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Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:39 pm**

Hi AVL and MX'ers!

While working on the next AVL-MXe ISO I have done some refining and updates to some of the AV Linux Utilities, if you don't want to wait for the next ISO you can grab them now. These may also be of some interest to MX Linux Users who are doing multimedia work with MX. I want to acknowledge the kind and generous assistance of @Melber who perfected my napkin sketch of the PipeWire metadata utility and who recently helped make the previous CPU Governor utility much better as well. While I'm bragging about my MX friends I'll also give a big shout out to @dolphin_oracle , @fehlix and @Adrian who helped me immeasurably with improving the Live systemd ISO experience and customizing the MX Installer to accommodate Enlightenment's unique needs. These are NOT mandatory updates if you are happy with what you have..

*Note these should work on pretty much any Debian Bookworm-based system and maybe 'buntus too...?

First, the YADbridge front end for the yabridge Windows VST Plugin bridge. If you're not using AV Linux then this requires yabridge from it's website as well as Wine-Staging and YAD, AV Linux has this all in the box..

Updated Deb is here: https://bandshed.net/packages/AVL_MXe-2 ... -1_all.deb

Next, this updated CPU Governor utility originally based on work from @korakios is from older versions of AV Linux but if you don't particularly like the Enlightenment CPU gadget you can use this instead, it will be included in future releases of AVL-MXe.

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Updated Deb is here: https://bandshed.net/packages/AVL_MXe-2 ... -1_all.deb

Last, here are the basic PipeWire tools for AV Linux, this is not an update for AVL-MXe 23.2 but may be of interest to MX Users who want to tweak PipeWire..

Deb is here: https://bandshed.net/packages/AVL_MXe-2 ... -1_all.deb
*Note for pw-top to display from the menu you will want to install the 'terminology' terminal with Synaptic or MXPI

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:44 pm**

Wow, nobody? Not even to say they're crap and don't work? Apparently I'm quite delusional about the wider want/need for these types of things...

Posted: **Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:57 am**

I don’t do any multimedia work, but I think I understand what you are saying. You put a lot of effort into your multimedia workstation OS and it seems nobody cares.

I do think people care to some extent and maybe you can even measure your download numbers. It seems MX Linux still has respectable download numbers. It’s just that forum activity everywhere is pretty low these days except for some bigger forums like let’s say Linux Mint.

It seems people are busier than in the past. I have been tinkering with an updated LXQt respin that I am pretty pleased with. But since I don’t think I got any downloads/comments on my first respin I don’t think I will go through the trouble of making it suitable for a wider audience and instead keep it as a personal respin.

This will save me some work, but it is also a little bit boring. I see the same trend with other respins that are released on the MX forum. Hardly any comments (or downloads I suppose).

You benefit from ”official” status and filling a real need for multimedia creators, but all I can say is that forum activity is pretty low these days.

Linux is better than ever, but yeah that passionate vibe from the past is kind of missing. From what I have seen different Windows communities also seem to have lost activity and interest.

PS Have you tried multiload-ng applet/application from MX repo? It comes in handy for desktops with “strange” CPU applets. Its task manager entry in the right-click menu is currently hardcoded to lxtask, but that’s the only downside I know of. Well, it also doesn’t seem to work in Plasma panel for what it is worth. Anyway, lots of nice stuff in MX repos.

Posted: **Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:09 pm**

I seems as if the traffic here has subsided a fair bit after the extended malicious attacks on our servers recently that made it necessary to put up a wall of protection for a couple of weeks, but we had to do what was necessary to protect our site and the safety of our members.

I can tell you, the following 2 weeks were a little like ghost town around here and it will take some time before we see a resurgence, that is if we ever get back to where we once were. With the upsurge in malicious activity worldwide, folk are getting more wary of online accounts and for some, this would have triggered them to stop coming altogether. If we're under that kind of sustained attack, you can be sure there was a commercial interest behind it designed to take us down, but there again, any public facing site is a potential target.

That being said, I am glad you are working on refining some of the elements of your labour of love after that horrendous response you got in that post. Of a truth, we can never really know a persons struggles and doubts, nor their full potential, but what we found in that thread was people coming out of the woodwork who were using your builds.

