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Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:10 pm
by m_pav
Please post your feedback here about our MX-Base Personal Respin ISO's recently announced in our blog.
  • MX-19.2_x64.iso - Xfce 64-bit
  • MX-19.2_base_386.iso - Xfce 32-bit
  • MX-19.2_flux_base_386.iso - Fluxbox 32-bit
We'd love to hear how you might use them in Single use/purpose environments, or how you might put them to work.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:44 pm
by jsalpha2
I might try MX-19.2_x64.iso - Xfce 64-bit. One of the first thing I do on a new install is to un-install all the things I never use.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:51 pm
by dolphin_oracle
jsalpha2 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:44 pm I might try MX-19.2_x64.iso - Xfce 64-bit. One of the first thing I do on a new install is to un-install all the things I never use.
I think that should be MX-19.2_base_x64.iso. the name without the base is our usual full version.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:26 am
by BitterTruth
I've just been on the download page and it says:
This is a personal respin, it's not officially supported by MX Linux.

It's meant to be a "Swiss Army knife" type of Linux running live mostly for sysadmins and people
who want to have a highly customizable Live USB/DVD that is able to run different recovery and admin tools.

This ISO is NOT meant for installation. While this is possible, it's not recommended, especially that
for convenience purpose sudo is configured to give full access without a password.
I was hoping to install it on a hp compaq nx6310. It's running Lubuntu nicely (if a little slow). The laptop gets used as 'youtube' laptop for my dad to watch his playlist videos. Nothing else. Ive tried the antiX base but it woudln't install and didn't come with xfce.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:32 am
by BitterTruth
Secondly, I've clicked on the 19.2_base x64.iso link but it doesn't go through with the download. It takes me to the 'your download will start shortly', but then after the countdown it brings me back to the 'Browse Files' page. No download/save dialog box.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:42 am
by JayM
BitterTruth wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:32 am Secondly, I've clicked on the 19.2_base x64.iso link but it doesn't go through with the download. It takes me to the 'your download will start shortly', but then after the countdown it brings me back to the 'Browse Files' page. No download/save dialog box.
I get the same thing. There's only one mirror right now, JZT KFT in Hungary. which may be having problems We may need to wait a day for more mirrors to be available.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:44 am
by asqwerth
BitterTruth wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:26 am I've just been on the download page and it says:
This is a personal respin, it's not officially supported by MX Linux.

It's meant to be a "Swiss Army knife" type of Linux running live mostly for sysadmins and people
who want to have a highly customizable Live USB/DVD that is able to run different recovery and admin tools.

This ISO is NOT meant for installation. While this is possible, it's not recommended, especially that
for convenience purpose sudo is configured to give full access without a password.
I was hoping to install it on a hp compaq nx6310. It's running Lubuntu nicely (if a little slow). The laptop gets used as 'youtube' laptop for my dad to watch his playlist videos. Nothing else. Ive tried the antiX base but it woudln't install and didn't come with xfce.
That's MX Workbench's description, not MX BAse. Have you clicked on the correct link?

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:45 am
by PPC
BitterTruth wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:32 am Secondly, I've clicked on the 19.2_base x64.iso link but it doesn't go through with the download. It takes me to the 'your download will start shortly', but then after the countdown it brings me back to the 'Browse Files' page. No download/save dialog box.
Yep, same thing here... I reported this on the post about the release of that spin, too...

P.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:48 am
by BitterTruth
It's going to be a looooooong wait! LOL. In the meantime: How do we get sudo to run with a password (for desktop use purposes)?

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:26 am
by m_pav
Thanks for the heads up. I apologise for the errors in the direct download links. I would have fixed them sooner, but I had a 7 hour drive to complete.

The Direct download links have been fixed, though the sourceforge link above them would have worked just fine and is in fact the better choice so users can download the signature and checksum files along with the ISO's ;)

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:33 am
by BitterTruth
Can confirm that the sourceforge links are still not working for me at present. m-pav, appreciate all your hard work so far, mate.

Edit: I can download the mx19.2_base_x64.iso.md5sum file but not the iso itself.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:47 am
by JayM
All of the isos do the same thing. The smaller files can be downloaded. I still think it's a mirror server issue as I see that there have been 81 total downloads of the x64 iso but they're not working now. We just need to wait either for that mirror's server to be fixed by its sysadmin or for the files to become populated to alternate mirrors.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:29 am
by m_pav
@BitterTruth - check your PM's

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:43 am
by Fritx
Very nice, especially in combination with MXPI. Should become official in my opinion.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:53 am
by asqwerth
m_pav wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:56 am I just uploaded a 6-7 minute screencast that shows how to use the installer within Fluxbox and added a little bit more information about the Base ISO's....

