgrade, Virtual Box was installed from the PI. A virtual machine was created,and Windows 7 installed into it. The Guest Additions were installed. No problems were encountered.

Machine 3 - 32 bit laptop
After the kernel upgrade, no problems were encountered.

Basic functionality works as expected on all machines. Common graphic, multimedia and document files opened and their applications functioned as expected. Internet and network connectivity continued to work. The network printer they are connected to continues to function.

If anything specific needs testing, please ask before the machines have a fresh install ready for more testing.

Chris

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:31 am**

Testing of 4.13.0-1 kernel from 'Testing'

Installed to nVidia Optimus laptop. nVidia driver install successful. I do not observe any problems

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System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: laptop System: Acer product: Aspire V5-572G v: V2.06 serial: N/A
           Mobo: Acer model: Dazzle_CX v: Type2 - A01 Board Version serial: N/A
           UEFI [Legacy]: Insyde v: V2.06 date: 05/22/2013
Battery    BAT1: charge: 43.8 Wh 100.0% condition: 43.8/53.4 Wh (82%)
           hidpp__0: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-3337U (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2700 MHz 1: 1795 MHz 2: 1795 MHz 3: 1795 MHz 4: 1795 MHz
Graphics:  Card-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           Card-2: NVIDIA GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/810M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720M]
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@59.99hz

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:55 am**

Stability testing is going well so far.
Happy Thanksgiving to all US forum members, and to the world as well...
I have much to be thankful for, including this wonderfully maturing MX-17.
As I wrote earlier, for me,mx-17 is at the level of a Woodford beta, which many have run for years !

With beta1, and its 4.9 kernel, my Ryzen chip and board would spontaneously reboot. These sorts of reports are found widely on the net , on reddit(amd), phoronix etc. All saying new kernels are better.
On this hardware (signature machine), antix with its 4.10 was stable >17 days.
But the MX beta1 would reboot usually once a day, often at idle, not much happening.

But the beta2, fully updated, at idle, under heavy load, sleeping, waking, apps crash, MX 17 remains solid.

It feels solid like the antix, I had one application lock, scid, a chess database, but scid was killed, and all other programs and OS went on as normal. Not an OS problem, or the hardware, I think it is a new version..Can I revert to an earlier version, none earlier are in synaptic????)

So far so good, and I read in the earlier post even a 4.14 kernel. That is a long tern support kernel.
For Ryzen, 4.15 is the holy grail, lots of new improvements, temperature monitoring I read !

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:49 am**

As a follow-up to post 119 following is some data on the Dell latitude 3160 system:

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jlschwartz@mx16:~
$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx16 Kernel: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.2
           Distro: MX-16.1_x64 Metamorphosis 12 December 2016
Machine:   Device: laptop System: Dell product: Latitude 3160 serial: N/A
           Mobo: Dell model: N/A serial: N/A UEFI: Dell v: A09 date: 06/29/2017
Battery    BAT0: charge: 31.7 Wh 83.1% condition: 38.2/39.3 Wh (97%)
CPU:       Quad core Intel Pentium N3710 (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2560 MHz 1: 871 MHz 2: 479 MHz 3: 479 MHz 4: 539 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 22b1
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.04hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 405 (Braswell) version: 4.3 Mesa 12.0.3
Audio:     Card Intel Device 2284 driver: snd_hda_intel Sound: ALSA v: k4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Intel Wireless 7265 driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlan1 state: up mac: a4:02:b9:0a:69:14
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCIE Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: 14:18:77:b4:f4:18
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 128.0GB (26.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: LITEON_CV3 size: 128.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 38G used: 28G (76%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.29GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda6
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 27.0C mobo: 25.0C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 208 Uptime: 2 min Memory: 487.8/7844.2MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

In addition this system will not boot Antix 17 either. It stops and hangs as well. I hope this helps. Thanks.

