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Re: 32-bit version won't boot on 64-bit machine

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:36 pm
by chrispop99
fehlix wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:12 pm
chrispop99 wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:07 pm
oops wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:07 am ... You should try first with an old kernel (ex: 6.1.xx) ... what is your current version kernel for the X32 snapshot ?
I should have mentioned that this is booting live from USB.

Chris
Was the installation performed on a dos or gpt partiontable. If gpt, best to have as first a 1MB bios_grub partition setup,
otherwise bios/mbr-grub loader may have difficulties to find it's core.img loader on the drive.
Not installed; it fails to boot live.

Chris

Re: 32-bit version won't boot on 64-bit machine

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:47 pm
by Adrian
Error message, or black screen? Where does it fail?

Re: 32-bit version won't boot on 64-bit machine

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:54 pm
by fehlix
Still a bit unclear (for me):
chrispop99 wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:07 pm I should have mentioned that this is booting live from USB.
and this:
chrispop99 wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:36 pm Not installed; it fails to boot live.
So not sure, how to read this.
OTOH, is it the same with dd-dumped LiveUSB or only with full-feature mode.
What the error you got? Only a blank screen or do you got the sys/isolinux LiveBoot menu? And it hangs later?

Re: 32-bit version won't boot on 64-bit machine

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:12 pm
by chrispop99
Adrian wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:47 pm Error message, or black screen? Where does it fail?
It gets as far as 'udev done' then goes to a black screen.

I've tried using Alt-F1 to see what the last message is, but it's too quick for me.

(Edit)

I videoed the boot process on my phone, and then played it in slow motion.
The last message before it fails is:

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Starting NetBIOS name server: nmbd
Chris

Re: 32-bit version won't boot on 64-bit machine

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:25 pm
by dolphin_oracle
that may be a graphics issue maybe? what kind of graphics hardware is on that machine.

Re: 32-bit version won't boot on 64-bit machine

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:47 pm
by fehlix
Suggest to enable the video card menu using F4-option vcard=menu at the LiveBoot menu.
You would see a selection menu of the found video cards.
That's just in case kms-modesetting made something so lightdm could get X convince to start.

Re: 32-bit version won't boot on 64-bit machine

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:44 pm
by putih
For black screen issue, during live boot menu
Remove default boot option. Leave it blank
select F6 fail safe
then manual log in demo / demo

startx

Re: 32-bit version won't boot on 64-bit machine

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:10 pm
by FullScale4Me
putih wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:44 pm For black screen issue, during live boot menu
Remove default boot option. Leave it blank
select F6 fail safe
then manual log in demo / demo

startx
That worked for me on MX 23.6 386.

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System:
  Kernel: 6.1.0-33-686-pae [6.1.133-1] arch: i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: failsafe
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.20.0 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.38 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm v: 4.20.0 vt: 1
    dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0 Distro: MX-23.6_386 Libretto April 13  2025 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12
    (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Portable System: Dell product: Inspiron N7010 v: A11 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Dell model: 08VFX1 v: A11 serial: <superuser required> BIOS: Dell v: A11 date: 03/31/2011
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 5.4 Wh (100.0%) condition: 5.4/5.3 Wh (100.7%) volts: 11.8 min: 11.1
    model: PANASONIC Dell type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: full
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core i5 M 460 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Westmere gen: core 1 built: 2010-11
    process: Intel 32nm family: 6 model-id: 0x25 (37) stepping: 5 microcode: 0x2
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 tpc: 2 threads: 4 smt: enabled cache: L1: 128 KiB
    desc: d-2x32 KiB; i-2x32 KiB L2: 512 KiB desc: 2x256 KiB L3: 3 MiB desc: 1x3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1197 min/max: 1199/2534 boost: enabled scaling: driver: acpi-cpufreq
    governor: ondemand cores: 1: 1197 2: 1197 3: 1197 4: 1197 bogomips: 20217
  Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT vulnerable
  Type: mds status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT vulnerable
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Unknown: No mitigations
  Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed status: Not affected
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines; STIBP: disabled; RSB filling; PBRSB-eIBRS: Not
    affected; BHI: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell driver: N/A alternate: i915
    arch: Gen-5.75 process: Intel 45nm built: 2010 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0046 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: Microdia 1.3 MPixel Integrated Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 1-1.4:3
    chip-ID: 0c45:641d class-ID: 0e02
  Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: xfwm v: 4.20.0 driver: X: loaded: vesa
    dri: swrast gpu: N/A display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1024x768 s-dpi: 68 s-size: 382x212mm (15.04x8.35") s-diag: 437mm (17.2")
  Monitor-1: default res: 1024x768 size: N/A modes: N/A
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 15.0.6 128 bits) direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Dell 5 driver: snd_hda_intel
    v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:3b56 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.1.0-33-686-pae status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.0 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
    tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Broadcom BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Dell Inspiron M5010 / XPS
    8300 driver: wl v: kernel modules: bcma pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 03:00.0
    chip-ID: 14e4:4727 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlan0 state: dormant mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v1.1 Fast Ethernet vendor: Dell driver: atl1c v: kernel pcie:
    gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: 2000 bus-ID: 04:00.0 chip-ID: 1969:2060 class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 148.54 GiB used: 2.15 GiB (1.4%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Verbatim model: Vi550 S3 size: 119.24 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 840N scheme: MBR
  ID-2: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 type: USB model: N/A size: 29.3 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 2.00 scheme: MBR
  SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure?
Partition:
  Message: No partition data found.
Swap:
  Alert: No swap data was found.
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 48.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2119 libs: 1053 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala,synaptic pm: rpm
    pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb https://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
Info:
  Processes: 235 Uptime: 2m wakeups: 2 Memory: 7.64 GiB used: 1.21 GiB (15.8%) Init: SysVinit
  v: 3.06 runlevel: 5 default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12
  Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)
Video Tweaks:
Nuke modules  drm_display_helper drm_buddy
Booting with MX 21.3 386 had no issues.