It shows how when iDesk populates the Desktop, it doesn't include any extra contents within the /home/demo/Desktop folder and that is why the installer icon does not display when running live.....

https://youtu.be/NkouyKJltIM
m_pav made an intro video as well!

Extract from his post in the non-public Devs' subforum.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:19 am
by BitterTruth
First things first. Managed to download it (eventually). Made a live usb using gnome disks (easy for me) and tried it on compaq nx6310. Working good.

I'm really liking the splash screens you made (not a fan of the Plymouth ones).
Starts really fast. Everything working on the live usb out of the box except 2 issues:

1) wifi wasn't working. Had to check back with the previous installed linux (lubuntu). Figured out lubuntu was using the 'wl' driver. Restarted the live session, went to mx network assistant and unblocked the 'wl' driver from the blacklist, even though it was showing as 'loaded'. Instant wifi after that.
ANY REASON WHY IT IS BLOCKED/BLACKLISTED BY DEFAULT?

2) After making a few minor changes, I tried to switch the panel to horizontal desktop using the welcome box. Panel disappeared. Tried to undo changes but came back with error (see image). I was able to log out by right clicking desktop. Logged back in with demo account and panel was back.

EDIT: After installing, the wifi no longer works.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:46 am
by joseph.giannaci
trying to downlod 'MX-19.2_base_x64.iso'
gives me 'MX-19.2_September_x64.iso'
is this correct?

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:53 am
by Jerry3904
No. Open the folder Community_Respins--or click the links provided in the Blog, in the Announcement here on the Forum, on Facebook or Twitter.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:04 pm
by BitterTruth
Sorry Michael. Couldn't get it to work, I'm afraid. Wifi is dead after install, tried a few things but no joy. Going back to Lubuntu (well, I'm giving Xubuntu a try first)

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:14 pm
by Senpai
m_pav wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:10 pm Please post your feedback here about our MX-Base Personal Respin ISO's recently announced in our blog.
  • MX-19.2_x64.iso - Xfce 64-bit
  • MX-19.2_base_386.iso - Xfce 32-bit
  • MX-19.2_flux_base_386.iso - Fluxbox 32-bit
We'd love to hear how you might use them in Single use/purpose environments, or how you might put them to work.
Sorry, I always ask for weird things ...
Is it possible to have a 64-bit ISO with only Fluxbox? It would be ideal to install / test other DEs and see how they work with MXLinux
Greetings from Senpai

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:22 pm
by m_pav
BitterTruth wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:19 amANY REASON WHY IT IS BLOCKED/BLACKLISTED BY DEFAULT
Please do not shout.

I have never seen that before though my systems do not use the WL driver. Booting up base64 in VBox, the only blacklisted drivers are particular Broadcom drivers.

Here's something you might not know, but that might assist in the future. If you have enough RAM, when running live, go ahead and check for updates, then install everything and answer Y if presented (you will be asked because a VirtualBox update has been rolled out).

The updates will not be wasted because whatever system changes you make will be integrated when the installer is run, and for the Base ISO's, there is a switch to a more efficient driver stack which came out just after I finished building the ISO's. Where low level driver changes are concerned, a reboot is always the best policy, which is effected post install.
Desktop changes are not automatically integrated, there's a checkbox for that in the installer if you want to use it.

In my experience, desktop aberrations such as the display not "painting" the latest change are 75% related to drivers and on your particular laptop, you might be better off switching to the 4.09 LTS kernel, it will be better matched to your processors capabilities.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:27 pm
by mrhalloween
I can't download MX-19.2_base_x32.iso or MX-19.2_base_x64.iso. I am redirect back to https://sourceforge.net/projects/mx-linux/files/ in both Brave browser and Firefox.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:01 pm
by Jerry3904
Then click on the Community Respond folder to open it.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:32 pm
by BitterTruth
Please do not shout.
Apologies. I was trying to make it stand out, shouldv'e used bold instead.
I have never seen that before though my systems do not use the WL driver. Booting up base64 in VBox, the only blacklisted drivers are particular Broadcom drivers.

Here's something you might not know, but that might assist in the future. If you have enough RAM, when running live, go ahead and check for updates, then install everything and answer Y if presented (you will be asked because a VirtualBox update has been rolled out).

