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Re: Cannot Install Wine
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 5:25 am
by Michael_
Well after working with FL 11 for a couple hours it seems to work okay.
But there are some factory audio files missing and opening the demo project results in errors as shown in the picture in my last post.
Of course i'm a bit worried if i can trust the app in this condition.
If someone has any ideas what i could try please let me know. Otherwise i think i have to leave it like that for now.
Maybe any log files that could be of interest?
Re: Cannot Install Wine
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 10:38 am
by Kester
This is just a suggestion that may be useful if you have old Windows operating system discs and provides an alternative to Wine. Setr up Windows as a virtual operating system using VirtualBox or similar. I run Windows XP professional this way (albeit with it isolated from the internet) and run a number of old windows programs in it - it also allows be to access certain peripherals not compatible with Linux. Dual booting is another option but that might be a step too far for some.
Re: Cannot Install Wine
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 11:16 am
by Michael_
Kester wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:38 am
This is just a suggestion that may be useful if you have old Windows operating system discs and provides an alternative to Wine. Setr up Windows as a virtual operating system using VirtualBox or similar. I run Windows XP professional this way (albeit with it isolated from the internet) and run a number of old windows programs in it - it also allows be to access certain peripherals not compatible with Linux. Dual booting is another option but that might be a step too far for some.
Well it already seems to run good enough to not deal with a VM.
A VM would also be not ideal for doing Audio Work. Assuming it does work good enough the workflow would still suck.
I had a dual boot until now but i decided to not do that anymore starting with this new machine.
Long Term Plan is looking at Bitwig Studio and hoping this will be a good native linux replacement.
So again if someone has an idea what this could be and how to fix it please let me know.
I would also happily provide logs if you tell me which ones.
Otherwise i will ignore the error and missing audio files for now and hope this is really all that's not working correctly.
But i'm sure it could be fixed as its working fine on other linux distros.
Re: Cannot Install Wine
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 11:16 am
by Nokkaelaein
Kester wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:38 am
This is just a suggestion that may be useful if you have old Windows operating system discs and provides an alternative to Wine. Setr up Windows as a virtual operating system using VirtualBox or similar.
This is generally a good way to go, for many purposes where a compatibility layer for running the binaries directly isn't working well. However, in this particular case, there is a HUGE catch: professional digital audio workstation software needs to have rock solid audio hardware implementation and stable, predictable, efficient low-latency driver support. Virtualization in Virtualbox or similar will not really work for that. If the idea is not to run such software in such a manner that they should react to user input in realtime, it can work (in the sense that you do get sound out of it, after a little pause, when pressing play
, hearing the project, using just a regular driver with ample buffers). For realtime stuff that this software is most often used for, not so much.
Re: Cannot Install Wine
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 4:58 pm
by Michael_
I think i got a bit further with this but i still need help.
To recap i get this error message when loading the demo project:
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Access violation at address 00000000004A5702D in module 'Harmor_x64.dll'. Read of address 000002D4C22BE910.
I now started fl from terminal using:
When opening the Demo Project i get this error in the terminal:
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0128:err:winediag:NtCreateFile Too many open files, ulimit -n probably needs to be increased
0128:fixme:thread:GetThreadUILanguage : stub, returning default language.
0128:fixme:nls:RtlGetThreadPreferredUILanguages 00000038, 0055C1E4, 00000000 0055C20C
0128:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x38 0x407 0055C1E4 00000000 0055C20C) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0128:fixme:nls:RtlGetThreadPreferredUILanguages 00000038, 0055C1E4, 8631A680 0055C20C
0128:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x38 0x407 0055C1E4 8631A680 0055C20C) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0128:fixme:thread:GetThreadUILanguage : stub, returning default language.
0128:fixme:nls:RtlGetThreadPreferredUILanguages 00000038, 0055C1E4, 00000000 0055C20C
0128:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x38 0x407 0055C1E4 00000000 0055C20C) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0128:fixme:nls:RtlGetThreadPreferredUILanguages 00000038, 0055C1E4, 85EFA680 0055C20C
0128:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x38 0x407 0055C1E4 85EFA680 0055C20C) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0128:fixme:thread:GetThreadUILanguage : stub, returning default language.