Posted: **Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:39 pm**

dreamer wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:57 am I don’t do any multimedia work, but I think I understand what you are saying. You put a lot of effort into your multimedia workstation OS and it seems nobody cares.

I do think people care to some extent and maybe you can even measure your download numbers. It seems MX Linux still has respectable download numbers. It’s just that forum activity everywhere is pretty low these days except for some bigger forums like let’s say Linux Mint.

It seems people are busier than in the past. I have been tinkering with an updated LXQt respin that I am pretty pleased with. But since I don’t think I got any downloads/comments on my first respin I don’t think I will go through the trouble of making it suitable for a wider audience and instead keep it as a personal respin.

This will save me some work, but it is also a little bit boring. I see the same trend with other respins that are released on the MX forum. Hardly any comments (or downloads I suppose).

You benefit from ”official” status and filling a real need for multimedia creators, but all I can say is that forum activity is pretty low these days.

Linux is better than ever, but yeah that passionate vibe from the past is kind of missing. From what I have seen different Windows communities also seem to have lost activity and interest.

PS Have you tried multiload-ng applet/application from MX repo? It comes in handy for desktops with “strange” CPU applets. Its task manager entry in the right-click menu is currently hardcoded to lxtask, but that’s the only downside I know of. Well, it also doesn’t seem to work in Plasma panel for what it is worth. Anyway, lots of nice stuff in MX repos.

Hi,

Sorry, I had missed you were working on a LXQT spin, I agree with you that you'd think there would be some interest in that! But I also agree with you and feel there has been a major shift in things, the level of interest, the level of User curiosity and with it the drive to learn something new. The most exciting thing for me starting out was that I could now be involved on both sides of the screen and have a hand in designing and remaking what I was using. Sure, I had some Vendor lock-in issues with Windows but I never hated it, it just wasn't as fun as a learning playground especially when I started in early middle age, and perhaps it is age demographics that are coming into play here... I would say that most Linux-related web forums I am involved in have mostly been populated by late Boomers and Gen-X men that had done most of their growing up and learning years without computers and the interest developed at a later period in life as home computers became mainstream and useful tools. Perhaps the paradigm shift we're sensing is early millennials who have been raised with screens and also raised with problem-solving helicopter parents arriving with a 'device first' mentality and much less of the "how can I modify this and make it my own thing" mentality. Also forums are very quickly losing ground to Reddit, in my experience now when asking a technical question on Google the first results are all YouTube Videos followed by Reddit posts and after that maybe some web forums or Stack overflow type of stuff.

As far as being 'official' I'm not an official anything, I'm a farm boy and part-time musician who simply channeled innate mechanical curiosity into using various applications to build ISOs. As a niche product it scratched enough itches to get noticed in a small circle, I'm simply fortunate that the MX folks are generous and helpful which is why we're all here.. I certainly didn't make more friends by going to Enlightenment but I think that is really not the main issue at all, I think it has just better defined to me where new Linux Users are at and by and large they are at: make it easy, make it familiar and make it big and popular with every app I need like my mobile device and who can blame them? I have a real sense that my purpose has come full circle and I enjoyed supporting and facilitating the use a set of developing applications that went from extremely stunted to now on par with commercial software. When I look at my current dual-boot I have to laugh, I have Ardour, Audacity, AviDemux, GIMP, Hydrogen, Kdenlive, MPV and VLC all running very well on my WINDOWS partition.

LIke you have noted, I also have to start wondering if my tiny part in all of this is now over. I don't really need it for my ego... ego about what? I've essentially stood on the shoulders of giants and made several Linux mix-tapes...lol. I will say that harsh criticisms and entitled behaviors don't wound me to the core but I wonder if all of the stolen time to keep this going would not be better spent in a new direction. It is obvious something is afoot and times have changed as they always will.

*ADDED

@m_pav your kindness from my first post here until now has been very much appreciated, you make a great point about another challenge and how increased security saps User interest and the big question is, do they come back at all and will they come back to anything beyond this? For me if Reddit or Discord were the only games in town it would definitely tamp down my level of engagement..

