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Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:47 am**

I know that I am not the first to download the final, but i will kick off this thread.

Download by torrent. Quick and complete. Copied to a USB with MX Live USB maker, again quick. Loaded onto an SSD no problems. So, I am up and rolling with MX-18 64 bit. Grateful thanks to the Dev Team.

Gordon

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:15 am**

thx to MX-Team. Looks great. Not time enough, so I'm looking forward to 2019 with the magic of MX.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:22 am**

MXPI > Popular Applications > Screencast > OBS-Studio error:

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the following packages have unmet dependencies:
obs-studio: Depends:obs-plugins (=21.0.2+dfsg1-1~mx17+1)...

found it in stable repo and tried to install it but got another error:

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obs-plugins : Depends:libavdevice57 (>=7:3.3.4)...

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:47 am**

Hierax_ca wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:22 am MXPI > Popular Applications > Screencast > OBS-Studio error:
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the following packages have unmet dependencies:
obs-studio: Depends:obs-plugins (=21.0.2+dfsg1-1~mx17+1)...
found it in stable repo and tried to install it but got another error:
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obs-plugins : Depends:libavdevice57 (>=7:3.3.4)...

It installs fine here.

Chris

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:43 am**

Gordon Cooper wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:47 am I know that I am not the first to download the final, but i will kick off this thread.

Download by torrent. Quick and complete. Copied to a USB with MX Live USB maker, again quick. Loaded onto an SSD no problems. So, I am up and rolling with MX-18 64 bit. Grateful thanks to the Dev Team.

Gordon

Very good news, Gordon! We got an early jump on the torrents so we could have plenty of seeds out there for this morning.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:10 am**

there is still No Direct ISO download, as yet
& most Torrent Site(s) have No Seeders, as yet.

ie: only the MX-18rc1 is the latest & most current release.

Edit on that: - - found Three Peers

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:14 am**

Pierre wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:10 am there is still No Direct ISO download, as yet
& most Torrent Site(s) have No Seeders, as yet.

ie: only the MX-18rc1 is the latest & most current release.

The MX-18 Final torrents are up and currently at 26 seeders...here are the torrent links on linuxtracker.org

32-bit
https://linuxtracker.org/download.php?i ... rent&key=0

64-bit
https://linuxtracker.org/download.php?i ... rent&key=0

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:31 am**

Please read all the info in the announcement topic!

https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php ... 33#p473633

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:33 am**

Excellent work, I downloaded, I recorded the ISO in a USB with Live Maker and I just installed it on my laptop. It is incredible the speed with which one works, I like the image of grub and the Plymouth. Thank you very much for the Christmas Gift!

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:02 am**

it's working well, so far

there was Just Two Updates, to be found.

BTW: how do you change that Information,, that is displayed on the screen ?
ie: it's in the American Format - date format ...
yet the TZ is correctly set to Perth, AU

keyboard is US, of course.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:18 am**

I installed MX18_x64 from a USB, after obtaining the Sourceforge direct download, creating the install medium using Live USB Maker.
I unchecked the boot splash
Used MX Tweak to uncheck single click for Thunar and Desktop and set as Horizontal Panel
set 2 rows for Windows Switcher, 11pt for the clock, appending %P to Line for am/pm indicators
Reversed Whisker Menu (Position categories next to panel button)
Checked show menu for Firefox, importing stored HTML bookmarks, added Australian Spelling and Colorful Tabs extensions, set blank for home/new tabs, deleted unwanted search engines, checked smooth scrolling
Set Thunar to show detailed list and unchecked Automatically expand columns..., set left pane as Tree View
Used Disk Manager to mount shared partitions eg. 'Data'
Unchecked Automatically resize window settings in VLC Player
Manually unchecked Show Frame in Notification Area preferences
Unchecked Power Manager show icon for Desktop use

To Do:
Add Australian Spelling/Thesaurus via Synaptic
Change windows buttons to show flat and permit drag and drop
etc
Well done and thanks

**

BTW: how do you change that Information,, that is displayed on the screen ?
ie: it's in the American Format - date format ...
yet the TZ is correctly set to Perth, AU

Same here for Melbourne, with US date format on mouse over

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:23 am**

Hey - - Nice List
:)
the Australianised Version.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:38 am**

I enabled compositing and set a transparent image for Panel background. For this I substitute Clock for the default Orage, since Clock allows for a transparent background**. The US date format still occurs however. Not sure if there is a global setting for this one, although there hasn't been a need to adjust in the past.
*just remembered to copy over hidden file .face for user icon.
**When using a transparent Panel background image, the MX Updater wireframe default icon went to a grey square but corrects itself upon logout/login

Edit:
Have tried disabling the boot splash in Boot Options in the newly installed MX-18 a couple of times now and restarting, to no effect.
MX-18 Grub was installed per defaults to Root, Grub itself adjusted in MX-17 (since updated to MX-18 per instructions for creating additional source file)

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:02 am**

BTW: how do you change that Information,, that is displayed on the screen ?
ie: it's in the American Format - date format ...
yet the TZ is correctly set to Perth, AU
Same here for Melbourne, with US date format on mouse over

Mouse over what? And with "information on the screen" do you mean the conky in top middle?

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:04 am**

Mouse over=When you hover over the Panel clock and the full date is displayed,
EDIT:
My date formats all look good now. Perhaps rebooting and updating has sorted it.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:26 am**

Pierre wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:02 am
BTW: how do you change that Information,, that is displayed on the screen ?
ie: it's in the American Format - date format ...
yet the TZ is correctly set to Perth, AU

keyboard is US, of course.

The date display format is determind through the selected lang-locale not through the timezone you are in.
Just logout and select your locale "Australian English, Australia" in the upper right corner to have the LANG set to en_AU.utf8
and the date will be displayed in the corresponding locale format definition.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:37 am**

there's the 'ahah moment' - - an setting that didn't get set, by the installer,,
- - that did work

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:09 am**

Pierre wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:37 am there's the 'ahah moment' - - an setting that didn't get set, by the installer,,
- - that did work

You get the option to set it (locales) via installer

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:49 am**

Off to a good start:

Snapshot-15-47-05.png

Chris

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:26 am**

Just wanted to input some info in case anyone run's into this issue.

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Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236133] ------------[ cut here ]------------
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236135] vblank wait timed out on crtc 0
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236207] WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 128 at /build/linux-4.19.5/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_vblank.c:1084 drm_wait_one_vblank+0x168/0x170 [drm]
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236209] Modules linked in: hid_generic(E) usbhid(E) hid(E) psmouse(E) i915(E) i2c_i801(E) ahci(E) ata_piix(E) libahci(E) i2c_algo_bit(E) sdhci_pci(E) ehci_pci(E) uhci_hcd(E) ehci_hcd(E) cqhci(E) sdhci(E) firewire_ohci(E) drm_kms_helper(E) libata(E) mmc_core(E) firewire_core(E) crc_itu_t(E) scsi_mod(E) drm(E) sky2(E) usbcore(E) usb_common(E) fan(E) thermal(E) video(E) button(E)
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236245] CPU: 0 PID: 128 Comm: kworker/u4:6 Tainted: G            E     4.19.0-1-amd64 #1 Debian 4.19.5-2~mx17+1
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236246] Hardware name: TOSHIBA Satellite A205/SANTA ROSA CRB, BIOS 1.20     06/15/2007
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236253] Workqueue: events_unbound async_run_entry_fn
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236272] RIP: 0010:drm_wait_one_vblank+0x168/0x170 [drm]
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236275] Code: ff ff ff e8 ca 06 85 d4 48 89 e6 4c 89 f7 e8 bf 97 89 d4 45 85 e4 0f 85 0d ff ff ff 89 ee 48 c7 c7 18 c9 44 c0 e8 08 04 85 d4 <0f> 0b e9 f8 fe ff ff 90 66 66 66 66 90 8b b7 90 00 00 00 48 8b 3f
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236277] RSP: 0018:ffffb4d100697a70 EFLAGS: 00010286
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236279] RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: ffff9c9b746f8000 RCX: ffffffff95c4dc68
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236281] RDX: 0000000000000001 RSI: 0000000000000096 RDI: 0000000000000247
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236283] RBP: 0000000000000000 R08: 0000000000000001 R09: 00000000000002ed
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236284] R10: ffffffff95c03d40 R11: 0000000000000000 R12: 0000000000000000
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236286] R13: 0000000001000001 R14: ffff9c9b73df4c08 R15: 0000000000000001
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236289] FS:  0000000000000000(0000) GS:ffff9c9bbd200000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236291] CS:  0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236293] CR2: 00007ffd2ee64f2c CR3: 000000002fa0a000 CR4: 00000000000006f0
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236294] Call Trace:
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236303]  ? remove_wait_queue+0x60/0x60
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236393]  intel_get_load_detect_pipe+0x39a/0x3d0 [i915]
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236447]  intel_tv_detect+0x140/0x4d0 [i915]
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236462]  ? drm_helper_probe_single_connector_modes+0xd8/0x700 [drm_kms_helper]
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236471]  drm_helper_probe_single_connector_modes+0xd8/0x700 [drm_kms_helper]
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236482]  drm_setup_crtcs+0x13c/0xa80 [drm_kms_helper]
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236487]  ? __switch_to_asm+0x34/0x70
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236489]  ? __switch_to_asm+0x40/0x70
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236491]  ? __switch_to_asm+0x34/0x70
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236494]  ? __switch_to_asm+0x34/0x70
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236496]  ? __switch_to_asm+0x40/0x70
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236498]  ? __switch_to_asm+0x34/0x70
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236508]  __drm_fb_helper_initial_config_and_unlock+0x39/0x450 [drm_kms_helper]
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236510]  ? __switch_to_asm+0x40/0x70
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236514]  ? _cond_resched+0x16/0x40
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236566]  intel_fbdev_initial_config+0x14/0x30 [i915]
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236570]  async_run_entry_fn+0x39/0x160
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236574]  process_one_work+0x191/0x370
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236577]  worker_thread+0x4f/0x3b0
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236580]  kthread+0xf8/0x130
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236583]  ? rescuer_thread+0x340/0x340
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236585]  ? kthread_create_worker_on_cpu+0x70/0x70
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236587]  ret_from_fork+0x35/0x40
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   13.236591] ---[ end trace 690204f1cd77f707 ]---
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   23.375143] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_dependencies [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:34:pipe A] flip_done timed out
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   33.615142] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_dependencies [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CONNECTOR:50:SVIDEO-1] flip_done timed out
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   33.626001] fbcon: inteldrmfb (fb0) is primary device
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.337662] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 160x50
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.357988] i915 0000:00:02.0: fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.375983] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 390721968 512-byte logical blocks: (200 GB/186 GiB)
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.376057] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.376061] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.376081] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.402078] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] scsi3-mmc drive: 24x/24x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.402082] cdrom: Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.402488] sr 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.502656]  sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 < sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 >
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.503661] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.996017] random: crng init done
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   34.996020] random: 7 urandom warning(s) missed due to ratelimiting
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   44.880176] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_flip_done [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:41:pipe B] flip_done timed out
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   44.982150] ------------[ cut here ]------------