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:02 am**

JLS727 wrote:As a follow-up to post 119 following is some data on the Dell latitude 3160 system:

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jlschwartz@mx16:~
$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx16 Kernel: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.2
           Distro: MX-16.1_x64 Metamorphosis 12 December 2016
Machine:   Device: laptop System: Dell product: Latitude 3160 serial: N/A
           Mobo: Dell model: N/A serial: N/A UEFI: Dell v: A09 date: 06/29/2017
Battery    BAT0: charge: 31.7 Wh 83.1% condition: 38.2/39.3 Wh (97%)
CPU:       Quad core Intel Pentium N3710 (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2560 MHz 1: 871 MHz 2: 479 MHz 3: 479 MHz 4: 539 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 22b1
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.04hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 405 (Braswell) version: 4.3 Mesa 12.0.3
Audio:     Card Intel Device 2284 driver: snd_hda_intel Sound: ALSA v: k4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Intel Wireless 7265 driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlan1 state: up mac: a4:02:b9:0a:69:14
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCIE Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: 14:18:77:b4:f4:18
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 128.0GB (26.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: LITEON_CV3 size: 128.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 38G used: 28G (76%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.29GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda6
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 27.0C mobo: 25.0C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 208 Uptime: 2 min Memory: 487.8/7844.2MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

In addition this system will not boot Antix 17 either. It stops and hangs as well. I hope this helps. Thanks.

Thanks. We (mx and antiX) are taking a look! thanksgiving in the states might slow things down a little this weekend.

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:46 pm**

hello all
I am french post translated with google
just for information:
This concerns synaptic

-) On my main system MX-16.1 on sda1 primary partition I have no problems with synaptic.

-) With MX-17.b2_386 Horizon November 20, 2017 on sda6 logical partition, synaptic is very very very long before finishing ( rebuilding the index) (reconstruction de l'index) and uses 100% cpu

If It can help....

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carlus@mx1:~
$ apt-cache show synaptic 
Package: synaptic
Version: 0.84.2
Installed-Size: 7824
Maintainer: Michael Vogt <mvo@debian.org>
Architecture: i386
Depends: libapt-inst2.0 (>= 0.8.16~exp12), libapt-pkg5.0 (>= 1.1~exp9), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libept1.5.0, libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnutls30 (>= 3.5.0), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.3.16), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpcre2-8-0, libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libvte-2.91-0, libx11-6, libxapian30, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), hicolor-icon-theme, policykit-1
Recommends: libgtk2-perl (>= 1:1.130), rarian-compat, xdg-utils
Suggests: dwww, menu, deborphan, apt-xapian-index, tasksel, software-properties-gtk
Conflicts: menu (<< 2.1.11)
Description-fr: Gestionnaire graphique de paquets
 Synaptic est un outil graphique de gestion de paquets basé sur GTK+ et APT.
 Il permet l'installation, la mise à jour et la suppression de paquets
 logiciels de manière conviviale.
 .
 En plus des fonctionnalités de base, les fonctions suivantes sont aussi
 fournies :
  - recherche et filtrage dans la liste des paquets disponibles ;
  - mise à jour intelligente du système ;
  - correction des dépendances cassées ;
  - modification de la liste des dépôts (sources.list) utilisés ;
  - téléchargement du dernier journal des modifications d'un paquet
     (« changelog ») ;
  - configuration des paquets avec « debconf » ;
  - parcours de l'ensemble de la documentation d'un paquet
     (« dwww » est nécessaire).
Description-md5: d4fb8e90c9684f1113e56123c017d85f
Homepage: http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/
Tag: admin::package-management, implemented-in::c++, interface::graphical,
 interface::x11, role::program, scope::application, suite::debian,
 uitoolkit::gtk, works-with::software:package, x11::application
Section: admin
Priority: optional
Filename: pool/main/s/synaptic/synaptic_0.84.2_i386.deb
Size: 2106592
MD5sum: a76c37d0f560634a116b418407c0ef05
SHA256: c995d774d0a298a77b855296db6266f55fb7c99b0a1ff62751cfd2f893913a63

carlus@mx1:~
$

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carlus@mx1:~
$ inxi -S
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae i686 bits: 32 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_386 Horizon November 20, 2017
carlus@mx1:~
$

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:56 pm**

Please post the output of

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inxi -r

as regular user.