The updates will not be wasted because whatever system changes you make will be integrated when the installer is run, and for the Base ISO's, there is a switch to a more efficient driver stack which came out just after I finished building the ISO's. Where low level driver changes are concerned, a reboot is always the best policy, which is effected post install.
Desktop changes are not automatically integrated, there's a checkbox for that in the installer if you want to use it.

In my experience, desktop aberrations such as the display not "painting" the latest change are 75% related to drivers and on your particular laptop, you might be better off switching to the 4.09 LTS kernel, it will be better matched to your processors capabilities.
There's been all sorts of things going on. I've been playing with it all day and like I said it was my dad's daily driver laptop (for all that he only watches his youtube playlist on it), so when I got excited and installed the MX19.2_base iso on it and wiped the Lubuntu off it, he wasn't too pleased when it didn't work.

I have the broadcom bcm4322 wifi in it. Funny thing is during the live session, loading the 'wl' driver worked (that's why i got excited and installed it). My home networks and my phone hotspot were detected. After the install and subsequent restart, however, neither was working so I unloaded the 'wl' driver and loaded the b43. Bam! phone hotspot working but home wifi still not working. I blacklisted the other drivers and did all the updates followed by a reboot. Still no home wifi. Tried some of the suggestions in the other MXlinux threads and Ubuntu ones, watched Dolphins video on it, no joy.

The issue with the panel never came back. I must have reinstalled the iso about 7/8 times now, if not more. I've selected 'save desktop changes' during installation so I don't know why it removes the 'wl' driver after reboot. I found something here which might be of interest to you:

viewtopic.php?f=92&t=36348&start=30 (post #34) something about broadcom-sta-dkms package not being on the iso image.

You may be right about the kernels, although Lubuntu 20.04.1 is using the 5.4 kernel which works. For what it's worth, i ran it on VBox before putting on the compaq and it ran really well on my ThinkpadT410.
Also, the splash screen during the live session startup doesn't come up after installing. It would be nice to have that same 'quiet splasht splash' parameter permanent.

Anyway, i hope that's enough feedback for you.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:36 pm
by Jerry3904
After it's installed, can you use MX Network Assistant to correct the driver?

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:10 pm
by JayM
The x64 iso is downloading today. After installing in VirtualBox I had some screen flicker when changing the focus between two open window. I ran MX Tweak, Compositor tab, changed VBlank from "auto" to "xpresent" to stop the flicker. Other than that, no problems. It's basically bog-standard MX Linux only with things like LibreOffice, GIMP, VLC, Clementine not preinstalled. It seems faster to boot too, though I don't know why that would be so. It seems to be very stable. I haven't seen any glitches or gotchas so far.

Now I want to try the 32-bit Fluxbox-only version to see how that was done as MX Fluxbox depends a lot on Xfce for stuff such as Featherpad and Thunar. I'm curious if m_pav substituted a non-DE-specific text editor and file manager or what. :smile:

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:02 pm
by JayM
Ah, I see how it was done. MX Fluxbox is just the default X session instead of Xfce. I can still log out and select Xfce from the "peanut icon" in LightDM Greeter and get the standard MX desktop.

Speaking of desktops, this version of the base respin doesn't like VMSVGA video default in VirtualBox. After installing the guest editions, rebooting the guest, then auto-resizing the guest display nothing ever happens, and if I restart after the attempt to resize the guest display I get a (small) black screen with a mouse cursor instead of the desktop. I had to change the VM's display settings to VBoxSVGA to get it to work. Hope this will help others.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:06 am
by BitterTruth
@jaym yes I've been setting it to vboxsvga for the past few times as well and I've probably setup 10 or 15 different linux VM with different distros in the last few days. So it's not just this iso or mx19.2. We did get a vbox update a couple of days ago but even my previous version was the same. Vbox has moaned and given me the 'invalid settings detected' every time but it works well if I leave the 3d acceleration unchecked. My resolution is pretty good, stays after reboot and i can resize properly too.

EDIT: The boot time seemed slightly faster to me as well which led me to wonder if some modules, drivers were not being loaded but I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to tell :)
m_pav has made a lot of suble tweaks (and obviously put a lot of work in) like in the installer when you type the password the 'bullet point' characters are larger and the red and green colours for password check are more vivid for me.

It would be nice to get a list of what has been removed/tweaked when he has time.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:02 am
by nbarrera
Hi guys, I tried to install mx linux 19 on a 4gb ssd old drive.
I found the installer asks at least 6gb free for the root partition.