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ohh@mxtlap:~
$ inxi -Fxrz
System:    Host: mxtlap Kernel: 4.19.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: MX-18_x64 Continuum December 17  2018 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:   Type: Other-vm? System: TOSHIBA product: Satellite A205 v: PSAF3U-03600V 
           serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Intel model: SANTA ROSA CRB serial: <filter> BIOS: Phoenix v: 1.20 
           date: 06/15/2007 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 52.3 Wh condition: 52.1/52.1 Wh (100%) model: PA3534U-1BRS 
           status: Unknown 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core2 Duo T5450 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Core Merom 
           rev: D L2 cache: 2048 KiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 bogomips: 6650 
           Speed: 1306 MHz min/max: 1000/1667 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1306 2: 1379 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: intel resolution: 1280x800~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 965GM v: 2.1 Mesa 18.2.6 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 82801H HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-1-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Marvell 88E8039 PCI-E Fast Ethernet driver: sky2 v: 1.30 port: 2000 
           bus ID: 02:00.0 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network driver: iwl4965 
           v: in-tree: port: 2000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 186.31 GiB used: 5.27 GiB (2.8%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Toshiba model: MK2035GSS size: 186.31 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 22.31 GiB used: 5.13 GiB (23.0%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5 
           ID-2: /home size: 23.76 GiB used: 137.1 MiB (0.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda8 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/antix/stretch stretch main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:      Processes: 179 Uptime: 1h 28m Memory: 1.94 GiB used: 767.9 MiB (38.7%) Init: SysVinit 
           runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.25

On this laptop would not boot correctly until I added the

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video=SVIDEO-1:d

after the quiet line in grub , now boots normally.
The artwork and themes, login are really beautiful.
So far no issues other than conky bug already addressed.
Great job by all the antiX-MX team, really impressed.
Just an aside would not boot on my iMac 2007 vintage,
will create an iso later today that should work on it, and will update this thread then.

cheers,
ohh

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:31 am**

How did you know to add that particular cheat?

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:35 am**

oldhoghead wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:26 am Just wanted to input some info in case anyone run's into this issue.
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Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   33.615142] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_dependencies [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CONNECTOR:50:SVIDEO-1] flip_done timed out
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   44.880176] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_flip_done [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:41:pipe B] flip_done timed out
Dec 18 20:08:12 mxtlap kernel: [   44.982150] ------------[ cut here ]------------
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ohh@mxtlap:~
$ inxi -Fxrz
System:    Host: mxtlap Kernel: 4.19.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: MX-18_x64 Continuum December 17  2018 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
On this laptop would not boot correctly until I added the
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video=SVIDEO-1:d
after the quiet line in grub , now boots normally.
The artwork and themes, login are really beautiful.
So far no issues other than conky bug already addressed.
Great job by all the antiX-MX team, really impressed.
Just an aside would not boot on my iMac 2007 vintage,
will create an iso later today that should work on it, and will update this thread then.

cheers,
ohh

This kernel bug and a workaround solution was explained here in the forum a couple of times.
Two options:
A - disable the S-Video port with the kernel parameter video=SVIDEO-1:d
B - install and run linux kernel 4.9

Further the conky display issue where solved with the released version "MX-18_x64 Continuum Dec 20 2018 ".
version you are running is still MX-18RC1.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:06 pm**

Jerry,
Had run into this issue with previous versions, and with the help of google, chased it down and made notes in case it happened again.
fehlix,
thought the normal du && dug would have brought me to final.

*NOTE: after migration, the MX version recorded by the system will remain that of your original installation.

cheers,
ohh

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:23 pm**

oldhoghead wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:06 pm thought the normal du && dug would have brought me to final.

Good ddg, the posts regarding the kernel bug within the forum are listed here
therough the forum search page: Search: video=SVIDEO-1:d

oldhoghead wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:06 pm
*NOTE: after migration, the MX version recorded by the system will remain that of your original installation.

Right, I understand. The conky display issue, is a bit special, and might not have got fully fixed through migration,
as some changes had to be made with the users home dir regarding the fonts-cache used by conky. Need to check and see to add this to migrations instructions.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:28 pm**

Let me know so I can add it.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:41 pm**

My mx18 install including torrent download, plus tweaking of everything on my Desktop was completed in under 2 hours. This includes listening to Christmas music, swaying and cuddling my 18 month old grandson, having him nap in my arms for 45 minutes.

A simply wonderful build team.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:48 pm**

Paul wrote : "We got an early jump on the torrents so we could have plenty of seeds out there for this morning."

The word has certainly gotten around, just checked and 24 countries downloaded thru torrents so far. And thanks for identifying DemonLord, his
uploads appear on several torrents at Linux Tracker.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:01 pm**

Gordon Cooper wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:48 pm Paul wrote : "We got an early jump on the torrents so we could have plenty of seeds out there for this morning."

The word has certainly gotten around, just checked and 24 countries downloaded thru torrents so far. And thanks for identifying DemonLord, his
uploads appear on several torrents at Linux Tracker.

Good stuff, Gordon...how'd you check the number of countries downloaded through torrents?

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:08 pm**

Paul. I'm using Qbittorrent which pops up a small flag beside each user downloading. There are so many using torrents at present that some are quite slow when compared with my run yesterday. The whole job, download, make a usb, then install was just over 30 minutes.

Edit The ip addrerss pops up too. At present there are four from US, a couple in Germany and about half of the total are using Transmission for the
download.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:11 pm**

Gordon Cooper wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:48 pm And thanks for identifying DemonLord, his
uploads appear on several torrents at Linux Tracker.

Where was discussion about DemonLord and what was the conclusion, I hate references to something that is not obvious...

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:20 pm**

Adrian wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:11 pm
Gordon Cooper wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:48 pm And thanks for identifying DemonLord, his
uploads appear on several torrents at Linux Tracker.
Where was discussion about DemonLord and what was the conclusion, I hate references to something that is not obvious...

Gordon was asking about other MX torrents previously posted...he wasn't sure if they were legitimate.

Turns out that MX-18 Beta and RC had been posted by DEMONLORD and I mentioned that he is an Admin at linuxtracker.org.

Today, I sent DEMONLORD a PM asking him to take down the Beta and RC...usually takes 24-36 hours to get a response.

Do you know him/her?

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:24 pm**

Looks like they're gone already.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:27 pm**

OK, no harm done. His intentions certainly seemed well-meant.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:30 pm**

The discussion started here, when I commented about downloading torrent files & Jerry queried the source.
https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php ... 43#p473343
Then I uploaded the images from Linux tracker which had DemonLord as the uploader.
Conclusion was that these uploads were unofficial.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:53 pm**

Stevo wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:27 pm OK, no harm done. His intentions certainly seemed well-meant.

Agreed.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:59 pm**

I booted the new iso from a usb several times. and it eats the memory and I can not print a screen because it goes black and I have to turn off the notebook. With acpi = off it works but wifi does not activate.
In the previous one, this does not happen to me. I report this problem in mx 18 beta

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:16 pm**

Give us please the standard system info: inxi -Fz

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:27 pm**

CaputAlista wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:59 pm I booted the new iso from a usb several times. and it eats the memory and I can not print a screen because it goes black and I have to turn off the notebook. With acpi = off it works but wifi does not activate.
In the previous one, this does not happen to me. I report this problem in mx 18 beta

A workaround could be to install 17.1, if it works fine on that machine, and just do the migration to MX 18 without the kernel upgrade.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:41 pm**

I did "dolphin_oracle's" migration notes. Excellent! MX-18 boots faster.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:57 pm**

Mauser wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:41 pm MX-18 boots faster.

I've definitely noticed that (at least with kernel 4.19).

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:31 pm**

Mr Stevo i erase state folder in /antiX i boot fine and the system re create. if I leave the folder bootea and memory usage begins to increase and collapse. what is the state folder It is the problem in prevous version no problem

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:35 pm**

You only get the state folder when running live from usb. Do you want to run live usb without it?