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:18 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote:Please post the output of
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inxi -r
as regular user.

here is

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carlus@mx1:~
$ inxi -r
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
           deb http://nl.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
           deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
           deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
           deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
           deb http://nl.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
carlus@mx1:~
$

EDIT:
synaptic is start htop watch line with *** apt-xapian **** for 100% cpu
command to use to monitor synaptic output?
ps -aux *** or ???
thank you

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:41 pm**

the first update of the index takes a while because there isn't an exisiting index. later updates should be faster. Have you let the index finish building?

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:44 pm**

running bluetooth audio for the first time ever on my laptop.

tip: some audio devices, like mine, have more than out output logically, although only one actual output in fact. I used pavucontrol's sink settings to select the right one for my device.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:05 am**

1) launch MX Welcome
2) click "Users Manual"
3) exit the pdf viewer
4) note the (overpainted?) state of the MX Welcome window

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:11 am**

1) right-click desktop and choose "Create Launcher"
2) fill name + comment + command fields... and click the button labeled "No Icon" to choose an icon image assignment
3) note the "application is not responding" popup dialog if you attempt to RedX close the "Create Launcher" window
4) note the 25(?) second delay, with no busy icon to indicate activity...

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:32 am**

suggested tiny tweaks:

consider jogging the default x/y offset for the "torn red paper" conky (as is, it partially obscures the MX logo of the default wallpaper)

noticed: at the foot of one of the tall conkies, a line displays ${some_var} an unknown/unreplaced placeholder

noticed: paperclip icon in panel lacks an onhover hint text

consider changing the icon assigned for "Root Terminal" (in panel taskbar, it is currently indistinguishable from "regular" terminal instances)

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:38 am**

good ones

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:11 am**

I need a newer version of qt for an app that I use.

I notice that MX 17b2 has qt 4.8.7 and MX 16.1 has qt 4.8.6 and the new antiX 17 has qt 5.7.1. The current version of qt is 5.9.3.

Is the final MX 17 going to have the newest version of qt 5.9.3?
If not, what is the reason why MX 17 has the older version of qt?

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:28 am**

I doubt we'll add any antivirus

I think the antivirus is useful i copied some videos from my freinds windows pc Fortunate or Unfortunate i scanned the pendrive and i found 2 threats then i deleted the threats . From internet we will download many software that we want and at that time there is probability for antivirus. So i request you to add antivirus for scanning the downloaded files from internet it is very essential. If not possible then add that to MX package installer

Another Doubt are there any feature plans to upgrade MX package installer like Ubuntu software center or Mint software center

Thanks,
Vamsi.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:33 am**

vamsi wrote:
I doubt we'll add any antivirus
I think the antivirus is useful i copied some videos from my freinds windows pc Fortunate or Unfortunate i scanned the pendrive and i found 2 threats then i deleted the threats . From internet we will download many software that we want and at that time there is probability for antivirus. So i request you to add antivirus for scanning the downloaded files from internet it is very essential. If not possible then add that to MX package installer

Another Doubt are there any feature plans to upgrade MX package installer like Ubuntu software center or Mint software center

Thanks,
Vamsi.

I understand your concern. One should not download software from the internet in my opinion. The devs may consider adding it to MXPI, although its availability in the repos makes it an easy install for those who want it.

No plans for emulating other software centers that I am aware of.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:39 am**

Is MX Tweak-Other/Show systray (notification area) frame checkbox working for everyone else?

Unless I need to log out or something to refresh... I can only show/hide the frame via the traditional Notification Area-Properties/Show Frame checkbox. I am using currently the MX-16 Dark theme.

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$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: desktop System: LENOVO product: 7522RU3 v: ThinkCentre A58 serial: N/A
           Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A serial: N/A BIOS: LENOVO v: 5HKT52AUS date: 07/15/2010
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E7300 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2670 MHz 1: 2659 MHz 2: 2659 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 4 Series Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1680x1050@59.88hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel G41 version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:01:6c:48:1a:77
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8191SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter driver: r8712u
           IF: wlan0 state: N/A mac: N/A
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1000.2GB (43.8% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD10EZEX size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 49G used: 4.8G (11%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda13
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.29GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 38.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 189 Uptime: 1:30 Memory: 985.5/3920.8MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:42 am**

richb wrote:
vamsi wrote:
I doubt we'll add any antivirus
I think the antivirus is useful i copied some videos from my freinds windows pc Fortunate or Unfortunate i scanned the pendrive and i found 2 threats then i deleted the threats . From internet we will download many software that we want and at that time there is probability for antivirus. So i request you to add antivirus for scanning the downloaded files from internet it is very essential. If not possible then add that to MX package installer

Another Doubt are there any feature plans to upgrade MX package installer like Ubuntu software center or Mint software center

I understand your concern. One should not download software from the internet in my opinion. The devs may consider adding it to MXPI, although its availability in the repos makes it an easy install for those who want it.