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 2:27 am**

AVLinux wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:44 pm Wow, nobody? Not even to say they're crap and don't work? Apparently I'm quite delusional about the wider want/need for these types of things...

I don't use Yabridge nor Pipewire in my daily but IIRC I tried your CPU Governor utility and it works in Bookworm. However I've used either manually created shortcuts for switching governor, or more recently cpupower-gui - https://github.com/vagnum08/cpupower-gui/releases/ - which works ok so I didn't keep yours.
Intend to try the PW utility sometime in my Trixie install but don't go there often.

So the CPU Gov one works, sorry for not reporting back.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 12:09 pm**

Thanks @sunrat!

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2024 3:16 am**

AVLinux wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:39 pm LIke you have noted, I also have to start wondering if my tiny part in all of this is now over. I don't really need it for my ego... ego about what? I've essentially stood on the shoulders of giants and made several Linux mix-tapes...lol. I will say that harsh criticisms and entitled behaviors don't wound me to the core but I wonder if all of the stolen time to keep this going would not be better spent in a new direction. It is obvious something is afoot and times have changed as they always will.

*ADDED

@m_pav your kindness from my first post here until now has been very much appreciated, you make a great point about another challenge and how increased security saps User interest and the big question is, do they come back at all and will they come back to anything beyond this? For me if Reddit or Discord were the only games in town it would definitely tamp down my level of engagement..

Dear Glen,

I came upon this post when logging back on the forum after a few months of being swamped by other things, and I needed to catch up with what has been happening since I made my Pianoteq post. While I have discovered some really useful information, I have sadly also seen some posts where people could have put things, shall we say, differently.

What you have managed to do in creating and maintaining AVL is nothing short of remarkable, and I understand the above expression of frustration given some of the things I have read.

I am about to embark upon going all-in with AVL at work on our new production machine (pre- and post-production as well), as well as my new work laptop. I will be setting it up mostly for users who range everywhere from "Remember, you need to plug the video camera's power cable in here, and not into the AV OUT socket" (happened yesterday when I was on leave and the battery died during recording) all the way to someone who worked his way up to being an entertainment industry executive and who has mostly Mac experience.

The new machine should be ordered today or tomorrow and hopefully next week be installed in our rack. I have installed the latest AVL on three test machines now, and would be happy to share with you my set-up once it's all running and documented.

I have carefully read a number of your explanations regarding why you changed to Enlightenment, and am happy to work hard on it. It's just that one show-stopper I pointed out regarding something changing process priority outside of my control or wishes (viewtopic.php?p=786650#p786650).

If that can be solved, then most likely Enlightenment it is. If not, I shall work really hard at getting XFCE to work, but like you I am concerned about its scaling issue, among a few others. Either way, I am going to make this work in a multi-user environment and will feed back to you all my changes and the reasons why. I am on a rather tight time-line, and look forward to the end result, which I believe will be something truly special.

So, thanks again for everything you put in to making AVL the incredible collage it is — my hat is tipped in your direction.

8-)
John

Posted: **Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:48 am**

Last, here are the basic PipeWire tools for AV Linux, this is not an update for AVL-MXe 23.2 but may be of interest to MX Users who want to tweak PipeWire..

Hello Glen, is this package intended for non-AVL installs or will I benefit in AVL 23.1?

Posted: **Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:07 pm**

No, it is the same as what comes in AVL, it was put up in case MX Users wanted more visibility to their PipeWire installs.

Posted: **Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:18 am**

Hi Glen , it's nice seeing that the cpu governor utility got polished , although I saw "cpupower-gui" utility @sunrat suggested and it looks great :)
I don't use AVLinux anymore but it's the main reason I switched permanently to Linux !
I tried to run the latest live ISO but got some trouble . Since I mainly wanted to check the pipewire utilities there is no reason for troubleshooting .
I mainly wanted to suggest (and help if I can)
- a button for stopping pipewire creating the "annoying" monitoring playback devices for every input . It should help keeping qpwgraph cleaner (although I saw the latest version of qpwgraph has filtering options )

- An option to adjust resampling quality .If someone uses multiple audiocards (onboard. usb mic , webcam etc) for multimedia , lowering the resampling quality might help weak cpus .