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:57 pm**

yes. the system runs from usb. i erase the state folde.. i off system and then the system recreate it and the system works fine and i am writing ( 2 TIMES FINE)
I do not understand a lot . I had not even remastered and the ram collapsed. but with this state that it seems that it keeps some of the hardware hardwere consumes ram will be something of the assembly of the hard disk with its partitions.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:58 pm**

Herewith the countries list for the first 18 hours of torrent uploads from this site. This includes both 386 and x64 versions.

Algeria Argentina Australia Austria Belarus Bosnia Brazil Canada Chile China
Colombo Croatia Czech_Republic Denmark Egypt Finland France Germany Greece
Hungary India Kazahkstan Latvia Mexico Norway Pakistan Poland Portugal Russian_Federation
Serbia Singapore Slovenia Spain Turkey U.K. U.S.A. Venezuela

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:02 pm**

CaputAlista wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:57 pm yes. the system runs from usb. i erase the state folde.. i off system and then the system recreate it and the system works fine and i am writing ( 2 TIMES FINE)
I do not understand a lot . I had not even remastered and the ram collapsed. but with this state that it seems that it keeps some of the hardware hardwere consumes ram will be something of the assembly of the hard disk with its partitions.

there is a nosavestate boot code in the live boot menus as well that will prevent the system from using the save state

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:07 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:02 pm there is a nosavestate boot code in the live boot menus as well that will prevent the system from using the save state

This is sticky so you only need to do it once and saving state will be disabled in future boots.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:55 pm**

Archive.org uploads are done. Now with the slideshow yoinked from mxlinux.org!

https://archive.org/details/MX18386
https://archive.org/details/MX18X64

I read in the archive.org blog that they track download numbers, but I don't know if they expose that data to regular users.

Edit: It looks like a "view", which is shown on the page, means a download of at least one file from that page, not just a hit in a browser:

Measuring use.

The Internet Archive maintains a measure of use we call a download or view.

Views work like this:

Each item has an view counter.
The view counter is increased by one when a user engages with the media in an item. This is done, for example, by pressing the play button in an audio/video player, turning pages in the bookreader or downloading data files from the item.
A user can only increase the view count of a particular item once per day.
Downloads of files and engagements with the website’s various players and viewers are treated in the same way.
If a user views and/or downloads from an item multiple times on the same day that user’s activity is only counted as one view on that item.

So we could add those to the SF and torrent numbers to get a rough idea of downloads.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:05 pm**

Thanks. Are their servers in San Francisco (guess < job listings)?

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:18 pm**

Gordon Cooper wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:58 pm Herewith the countries list for the first 18 hours of torrent uploads from this site. This includes both 386 and x64 versions.

Algeria Argentina Australia Austria Belarus Bosnia Brazil Canada Chile China
Colombo Croatia Czech_Republic Denmark Egypt Finland France Germany Greece
Hungary India Kazahkstan Latvia Mexico Norway Pakistan Poland Portugal Russian_Federation
Serbia Singapore Slovenia Spain Turkey U.K. U.S.A. Venezuela

Do you remember where the seeders for archive.org were located, or could you try adding one of theirs? I think their data centers in the San Francisco area are doing the seeding, but torrents are blocked where I'm at right now.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:19 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:05 pm Thanks. Are their servers in San Francisco (guess < job listings)?

Three data centers in the SF area, and a mirror in Alexandria, Egypt.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:41 pm**

Thinkpad 600x 2646-8EU (2000)

This really pushes the limits of how old of a computer MX-18 can run on, but MX pulls it off!

Display Color issue is now fixed out-of-the-box -- THANK YOU!

but Audio Sound issues persist and still require a manual solution:
- download latest old firmware: ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/firmware ... 29.tar.bz2 (2015-02-20)
- right click in Thunar extract here
- copy cs46xx folder
- open Root Thunar
- paste to /lib/firmware/
- open terminal "sudo modprobe snd-cs46xx"
- MX select sounds, chose it and apply.

Anyway, MX-18 is great (e.g., with the very up-to-date non-sse Debian Kernel or the AntiX 486 LTS Kernels, and a recent Palemoon non-sse2 browser) really old laptops like this are still useful ~19 years later!

$ inxi -Fxrz

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System:
  Host: Thinkpad-600x-Linux-MX18 Kernel: 4.19.10-antix.1-486-smp i686 bits: 32 
  compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 
  Distro: MX-18_386 Continuum Dec 20  2018 base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: IBM product: 26468EU v: N/A serial: <filter> 
  Mobo: IBM model: 26468EU serial: <filter> BIOS: IBM v: ITET55WW 
  date: 11/30/1999 
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 44.4 Wh condition: 45.4/45.4 Wh (100%) 
  model: IBM Corporation ThinkPad Battery status: Unknown 
CPU:
  Topology: Single Core model: Pentium III (Coppermine) bits: 32 type: MCP 
  arch: P6 III Coppermine rev: 6 L2 cache: 256 KiB 
  flags: pae sse bogomips: 1694 
  Speed: 847 MHz min/max: N/A Core speed (MHz): 1: 847 
Graphics:
  Device-1: Neomagic NM2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX] driver: N/A bus ID: 01:00.0 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: neomagic 
  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1024x768~60Hz 
  OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 7.0 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 18.2.6 
  direct render: Yes 
Audio:
  Device-1: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio 
  Accelerator] 
  driver: snd_cs46xx v: kernel bus ID: 00:06.0 
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.10-antix.1-486-smp 
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA type: network bridge driver: N/A 
  port: 4400 bus ID: 00:07.0 
  Device-2: Intel 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI type: network bridge driver: N/A 
  port: 4000 bus ID: 00:07.3 
  Device-3: D-Link System DFE-690TXD CardBus PC Card driver: 8139too v: 0.9.28 
  port: 1800 bus ID: 06:00.0 
  IF: eth0 state: unknown speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 119.24 GiB used: 8.21 GiB (6.9%) 
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Plextor model: PX-128M6M size: 119.24 GiB 
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 15.62 GiB used: 8.07 GiB (51.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 
  ID-2: /home size: 100.57 GiB used: 133.6 MiB (0.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
  ID-3: swap-1 size: 576.0 MiB used: 768 KiB (0.1%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3 
Sensors:
  Message: No sensors data was found. Is sensors configured? 
Repos:
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
  1: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
  1: deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
  1: deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
  2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
  1: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:
  Processes: 148 Uptime: 2m Memory: 556.7 MiB used: 227.5 MiB (40.9%) 
  Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 
  inxi: 3.0.25

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:51 pm**

if i erase folder in linux and reboot the problem persist , if i erase folder state in win10 and boot the problem solved . When appear the problem when remaster ( state .old state new) then i erase folder in win 10. ¿??

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:30 pm**

Stevo wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:18 pm
Gordon Cooper wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:58 pm Herewith the countries list for the first 18 hours of torrent uploads from this site. This includes both 386 and x64 versions.

Algeria Argentina Australia Austria Belarus Bosnia Brazil Canada Chile China
Colombo Croatia Czech_Republic Denmark Egypt Finland France Germany Greece
Hungary India Kazahkstan Latvia Mexico Norway Pakistan Poland Portugal Russian_Federation
Serbia Singapore Slovenia Spain Turkey U.K. U.S.A. Venezuela
Do you remember where the seeders for archive.org were located, or could you try adding one of theirs? I think their data centers in the San Francisco area are doing the seeding, but torrents are blocked where I'm at right now.

I don't have any info about where the seeders are.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:50 pm**

Stevo wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:55 pm Archive.org uploads are done. Now with the slideshow yoinked from mxlinux.org!

Just tried the 64bit...torrent delivered the .iso and other stuff in the folder, 1.45GB in under a minute. NICE!!

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:23 pm**

I just took 8 synaptic updates to my MX-18RC1, and now voila, with no further mussing about...

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System:    Host: Ryzen Kernel: 4.19.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 
           Distro: MX-18_x64 Continuum December 17  2018 
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: PRIME X370-PRO v: Rev X.0x serial: <root required> 
           UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 4024 date: 09/07/2018 
CPU:       Topology: 6-Core model: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 3072 KiB

I now have final, no future stigma of RC. No re-tweaking. is that correct?

All thing are working well. Totally stable , no crash in over 10 days of beta and rc1.
Running a kernel less than 2 months old, a Distro dated three days ago, and a BIOS-- the latest, 4 months old.

Wow, the developer team really cranked out a smooth machine.
Thanks. I think the release information should mention the LTS nature of the kernel, making this stable Debian install viable for years to come, for those that do not like to upgrade.

Now after a few days, I will do a classic 3 partition install for the production system. And this is fourth partition will be a backup or available for experimentation.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:30 pm**

entropyfoe wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:23 pm I just took 8 synaptic updates to my MX-18RC1, and now voila, with no further mussing about...
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System:    Host: Ryzen Kernel: 4.19.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 
           Distro: MX-18_x64 Continuum December 17  2018 
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: PRIME X370-PRO v: Rev X.0x serial: <root required> 
           UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 4024 date: 09/07/2018 
CPU:       Topology: 6-Core model: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
I now have final, no future stigma of RC. No re-tweaking. is that correct?

All thing are working well. Totally stable , no crash in over 10 days of beta and rc1.
Running a kernel less than 2 months old, a Distro dated three days ago, and a BIOS-- the latest, 4 months old.

Wow, the developer team really cranked out a smooth machine.
Thanks. I think the release information should mention the LTS nature of the kernel, making this stable Debian install viable for years to come, for those that do not like to upgrade.

Now after a few days, I will do a classic 3 partition install for the production system. And this is fourth partition will be a backup or available for experimentation.