No plans for emulating other software centers that I am aware of.

Thanks,
Vamsi.

Thanks

About MX package installer will the Look of the Package installer will be changed to modern look like that of other software center in other distros in future.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:56 am**

Probably not, we generally avoid heavy GUIs.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:05 am**

Jerry3904 wrote:Probably not, we generally avoid heavy GUIs.

Thanks.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:21 am**

tascoast wrote:Is MX Tweak-Other/Show systray (notification area) frame checkbox working for everyone else?

Unless I need to log out or something to refresh... I can only show/hide the frame via the traditional Notification Area-Properties/Show Frame checkbox. I am using currently the MX-16 Dark theme.

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$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b2_x64 Horizon November 20, 2017
Machine:   Device: desktop System: LENOVO product: 7522RU3 v: ThinkCentre A58 serial: N/A
           Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A serial: N/A BIOS: LENOVO v: 5HKT52AUS date: 07/15/2010
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E7300 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2670 MHz 1: 2659 MHz 2: 2659 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 4 Series Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1680x1050@59.88hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel G41 version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:01:6c:48:1a:77
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8191SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter driver: r8712u
           IF: wlan0 state: N/A mac: N/A
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1000.2GB (43.8% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD10EZEX size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 49G used: 4.8G (11%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda13
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.29GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 38.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 189 Uptime: 1:30 Memory: 985.5/3920.8MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

its working here...just check the box (or uncheck depending on your preference) and hit "apply"

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:35 am**

its working here...just check the box (or uncheck depending on your preference) and hit "apply"

Apply you say, ahem, I embarrass myself missing that now (pleas habitual familiarity with the instant Notification area settings)

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:40 am**

tascoast wrote:
its working here...just check the box (or uncheck depending on your preference) and hit "apply"
Apply you say, ahem, I embarrass myself missing that now (pleas habitual familiarity with the instant Notification area settings)

* And I was happy to see this and the single-double click choices in MX Tweak, well done thank you.

****Apologies for double post, please delete...

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:02 am**

vamsi wrote:
I doubt we'll add any antivirus
I think the antivirus is useful i copied some videos from my freinds windows pc Fortunate or Unfortunate i scanned the pendrive and i found 2 threats then i deleted the threats . From internet we will download many software that we want and at that time there is probability for antivirus. So i request you to add antivirus for scanning the downloaded files from internet it is very essential. If not possible then add that to MX package installer

Anti-virus is not very essential for Linux. If sharing files with Windows machines, those machines are the ones that need to have up-to-date scanning on them.

vamsi wrote:Another Doubt are there any feature plans to upgrade MX package installer like Ubuntu software center or Mint software center

Thanks,
Vamsi.

One of the goals of MX Linux is to be fast and light, whilst still having acceptable usability. If more things are added, it will just become another Mint or Ubuntu, so no, it's very unlikely that the already adequate package installer will be changed.

Chris

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:31 am**

Anti-virus is not very essential for Linux. If sharing files with Windows machines, those machines are the ones that need to have up-to-date scanning on them.

One of the goals of MX Linux is to be fast and light, whilst still having acceptable usability. If more things are added, it will just become another Mint or Ubuntu, so no, it's very unlikely that the already adequate package installer will be changed.

Yes agree

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:37 am**

clamAV and clamtk (a gui) are available in the standard repos if anyone wants them.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:44 am**

greyowl wrote:I need a newer version of qt for an app that I use.

I notice that MX 17b2 has qt 4.8.7 and MX 16.1 has qt 4.8.6 and the new antiX 17 has qt 5.7.1. The current version of qt is 5.9.3.

