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trawglodyte wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 6:47 pm The OP claimed that "most" new laptops being sold had 4G of RAM. This was an easy claim to fact-check, which I did and found NONE of the best-selling laptops on Newegg had 4G, in fact MOST had 16G with 32G being the next most common.

OP's unrealistic claims also imply that Finland is somewhere on the tail end of the PC innovation pipeline and that 8 GB machines are somehow rare or unfathomably difficult to obtain.

I'd like to offer the counterpoint that Remedy, the studio behind games like Control and the Max Payne series, is based out of Espoo, outside of Helsinki. They've been in business since the mid-1990s. There are several other Finnish game development studios that could also bear mention who don't seem to have this problem.

New laptops in Finland may only top out at 4GB... at the price OP is willing to pay for them. Overall, OP is trying to paint the picture of Finnish electronics as bleak, outdated, and being left behind by consumption-driven free software projects (Are free software developers known for being notoriously avaricious?) Instead, he simply makes himself sound angry, regressive, and cheap.

I mean even Raspberry Pi has a 8GB non-expensive machine, https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-4-8gb.html Oops that was even the previous generation, this is the current one https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-5-8gb.html

If you buy in this day an age a 4GB machine and you are not dying of hunger, shame on you.

DukeComposed wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:12 pm OP's unrealistic claims also imply that Finland is somewhere on the tail end of the PC innovation pipeline and that 8 GB machines are somehow rare or unfathomably difficult to obtain.
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Overall, OP is trying to paint the picture of Finnish electronics as bleak, outdated, and being left behind by consumption-driven free software projects (Are free software developers known for being notoriously avaricious?) Instead, he simply makes himself sound angry, regressive, and cheap.

More strawmans. I never wrote anything like that.

But I have actually fixed people's computers and I know that people buy mostly stuff that are below the middle price segment. Also, the computers that people actually use tend to not be the newest models. That probably also applies to other places than Finland.

Adrian wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:23 pm I mean even Raspberry Pi has a 8GB non-expensive machine, https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-4-8gb.html Oops that was even the previous generation, this is the current one https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-5-8gb.html

If you buy in this day an age a 4GB machine and you are not dying of hunger, shame on you.

As I wrote in the first message of this thread:

samwdpckr wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 5:32 pm My opinion is that the developers of free software should target hardware that actually exists out there. That's the only way how free software can actually reach more users. The current direction leads to a situation where free software can only be ran on "specialized" computers that cannot be bought from normie PC stores.

And you cannot even build Firefox on that Raspberry thing.

My opinion is that the developers

My opinion is that developers should not care about your opinions.

samwdpckr wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:33 pm
And you cannot even build Firefox on that Raspberry thing.

FF is available for Raspberry Pi's (AArch64). https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/a ... 4-aarch64/

siamhie wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:46 pm

samwdpckr wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:33 pm
And you cannot even build Firefox on that Raspberry thing.

FF is available for Raspberry Pi's (AArch64). https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/a ... 4-aarch64/

So?

Reading this topic it strikes me we should have an opinion subforum.

Definition: Belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

Sadly it seems that even the MX Linux community has been infiltrated.

On the FAQ page it clearly reads:

Lots of other distros are dropping their 32-bit versions. What about MX?

MX has no plans to discontinue 32-bit releases for the foreseeable future.

And still even developers here write answers that implies the complete opposite.

This is how free software loses users and destroys itself. Nothing can be trusted. Even software updates may break a perfectly functioning system because the new version of some package requires some newer instruction set extensions that the host CPU doesn't have. And the developers don't see a problem, because they are on a mission to intentionally destroy everything.

samwdpckr wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:54 pm

siamhie wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:46 pm

samwdpckr wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:33 pm
And you cannot even build Firefox on that Raspberry thing.

FF is available for Raspberry Pi's (AArch64). https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/a ... 4-aarch64/

So?

Then why did you bring it up in the first place?