Well, we are hoping that Debian decides on 4.19 for Buster so we can keep up with their updates. The last time I looked, 4.19 was still in Experimental.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:38 pm**

Just upgraded 17.1 to 18 on the Skylake Acer E5 Optimus laptop. Nvidia-driver was removed, but I reinstalled it after a reboot to 4.19 kernel. However, Bumblebee GPU switching was still broken as in this bug report:

The nvidia installer seems to do its job, but when I reboot and try to run a command on primusrun or optirun I get the following error:

/usr/bin/primusrun: line 41: warning: command substitution: ignored null byte in input
primus: fatal: failed to load any of the libraries: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/libGL.so.1:/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/nvidia/libGL.so.1:/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/nvidia/libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

But after I installed virtualgl and virtualgl-libs:i386 on 64-bit, optirun worked immediately, even in Wine, where I had to run "optirun -b primus" before. Primusrun seems to be dead for Bumblebee, though. D_O's going to change the Nvidia-installer to add those packages, but the manual needs some changing.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:45 pm**

Stevo wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:30 pmThe last time I looked, 4.19 was still in Experimental.

In Sid now.
https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-i ... .0-1-amd64

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:52 pm**

Paul.. wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:50 pm
Stevo wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:55 pm Archive.org uploads are done. Now with the slideshow yoinked from mxlinux.org!
Just tried the 64bit...torrent delivered the .iso and other stuff in the folder, 1.45GB in under a minute. NICE!!

Well, that's great! Where are you in relation to San Francisco?

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:54 pm**

@ entropyfoe. Like your comment of no re-tweaking. After years of trying to make things look better, I have given up tweaks and use the OS just as it arrives. The left-hand side panel, basic wallpaper and screen layout are fully acceptable as is. With no cosmetic changes to make, the system is put to use without delay. Yes,there are a few additions, qBittorrrent and choice of Conky immediately, a video editor and Audacity, later when they are needed.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:00 pm**

Gordon Cooper wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:54 pm @ entropyfoe. Like your comment of no re-tweaking. After years of trying to make things look better, I have given up tweaks and use the OS just as it arrives. The left-hand side panel, basic wallpaper and screen layout are fully acceptable as is. With no cosmetic changes to make, the system is put to use without delay. Yes,there are a few additions, qBittorrrent and choice of Conky immediately, a video editor and Audacity, leter when they are needed.

I am constantly tweaking. And in my mind it always looks better and easier to use with each tweak. Of course it is pretty darn good if left alone.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:08 pm**

That is one of the really good properties of MX, it can be left alone. Reminds me of one of the aviation navigational aids we looked after nearly 70 years ago. A team came from HQ every couple of years to do a so called overhaul. They did tweak some settings but once they had departed, we put all the adjustments back to where they had been and the equipment kept running perfectly. IMHO many of the reported bugs in MX, are the result of unnecessary tweaks.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:40 pm**

Gordon Cooper wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:08 pm ... IMHO many of the reported bugs in MX, are the result of unnecessary tweaks.

Depends what you tweak, though.

Aesthetic tweaks - themes, icons, wallpaper, conky - are fun! (YMMV) and don't affect the system.

I never touch the left horizontal panel, because I'm used to it in MX and it makes sense to me (when I use Gnome desktop I leave the Dash on the left edge as well).

But I add a small horizontal panel at the bottom to act as a dock.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:49 am**

Stevo wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:52 pm
Paul.. wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:50 pm
Stevo wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:55 pm Archive.org uploads are done. Now with the slideshow yoinked from mxlinux.org!
Just tried the 64bit...torrent delivered the .iso and other stuff in the folder, 1.45GB in under a minute. NICE!!
Well, that's great! Where are you in relation to San Francisco?

Boston area...very impressive...smokin' fast!

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:44 am**

hey all, thanks for a stable-fast release and for implementing encryption in MX18 installer :)

tried MX with 18beta first (interested to check out luks with mx) and then RC1 and now MX18 official.. i only have one issue on boot time. possibly plymouth related (?).
install process with encryption finishes succesfully everytime, but boot would get stuck on plymouth theme after input of luks passphrase. have to press F1 to go to verbose mode for boot to actually continue.. otherwise it stays stuck on that screen for ever.
tried different plymouth themes, and in some of them i get no input box for luks passphrase). in other plymouth themes i just get stuck there as mentioned above. till i press F1 and escape boot theme.

any ideas/fixes/workarounds?
thanks,
d.

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# inxi -Fxrz
System:    Host: **** Kernel: 4.19.4-2-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: MX-18_x64 Continuum December 17  2018 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 4174W2X v: ThinkPad T420s serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 4174W2X serial: <filter> UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO 
           v: 8CET59WW (1.39 ) date: 04/29/2015 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 22.2 Wh condition: 22.2/44.4 Wh (50%) model: SANYO 45N1039 
           status: Full 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-2520M bits: 64 type: MT MCP 
           arch: Sandy Bridge rev: 7 L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 19936 
           Speed: 797 MHz min/max: 800/3200 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 797 2: 797 3: 797 4: 797 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics driver: i915 
           v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: intel resolution: 1600x900~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile v: 3.3 Mesa 18.2.6 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.4-2-siduction-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: 4080 
           bus ID: 00:19.0 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath9k v: kernel 
           port: efa0 bus ID: 03:00.0 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 42.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 1995

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:44 am**

it's now on an Laptop thus:

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Pierre@mx-18:~
$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: mx-18 Kernel: 4.19.0-1-686-pae i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: MX-18_386 Continuum Dec 20  2018 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:   Type: Kvm System: Acer product: Aspire 5920G v: N/A serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Acer model: Chapala serial: <filter> BIOS: Acer v: 1.3706 date: 07/25/2007 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT1 charge: 20.1 Wh condition: 20.1/71.0 Wh (28%) model: SANYO Chapala 
           status: Full 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core2 Duo T7300 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Core Merom 
           rev: A L2 cache: 4096 KiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 8000 
           Speed: 1073 MHz min/max: 800/2001 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1073 2: 1335 
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA G86M [GeForce 8600M GS] driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: nouveau unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa 
           resolution: 1280x800~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: NV86 v: 3.3 Mesa 18.2.6 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 82801H HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-1-686-pae 
Network:   Device-1: Intel PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network driver: iwl4965 
           v: in-tree: port: 2000 bus ID: 06:00.0 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Broadcom Limited NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express driver: tg3 
           v: 3.137 port: 2000 bus ID: 08:00.0 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 232.89 GiB used: 105.36 GiB (45.2%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD2500BEVS-22UST0 size: 232.89 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 14.70 GiB used: 4.76 GiB (32.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 
           ID-2: /home size: 196.62 GiB used: 100.60 GiB (51.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3 
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 3.00 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda4 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 75.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 81 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Info:      Processes: 189 Uptime: 1m Memory: 3.88 GiB used: 573.4 MiB (14.4%) Init: SysVinit 
           runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.25 
Pierre@mx-18:~

this Laptop was running MX -16,, until a few hours ago .. ..

many eons ago it was saddled with Vista

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:08 am**

Any reason the live USB shows as antiXlive when loaded on an existing machine?

I guess it's the second description that newer versions of gparted show besides the label.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:17 am**

I think b/c the entire Live system was worked out by the antiX developers.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:43 am**

Gparted shows MX-Live in my case when the Live USB is inserted. Made with MX Live USB Maker.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:51 am**

Everything works perfect in MX 18 x64, only when I use Firefox and Thunderbird at the same time freeze the machine at times, if I use only Thunderbird there is no problem. This is a situation that happened to me in MX 17 that's why I stopped using Firefox and I think I'm going to uninstall it in MX 18 and use Vivaldi or Opera.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:19 am**

To Gordon Cooper and all the tweakers/non-tweakers....

What I meant was I went from the release candidate, which had all my tweaks (syanaptic packages added, wall paler, conky, panel shortcuts, automounting the data disk...), and by doing the final synaptic update, I get to the final without having to download again, make a USB, install and re-tweak. inxi -F shows the install as final. Not that it takes that much time and effort !

But it is done.

Then I was going to do a full install on the three partitions (/, swap, and /home), but I saw the upgrade path in place described on the forum. So I gave it a shot.

So I booted int that MX-17 install, ran synaptic updates (133 in total, including some scary stuff removing some nvidia stuff), but all went well. I then could use the MXPI to add the 4.19 kernel, a reboot, and another MX-18 is born, but it has all the tweaks I had set-up in MX 17.1 over the past few months.

Like Stevo, I am always tweaking, adding packages,finding small inconveniences that can be improved, adding automation etc. Maybe I should look at those thunar special actions that are new for example.
Nothing major, stability is always a goal. Time to back up all the data to the back-up drive which I have not done in a while, and when all is set up, I will do a snapshot or a clonezilla image.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:23 am**

New user here.

Now I might be doing something wrong, but creating an encrypted USB install is failing on MX-18. Works fine on MX-17.

Fails with this error message on first boot:
"Preparing for passphrase first-boot reset. Reset Aborted: wrong passphrase in passphrase file"

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:24 am**

Torajima wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:23 am New user here.

Now I might be doing something wrong, but creating an encrypted USB install is failing on MX-18. Works fine on MX-17.

Fails with this error message on first boot:
"Preparing for passphrase first-boot reset. Reset Aborted: wrong passphrase in passphrase file"

are you using the Official Release, or a beta?

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:35 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:24 am are you using the Official Release, or a beta?

I'm using the official release.

Again, I'm a newbie, so could be doing something wrong... but I tried multiple times with 18 and it failed each time. Version 17 worked the first time I tried.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:44 am**

Torajima wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:35 am
dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:24 am are you using the Official Release, or a beta?
I'm using the official release.

Again, I'm a newbie, so could be doing something wrong... but I tried multiple times with 18 and it failed each time. Version 17 worked the first time I tried.

which iso? 32 bit or 64 bit?