Is the final MX 17 going to have the newest version of qt 5.9.3?
If not, what is the reason why MX 17 has the older version of qt?

Does anyone know the answer to these questions?
Thanks

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:47 am**

we ship with qt 5.7.1

15 and 16 shipped with qt 5.3

These are the versions in the respective debian stable branch.

when looking at qt versions, be sure to check not only qt4 packages, but also qt5 packages.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:06 am**

greyowl wrote:I need a newer version of qt for an app that I use.

I notice that MX 17b2 has qt 4.8.7 and MX 16.1 has qt 4.8.6 and the new antiX 17 has qt 5.7.1. The current version of qt is 5.9.3.

Is the final MX 17 going to have the newest version of qt 5.9.3?
If not, what is the reason why MX 17 has the older version of qt?

You can install qt5-default from the repo...which will get you qt 5.7.1...that is the proper version for debian stretch which MX-17 is based on. As root: apt install qt5-default. That should be sufficient unless you need something special in 5.9.3...

Or...you can use MX-Tools->Package Installer->Development->Qt5 Dev Environment
which will install the full development environment:
qtcreator
qt5-default
qttools5-dev-tools

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:19 am**

Thanks for the clarification on qt.
I was using wrong info which I got from DistroWatch.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:21 am**

greyowl wrote:Thanks for the clarification on qt.
I was using wrong info which I got from DistroWatch.

Ah, I see....they have several things wrong on that list. Enough that I suspect other distros' lists have inaccuracies as well.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:29 am**

Not sure if this has been already posted;
During boot in live USB mode I see this msg:

[Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x22 (or later)

I already tried to reinstall intel microcode, remaster and update kernel but the message persists...
Note: After Installation to HD there is no such message
This is part of the log from /var/log/dmesg
========================================================
[ 0.000000] Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information
[ 0.000000] ACPI: HPET id: 0x8086a701 base: 0xfed00000
[ 0.000000] [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x22 (or later)
[ 0.000000] smpboot: Allowing 8 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs
========================================================

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:55 am**

spsf64 wrote:[Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x22 (or later)

Googling that error message led me to this rather ominous report: [WARNING] Intel Skylake/Kaby Lake processors: broken hyper-threading

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:20 pm**

That error goes away if you install the 4.13.0-1 kernel in the test repo. We may make it the default.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:48 pm**

According to the debian changelog, the Intel-microcode package that we include is supposed to have the fixes for both Skylake & Kaby Lake processors.
Reading the whole thread, it appears the original test to determine which processors are susceptible included some newer processors without the problem. I suspect the warning is due to an over-broad test in the kernel, which would explain why a later kernel gets rid of the message.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:30 pm**

Stevo wrote:That error goes away if you install the 4.13.0-1 kernel in the test repo. We may make it the default.

I tried; updated the kernel, remastered, " live usb kernel updater" and no go

demo@mx1:~/Desktop
$ uname -a
Linux mx1 4.13.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.13.13-1mx17 (2017-11-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
demo@mx1:~/Desktop
$ dmesg | grep microcode
[ 0.000000] [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x22 (or later)
[ 0.451446] microcode: sig=0x306c3, pf=0x2, revision=0x19
[ 0.451761] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.2.

Did I miss something?

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:07 pm**

I have backported the newer intel-microcode from Buster (64bit only so far)
http://teharris.net/misc/intel-microcod ... _amd64.deb
Please install it and see if the message is still there at reboot.

edit: the backported intel-microcode for both arches is now available in the MX-17 testing repository, so you can get it with the MX-Tools Package Installer.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:55 am**

timkb4cq wrote:I have backported the newer intel-microcode from Buster (64bit only so far)
http://teharris.net/misc/intel-microcod ... _amd64.deb
Please install it and see if the message is still there at reboot.

edit: the backported intel-microcode for both arches is now available in the MX-17 testing repository, so you can get it with the MX-Tools Package Installer.

Still the same message, not working in live USB...
Once again I did the same procedure; updated the package / remaster / update kernel (is this the right sequence?)
I think this problem is related to remaster, as I said before it is working fine in the in this same machine with system installed to HDD (It was already working with the original beta2 kernel).

edit: by "working" I mean loading microcode is ok, no message displayed during boot.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:28 am**

Stability testing....OK, I got the first crash with beta2. It had been up 4 days as of last night.

