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2xRacer wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:19 pm

Michael-IDA wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:20 am Google is evil and Opera is now nothing more than a Google clone.

I trust Vivaldi. I was using Opera for many years but since these chinese companies took over it I don't fully trust it anymore.

I wouldnt put blanket statement on all chinese companies, thats similar to writing off all american companies because of google or facebook. thats pretty ignorant atitude, or pehaps thats what you were aiming for. the world is divided enough as it is.

I Switched to Vavaldi and am happy with that , haven't used FF for awhile now But do keep it installed. Also use chrome once in a great while. I also used Opera for a long time, But got tired for fixing the video play back on it every time a new version comes out.

kksmith wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:34 pm I wouldnt put blanket statement on all chinese companies

no that's not ignorant attitude and you missunderstood what I wanted to say. Of course not all chinese companies are bad but China is supervising and more or less suppressing most of it's citizens. I guess that they control and analyze data where they can and because of that I have the suspicion that Quihoo360, who bought Opera, may give my browsing data for analysis to the chinese control institutions. And particularly I didn't want to say that chinese people are bad but their government is. Look what they did and do to the Tibetean, to the Uigur and to many of their own people.

kksmith wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:34 pm

2xRacer wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:19 pm

Michael-IDA wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:20 am Google is evil and Opera is now nothing more than a Google clone.

I trust Vivaldi. I was using Opera for many years but since these chinese companies took over it I don't fully trust it anymore.

I wouldnt put blanket statement on all chinese companies, thats similar to writing off all american companies because of google or facebook. thats pretty ignorant atitude, or pehaps thats what you were aiming for. the world is divided enough as it is.

The Chinese govt. controls what companies in China do.

American companies control the American govt. more than the govt. controls them.

The issue with Opera is not (or not only) that is controlled by a Chinese company, but because the company seems to be crappy (makes money out of short term loans and selling your data)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PedU3mNm-3Y

There's really no reason to use Opera at this time and age... only that you are used to it but that's not really a good reason.

Remember everyone let's stick to the topic, be civil, and not get all drown in political back and forth talk.

SwampRabbit wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:53 am Remember everyone let's stick to the topic, be civil, and not get all drown in political back and forth talk.

My first, (sarcastic), thought was I should post, "What was the topic again?"

And then after wandering off, I realized, that oddly almost all of this conversation does relate to the original topic, “What web browser(s) do I want to use.” And I’ve actually learned a good bit here in helping me determine that. I knew I’d mostly given up on Opera, but didn’t know they were bought out by a company selling out their users, which is exactly the reason I’ve put Opera on my ‘do not use’ list.

The only real thing, (while seemingly entirely obvious to me, but possibly totally unknown to others), I can see as completely off topic is:

jeffreyC wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:16 am The Chinese govt. controls what companies in China do.
American companies control the American govt. more than the govt. controls them.

But, oddly, for some people making a choose on which piece of software to use where/by who/how the software is made is an important decision point. So (very!) obliquely that is actually relevant.

I agree, let’s keep it civil! And I almost want the OP to change the topic title to:

“A Review of Web Browsers”

And then copy all the relevant bits up to the first post for a compact summary.

Best All,
Michael

Michael-IDA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:45 am My first, (sarcastic), thought was I should post, "What was the topic again?"

And then after wandering off, I realized, that oddly almost all of this conversation does relate to the original topic, “What web browser(s) do I want to use.” And I’ve actually learned a good bit here in helping me determine that. I knew I’d mostly given up on Opera, but didn’t know they were bought out by a company selling out their users, which is exactly the reason I’ve put Opera on my ‘do not use’ list.

The only real thing, (while seemingly entirely obvious to me, but possibly totally unknown to others), I can see as completely off topic is:

jeffreyC wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:16 am The Chinese govt. controls what companies in China do.
American companies control the American govt. more than the govt. controls them.

All I'm saying is we have forum rules, even in this section of the forum, so lets keep things as clean under all aspects as much possible.
No matter if someone, something, or entity can be debated on.

We don't need folks getting annoyed, upset, or threads getting closed.

Adrian wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:49 am The issue with Opera is not (or not only) that is controlled by a Chinese company, but because the company seems to be crappy (makes money out of short term loans and selling your data)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PedU3mNm-3Y

There's really no reason to use Opera at this time and age... only that you are used to it but that's not really a good reason.

I agree. I used to use Opera back when it still had the Presto engine. You knew a website was standards-compliant when it rendered flawlessly on the Presto engine. It was a decent browser and also came with a nice mail client called M2. Even before the Chinese took over it, the browser's usability suffered and it seemed like the company was being restructured on a regular basis. They eventually let M2 rot and, IIRC, got rid of it from the last Presto-based releases.

I think one of the founders quit Opera and is now in charge development of Vivaldi. First impressions are that this is noticeably snappier than Firefox and Chrome.

Palemoon is impressive, especially for an apparently small and tight-knit developer community to be able to develop a browser that can handle the modern web. I've used it for months at a time and can do 99% of my web stuff with it, and can just use Brave or Vivaldi for the remaining 1%.