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:55 am**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:44 am which iso? 32 bit or 64 bit?

64 bit.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:14 pm**

Torajima wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:55 am
dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:44 am which iso? 32 bit or 64 bit?
64 bit.

I can't duplicate that here.

My process was I took the iso, used MX-Live-USB-Maker and the encrypt checkbox, and "full-featured" mode. Again, just like mx17.

So I'm not sure what's going on. I suggest using the commanline version and see if there is any better luck.

sudo live-usb-maker

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:20 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:14 pm I can't duplicate that here.

My process was I took the iso, used MX-Live-USB-Maker and the encrypt checkbox, and "full-featured" mode. Again, just like mx17.

So I'm not sure what's going on. I suggest using the commanline version and see if there is any better luck.

Okay, thanks for trying.

Not sure if it matters, but I did turn on static persistence before the first boot... maybe that was causing some sort of issue.

At any rate, I've got 17 working, and that's good enough for now.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:43 pm**

Torajima wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:20 pm
dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:14 pm I can't duplicate that here.

My process was I took the iso, used MX-Live-USB-Maker and the encrypt checkbox, and "full-featured" mode. Again, just like mx17.

So I'm not sure what's going on. I suggest using the commanline version and see if there is any better luck.
Okay, thanks for trying.

Not sure if it matters, but I did turn on static persistence before the first boot... maybe that was causing some sort of issue.

At any rate, I've got 17 working, and that's good enough for now.

Interstingly data point I'll try that combination

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:20 pm**

sunrat wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:45 pm
Stevo wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:30 pmThe last time I looked, 4.19 was still in Experimental.
In Sid now.
https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-i ... .0-1-amd64

Up to 4.19.9 now there! And apparently with a new metapackage that makes it bootable with Secure Boot! Will that work with MX if I port it over? Hmmm...

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:43 pm**

That could solve a lot of problems!!!

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:54 pm**

Upgrade from 17.1 to 18 happened seamlessly for me; one day Conky told me I was running 17.1, the next day it told me I was on 18. I installed the newer Kernel, but everything else is just the same!
Thanks for making it all so easy.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:55 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:43 pm
Torajima wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:20 pm
dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:14 pm I can't duplicate that here.

My process was I took the iso, used MX-Live-USB-Maker and the encrypt checkbox, and "full-featured" mode. Again, just like mx17.

So I'm not sure what's going on. I suggest using the commanline version and see if there is any better luck.
Okay, thanks for trying.

Not sure if it matters, but I did turn on static persistence before the first boot... maybe that was causing some sort of issue.

At any rate, I've got 17 working, and that's good enough for now.
Interstingly data point I'll try that combination

I'm not having any trouble with enabling static persistence after making an encrypted usb stick.

however,

the cli backend, live-usb-maker, has an option (selectable in its menu) to set the password at time of creation rather than at first boot. maybe that would work better for you.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:02 pm**

Hello to all of you !

First congrats to the MX team GREAT JOB !! and ... MX Linux is on the top spot of the Distrowatch ranking ( if you select "the last 7 days) super !!

Here no problems with all heavy tweaking done even encrypted running at the moment, just one remark for the Dutch speaking ones among us, if you make a snapshot and choose to make a full copy, deselect "video's" , the name video's with the quote before the "s" remains there in the snapshot gui, even after deleting the video's folder in user/home en /home.
If i deselected the "video's", all worked perfect.
This release is really fast !! I told before MX LINUX RULES !!

To all a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year already !!

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:22 pm**

Cooking up the newer kernels now; will take a while, even with a six core CPU.

It looks like the Debian Secure Boot solution requires the Debian Installer, though.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:18 pm**

I think the info at: https://mxlinux.org/current-release-features
needs to be updated for MX-18, time permitting,
to agree with the release notes: https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=47449
NOTE: Looks like pages are being worked on already.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:28 pm**

Yeah, I haven't done that page yet. Redid the Wikipedia entry though today, which required rewriting our MX Tools page so I could link to it and uploading a new desktop image--does that count? And reworked the HELP file for MX Updater with new image and the secret autoremove trick. And have redone the ISO list about 100 times...

So have faith.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:42 pm**

Yes, I imagine there are a ton of details in wrapping up the new release.
Just was looking for something and found the anomaly. :)

MX-18 is really sweet. I installed the final ISO just to check it out.
The rc1 was working fine
as was the b1 that it replaced.
You all have done a great job, again.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:44 pm**

I'm even starting to like the default wallpaper...

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:47 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:44 pm I'm even starting to like the default wallpaper...

Can you remind me what it is? I just upgraded the RC and and stayed with what I had. In fact what is the grub background and splash?

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:56 pm**

richb wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:47 pm
Jerry3904 wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:44 pm I'm even starting to like the default wallpaper...
Can you remind me what it is? I just upgraded the RC and and stayed with what I had. In fact what is the grub background and splash?

Grub is elegant-linen I think and splash is elegant-linen2

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:05 pm**

Just was looking for something and found the anomaly. :)

Thanks for the reminder, I will do it tomorrow morning.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:12 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:56 pm
richb wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:47 pm
Jerry3904 wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:44 pm I'm even starting to like the default wallpaper...
Can you remind me what it is? I just upgraded the RC and and stayed with what I had. In fact what is the grub background and splash?
Grub is elegant-linen I think and splash is elegant-linen2

Thanks.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:12 pm**

Stevo wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:22 pm Cooking up the newer kernels now; will take a while, even with a six core CPU.

It looks like the Debian Secure Boot solution requires the Debian Installer, though.

How weird is that?! Some key management for UEFI perhaps?

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:27 pm**

Paul.. wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:12 pm
Stevo wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:22 pm Cooking up the newer kernels now; will take a while, even with a six core CPU.

It looks like the Debian Secure Boot solution requires the Debian Installer, though.
How weird is that?! Some key management for UEFI perhaps?

hmm...we just need to find out what the debian installer does, right? I wonder if they are setting up a self-signed key.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:07 pm**

Well, they use this package for 64-bit in Sid: https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-i ... .0-1-amd64

which is generated along with a host of others by this source package: https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/ ... gned-amd64

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:11 am**

Well, I got around to installing MX-18 this morning. Clean install on a clean partition. This has to be one of the worst installation experiences with any Linux distro that I've ever tried.

Boring. Absolutely, stunningly boring.

The initial install worked flawlessly, and very quickly. Nothing hung, or generated error messages. Nearly all I had to do was sit there and watch. I didn't have to fiddle with anything or reboot and start over. I mean, really. You MX devs have apparently under-estimated how a dodgy installation process can make the end user feel....well....needed, I guess.

And to add insult to injury, after the install MX 18 booted up without issue or error. I was able to quickly find and install the programs I use frequently. They all work. I set up access to my Windows network drives without isnsue.

Next time, please try harder to make the installation something that makes the end user feel more involved...engaged... I haven't felt this unnecessary since my daughters became teenagers.

All tongue in cheek of course. Great job folks. So far MX18 has been a joy to use!

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Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:14 am**

The following situations I get when booting with the default options (with o without state folder)

off pc --> win 10 --> reboot --> mx live usb ==> ok use ram +/- 400MB
off pc --> mx live usb ==> not ok use ram increasing --> reboot --> mx live usb ==> not ok use ram increasing +/- 1.7 G increase 3.7 GB i shut down
off pc --> mx live usb ==> not ok use ram increasing --> shut down --> mx live usb ==> not ok use ram ncreasing

that is to say it works well I have to start with windows. Why?

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:21 pm**

whell wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:11 am Well, I got around to installing MX-18 this morning. Clean install on a clean partition. This has to be one of the worst installation experiences with any Linux distro that I've ever tried.

Boring. Absolutely, stunningly boring.
...

The next version of the installer will play old public domain cartoons or have a Tetris-type game built-in.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:29 pm**

Pacman.. and when you get caught by a ghost you have to start aaaallll over again.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:50 pm**

Stevo wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:21 pm
whell wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:11 am Well, I got around to installing MX-18 this morning. Clean install on a clean partition. This has to be one of the worst installation experiences with any Linux distro that I've ever tried.

Boring. Absolutely, stunningly boring.
...
The next version of the installer will play old public domain cartoons or have a Tetris-type game built-in.

Have a close look - space invaders on the console on live iso.

Boot iso with cheat bp=1 then type space-evaders
To escape and continue the boot after the game has finished, type exit

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:12 pm**

Eadwine Rose wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:29 pm Pacman.. and when you get caught by a ghost you have to start aaaallll over again.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:13 pm**

Stevo wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:12 pm You'll have to answer difficult trivia questions or solve math problems to get to each new step of the install! "Egghead Linux™, copyright 2018 Stevo!"

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:10 pm**

I now have 7 MX18 machines... go me, yay me... Anyone got an old machine they want updated?

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:15 pm**

These threats of trivia questions and maths problems appear to have scared the clients away. Only two torrent uploads noted all morning.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:24 pm**

Might be some from archive.org, but I can't split those from the ISO downloads.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:35 am**

Backyard Tech opinion of MX-18. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztxqYP4JZes

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:27 am**

First debian-based install since 2006.
Only used it for a few hours so far and basically have a very mixed bag:

Here are my issues and nitpicks, in no specific order:

[*]The default theme is... not as good as it looks in screenshots. Half of it looks great, half of it looks like it's a custom theme from Windows XP.
[*]Found out after half an hour when I tried to set my panel as transparent that no compositor was running by default, but that Compton is preinstalled (but again, no compositor was started by default)
[*]The image is bloated beyond belief. A lot of things are just things not needed, I spent an hour going through and uninstalling about a third of everything, but a few things are also confusing: Why are there four package managers preinstalled?
[*]Chromium bug: Min and Max buttons disappear when maximized. I have not tried Chrome, don't want to. Also default font size is HUGE for some reason. Not the case in Manjaro Xfce or Windows 10.
[*]Speaking of package managers... I had a fun time trying to install Spyder3. The three first times I looked for it, the package manager(s) found it but refused to install due to some issue where it thought the package was empty, basically. Same with Youtube-dl. Then suddenly it worked. Slow servers? Or something else?
[*]Speaking of more package management: When I was busy uninstalling and installing stuff to my liking, I saw 5 packages constantly sitting on the "held back" list. Then suddenly the update notified popped up and told me those five were ready to be updated? Is this normal behavior in Debian? Just wondering.