Posted: **Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:19 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:39 pm . . . I also have to start wondering if my tiny part in all of this is now over. I don't really need it for my ego... ego about what? I've essentially stood on the shoulders of giants and made several Linux mix-tapes...lol. I will say that harsh criticisms and entitled behaviors don't wound me to the core but I wonder if all of the stolen time to keep this going would not be better spent in a new direction. It is obvious something is afoot and times have changed as they always will.
back to anything beyond this? For me if Reddit or Discord were the only games in town it would definitely tamp down my level of engagement..

I hope you don't give up on AV Linux, even if it is for mostly selfish reasons: I'm checking it out again after using it around 2015-2018 after doing what I could to use Manjaro for audio production. It's fine for that, or would be if I were also still young enough to want to spend as much time in config files as in synth patches, but it has become wearing to try to keep a rolling-release distro updated. Even a curated one, where updates rarely break anything: it's still an afternoon to read the update thread, backup the system, and download and install the packages, when I could have been using my limited energy to make music.

For what it is worth, the biggest change that I perceive is in how people use social media for tech support now. I see AV Linux mentioned quite often on the two Discord servers I frequent that are dedicated--mostly--to digital audio. Unfa's Discord especially: it has become the de facto "Linux audio help server", and anyone who asks about good distros for audio production will receive, overwhelmingly, two answers: AV LInux and Ubuntu Studio (or whatever Ubuntu's media spin is called now... I pay less than no attention to them).

Your life is your life, of course, but this other old Gen-X'er really hopes you don't give up on AV Linux. I don't know what your downloads are like, but my experience tells me that forums are just not as popular as more immediate, chat-like platforms.

You know, like IRC. :) The irony is not lost on me.

Myself, I'm fine with checking a few Discord servers, but I do miss the long form conversations of the old internet. If your distaste for Discord is not set in stone, you'd probably get a fair amount of engagement on Unfa's server, if that sort of thing helps keep you going. It's not as full of entitled users as some other Linux or Linux-adjacent platforms; quite a few devs hang out there as well and they don't put up with that any more than they used to, although many are a little more polite about it now than they might have once been.

I'll have to weigh in on the new utilities later. I'm still trying not to lose too much time and energy finding a place to install AV Linux. Buy another drive or rearrange all my data? This is not an easy decision!

Erik

Posted: **Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:32 am**

Maybe not directly relevant but I said I'd test it one day, finally got round to trying avl-mxe-pipewire-tools. My only Pipewire setup is Testing (Trixie) atm however. First had to install yad from sid as it's not currently in testing, but install went fine after that. Was able to change quantum and sample rate, show Wireplumber status, and view PW system info. But the Processes monitor failed to start; I resume that's just pw-top? pw-top works fine in terminal.

Posted: **Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:12 am**

sunrat wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:32 am Maybe not directly relevant but I said I'd test it one day, finally got round to trying avl-mxe-pipewire-tools. My only Pipewire setup is Testing (Trixie) atm however. First had to install yad from sid as it's not currently in testing, but install went fine after that. Was able to change quantum and sample rate, show Wireplumber status, and view PW system info. But the Processes monitor failed to start; I resume that's just pw-top? pw-top works fine in terminal.

Hi sunrat!

Thanks for checking them out, I appreciate your time!

I think the pw-top issue is that in my tools it specifically uses the Enlightenment 'terminology' terminal because it has some display features I really like and I don't think I made that a dependency so when you launch from the menu it doesn't find terminology and then fails. I'll have to consider what the best thing is to handle that, I don't want to get into maintaining multiple versions of these utilities.

Posted: **Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:21 am**

@erikjms

Thanks for your comments! I've moved on to some other projects for a few months and will see what the tea leaves say when I get back to actively working on AVL, I will always be working on an installable and deployable ISO version for myself because between my son and I we have several production machines and I always work on making it ready to potentially share beyond that. I'll have to weigh out at that time whether continuing wider distribution or expanding into customized MX XFCE4 and Plasma ISO's are worth the 'signal to noise' ratio.