I came down this morning to a blank screen. The fans are spinning, but no keyboard or mouse would make the system come back.
As before, a crash at idle, nothing much was going on, a browser with 2 windows, maybe 20 tabs, a few other applications, but basically sitting idle.
So I had to hit the reset button...clearing some orphaned inodes....and now back.
So, not as stable as the antix 17 with the 4.10 kernel where I got 8 and 9 days uptime in two stretches with NO crashes.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:52 am**

spsf64 wrote:During boot in live USB mode I see this msg:

[Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x22 (or later)

I already tried to reinstall intel microcode, remaster and update kernel but the message persists...
Note: After Installation to HD there is no such message
This is part of the log from /var/log/dmesg
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[ 0.000000] [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x22 (or later)
========================================================

The timestamp on that message shows that it is occurring very early in the boot process while the live initrd is running. In order to get rid of that message the new microcode will need to be added to the live initrd since we are many seconds away from having the main file system available where the microcode was installed.

The basic procedure for this is straightforward:

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sudo su -
/live/bin/unpack-initrd
[ copy microcode, modules, whatever to newly created initrd/ directory]
/live/bin/unpack-initrd -r
exit

The first line changes to the root user. Then we unpack the live initrd into the initrd/ directory. Add the microcode and perhaps modules or whatever (if needed) under this new directory and then when you are done, the -r (--reverse) flag cause unpack-initrd to repackage the live initrd so it will be used on the next boot.

If the microcode is getting loaded when the "real" system starts a few seconds later, it might be okay to live with the error message on the live system. This depends on what the new microcode fixes.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:24 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote:the first update of the index takes a while because there isn't an exisiting index. later updates should be faster.

re,
votre note est correcte, le problème est parti
your rating is correct, the problem is gone

dolphin_oracle wrote: Have you let the index finish building?

yes

thx

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:55 pm**

spsf64 wrote:
Stevo wrote:That error goes away if you install the 4.13.0-1 kernel in the test repo. We may make it the default.
I tried; updated the kernel, remastered, " live usb kernel updater" and no go

demo@mx1:~/Desktop
$ uname -a
Linux mx1 4.13.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.13.13-1mx17 (2017-11-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
demo@mx1:~/Desktop
$ dmesg | grep microcode
[ 0.000000] [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x22 (or later)
[ 0.451446] microcode: sig=0x306c3, pf=0x2, revision=0x19
[ 0.451761] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.2.

Did I miss something?

Oh, I was just seeing the same error at first startup in Virtual Box with the bpo kernel, and the kernel update made that go away from the boot screen. I didn't check to see if it was still in dmesg.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:58 pm**

Icons in the system tray are still limited to 22 pixels max as the default, and that is too small for higher DPI screens. Is there any downside to raising the maximum size on the ISO?

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:34 pm**

Stevo wrote:Icons in the system tray are still limited to 22 pixels max as the default, and that is too small for higher DPI screens. Is there any downside to raising the maximum size on the ISO?

they can get pretty "cartoony" on high-dpi monitors. at 64 (the max), the default panel takes up almost the whole left side of the screen of a 1600x900 monitor.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:51 pm**

I do not have much of an issue with the way they are on a 1920 X 1080. The app icons scale up reasonably with panel width and the notification icons can be scaled with the notification properties.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:31 pm**

richb wrote:I do not have much of an issue with the way they are on a 1920 X 1080. The app icons scale up reasonably with panel width and the notification icons can be scaled with the notification properties.

I'm just assuming that the notification properties are not instantly discoverable, based on some of the video reviews we've seen on Youtube lately. It would be better if we would have them scaling bigger with the panel as default, rather than have to change the max value manually.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:36 pm**

Stevo wrote:
richb wrote:I do not have much of an issue with the way they are on a 1920 X 1080. The app icons scale up reasonably with panel width and the notification icons can be scaled with the notification properties.
I'm just assuming that the notification properties are not instantly discoverable, based on some of the video reviews we've seen on Youtube lately. It would be better if we would have them scaling bigger with the panel as default, rather than have to change the max value manually.

