Change of Plan: MX Moksha 23.6 Released!

[AVLinux]

What is the password for activating GUFW ?

On a live session it would be 'demo', on an install whatever you put as your User password and what you would normally use for any sudo permission elevations.

[Aceediq]

@AVLinux precarious state of things? Could you explain? Well, I highly believe your decision to make this release was commendable since linux has seasonal upheavals when releasing major distro versions, so this release would give us a protection from the linux cycle storms and also if there are any bugs, it would be based on a final release not a RC release...

and I don't know if this is a bug or it is just how enlightenment/moksha works, is it now possible to use any picture from any folder as wallpaper?

"Precarious" meaning I can't just run a build script and get a fully functioning ISO on Trixie because Debian, MX and Moksha are all in a rapid state of change and there are numerous missing pieces right now.

As far as wallpaper it is not a bug, Enlightenment/Moksha have to convert any images you want to use as backgrounds to their own native 'edj' format. So you use Menu-->Settings-->Wallpaper

Then click the 'Picture" button and find the image file you want and click 'Use' to convert it to an edj file.

edj format? there are so many sorts and variations of walled gardens in linux despite it being championed as 'open source' ...why can't one have a decent sized vanilla flavoured cake instead of cupcakes of different flavours?


also, I just came across a frustrating issue in moksha, you can't scale diagonally using the top left corner, it seems you can only use the bottom right corner

and at this point of using moksha, I am sure it is a bug on enelightenment, when you want to connect to a wifi and the password dialog box pops up, once you start typing, if you do anything else such as toggling the show password checkbox, you can't complete or make corrections to the wifi password...

[AVLinux]

edj format? there are so many sorts and variations of walled gardens in linux despite it being championed as 'open source' ...why can't one have a decent sized vanilla flavoured cake instead of cupcakes of different flavours?

Haha, yes exactly! This is what happens when there is nobody herding the cats... Open source, open ideas, freedom to make choices both good and bad and these type of things are the messy and glorious result...

[Aceediq]

edj format? there are so many sorts and variations of walled gardens in linux despite it being championed as 'open source' ...why can't one have a decent sized vanilla flavoured cake instead of cupcakes of different flavours?

Haha, yes exactly! This is what happens when there is nobody herding the cats... Open source, open ideas, freedom to make choices both good and bad and these type of things are the messy and glorious result...

:facepalm: let me just rant make a comment, not directed at you though


open, open, open good and bad huh? messy and glorious just like eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, I don't think having the choice and most importantly the ability to be a detriment or cause a regression is something to be proud about...I believe it all becomes ashes if there is no redemption

[AVLinux]

@Aceediq

I hear and understand you are frustrated that nothing is suited to your specific needs, I have felt the same many times and you are right, this gives birth to more Distros and more fragmentation but that is the 'two-edged sword' of free choice. I simply make my projects to suit my somewhat specialized needs and once they are working well I share them in the hope that perhaps others have similar needs and that they can benefit from the work. However, I do not make things to order or by request and I am extremely limited in what I can even fix or improve so anything posted here by me is 'use at your own risk' and as an example if you have concerns about Moksha then talk to the Moksha developers on their Discord channel, they are extremely friendly and accommodating:

https://www.bodhilinux.com/#

In the future here and elsewhere it would probably be more useful to both yourself and other readers to separate functionality issue reports from opinions and rants. There is an active chat section in the forum better suited to those sorts of topics.

For the record it appears that Moksha upper left corners are indeed horizontal only, however upper right corners do increase window size diagonally.

[Aceediq]

@Aceediq

I hear and understand you are frustrated that nothing is suited to your specific needs, I have felt the same many times and you are right, this gives birth to more Distros and more fragmentation but that is the 'two-edged sword' of free choice. I simply make my projects to suit my somewhat specialized needs and once they are working well I share them in the hope that perhaps others have similar needs and that they can benefit from the work. However, I do not make things to order or by request and I am extremely limited in what I can even fix or improve so anything posted here by me is 'use at your own risk' and as an example if you have concerns about Moksha then talk to the Moksha developers on their Discord channel, they are extremely friendly and accommodating:

https://www.bodhilinux.com/#

In the future here and elsewhere it would probably be more useful to both yourself and other readers to separate functionality issue reports from opinions and rants. There is an active chat section in the forum better suited to those sorts of topics.