Posted: **Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:10 pm**

korakios wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:18 am Hi Glen , it's nice seeing that the cpu governor utility got polished , although I saw "cpupower-gui" utility @sunrat suggested and it looks great :)
I don't use AVLinux anymore but it's the main reason I switched permanently to Linux !
I tried to run the latest live ISO but got some trouble . Since I mainly wanted to check the pipewire utilities there is no reason for troubleshooting .
I mainly wanted to suggest (and help if I can)
- a button for stopping pipewire creating the "annoying" monitoring playback devices for every input . It should help keeping qpwgraph cleaner (although I saw the latest version of qpwgraph has filtering options )

- An option to adjust resampling quality .If someone uses multiple audiocards (onboard. usb mic , webcam etc) for multimedia , lowering the resampling quality might help weak cpus .

Hi there, nice to hear from you!

I'm curious about the 'trouble' you ran into on the ISO unless by trouble you mean 'Enlightenment'?...lol(notlol)

It's hard to say how far to go with PipeWire utilities, at this point I'm just thinking to make general things more visible to the User, most Distros have no visible PipeWire tools so what we have already + qpwgraph is a big step. If people want to get into resampling for different Audio devices and stuff like that they probably are better off with the PipeWire documentation, it will be a tiny use-case. Another factor is a lot of people who are doing Pro-level recording are not using any Desktop Audio servers and simply using the DAW ALSA backends (I do this all the time) I haven't personally used JACK, Pulse or PipeWire to record for many years so it's generally annoying to have to tweak this stuff into a Pro Audio context when it isn't necessarily the best option..

Posted: **Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:38 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:10 pm
korakios wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:18 am Hi Glen , it's nice seeing that the cpu governor utility got polished , although I saw "cpupower-gui" utility @sunrat suggested and it looks great :)
I don't use AVLinux anymore but it's the main reason I switched permanently to Linux !
I tried to run the latest live ISO but got some trouble . Since I mainly wanted to check the pipewire utilities there is no reason for troubleshooting .
I mainly wanted to suggest (and help if I can)
- a button for stopping pipewire creating the "annoying" monitoring playback devices for every input . It should help keeping qpwgraph cleaner (although I saw the latest version of qpwgraph has filtering options )

- An option to adjust resampling quality .If someone uses multiple audiocards (onboard. usb mic , webcam etc) for multimedia , lowering the resampling quality might help weak cpus .
Hi there, nice to hear from you!

I'm curious about the 'trouble' you ran into on the ISO unless by trouble you mean 'Enlightenment'?...lol(notlol)

It's hard to say how far to go with PipeWire utilities, at this point I'm just thinking to make general things more visible to the User, most Distros have no visible PipeWire tools so what we have already + qpwgraph is a big step. If people want to get into resampling for different Audio devices and stuff like that they probably are better off with the PipeWire documentation, it will be a tiny use-case. Another factor is a lot of people who are doing Pro-level recording are not using any Desktop Audio servers and simply using the DAW ALSA backends (I do this all the time) I haven't personally used JACK, Pulse or PipeWire to record for many years so it's generally annoying to have to tweak this stuff into a Pro Audio context when it isn't necessarily the best option..

I'll open a new topic for troubleshooting , Enlightenment (I was a bit surprised you moved away from xfce ) ,isn't an issue since I can't even login

As for the Desktop Audio servers, I agree that ALSA is the most common usage since most people on audio production have a dedicated soundcard .Tweaking pipewire is nightmare , it's so modular that you have to look in scattered different places for a single feature. It took me a whole day tofind a way to disable the monitoring devices ...

PS I found another utility for Pipewire (if needed for AVL or MX in general)
https://github.com/magillos/Cable

Posted: **Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:14 pm**

korakios wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:38 pm
I'll open a new topic for troubleshooting , Enlightenment (I was a bit surprised you moved away from xfce ) ,isn't an issue since I can't even login
As for the Desktop Audio servers, I agree that ALSA is the most common usage since most people on audio production have a dedicated soundcard .Tweaking pipewire is nightmare , it's so modular that you have to look in scattered different places for a single feature. It took me a whole day tofind a way to disable the monitoring devices ...

Agree, I'm no fan of PipeWire at all, I just had to acknowledge it was happening and try to work with it..