I see your point. The first thing I do on a new install is raise the font size for the NA, A size of 44 is comfortable for me. However for a new user that "fix" is not obvious.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:39 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote:
Stevo wrote:Icons in the system tray are still limited to 22 pixels max as the default, and that is too small for higher DPI screens. Is there any downside to raising the maximum size on the ISO?

they can get pretty "cartoony" on high-dpi monitors. at 64 (the max), the default panel takes up almost the whole left side of the screen of a 1600x900 monitor.

I'm sorry, but I can't see how raising the maximum allowed size of the icons forces the panel to get bigger. On my 1920 x 1080 15.6 laptop screen, which is not uncommon, let alone even higher dpi counts, 22 pixels is just too small. They stay the same size if I raise the minimum size until I scale up the panel pixel size. If I don't raise the maximum size from 22, they stay dinky even if I make the panel bigger for my screen. But maybe this only applies to horizontal vs vertical panels?

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:59 pm**

As I've said before, I really think we should be scaling these sizes automatically on the live system based on the screen resolution. This way the system should be very usable right out of the box on a very wide range of hardware. The default of making everything teeny-tiny on high resolution displays makes no sense.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:03 pm**

BitJam wrote:As I've said before, I really think we should be scaling these sizes automatically on the live system based on the screen resolution. This way the system should be very usable right out of the box on a very wide range of hardware. The default of making everything teeny-tiny on high resolution displays makes no sense.

I was reading on the xfce forum that they recommend xrandr/arandr for that sort of scaling, but haven't messed around with that. I'm not sure if those keep the resolution at the display's native one, which font dpi and icon scaling does. If we had automatic display scaling for xfce, that would be a distinct advance. Do any other xfce distros have that?

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:39 pm**

Having a Conky conflict with Cairo (maybe).

Ever since i installed a few themes in Cairo, i can no longer access Conky clocks.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:00 pm**

Vivaldi is set as default browser and it is also set that way in applications but Firefox still loads.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:20 pm**

Display=1680x1050, Panel Row Size=38, Notification Area=28

In a horizontal Panel I typically bump up the default Notification Area. The Panel icons still appear larger as they 'fill' the Panel space but it works for me.
Also using two rows on Workplace Switcher, a more compact arrangement.

viewtopic.php?f=97&t=42447&p=416413&hil ... er#p416408

...mentions an 'allow drag and drop' setting I'd been looking for. My Windows button Panel objects are currently opaque, but if panel reordering is set as I've done in MX-16, only the active window is, with the others being clear save for the text labels. This suits a Panel using a transparent background image. Is the setting hidden now in MX-17b2?

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:41 pm**

tascoast wrote:Display=1680x1050, Panel Row Size=38, Notification Area=28

In a horizontal Panel I typically bump up the default Notification Area. The Panel icons still appear larger as they 'fill' the Panel space but it works for me.
Also using two rows on Workplace Switcher, a more compact arrangement.

viewtopic.php?f=97&t=42447&p=416413&hil ... er#p416408

...mentions an 'allow drag and drop' setting I'd been looking for. My Windows button Panel objects are currently opaque, but if panel reordering is set as I've done in MX-16, only the active window is, with the others being clear save for the text labels. This suits a Panel using a transparent background image. Is the setting hidden now in MX-17b2?

right click on panel>panel preferences>Items Tab>"Window Buttons" and the 'drag and drop" option is in the pull down box.

This dialog used to be available but the preference dialog is no longer exposed to external commands.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:16 pm**

Thanks dolphin. I got it at last by going to 'Edit the currently selected item'

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:26 am**

My Bluetooth headset can't connect. I can find it but last step failed.