This is what i can come up with for now. As I said this is my first debian-based distro since 2006.
In case anyone wonders, I got into Linux late 2005, and ran the following back then: OpenSuse, Ubuntu (first "Big" release, when Ubuntu sort of exploded and was in all the papers), Debian Stable, Debian Testing, Mint. Then I got a new computer and I never got around to fiddle with the multiboot.
Started with Linux again this may, and have exclusively run Arch-based distros this time: Antergos, pure Arch, SwagArch, Manjaro. Wanted to broaden my skills a bit so right now installing alongside Manjaro: This, Siduction Xfce, and OpenSuse Plasma.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:49 am**

beardedgeek72 wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:27 am First debian-based install since 2006.
Only used it for a few hours so far and basically have a very mixed bag:

Here are my issues and nitpicks, in no specific order:

[*]The default theme is... not as good as it looks in screenshots. Half of it looks great, half of it looks like it's a custom theme from Windows XP.
[*]Found out after half an hour when I tried to set my panel as transparent that no compositor was running by default, but that Compton is preinstalled (but again, no compositor was started by default)
[*]The image is bloated beyond belief. A lot of things are just things not needed, I spent an hour going through and uninstalling about a third of everything, but a few things are also confusing: Why are there four package managers preinstalled?
[*]Chromium bug: Min and Max buttons disappear when maximized. I have not tried Chrome, don't want to. Also default font size is HUGE for some reason. Not the case in Manjaro Xfce or Windows 10.
[*]Speaking of package managers... I had a fun time trying to install Spyder3. The three first times I looked for it, the package manager(s) found it but refused to install due to some issue where it thought the package was empty, basically. Same with Youtube-dl. Then suddenly it worked. Slow servers? Or something else?
[*]Speaking of more package management: When I was busy uninstalling and installing stuff to my liking, I saw 5 packages constantly sitting on the "held back" list. Then suddenly the update notified popped up and told me those five were ready to be updated? Is this normal behavior in Debian? Just wondering.

This is what i can come up with for now. As I said this is my first debian-based distro since 2006.
In case anyone wonders, I got into Linux late 2005, and ran the following back then: OpenSuse, Ubuntu (first "Big" release, when Ubuntu sort of exploded and was in all the papers), Debian Stable, Debian Testing, Mint. Then I got a new computer and I never got around to fiddle with the multiboot.
Started with Linux again this may, and have exclusively run Arch-based distros this time: Antergos, pure Arch, SwagArch, Manjaro. Wanted to broaden my skills a bit so right now installing alongside Manjaro: This, Siduction Xfce, and OpenSuse Plasma.

Hi; welcome to the forum.

You will never get consensus on theming, or any other graphics issues! However, alternative themes are included, many more are available online, and customising themes isn't too hard.
MX Linux is intended to be as light as possible, and usable on quite old hardware. Compositing is off by default to help with that. Mention is made in the manual.
The choice of installed software is made by the developers to give a balance, and options, to suit as many users as possible. Why does it matter how large the image is? You can either ignore things you don't want, hide them from the menu, or as you have done uninstall them. HDD space is not really an issue in today's world.
I'm not a Chromium user, and it's not pre-installed, so can't comment on that I'm afraid. There have been no other reports yet, so something to watch for perhaps.
Your issues with package management were most probably due to mirrors updating. It takes a while for everything to sync.

Chris

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:48 am**

The situation of the high RAM consumption in live cd in mx 18, apparently, is due to the kernel.
The mx 17 that does not give problems and when updating the kernel to 4.19.10-antix1-amd-smp I had the same problems.
Can I put a kernel in mx 18 as under the snapshot mx17 on October 20? Thanks

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:23 am**

I reinstalled MX-18 64 today because I was unsure on a couple of issues including finding a Live_usb_storage folder in home the first time (possibly I modified and tried to save a lot of live changes).

I obtained the *.iso via the torrent v direct download as previously.

Most of all, and I still have this issue, being that I cannot disable the boot splash via Boot Options.

However, this time I noticed that there is no Screensaver setting icon in Settings Manager. It should be there right? It always was.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:29 am**

manyroads wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:10 pm I now have 7 MX18 machines... go me, yay me... Anyone got an old machine they want updated?

cool.
The best intention for 2019 is to install MX-18 18 times, or 19 times...

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:30 am**

tascoast wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:23 am I reinstalled MX-18 64 today because I was unsure on a couple of issues including finding a Live_usb_storage folder in home the first time (possibly I modified and tried to save a lot of live changes).

I obtained the *.iso via the torrent v direct download as previously.

Most of all, and I still have this issue, being that I cannot disable the boot splash via Boot Options.

However, this time I noticed that there is no Screensaver setting icon in Settings Manager. It should be there right? It always was.

The screensaver has been removed as a default replaced by lightlocker which locks the screen to lightdm. Screesaver is available in MX Package Manager Popular Apps.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:32 am**

CaputAlista wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:48 am The situation of the high RAM consumption in live cd in mx 18, apparently, is due to the kernel.
The mx 17 that does not give problems and when updating the kernel to 4.19.10-antix1-amd-smp I had the same problems.
Can I put a kernel in mx 18 as under the snapshot mx17 on October 20? Thanks

I would suggest opening a separate topic on this as it might get missed in this thread.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:35 am**

The screensaver has been removed as a default replaced by lightlocker which locks the screen to lightdm. Screesaver is available in MX Package Manager Popular Apps.

Thanks muchly. I was wondering if I was suffering from too much seasonal excess, without indulging in any actual excess.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:37 am**

chrispop99 wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:49 am
beardedgeek72 wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:27 am First debian-based install since 2006.
Only used it for a few hours so far and basically have a very mixed bag:

Here are my issues and nitpicks, in no specific order:

[*]The default theme is... not as good as it looks in screenshots. Half of it looks great, half of it looks like it's a custom theme from Windows XP.
[*]Found out after half an hour when I tried to set my panel as transparent that no compositor was running by default, but that Compton is preinstalled (but again, no compositor was started by default)
[*]The image is bloated beyond belief. A lot of things are just things not needed, I spent an hour going through and uninstalling about a third of everything, but a few things are also confusing: Why are there four package managers preinstalled?
[*]Chromium bug: Min and Max buttons disappear when maximized. I have not tried Chrome, don't want to. Also default font size is HUGE for some reason. Not the case in Manjaro Xfce or Windows 10.
[*]Speaking of package managers... I had a fun time trying to install Spyder3. The three first times I looked for it, the package manager(s) found it but refused to install due to some issue where it thought the package was empty, basically. Same with Youtube-dl. Then suddenly it worked. Slow servers? Or something else?
[*]Speaking of more package management: When I was busy uninstalling and installing stuff to my liking, I saw 5 packages constantly sitting on the "held back" list. Then suddenly the update notified popped up and told me those five were ready to be updated? Is this normal behavior in Debian? Just wondering.

This is what i can come up with for now. As I said this is my first debian-based distro since 2006.
In case anyone wonders, I got into Linux late 2005, and ran the following back then: OpenSuse, Ubuntu (first "Big" release, when Ubuntu sort of exploded and was in all the papers), Debian Stable, Debian Testing, Mint. Then I got a new computer and I never got around to fiddle with the multiboot.
Started with Linux again this may, and have exclusively run Arch-based distros this time: Antergos, pure Arch, SwagArch, Manjaro. Wanted to broaden my skills a bit so right now installing alongside Manjaro: This, Siduction Xfce, and OpenSuse Plasma.
Hi; welcome to the forum.

You will never get consensus on theming, or any other graphics issues! However, alternative themes are included, many more are available online, and customising themes isn't too hard.
MX Linux is intended to be as light as possible, and usable on quite old hardware. Compositing is off by default to help with that. Mention is made in the manual.
The choice of installed software is made by the developers to give a balance, and options, to suit as many users as possible. Why does it matter how large the image is? You can either ignore things you don't want, hide them from the menu, or as you have done uninstall them. HDD space is not really an issue in today's world.
I'm not a Chromium user, and it's not pre-installed, so can't comment on that I'm afraid. There have been no other reports yet, so something to watch for perhaps.
Your issues with package management were most probably due to mirrors updating. It takes a while for everything to sync.

Chris

Thanks for taking the time. I am gearing this to be my fallback / "serious work" distro since well... I will be running one bleeding edge (Siduction unstable), one "as bleeding edge as Manjaro allows me to" (Manjaro Unstable, which basically is Arch Stable) and one pretty damn stable but rolling (SuSe Tumbleweed).
I know all about the theming. I will go into that eventually. Today is game day (which for me means sitting playing CRPGs all day

).
As for the size of the image: I guess it's just my old Window roots, but my first instinct installing any OS or DE is to look for, and uninstall anything "bloatware-ish".