There were a lot of problems with latest AVL and Login because lightDM would appear as fully dimmed and not visible when booting with sysvinit but booting with systemd fixes this and since Enlightenment is developed with systemd in mind future AVL ISO's will boot (and install) to systemd, this is already working in development. It is very odd that you experienced this with Live ISO boot though, the issue I mentioned was for people who installed AVL, not running live. The Live ISO should simply load to Desktop and autologin but it does take several seconds for the Desktop to set up it's config and appear.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:18 am**

@AVLinux this might be off topic but I have an enquiry

I have the AVL 23.1 version on a USB, would it be okay to install that version and update my way to AVL 23.2 and the latest packages?

edit:
I previously used a Sony VAIO vpcs123fg and the AVL 23.1 iso worked fine preinstallation, post installation and everything in between

now I laid my hands on a HP elite book 8460p and it doesn't boot live after selecting the AVL option in the grub menu...maybe it will still boot completely but I couldn't wait due to battery running low, I will try again when connected to a power source...

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:34 am**

As @AVLinux wrote, there were a few issues with the 23.1 ISO.

If you don't want to deal with these, install the 23.2 ISO.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:38 am**

seriousness wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:34 am As @AVLinux wrote, there were a few issues with the 23.1 ISO.

If you don't want to deal with these, install the 23.2 ISO.

oh really, I was thinking on cutting down data costs, I am close to the equator, though prices might look cheap when converted to dollar equivalent...things aren't that affordable for most people...

~6gb is a lot

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:51 am**

Hi,

I'm sorry but there were some pretty vital permissions issues on 23.1 that couldn't be fixed with package management alone, I very strongly recommend 23.2. Is there a way I can help you with the data cost?

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:33 am**

AVLinux wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:51 am Hi,

I'm sorry but there were some pretty vital permissions issues on 23.1 that couldn't be fixed with package management alone, I very strongly recommend 23.2. Is there a way I can help you with the data cost?

wow, is there a way you can help me with data costs? YES, if you are willing, why would I turn down help to my benefit?

but at the same time, I haven't received international payments and so I only have a paypal account I opened because I could open it...

but paypal blacklisted my country for a long time that after they allowed us to have accounts, we could not withdraw the funds to our local bank accounts...what is my country? I heard our president was the number three man on the most corrupt presidents in the world...

...all the same I am willing to open what payment systems you suggest...

alright, about AVL 23.1, I tried several installations yesterday, up to 5 times or more, no issue with installations but once the system reboots after installation, it says no boot device found, I was astonished! What kind of error was this? I haven't been beaten by any laptop when it came to OS installation before and despite how small a market share linux had, they have all installed and booted...

so I had to do what most linux gurus no longer have strengths and patience for...tinkering with linux till it works for you...

but long story short, the issue was most likely with the hp 8460p laptop, I came across a linux mint forum thread that talked about the no boot device found error and a user who had same laptop I have commented...

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=424061#top

and I quote:

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My Elitebook 8460P has the same issue. It's due to the HP early UEFI implementation. You must install Linux in legacy mode with secure boot turned off. If you are dual booting with windows, you also have to install windows in legacy mode as well. Hope it works out for you, good luck.

and he also suggested a solution which I haven't tried

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic. ... art=20#top

and I quote:

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Hello again, I just remembered that Ventoy does not work for this as the Ventoy stick uses UEFI to boot. If you have access to another Linux computer use the built in image writer on another usb stick and it should work fine. Sorry about that!

it is seldom we in linux find people who use same device, same ISO installation method and same linux OS...

but I decided to wait on trying out the solution because I have lost about 2 or 3 8gb flash drives, when linux ISO's were crossing the 2gb mark, to the rufus way of making bootable ISOs which is why I went Ventoy...even sd cards I got same time period are still operational, I admit I might have exhausted the write limit due to intensive testing of linux distros and windows modded ISO's but it was all unexpected for me, I have never had genuine/original storage drives fail me before...I know it might be advised against but I still use my bootable USB's as normal flash drives storing information...

if I am going to use rufus, I will have to get AVL 23.2 first....