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System:    Host: mxfuji Kernel: 4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b1_x64 Horizon November 6, 2017
Machine:   Device: laptop System: FUJITSU product: LifeBook T4220 serial: N/A
           Mobo: FUJITSU model: FJNB1D4 serial: N/A
           BIOS: FUJITSU // Phoenix v: Version 1.18 date: 02/23/2009
Battery    CMB1: charge: 32.1 Wh 99.2% condition: 32.3/56.2 Wh (58%)
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo T8300 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2401 MHz 1: 1200 MHz 2: 2400 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary)
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1024x768@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 965GM version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp
Network:   Card-1: Marvell 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
           IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:17:42:c1:c5:19
           Card-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection driver: iwl4965
           IF: wlp12s0 state: up mac: 00:1f:3b:be:ce:3f
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1120.2GB (2.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: FUJITSU_MHY2120B size: 120.0GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: My_Passport_0730 size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 106G used: 18G (17%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.29GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 61.0C mobo: 26.8C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 222 Uptime: 16 min Memory: 592.6/1993.7MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:23 am**

If Conky is prevented from starting using the Conky Manager, the Conky Toggle menu item remains, but is non-functional.

I can see the potential for confusion amongst some users, but am not sure if we can/should find a way to deal with this.

(As an aside, I've spent a couple of hours configuring Beta 2 on a spare machine as if I was using it for myself. I've added lots of software, and made many configuration changes. Nothing's broken!)

Chris

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:38 am**

chrispop99 wrote:If Conky is prevented from starting using the Conky Manager, the Conky Toggle menu item remains, but is non-functional.

I can see the potential for confusion amongst some users, but am not sure if we can/should find a way to deal with this.

(As an aside, I've spent a couple of hours configuring Beta 2 on a spare machine as if I was using it for myself. I've added lots of software, and made many configuration changes. Nothing's broken!)

Chris

Maybe it should be removed from the menu and added to MX Tweak and show only if conky is running. I do not know if that is possible or even desirable.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:28 am**

ldsemerchen wrote:My Bluetooth headset can't connect. I can find it but last step failed.
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System:    Host: mxfuji Kernel: 4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b1_x64 Horizon November 6, 2017

Does the same error show up in Beta 2 with the new kernel...and the new package mentioned below?

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:35 am**

ldsemerchen wrote:My Bluetooth headset can't connect. I can find it but last step failed.

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System:    Host: mxfuji Kernel: 4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.b1_x64 Horizon November 6, 2017
Machine:   Device: laptop System: FUJITSU product: LifeBook T4220 serial: N/A
           Mobo: FUJITSU model: FJNB1D4 serial: N/A
           BIOS: FUJITSU // Phoenix v: Version 1.18 date: 02/23/2009
Battery    CMB1: charge: 32.1 Wh 99.2% condition: 32.3/56.2 Wh (58%)
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo T8300 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2401 MHz 1: 1200 MHz 2: 2400 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary)
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1024x768@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 965GM version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp
Network:   Card-1: Marvell 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
           IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:17:42:c1:c5:19
           Card-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection driver: iwl4965
           IF: wlp12s0 state: up mac: 00:1f:3b:be:ce:3f
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1120.2GB (2.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: FUJITSU_MHY2120B size: 120.0GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: My_Passport_0730 size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 106G used: 18G (17%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.29GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 61.0C mobo: 26.8C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 222 Uptime: 16 min Memory: 592.6/1993.7MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43

pulseaudio-module-bluetooth wasn't installed until beta 2, so try installing that first.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:37 am**

chrispop99 wrote:If Conky is prevented from starting using the Conky Manager, the Conky Toggle menu item remains, but is non-functional.

I can see the potential for confusion amongst some users, but am not sure if we can/should find a way to deal with this.

(As an aside, I've spent a couple of hours configuring Beta 2 on a spare machine as if I was using it for myself. I've added lots of software, and made many configuration changes. Nothing's broken!)

Chris

I noticed this too just last night. Wondered if changing the desktop file would help by adding the word "running" like this:

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[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Type=Application
Name=Conky Toggle
Comment=Toggle running conky on/off
Icon=mx-conky
Categories=Utility;System;
Exec=conkytoggle.sh
Terminal=false
NoDisplay=False

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:18 am**

how about we just start the "default" conky.

see attached script.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:21 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote:how about we just start the "default" conky.

see attached script.

Sounds like a good solution.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:41 am**

Maybe--it looks like it would work OK with Conky Manager but we would need to test it: does it open the right conky, does CM *know* about the open conky, etc.

Would just like to be sure.

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