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Posted: **Sat May 24, 2025 8:56 am**

Is MxLinux going to stay with x11, or are they eventually going to switch to Wayland. I like X11, Wayland doesn't play well with my computer. 14th Gen Intel Processor. I also have to use the liq. kernel 6.14, my JBL Bluetooth speaker won't work on the 6.1 Kernel. Thanks in advance.

Posted: **Sat May 24, 2025 9:03 am**

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Posted: **Sat May 24, 2025 9:06 am**

Xfce will remain X11 default for now.

KDE may default to wayland, haven't decided yet. but both X11 and wayland options will be available.

fluxbox will always be X11, as I doubt that WM ever gets updated to operate as a wayland compositor.

Posted: **Sat May 24, 2025 9:20 am**

Hi,

If I understand correctly the choice of Wayland or X11 will largely depend on what Debian does upstream and then projects like MX will have to follow suit to some degree. I think we're very fortunate that Debian (and MX) are quite conservative with big changes like this and very careful about burning bridges. Wayland has a a lot of proving itself to do across all workflows even if it is working for general Desktop usage. As an example I primarily use my computers for multimedia production and use Recording programs like Ardour and there are more than a few reports on the Ardour forum of problems when using Wayland for production, many programs are going to rely on 'Xwayland' which adapts programs and applications geared to X11 to work with Wayland and my feeling is there are a lot of hidden bugs yet to show themselves as more and more users either choose Wayland or are forced to by their Distribution. Wayland is inevitable but I think it and especially Xwayland will need a lot more refining before it truly replaces X11 in a way that deeply affects Users. Certainly Trixie has no major changes in this regard and Fluxbox and all other X11 DE's will be alive and well in Trixie.

Posted: **Sat May 24, 2025 9:33 am**

AVLinux wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 9:20 am Hi,

If I understand correctly the choice of Wayland or X11 will largely depend on what Debian does upstream .........

I think it depends on the Desktop environment. If XFCE devs don't make XFCE fully Wayland-ready (right now it's only at experimental stage) then people running XFCE will still be on X11.

Posted: **Sat May 24, 2025 9:54 am**

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Posted: **Sat May 24, 2025 10:55 am**

asqwerth wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 9:33 am
AVLinux wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 9:20 am Hi,

If I understand correctly the choice of Wayland or X11 will largely depend on what Debian does upstream .........
I think it depends on the Desktop environment. If XFCE devs don't make XFCE fully Wayland-ready (right now it's only at experimental stage) then people running XFCE will still be on X11.

Not sure,

That sounds like the tail wagging the dog, I would guess that if Debian as an organization decided that Debian 15 (as an example) was moving to Wayland primarily and dropping Xorg then the DE's would either fall in line and be fully Wayland compliant or they would be obsoleted. Perhaps it's not that cut and dried but it's certainly a grey area of authority. In the end everyone bends the knee to Red Hat's agenda (or forks themselves into a corner) eventually.. We won't know for sure until we get there..

Miracles sometimes happen, MATE resurrected Gnome 2, Trinity resurrected KDE 3. I think there will be a very strong case for keeping X11 around for a very long time in some way or another..

Posted: **Sat May 24, 2025 11:33 am**

AVLinux wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 10:55 am
asqwerth wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 9:33 am
AVLinux wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 9:20 am Hi,

If I understand correctly the choice of Wayland or X11 will largely depend on what Debian does upstream .........
I think it depends on the Desktop environment. If XFCE devs don't make XFCE fully Wayland-ready (right now it's only at experimental stage) then people running XFCE will still be on X11.
Not sure,

That sounds like the tail wagging the dog, I would guess that if Debian as an organization decided that Debian 15 (as an example) was moving to Wayland primarily and dropping Xorg then the DE's would either fall in line and be fully Wayland compliant or they would be obsoleted. Perhaps it's not that cut and dried but it's certainly a grey area of authority. In the end everyone bends the knee to Red Hat's agenda (or forks themselves into a corner) eventually.. We won't know for sure until we get there..

Miracles sometimes happen, MATE resurrected Gnome 2, Trinity resurrected KDE 3. I think there will be a very strong case for keeping X11 around for a very long time in some way or another..

While X11 is in maintenance mode upstream and no longer getting any new feature updates aside from security updates, X11 would still need ongoing maintenance from the distro side most likely and think Debian X11 team still up to the task?

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2025 2:09 pm**

Well if they go Wayland, there won't be much of choices because it looks like everyone else is going to it to. So if they do, guess its back to Apple I go...

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2025 2:25 pm**

jc7006 wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 2:09 pm Well if they go Wayland, there won't be much of choices because it looks like everyone else is going to it to. So if they do, guess its back to Apple I go...

Debian's approach has always been tried and true. It would be out of character for them to abandon X11 before Wayland is bullet proof and it's not there yet by a long chalk.

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2025 4:58 pm**

Thanks for everyone's participation in this thread, a Mod can close it when they want. Thanks Again.

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2025 5:07 pm**

We don't generally close threads. You can mark it solved by clicking on the checkmark button in the post that holds the answer.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 9:19 am**

I guess its not solved or I'm blind. Don't see a check mark on any post, lol. It finally showed up after posting this. Thanks for everything.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 10:31 am**

Most likely your post count. Users with few posts don't get all the features.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 12:43 pm**

I took a ride on Labwc in Sparkylinux Testing, I worked to have a configuration that looked like Icewm or JWM a little, the real satisfaction was put some piece from Archlinux ... but it is not yet comfortable, for now I remain with X11.

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