0128:fixme:nls:RtlGetThreadPreferredUILanguages 00000038, 0055C1E4, 00000000 0055C20C
0128:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x38 0x407 0055C1E4 00000000 0055C20C) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0128:fixme:nls:RtlGetThreadPreferredUILanguages 00000038, 0055C1E4, 85973350 0055C20C
0128:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x38 0x407 0055C1E4 85973350 0055C20C) returning a dummy value (current locale)
According to ChatGPT this line is interesting:
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0128:err:winediag:NtCreateFile Too many open files, ulimit -n probably needs to be increased
ChatGPT suggested increasing the limit but all the solutions it gave me did not work including
returns
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bash: ulimit: open files: Kann die Grenze nicht ändern: Die Operation ist nicht erlaubt
I'm not an MX Linux expert. Does somebody know how i can increase this limit?
I think there is a pretty high chance that this is my issue.
Re: Cannot Install Wine
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 8:56 pm
by wdscharff
Google (NOT chatAIGPTmurks ;-} ) said:
https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-inc ... pen-files/
theres a lot of links to the theme "ulimit", also in german ;-}
Re: Cannot Install Wine
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 9:13 pm
by Stevo
If you're not bound to FL Studio, AVLinux may be able to suggest an alternative. I think you really should be running a Liquorix kernel for the low latency, too, usually a prerequisite for audio work.
Re: Cannot Install Wine
Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 3:55 am
by Michael_
I found this article to be pretty confusing / not very easy & straight forward.
This helped me fix it in the end:
https://github.com/ethereum/go-ethereum/issues/17312
But i did it a little different.
1. Open Terminal and execute: (You can also use nano etc.)
2. Below (this might vary a bit depending on your configuration):
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#* soft core 0
#root hard core 100000
#* hard rss 10000
#@student hard nproc 20
#@faculty soft nproc 20
#@faculty hard nproc 50
#ftp hard nproc 0
#ftp - chroot /ftp
#@student - maxlogins 4
add: (replace with your username)
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michael soft nofile 100000
michael hard nofile 200000
3. Save (will ask for root password)
4. Reboot
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FL Studio 11 is now working fine, no more errors when loading the demo project.
I will now try the Liquorix kernel to see if i really get lower latency with that. :)
Re: Cannot Install Wine
Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 6:04 am
by Michael_
Michael_ wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 3:55 am
I will now try the Liquorix kernel to see if i really get lower latency with that. :)
The answer to this question is NO. The performance is even a bit worse and i found the reason by accident.
The Liquorix Kernel limits my maximum CPU Clock Speed to 2 GHZ which is the base clock speed. In other Words it disables Turbo Boost.
Reverting back to the Standard Kernel Turbo Boost is enabled and working again letting me get speeds up to 4.7GHZ.
Needless to say that 2GHZ is rather low for realtime audio production.
But this is also a limitation of my system (W9-3595x with 60 cores, 120 Threads & 512GB RAM) which is not perfect for Audio Processing to begin with because from what i understand this CPU/Platform has a somewhat higher latency in general.
Running FL Studio in Wine doesn't make things better. I need 4096 samples Buffersize to run the demo project. Smaller Projects i can run with 512 samples.
In Bitwig i can get down to 128 samples with a few minor dropouts but still very usable or 256 samples and the demo project plays perfectly.
But i kinda expected this and it's not an issue because this is not the main application for this system.
Running multiple Virtual Machines is. And from what i read i should probably better stay away from the Liquorix kernel for that and if i prioritize Stability & Reliability in general.
Re: Cannot Install Wine
Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 9:15 am
by Michael_
Michael_ wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 6:04 am
The Liquorix Kernel limits my maximum CPU Clock Speed to 2 GHZ which is the base clock speed. In other Words it disables Turbo Boost.
Reverting back to the Standard Kernel Turbo Boost is enabled and working again letting me get speeds up to 4.7GHZ.
I need to correct myself since this is not entirely true.
If using "cpupower" it reports that the max clock speed is 2 GHZ. I cannot set the minimum clock speed above 2GHZ using "cpupower" when using Liquorix Kernel.
BUT inxi -Fz still reports some cores clocking at 3 to 4 ghz under load. So it seems like it does NOT disable Turbo Boost but still prevents me from setting a higher min clock frequency than 2 GHZ. With the Standard Kernel it allows me to do this though.