I thought this mx base would be lighter and maybe fit into such a small size requirement but no.. I found the exact same limit of 6gb.

I 've researched before asking and found this recommendation:
viewtopic.php?t=42981#p422325

which I tired to follow but still got the same 6gb restriction.

maybe 4gb is too few even for this "base" version of mx, is this be true?

thanks!

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:05 am
by dolphin_oracle
4gb is probably too small, but you can override the size check in /usr/share/gazelle-installer-data/installer.conf if you are feeling lucky.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:02 am
by nbarrera
after trying to put limit down to 3gb on that conf file I was not able to select the partition for root

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:33 am
by dolphin_oracle
nbarrera wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:02 am after trying to put limit down to 3gb on that conf file I was not able to select the partition for root
hmm not sure, its supposed to override the size check.

this is the line to change

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#default smallest size to search for installable partitions
MIN_ROOT_DRIVE_SIZE=6000
4gb is probably still pushing it unless you use a compressed btrfs file system,

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:46 am
by m_pav
When measured using gparted, the disk space occupied straight after installing and before the machine is started for the first time is 4.55GB, then after having booted into it once without doing anything else, shutting down and re-measured, it grows to 4.58GB. This is because the users /home folder is created and populated and some additional content is created to facilitate normal operation

Additionally, when the Ext4 partition is formatted prior to the installation, the standard procedure is to reserve a percentage for free space and 2% is the value applied. This reservation is vital when small partitions are involved, and the Linux standards are 5%, so they have already been tuned by our team to be more akin to the sizes of drives available today.

Furthermore, upgrades take space, that's how it is, and not provisioning sufficient free space will result in a hung system.

The absolute smallest partition I would use for / is 8GB and it would need a 2GB Minimum of swap.

If you wish to occupy a partition smaller than 8GB, then you really need to be looking at a LiveHD frugal install wnich will keep the highly compressed state of the linuxfs file that is otherwise expanded when doing a regular install.

Please see https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/frugal-installation/

----- EDITED ----- Original post had measurements from the wrong ISO, now corrected

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:59 am
by nbarrera
Yes, I 've tried with that option, no luck yet...

But I 'm more and more convinced that as you said 4gb is too small.

I 've been reading more on the subject in the forum and I think I will try a frugal_static install on the 4gb ssd.
maybe I will start making questions about it on a separate thread

sorry guys,
thanks for your support

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:09 am
by dolphin_oracle
nbarrera wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:59 am Yes, I 've tried with that option, no luck yet...

But I 'm more and more convinced that as you said 4gb is too small.

I 've been reading more on the subject in the forum and I think I will try a frugal_static install on the 4gb ssd.
maybe I will start making questions about it on a separate thread

sorry guys,
thanks for your support
there is one other thing you might try, although its a little weird.

you could just use live-usb-maker to take over the entire 4GB drive on the system just like you would a live-usb. there is an option to not filter out internal drives in live-usb-maker. It would essentially be just like a frugal install without having to mess around with a boot loader. but it will wipe and repartition the entire drive just like it does with live-usb devices. I've done this in virtualbox machines but never on real hardware, so its just theoretical at the moment.

you wouln't have a whole lot of room left for updates and persistence files though. you would need to remaster early and often.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:01 am
by agnivo007
By any chance is the 4GB SSD a SATA DOM? Quite popular component in thin clients and industrial appliances...
I've been looking for a 8/16/32GB one but hard to get here, also quite niche old product.

If you are successful in tuning the min install partition size, try the brtfs-lzo as suggested, I'm also eager to know the results!

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:12 am
by agnivo007
BTW, installed the XFCE-base-x64 on my thin client (see signature) and experience is - rock solid and faster boot times than the official xfce release.

Removed some stuff like adobe-flash,advert-block,mc,xfburn,mx-docs,extra icon themes.
Bluetooth and scanner services disabled as I have no use.
Cleaned up with bleachbit root (usual + removed locales except EN), updated all stuff.
Installed plymouth hamara theme (boot looked too naked, got used to plymouth, lol)
Disk usage stands at 4.9GB now. So far, looks this would be my daily driver on the thin client PC.

SUGGESTION: Remove tango-icon-theme and faenza-icon-theme, they show no dependencies while removed and save 100MB on installed space.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:24 am
by asqwerth
Are you sure tela icons were preinstalled? I don't even think it's in our repos, let alone Debian's.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:28 am
by agnivo007
I might have mistaken as I did that yesterday, but whatever it was, that's the last entry in appearance>icons section on a clean install.