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:25 am**

Aceediq wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:33 am but paypal blacklisted my country for a long time that after they allowed us to have accounts, we could not withdraw the funds to our local bank accounts...

Hi,

I'm sorry to hear about this situation, unfortunately PayPal is my only avenue for this..

Perhaps this may be of interest.. I'm working on an interim AV Linux "Greatest Hits" ISO, it will not be a full release and it's intention is to refine the installation experience with Enlightenment with systemd from live boot through to install and to make a more generalized Enlightenment MX build. It will still have a multimedia focus but when I say 'Greatest Hits' I mean one main application for every use instead of a multitude of choices. It will also present a refined set of File-Manager agnostic Custom Actions instead of only for Thunar. It will still lean on some supplemental AppImages so we're not talking as small as MX but I'm hoping for 4Gb or less.

It will save a bit of Data bandwidth at least. My only holdup is that I'm testing some LXQT substitutions and finishing work on the File Actions but I'm expecting to release within the next 2 weeks.

As far as your HP, sounds like you're on the right track unfortunately my specialty is the multimedia stuff and assembling ISO's I'm no more knowledgeable about Booting, Graphics and Networking than your average 'Nixer..

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:18 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:25 am
Aceediq wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:33 am but paypal blacklisted my country for a long time that after they allowed us to have accounts, we could not withdraw the funds to our local bank accounts...
Hi,

I'm sorry to hear about this situation, unfortunately PayPal is my only avenue for this..

Perhaps this may be of interest.. I'm working on an interim AV Linux "Greatest Hits" ISO, it will not be a full release and it's intention is to refine the installation experience with Enlightenment with systemd from live boot through to install and to make a more generalized Enlightenment MX build. It will still have a multimedia focus but when I say 'Greatest Hits' I mean one main application for every use instead of a multitude of choices. It will also present a refined set of File-Manager agnostic Custom Actions instead of only for Thunar. It will still lean on some supplemental AppImages so we're not talking as small as MX but I'm hoping for 4Gb or less.

It will save a bit of Data bandwidth at least. My only holdup is that I'm testing some LXQT substitutions and finishing work on the File Actions but I'm expecting to release within the next 2 weeks.

As far as your HP, sounds like you're on the right track unfortunately my specialty is the multimedia stuff and assembling ISO's I'm no more knowledgeable about Booting, Graphics and Networking than your average 'Nixer..

yo! I'll get you my paypal if need be, there will be ways to deal with the issue if I ask around, my only request is that you send it as family and friends...

you underestimate the impact of AVL in people's lives, no matter how fringe we are, when I got the hp, in my mind I was a child, I was like I get to install AVL on my rig and get to know it better through everyday use...I never liked ubuntu studio, because like I have stated before, it gave of the vibes that it was just another 'buntu flavour, it didn't give off the vibe that it was meticulously crafted like AVLinux and KX studio and I don't like 'buntus though I used Xubuntu a lot back then...

your help will make it happen in 2 days max, once I get it, and you think I won't grab it with both hands?...

and maybe I was not clear on the situation:
> use paypal freely
> blacklisted on paypal totally
> no longer on blacklist but we couldn't withdraw directly to local accounts, we can spend it though or use third party to get it locally for a fee...this is where we currently are...

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:42 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:25 am
Aceediq wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:33 am but paypal blacklisted my country for a long time that after they allowed us to have accounts, we could not withdraw the funds to our local bank accounts...
Hi,

I'm sorry to hear about this situation, unfortunately PayPal is my only avenue for this..

Perhaps this may be of interest.. I'm working on an interim AV Linux "Greatest Hits" ISO, it will not be a full release and it's intention is to refine the installation experience with Enlightenment with systemd from live boot through to install and to make a more generalized Enlightenment MX build. It will still have a multimedia focus but when I say 'Greatest Hits' I mean one main application for every use instead of a multitude of choices. It will also present a refined set of File-Manager agnostic Custom Actions instead of only for Thunar. It will still lean on some supplemental AppImages so we're not talking as small as MX but I'm hoping for 4Gb or less.

It will save a bit of Data bandwidth at least. My only holdup is that I'm testing some LXQT substitutions and finishing work on the File Actions but I'm expecting to release within the next 2 weeks.