For the record it appears that Moksha upper left corners are indeed horizontal only, however upper right corners do increase window size diagonally.

I know, I know...that you indulge me most time is a good trait though, you didn't allow the disdain and irritation that comes with most linux devs to taint you...mx devs are very accomodating though, far better than antix despite being relatives

also what I am not okay with is not things being bespoke to me, it is that there is not enough lego blocks provided creating a lock in or nerfing of some sorts while still flying the 'open' banner...that's borderline deception

yeah, I am on avlinux because of your approach, you don't try to enforce any lock in of yours, you provided the .deb softwares with some of your tweaks, made your custom thunar actions almost, if not totally DE agnostic, you welcome changes and decisions that influences your line of action, that should be the linux spirit, what else would I want, even when you provided cinlerragg, you gave your thoughtful reasons, while also providing kdenlive

as for the window resizing, big thanks, I was wondering when you would say something about that...but shouldn't all this quirky but kinda infuriating traits be stated as part of the feature of a product in linux...at least let us be well informed of what is presented

sincerely if I knew of this quirky feature and that palette nerfing I wouldn't try out moksha even though it trumps enlightenment in more ways than enlightenment trumps moksha...

but now that I know of moksha's advantages, I am staying on moksha till further notice

and if I may ask what handles rendering on moksha picom or compton mod?

ps: I am not frustrated, I didn't come to linux after being evangelized or brainwashed after watching a youtube video or being peer influenced, worked with other msoft users for about 3years in an NGO without issues...over 4 years going and I have only met about 2 or 3 people using linux as their OS, maybe only 1 out of those 2 or 3 doesn't dualboot with windows...I have come across about 2 distros that hibernates properly without further tinkering from me, I hibernate far more than I shutdown, the nerds/purists can keep the statistics that advice against that on their walls...I currently use a 5th gen laptop that 75% of the time, and I am being very generous, doesn't boot past the mx logo without tripping off and goes on that cycle for a while till when it boots completely, previously on moksha RC2, it did that for about 5 or 6 cycles before booting completely but after installing moksha 23.6, it got so bad that even yesterday it did that continuously for close to an hour before I put it to rest, I have checked RAM and what have you, still no improvement...

so I really need hibernation more than I have needed it before but when I think of rebooting after tinkering with UUID, I settle with suspending for now...

so when you talked about me being frustrated, it felt off

[AVLinux]

Hmmm, I never use Suspend or Hibernate and I never test them, they have been broken on Linux kernels uncountable times so I avoid it completely. RC2 and 23.6 use the same kernel and are 99% alike there is no reason for them to behave differently in that regard

As far as compositing, although the module is called 'ComptonMod' it now uses picom and picom and picom conf are included on the ISO, all you need to do for compositing is turn on the ComptonMod module..

So Menu-->Settings-->Modules--->"Look" tab--->ComptonMod, then load that module

[Aceediq]

Hmmm, I never use Suspend or Hibernate and I never test them, they have been broken on Linux kernels uncountable times so I avoid it completely. RC2 and 23.6 use the same kernel and are 99% alike there is no reason for them to behave differently in that regard

As far as compositing, although the module is called 'ComptonMod' it now uses picom and picom and picom conf are included on the ISO, all you need to do for compositing is turn on the ComptonMod module..

So Menu-->Settings-->Modules--->"Look" tab--->ComptonMod, then load that module

do you experience split second lags or delays on moksha...it seems like moksha is slower than avl mxe on my end...a tad bit

[AVLinux]

Not that I've noticed, however I like fairly slow fades with compositing. Picom could behave differently than Enlightenment's native compositor on a given system.

[i_ri]

i chose wallpaper MokshaZenithal.
Catch Orphan Xload monitor mXgreen
sneaks in around conky when this command is Run on MXeMoksha

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xload -update 4 -jumpscroll 1 -bg '#733800' -fg '#557331' -geometry -110-48