Update: It is tango-icon-theme, corrected earlier post.

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Start-Date: 2020-10-13  11:47:29
Commandline: apt-get -o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 remove -y faenza-icons
Requested-By: roy (1000)
Remove: faenza-icons:amd64 (0.1.0mx19)
End-Date: 2020-10-13  11:47:45

Start-Date: 2020-10-13  11:48:46
Commandline: apt-get -o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 remove -y tango-icon-theme
Requested-By: roy (1000)
Remove: tango-icon-theme:amd64 (0.8.90-7)
End-Date: 2020-10-13  11:48:52

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:22 pm
by m_pav
agnivo007 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:12 amCleaned up with bleachbit root (usual + removed locales except EN), updated all stuff.
I hope you used the locales tool to uncheck all the unwanted locales first
agnivo007 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:12 amSUGGESTION: Remove tango-icon-theme and faenza-icon-theme, they show no dependencies while removed and save 100MB on installed space.
While no deps are listed for the tango theme, I found it was used for at least one element, though I can't remember which one, so I retained it in the ISO.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:34 pm
by agnivo007
I might have removed stuff that tango icons were linked to, however faenza had no links as I remember and removing it shaved off 80MB.

Overall, nice build. Thanks.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:18 am
by agnivo007
Okay, might be unrelated, but need some help.

What is the plymouth theme that is used when live iso boots? Cyan and yellow color scheme, text based info along with progressing dots?
Can anyone point me to the download or the theme name or even a zip file of the theme folder please?

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:06 am
by asqwerth
That's not plymouth at all. It's something in-house.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:39 am
by agnivo007
Care to share if that can be had instead of naked boot by default given it's not plymouth theme?

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:55 am
by asqwerth
You'll have to wait for dolphin, anticapitalista, mybe fehlix or bitjam to come online to explain.

It's called tsplash and meant only for the live system. As I understand it, the live system does not use grub to boot up so if one wanted something other than the normal scrolling text during boot, we couldn't use plymouth. I have no idea if the converse is possible, ie using tsplash when booting with grub.

First introduced in MX19.

https://mxlinux.org/blog/mx-19-patito-feo-released/

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:30 am
by agnivo007
Thanks asquerth, looking forward for more dev. explanations. (for understanding and learning)

In the meantime, I found a good collection of small plymouth themes with lots of OEM logos.
Here: https://github.com/gevera/plymouth_themes

Looks like a great match for underpowered hardware. Installed the HP logo one, looks good so far on the HP Thin Client T610!

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:46 am
by dolphin_oracle
Right now the live text boot splash is only on the live system.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:54 am
by tony37
asqwerth wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:55 am As I understand it, the live system does not use grub to boot up so if one wanted something other than the normal scrolling text during boot, we couldn't use plymouth.
I think the live system has its own grub. If you open the .iso with an archive tool, it's in /boot/grub

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:23 am
by dolphin_oracle
the live system uses syslinux for legacy booting and grub for UEFI booting.

we do not include plymouth in the live initrd, preferring to keep the live initrd as close as possible to antiX.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:56 am
by Justinian
I got MX-19.2_flux_base_386 as a replacement for MX-19.2_August_386 on a Pentium M laptop with no hard drive. This time I was able to create a fully live USB system instead of read-only via dd in Maker. Tested first on a Core2 Duo and then brought to the laptop where Flux went up in just a minute and a half. Was impressed with how fast Firefox 81 launched. After adding SMPlayer this stick will be the perfect system for the laptop.