As far as your HP, sounds like you're on the right track unfortunately my specialty is the multimedia stuff and assembling ISO's I'm no more knowledgeable about Booting, Graphics and Networking than your average 'Nixer..

one main application for each use, something to look forward too...and though I complained about the size but you shouldn't see it as something you need to deal with, you use appimages significantly, I also use appumages significantly too, infact all the apps I use are the appimage versions, when I was on windows, my preference was to have my installation file, till now I still don't buy into the linux idealogy of apps sharing similar resources, I want standalone apps, which is why snaps and flatpak would be trash to me any day any time...

so obviously ISO's would get bigger, when shipping games, audio and video apps is a necessity, ISO's being big is no longer a talking point...

yes, making your actions DE independent is a welcome development but the downside is that whoever installs it on a non AVL distro would have to have the apps those actions are tied to, if not we might be seeing breakages where there shouldn't be...

and lastly, lxqt, I see it as a KDE's small brother, one of the big issues between qt and gtk is the theme, would you be able to handle it, you might need to make themes system wide, notwithstanding if it is a gtk or qt application...a system wide theme might seem like an utopian dream truthfully but I would advise that even if you can't do it, please try to make the themes on qt, gtk, and enlightenment similar...most themes have qt and gtk versions though...

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:32 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:25 am I'm expecting to release within the next 2 weeks.

2 weeks in this age? That's a lot, I'm a late millenial but tech was intertwined in my upbringing, there's was a time, I needed to download AVL iso and you posted that a new version would be out in about 3 weeks to a month, I downloaded the ISO available then, a month later, I downloaded the newly released one...you may not believe

if I remember correctly, it was during the switch from xfce to enlightenment...

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:05 pm**

@Aceediq

PM me your details and I'll arrange something (won't be anything spectacular) to help offset the Data, your choice how you use the bandwidth but I'd strongly suggest holding out for the next 'Greatest Hits' ISO at this point *NOTE optional other packages will be in the AVL-MXe packages archive FTP.

I've found LXQT very appealing but there will be no ISO any time soon, in the meantime @dreamer has done a great job on LXQT and you can always install liquorix kernel and packages from the AVL-MXe packages FTP if you want to try a LXQT spin.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:59 pm**

AVLinux wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:05 pm @Aceediq

PM me your details and I'll arrange something (won't be anything spectacular) to help offset the Data, your choice how you use the bandwidth but I'd strongly suggest holding out for the next 'Greatest Hits' ISO at this point *NOTE optional other packages will be in the AVL-MXe packages archive FTP.

I've found LXQT very appealing but there will be no ISO any time soon, in the meantime @dreamer has done a great job on LXQT and you can always install liquorix kernel and packages from the AVL-MXe packages FTP if you want to try a LXQT spin.

sent a pm...

yeah...I might be able to hold out for the 'Greatest Hits', if my hp doesn't get in line, I just tried installing from a flashdrive with ISO burnt by rufus...still same error...it's almost 5am here, I might need to take a nap, I'll try installing windows to know if this hdd or OS issue or laptop issue...

Posted: **Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:55 am**

@AVLinux while I still battle the 'no boot disk' ish, I installed windows about two different times with no issues...

there is this issue I have on this hp 8460p on live USB AVL, the mousepad doesn't have click function but it has a two finger scroll feature but on windows, the mousepad has click functions but no two finger scroll functions on a fresh windows install, without installing specific mousepad drivers...

the mousepad buttons work well on both windows and AVL...

any ideas?

Posted: **Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:11 pm**

Hi, I'm sorry for such an individual machine that I can't test it's difficult to say:

- Is it possible for you to create the boot disk with MX Live USB Maker? That is all I ever test with (other than ISO tests in Virtual Machines)
- You have disabled secure boot in the UEFI settings?
- A longshot is to update the live system to a newer kernel and then install, I think in a Live session MX Tools allows a 'Live Remaster' function (I've never tested it)
- AVL-23.2 still installs to boot with sysvinit, on some systems after install lightDM would be fully dimmed and present as a black screen but there would be no error message.

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