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:31 am**

I've been running manjaro stable for close to 5 years now in addition to mx, I've not found Manjaro's standard iso releases to be much less full-featured than mx. In other words, if mx is bloated, so is manjaro unless you install via Architect. Manjaro 18 had about 32 wallpapers, I believe . MX 18 has 26 but the 12 mx17 wallpapers were retained on the iso (kind of inadvertently).

The use case for standard manjaro release and mx is fairly similar, but manjaro is also a arch based rolling distro so they do also target the more techy minimalist type user with architect and unstable branch repo, etc. That is not mx's target group at all.

If you are the "everything I don't need is bloat, even if other people find it useful" type of user, fair enough, you'll probably find both distros' normal isos bloated.

Also, neither mx nor manjaro give me any issues. I did install mx18 RC on real metal to test it out. No issues.

It might be good therefore to see the repos you have enabled, your hardware, and have an idea of what you removed, just in case you removed something key. With more info, the reasons behind your issues might reveal themselves.

About theming: I've never found Manjaro's default panel icons (esp power manager! ) nice either. But it runs well for me (most important) and I don't have a problem changing icon sets. Ultimately aesthetics is subjective.

Anyway, welcome.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:38 am**

Also, what are the 4 package managers?

Only 2 graphical ones, right?

Synaptic is the venerable old gui package manager of Debian based distros. MX packageinstaller (mxpi) is mx's and does more than synaptic, including its Popular apps functionality and the ability to manage Flatpaks in a graphical interface. Unlike KDE's Discover and Gnome's Software, Xfce does not have a graphical package manager nor one that handles Flatpaks.

Mxpi doesn't just do what synaptic does.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:43 am**

Today I received an update on MX 18 x64 and after that, it started to ask me to unlock the Password Deposit. Why is that happening lately with each new package especially in MX Package Installer? I have a start without a password.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:56 am**

Did you log out and back in?

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:08 am**

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:13 am**

Speaking of package managers... I had a fun time trying to install Spyder3. The three first times I looked for it, the package manager(s) found it but refused to install due to some issue where it thought the package was empty, basically. Same with Youtube-dl. Then suddenly it worked. Slow servers? Or something else?
[*]Speaking of more package management: When I was busy uninstalling and installing stuff to my liking, I saw 5 packages constantly sitting on the "held back" list. Then suddenly the update notified popped up and told me those five were ready to be updated? Is this normal behavior in Debian? Just wondering.

Which package manager did you use?

If synaptic, did you reload package lists first? Unlike pacman, you have to do this in Debian.

5 packages being held back: are you trying to install via terminal, using apt upgrade command rather than apt full-upgrade? Or did you change settings in synaptic or mxpi to not use full-upgrade option?

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:26 am**

asqwerth wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:38 am Also, what are the 4 package managers?

Only 2 graphical ones, right?

Synaptic is the venerable old gui package manager of Debian based distros. MX packageinstaller (mxpi) is mx's and does more than synaptic, including its Popular apps functionality and the ability to manage Flatpaks in a graphical interface. Unlike KDE's Discover and Gnome's Software, Xfce does not have a graphical package manager nor one that handles Flatpaks.

Mxpi doesn't just do what synaptic does.

Only quoting this bit, but replying to both posts.

What I can find are Synaptic, of course, but then two graphical that looks identical when opened but have different icons and different names: The MX one, and one with a red Debian logo on it and called something else. Installed as a separate packagebut looks absolutely identical as the MX one when opened.
And then the text based one, yes. Four in total.

As for bloated: I don't mind wallpapers, I am a wallpaperoholic myself.
"Apps i don't need = Bloatware"? Mayyybe to a point; I mean I always mutter under my breath when I have to uninstall Office Online, Skype and whatnot in Manjaro. But there were a few things which I guess is about covering all your bases for an user? Like a Dialup. I haven't used a dial up modem since 2003, I think. But I guess that somewhere in the world you still have to. What else were there... Maybe it was more an issue of covering all you bases between techie, office person and home user and have preinstalled software for all of them.

Manjaro Stable is as Stable as it can get, I love it. But I am at the point where after spending months playing around I got stuck in a rut, so basically I needed a fix on the wild side; hence switching Manjaro to Unstable and going to install SIduction tomorrow. (ANd of course at first boot after updates Manjaro XFCE couldn't log in using the graphical interface. Systemd had frakked up. Oh well, be careful what you wish for

)

Anyway I DO find a lot of things I like with this, I just have to get used to using the command prompts for Debian again; that's part of why I do this, to remember old knowledge.

Edit:
I tried Synaptic first. And then the MX one. It was Synaptic that when klicking the check button listed Firefox and four other packages as being held back; I did not try to force the issue, I just noticed that when I did the auto detected updates they suddenly were eligible to be upgraded.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:33 am**

Hello @Jerry3904
I closed session and re-entered and did not solve, I went back to delete the folder (~ /.local/share/keyrings) and restart, I asked again for the key, I left the blanks and continued. So far he has not asked me for keys again.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:03 am**

@beardedgeek72 and @asqwerth as a user of manjaro since version 0.81 (I think it was) I have decided to seriously move to the use of MX & Debian. For me, there are things here that go 'far' beyond bloatware and software acquisition tools. I'll quickly offer my personal perspective:

Debian like arch is easy enough to script. I remove lots of software I don't care for or use, and replace it with software I do use and like. The scripts take about 1 minute to run and are only required at install. No big deal, to me.

the MX Tools, in my experience and opinion, there is nothing to match them. There are a few distros that make similar attempts but, for me, they fall short.

stability and currency of the MX environment; I managed 5 users' machine environments with a current total of 7 machines, my users are ages nearly 90 down to 5 1/2. The way the team here patches, fixes, tests, and rolls out product is amazing. My users are much happier then they were with manjaro stable, Linuxmint, ubuntu .... obviously grandson (5 1/2) did not test all of those; he's only seen 1 change.

MX is not bleeding edge, and for me the quintessential really "old geek", that is sad philosophically speaking. But speaking practically, MX is rugged, well-built, reliable, and backed by an amazing community. Plus I have to say the auto-pilot update/ upgrade feature is grand.

oh and no reliance on systemd here... I love that.

In the end it is all about trade-offs. There is no perfect world. But for me, I'm here for what I hope is a long time. Sorry folks.... :lipsrsealed:

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:07 am**

Going a bit meta, but I see this thread have been going for 13 pages and we hit against the law of diminishing returns (hard to follow different discussion). I wonder if if a couple of days we shouldn't lock the thread and direct people to submit bug reports for things that don't work, and submit suggestions for improvements either as a "feature request" in the Bugzilla or as a separate thread for each such request. Just an idea... (on the other hand if people are having fun with this we should let it continue)

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:11 am**

Everyone who wants a 'perfect world' must build own systems. Choose a base. Maybe Arch or a Debian net-install without a DE and start.

Another way is for example OpenSUSE. The installer give users the choice to select the software packages. These images are install media only, no live system. Live Systems are full featured systems by the creators and the install process copies the whole system to HDD/SSD.

The Ubuntu installer ubiquity is able to remove packages after the process. (filesystem.manifest-remove). But the packages here where select by the developers. Here you can simply edit this file. It's outside the squashfs, you only must extract the iso and rebuild after editing with xorriso or genisoimage.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:16 am**

Adrian wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:07 am Going a bit meta, but I see this thread have been going for 13 pages and we hit against the law of diminishing returns (hard to follow different discussion). I wonder if if a couple of days we shouldn't lock the thread and direct people to submit bug reports for things that don't work, and submit suggestions for improvements either as a "feature request" in the Bugzilla or as a separate thread for each such request. Just an idea... (on the other hand if people are having fun with this we should let it continue)

I agree. While interesting and feedback, discussing the philosophy of MX, I think, was not what was intended by this thread. Nothing wrong with that but best done in a separate thread.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:04 pm**

Adrian wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:07 am Going a bit meta, but I see this thread have been going for 13 pages and we hit against the law of diminishing returns (hard to follow different discussion). I wonder if if a couple of days we shouldn't lock the thread and direct people to submit bug reports for things that don't work, and submit suggestions for improvements either as a "feature request" in the Bugzilla or as a separate thread for each such request. Just an idea... (on the other hand if people are having fun with this we should let it continue)

I think that's the right direction to go, though I would say we need to leave this thread open for a while still. Now that our Bugzilla is up and running, we do want to direct people to it.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:01 pm**

My intention when starting this thread was it would be a place for reporting the installation of MX18 and any installation problems. Spread into other related topics was not intended but is probably inevitable. My own experience with Bugzilla is that some users may prefer to report via this forum as it is easier.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:06 pm**

It's not easier on the people that have to answer and then later use the info for development.

Maybe we should set up a Wiki article on "How to report a bug on the MX Bug Manager." I'll look into that.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:12 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:06 pm It's not easier on the people that have to answer and then later use the info for development.

Maybe we should set up a Wiki article on "How to report a bug on the MX Bug Manager." I'll look into that.

Yes, a good thought. How to use Bugzilla is not immediately obvious.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:17 pm**

beardedgeek72 wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:26 am
asqwerth wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:38 am
Only quoting this bit, but replying to both posts.

What I can find are Synaptic, of course, but then two graphical that looks identical when opened but have different icons and different names: The MX one, and one with a red Debian logo on it and called something else. Installed as a separate packagebut looks absolutely identical as the MX one when opened.
And then the text based one, yes. Four in total.

As for bloated: I don't mind wallpapers, I am a wallpaperoholic myself.
....
Edit:
I tried Synaptic first. And then the MX one. It was Synaptic that when klicking the check button listed Firefox and four other packages as being held back; I did not try to force the issue, I just noticed that when I did the auto detected updates they suddenly were eligible to be upgraded.
Yup, only 2 gui front-end programs (synaptic and mxpi) that essentially use the apt terminal commands.