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System:    Host: <filter> Kernel: 4.19.0-11-686-pae i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 
           parameters: quiet splasht nosplash 
           Desktop: Fluxbox 1.3.7 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: MX-19.2_flux_base_386 patito feo Sept 28  2020 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
           model: ARIMA S62044L type: Unknown serial: <filter> status: Charging 
CPU:       Topology: Single Core model: Intel Pentium M bits: 32 type: MCP arch: M Dothan 
           family: 6 model-id: D (13) stepping: 8 microcode: 20 L2 cache: 2048 KiB 
           flags: nx pae sse sse2 bogomips: 1196 
           Speed: 600 MHz min/max: 600/1600 MHz Core speed (MHz): 1: 600 
Graphics:  Device-1: AMD RV410/M26 [Mobility Radeon X700] vendor: Rioworks driver: radeon 
           v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 1002:5653 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: ati,radeon unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa 
           resolution: 1280x800~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: ATI RV410 v: 2.1 Mesa 18.3.6 direct render: Yes 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 28.90 GiB used: 1.19 GiB (4.1%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda type: USB vendor: Kingston model: DataTraveler 3.0 size: 28.90 GiB 
           block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B serial: <filter> rev: PMAP scheme: MBR 
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Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:06 am
by chrispop99
Justinian wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:56 am I got MX-19.2_flux_base_386 as a replacement for MX-19.2_August_386 on a Pentium M laptop with no hard drive. This time I was able to create a fully live USB system instead of read-only via dd in Maker. Tested first on a Core2 Duo and then brought to the laptop where Flux went up in just a minute and a half. Was impressed with how fast Firefox 81 launched. After adding SMPlayer this stick will be the perfect system for the laptop.
I've done a lot of testing before release on a Pentium M, and it is surprisingly good. I too add SMPlayer, plus DeadBeef for music, and Slimjet for browsing. I found it quite good fun trying to get the best out of such an old machine.

Chris

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:31 pm
by m_pav
Justinian wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:56 am I got MX-19.2_flux_base_386 as a replacement for MX-19.2_August_386 on a Pentium M laptop with no hard drive.
Nice!. You just reminded me of 3 small old machines I had lying around that I had forgotten about. Crazy that I built the ISO but totally forgot about the netbook and the 2 tablets, probably because the tablets were so troublesome. Gonna dig them out and try them now. Thanks for reminding me :happy:

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:47 am
by agnivo007
Will updated snapshots and new releases come out for this in the future? In line with MX releases... like to know.
Want to make this my daily driver for thin-PC and make a custom iso for future use.

Also, any revisions will ever be done (like further slimming, etc. changes) on the iso?

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:12 pm
by agnivo007
With MX 19.3 around the corner, I hope update of the Base edition would follow too (take your time)? I know online upgrade is possible, but a lot of packages involved for those who start fresh.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:39 pm
by m_pav
I'm keeping tabs on it all, hoping to update the base ISO's and test them on some hardware I have hanging around before releasing them. I'll be testing on 2 Intel Celeron based Intel NUC machines, 2 Hybrid Tablet/Netbooks, an Asus Transformer T100T and a very troublesome Lenovo MIIX 310, and a Samsung NC210 Netbook.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:42 pm
by AVLinux
Hi,

Just wanted to say I used the 32bit minimal version of this last week to reload an old machine I had unsuccessfully tried to crossgrade from pure Debian to MX, just could not get Snapshot to fully work...*shrugs . It was great to just have the essentials and not have to spend an hour uninstalling stuff. I ran into a couple of issues that I have encountered in all XFCE variants of MX: viewtopic.php?f=97&t=59372

Otherwise these are a great option to have available, thanks so much for all of the hard work that went into them!!

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:54 pm
by agnivo007
Good to know that base edition will be actively developed and revised... many thanks for the time and effort you're putting into it and checking on diverse targeted hardware.

I wonder if MX admins are considering making the BASE edition an official flavour... cause there is a significant userbase.

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:29 am
by Danrobi
agnivo007 wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:54 pm
I wonder if MX admins are considering making the BASE edition an official flavour... cause there is a significant userbase.
+1

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:09 am
by agnivo007
Hope some surprise lies in December!

Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:39 am
by Senpai
m_pav wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:39 pm I'm keeping tabs on it all, hoping to update the base ISO's and test them on some hardware I have hanging around before releasing them. I'll be testing on 2 Intel Celeron based Intel NUC machines, 2 Hybrid Tablet/Netbooks, an Asus Transformer T100T and a very troublesome Lenovo MIIX 310, and a Samsung NC210 Netbook.
Hi m_pav:
I know it is a lot to ask, but both for underpowered machines and for users to try other desktop environments in MX and give suggestions and help to MX developers to move MX forward in its development with other environments,
It would be great to have a 64-bit and 32-bit ISO of MX, only with Fluxbox, but without Xfce, with some basic programs as it has now but without dependencies on any desktop environment and made from the base of MX.
It sure comes out better than my Fluxbox-only Respin attempt without Xfce which you can see here viewtopic.php?f=127&t=62431, my Respin works perfectly but has some problems with keyboard language choice and UI language when creating a Respin with MX-Snapshop from another language installation, you can see the problem here viewtopic.php?f=127&t=64116.

Best regards from Senpai


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Re: Feedback thread for MX-Base ISO's

Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:45 pm
by m_pav
Sent you a PM