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System:    Kernel: 5.10.0-20-686-pae [5.10.158-2] i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
           parameters: quiet splasht nosplash 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.18.0 tk: Gtk 3.24.24 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm 4.18.0 vt: 7 
           dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: MX-21.3_386 Wildflower January 15  2023 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
Machine:   Type: Portable System: Dell product: Inspiron N7010 v: A11 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Dell model: 08VFX1 v: A11 serial: <filter> BIOS: Dell v: A11 date: 03/31/2011 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 5.4 Wh (100.0%) condition: 5.4/5.3 Wh (100.7%) volts: 11.8 min: 11.1 
           model: PANASONIC Dell type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: Full 
CPU:       Info: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5 M 460 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Nehalem 
           family: 6 model-id: 25 (37) stepping: 5 microcode: 7 cache: L2: 3 MiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 20216 
           Speed: 1211 MHz min/max: 1199/2534 MHz boost: enabled Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1211 
           2: 1338 3: 1227 4: 1295 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled 
           Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT vulnerable 
           Type: mds status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT vulnerable 
           Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI 
           Type: mmio_stale_data status: Unknown: No mitigations 
           Type: retbleed status: Not affected 
           Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable 
           Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
           Type: spectre_v2 
           mitigation: Retpolines, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected 
           Type: srbds status: Not affected 
           Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel 
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0046 class-ID: 0300 
           Device-2: Microdia 1.3 MPixel Integrated Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo 
           bus-ID: 1-1.4:3 chip-ID: 0c45:641d class-ID: 0e02 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 compositor: xfwm4 v: 4.18.0 driver: 
           loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1 
           Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1600x900 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 423x238mm (16.7x9.4") 
           s-diag: 485mm (19.1") 
           Monitor-1: LVDS-1 res: 1600x900 hz: 60 dpi: 106 size: 382x215mm (15.0x8.5") 
           diag: 438mm (17.3") 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics (ILK) v: 2.1 Mesa 20.3.5 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Dell 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:3b56 class-ID: 0403 
           Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.10.0-20-686-pae running: yes 
           Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 14.2 running: yes 
Network:   Device-1: Broadcom BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter 
           vendor: Dell Inspiron M5010 / XPS 8300 driver: wl v: kernel modules: bcma port: 1860 
           bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 14e4:4727 class-ID: 0280 
           IF: wlan0 state: dormant mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v1.1 Fast Ethernet vendor: Dell driver: atl1c 
           v: kernel port: 2000 bus-ID: 04:00.0 chip-ID: 1969:2060 class-ID: 0200 
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 134.18 GiB used: 1.82 GiB (1.4%) 
           SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required. 
           ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Verbatim model: Vi550 S3 size: 119.24 GiB 
           block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s type: SSD serial: <filter> 
           rev: 840N scheme: MBR 
           ID-2: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 type: USB model: 058f 6387 size: 14.94 GiB block-size: 
           physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 8.07 scheme: MBR 
           SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure? 
Swap:      Alert: No swap data was found. 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C mobo: 0.0 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 
Repos:     Packages: note: see --pkg apt: 1955 lib: 982 flatpak: 0 
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ bullseye main non-free
Info:      Processes: 201 Uptime: 9m wakeups: 2 Memory: 7.64 GiB used: 1.34 GiB (17.6%) 
           Init: SysVinit v: 2.96 runlevel: 5 default: 5 tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: N/A 
           alt: 10 Client: shell wrapper v: 5.1.4-release inxi: 3.3.06 
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)

Re: 32-bit version won't boot on 64-bit machine

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:02 am
by chrispop99
dolphin_oracle wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:25 pm that may be a graphics issue maybe? what kind of graphics hardware is on that machine.
Both affected machines use IntelHD onboard graphics.

Chris

Re: 32-bit version won't boot on 64-bit machine

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:05 am
by chrispop99
putih wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:44 pm For black screen issue, during live boot menu
Remove default boot option. Leave it blank
select F6 fail safe
then manual log in demo / demo

startx
Thanks; that allows the machine to boot. These machines are intended only for release testing, not for everyday use, so that would not be a good solution going forwards.

Chris
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