The one with the red Debian glyph is actually a program (gdebi) to directly install .deb binary executable files, like double clicking on a .Exe file in Windows.

And visually the gdebi interface does not look like mxpi at all.

By the way I posted a 3rd post, to ask if you had manually refreshed package lists in synaptic. You might have opened synaptic before the behind the scenes auto updater had finished checking for updates or some repo mirrors were not yet synced.

Posted: **Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:48 am**

Some may remember my wireless issues on my Lenovo Yoga 730 with MX-18 rc1 from last week. Well, that’s all in the rear view mirror now. Downloaded MX-18 Final and installed it the way I used to with Ubuntu back in the days of all the Broadcom wireless issues and everything worked perfectly. The trick? ALWAYS install with an Ethernet network connection. Just always seems to work better. It must be downloading wireless components while installing.

MX-18 works great now!

Posted: **Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:54 am**

Minor problem with FF64 in MX18 not found in MX17.1 fully upgraded.

My MX18 FF64 does not display some html input boxes properly.
My MX18 Chromium doesn't have this same problem, but I'd rather be using FF64.
Only problem I've noticed so far with MX18.

Unlike MX17.1, MX18 FF64 Help says FF updates disabled by sys admin.

Posted: **Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:07 am**

It may say that for the first time, but we have been handling FF updates ourselves since the beginning.

Posted: **Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:12 am**

Jerry3904 wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:07 am It may say that for the first time, but we have been handling FF updates ourselves since the beginning.

what he said.

what happened was that firefox settings changed along the way and our custom settings file no longer addressed it. It does not, but existing installs probably won't see the change because of the way things work with settings in the home folder.

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:52 pm**

CaputAlista wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:48 am The situation of the high RAM consumption in live cd in mx 18, apparently, is due to the kernel.
The mx 17 that does not give problems and when updating the kernel to 4.19.10-antix1-amd-smp I had the same problems.
Can I put a kernel in mx 18 as under the snapshot mx17 on October 20? Thanks

Yes, that should not be a problem.

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:01 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:12 am
Jerry3904 wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:07 am It may say that for the first time, but we have been handling FF updates ourselves since the beginning.
what he said.

what happened was that firefox settings changed along the way and our custom settings file no longer addressed it. It does not, but existing installs probably won't see the change because of the way things work with settings in the home folder.

We just now added a json file to our Firefox install that disabled the update nag and the message that an attempted upgrade failed, so we won't see those any more, thanks to fehlix. It does mean that we now will see that message about updates being disabled. It's not MX 18 specific.

Posted: **Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:38 pm**

Preparing to install to an SSD and booted up live to check the usb. Just wanted to say this looks freaking awesome, especially Conky. It looks perfect on my 12" laptop. I can see you tweaked and polished it a bit compared to MX 17. Great job folks!

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:05 pm**

Just installed MX 18. Man this thing is lightning in a bottle! 8 gb ram, dual core Sandybridge, Sandisk SSD--MX flies on this thing. Love it! Thanks again folks!

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$ screenfetch
         _,met$$$$$gg.           viking@mx
      ,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P.        OS: Unknown 18 Continuum
    ,g$$P""       """Y$$.".      Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.19.0-1-amd64
   ,$$P'              `$$$.      Uptime: 6m
  ',$$P       ,ggs.     `$$b:    Packages: 1967
  `d$$'     ,$P"'   .    $$$     Shell: bash 4.4.12
   $$P      d$'     ,    $$P     Resolution: 1366x768
   $$:      $$.   -    ,d$$'     DE: XFCE
   $$\;      Y$b._   _,d$P'      WM: Xfwm4
   Y$$.    `.`"Y$$$$P"'          WM Theme: Arc-Dark
   `$$b      "-.__               GTK Theme: Greybird-mx17 [GTK2]
    `Y$$                         Icon Theme: Papirus
     `Y$$.                       Font: Noto Sans 12
       `$$b.                     CPU: Intel Core i5-2540M CPU @ 3.3GHz
         `Y$$b.                  GPU: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile 
            `"Y$b._              RAM: 847MiB / 7888MiB

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:28 pm**

Neofetch will give you the MX logo!

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:29 pm**

Jerry3904 wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:28 pm Neofetch will give you the MX logo!

Thanks! Will try that.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:14 pm**

KBD wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:05 pm Just installed MX 18. Man this thing is lightning in a bottle! 8 gb ram, dual core Sandybridge, Sandisk SSD--MX flies on this thing. Love it! Thanks again folks!

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$ screenfetch
         _,met$$$$$gg.           viking@mx
      ,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P.        OS: Unknown 18 Continuum
    ,g$$P""       """Y$$.".      Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.19.0-1-amd64
   ,$$P'              `$$$.      Uptime: 6m
  ',$$P       ,ggs.     `$$b:    Packages: 1967
  `d$$'     ,$P"'   .    $$$     Shell: bash 4.4.12
   $$P      d$'     ,    $$P     Resolution: 1366x768
   $$:      $$.   -    ,d$$'     DE: XFCE
   $$\;      Y$b._   _,d$P'      WM: Xfwm4
   Y$$.    `.`"Y$$$$P"'          WM Theme: Arc-Dark
   `$$b      "-.__               GTK Theme: Greybird-mx17 [GTK2]
    `Y$$                         Icon Theme: Papirus
     `Y$$.                       Font: Noto Sans 12
       `$$b.                     CPU: Intel Core i5-2540M CPU @ 3.3GHz
         `Y$$b.                  GPU: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile 
            `"Y$b._              RAM: 847MiB / 7888MiB

You're a user that I'd like to test to see how Intel hardware decoding va-api acceleration is working in VLC 3.0.5 from the test repo, too. I'll start a thread about setting that up and testing that.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:23 pm**

Stevo wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:14 pm
KBD wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:05 pm Just installed MX 18. Man this thing is lightning in a bottle! 8 gb ram, dual core Sandybridge, Sandisk SSD--MX flies on this thing. Love it! Thanks again folks!
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$ screenfetch
         _,met$$$$$gg.           viking@mx
      ,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P.        OS: Unknown 18 Continuum
    ,g$$P""       """Y$$.".      Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.19.0-1-amd64
   ,$$P'              `$$$.      Uptime: 6m
  ',$$P       ,ggs.     `$$b:    Packages: 1967
  `d$$'     ,$P"'   .    $$$     Shell: bash 4.4.12
   $$P      d$'     ,    $$P     Resolution: 1366x768
   $$:      $$.   -    ,d$$'     DE: XFCE
   $$\;      Y$b._   _,d$P'      WM: Xfwm4
   Y$$.    `.`"Y$$$$P"'          WM Theme: Arc-Dark
   `$$b      "-.__               GTK Theme: Greybird-mx17 [GTK2]
    `Y$$                         Icon Theme: Papirus
     `Y$$.                       Font: Noto Sans 12
       `$$b.                     CPU: Intel Core i5-2540M CPU @ 3.3GHz
         `Y$$b.                  GPU: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile 
            `"Y$b._              RAM: 847MiB / 7888MiB
You're a user that I'd like to test to see how Intel hardware decoding va-api acceleration is working in VLC 3.0.5 from the test repo, too. I'll start a thread about setting that up and testing that.

Let me know what you need.

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:10 pm**

Not to whine, but I am not fond of the "quiet" boot up setting, or the default grub boot settings that hide the boot logging information from plain view. That's a move to being too much like MS Windows. Let me see the boot logging information by default. For those who disagree, it's good medicine.

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:13 pm**

Esc key toggles view, and splash can be disabled in MX Boot Options

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:08 pm**

Jerry3904, how would an ordinary user know that? Anyway, if it wasn't for the default "quiet" default boot on the ISO, I wouldn't have anything to complain about. :-) I've been a die hard (still am) Gentoo user for 15 years and MX is rocking my boat. (That's a high compliment.)

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:39 pm**

figueroa wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:08 pm I've been a die hard (still am) Gentoo user for 15 years and MX is rocking my boat. (That's a high compliment.)

You might want to take a look at our sister distro antiX. It's more cli oriented. It's got the console decoration that I think may have originated in Gentoo. AntiX is still Debian based but it's been influenced by Gentoo. If you want a fast booting rescue live-usb that is easy to customize then check it out. On fast hardware it can get to the Bash console in less than 5 seconds. Use the "fdb+" option. It can do a frugal install and boot to the installed system in less than 30 seconds, again given fast hardware. TBH I do most of my MX/antiX development work on Gentoo.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:47 am**

Indeed, THANKS MX-team,
Great work ... Great, Nice Distro !
Congratulations ;-)

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:53 am**

BitJam wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:39 pm
figueroa wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:08 pm I've been a die hard (still am) Gentoo user for 15 years and MX is rocking my boat. (That's a high compliment.)
You might want to take a look at our sister distro antiX. It's more cli oriented. It's got the console decoration that I think may have originated in Gentoo. AntiX is still Debian based but it's been influenced by Gentoo. If you want a fast booting rescue live-usb that is easy to customize then check it out. On fast hardware it can get to the Bash console in less than 5 seconds. Use the "fdb+" option. It can do a frugal install and boot to the installed system in less than 30 seconds, again given fast hardware. TBH I do most of my MX/antiX development work on Gentoo.

To work in CLI (Console mode) only not necessary to use whatever option or type whatever, you can use <CTRL> <ALT> <F1> through <CTRL> <ALT> <F6> and login into the console ... <CTRL> <ALT> <F7> to return go Graphical Environment ;-)

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:00 am**

Bitjam means there are lots of cli-based tools and apps in antiX

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