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to be honest, AHS fixes more problems than it causes. for instance, ryzen and amd graphics are a mess with the default debian stuff.

KDE is old enough as it is, I've no intention of having to fight thru all the ryzen and amd graphics questions that led us to create AHS in the first place all over again.

SwampRabbit wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:41 pm You can’t just grab an old blog post and quote it trying to pick something apart... I mean you could but I guess I don’t get what you are trying to do and why?

AHS has long left the “experimental” stage from when that blog post was created.

You are no doubt correct, but Jerry3904 was telling me that there's more than enough info about ahs, but this info seems to be either absent (in manual) or outdated (in blogposts).
And most people will not even search for ahs because they won't be aware they can do something wrong by picking the only download option available (in case of MX KDE).

MX doesn't have a reputation for having the newest of the newest, so it feels like a weird choice to have only a very recent kernel as download for KDE. But if that's the choice, ok, but just putting something like "For older hardware, installing the Debian 4.19 kernel may work better" on the download page may help a lot.

I just need to throw this in here... I've felt a bit lost over the last several years after finally being forced to abandon my MEPIS 11 install and go with another native KDE OS (which soon thereafter was abandoned as well). It's worked well enough, but it still wasn't like the comfortable slippers that MEPIS used to be, and it sure doesn't have the kind of forum support that MEPIS and MX have had. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of MX and have used it myself on my laptops and have installed it for others, but for my primary workaday machine I just can't seem to get comfortable with anything but KDE.

I've been following along with the KDE development and will soon take the plunge, once I can carve out the time and energy to get all my stuff archived and the new install in place and fleshed out. Heck, I may even splurge on a newer, bigger SSD, since I plan on settling in for the long haul. Five years from now you guys will all be asking about the latest and greatest kernels and applications and whatnot, and I'll be perfectly content with my MX-KDE 19.2. That's how I roll.

So all that's a long winded way of saying Thank You to all of you who put forth the herculean effort I know it took to make this happen. For those of us who go back to the MEPIS days, the bar is pretty damn high. I have every confidence you've met it.

And if you haven't, rest assured I'll whine. That's also how I roll.

just putting something like "For older hardware, installing the Debian 4.19 kernel may work better" on the download page may help a lot.

If problems start showing up, I'll do that. Thanks.

Jerry3904 wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:28 pm

just putting something like "For older hardware, installing the Debian 4.19 kernel may work better" on the download page may help a lot.

If problems start showing up, I'll do that. Thanks.

Ok, let's agree to agree here

tony37 wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:12 pm MX doesn't have a reputation for having the newest of the newest, so it feels like a weird choice to have only a very recent kernel as download for KDE. But if that's the choice, ok, but just putting something like "For older hardware, installing the Debian 4.19 kernel may work better" on the download page may help a lot.

AHS is also a lot more than just a kernel, it also isn't the newest of the new by a long shot.

I then to think one of the biggest aspects of our reputation is we try to give users what they want and need.
AHS has it's purpose in that and it works very very well all things considered even on old hardware (5-10yrs).

I think we find a good middle ground, where before users with very new hardware couldn't really run MX the to the fullest the way they should.
We cover the gambit of old and new pretty well, something that sometimes seems to be taken for granted.

The KDE (AHS) build works incredibly well on my nearly ten year old desktop - much better in fact than the non-AHS XFCE builds did.

What happens if a user downloads the standard MX-19.2 XFCE and they have problems with the kernel? They ask for help and they are guided to replacing the kernel, maybe the AHS. What's the difference if the MX-KDE version uses a newer kernel? If it doesn't work they ask and are guided to an older kernel.

FWIW I have MX-KDE running on older hardware in both VirtualBox and on real hardware and have had no issues so far. I'll try in on a P-4 and see what happens. (My P-4 is only 32-bit so won't work. But I am running it right now on an 11 year old Dual Core Pentium E6300 and it is running just fine. I'm posting this now from this old machine. I suspect that most people will not have a problem with AHS).

The advice is the same no matter what kernel - use a LiveUSB and try it out. Ask questions in the forum if you have trouble.

Seaken64

Just tried it and I really like it. Everything is super responsive, and it's quite a beautifully designed layout. I really love the fact that when I first logged in to the desktop I couldn't really tell that I wasn't in a regular XFCE desktop. I'm glad to see that the "slab menu" lost the voting - this whisker-style menu is just perfect. The MX tools all seem to be working well. I looked hard but couldn't find anything to complain about. Very nice!

That log-in animation is so cool! I'm going to have to log out and back in a bunch of times and enjoy it.

And putting the yakuake drop-down terminal in by default is a fantastic design decision. I don't think I've ever seen that on another KDE distro.

Tony, you seem to assume that a great many users with older hardware will have video troubles with our KDE, when the opposite seems to be true.

I also don't see where you've done any actual testing on your own system with a 4.19 kernel to see if that's the answer--instead relying on that one sketchy post, when installing and testing that kernel on AHS, or installing KDE on the standard MX 19.2, is very simple.