How Google pioneered the "surveillance capitalism" business model

[malspa]

Lol, yeah I do use paper maps, especially for my little road trips around New Mexico. Tom Tom, isn't that an app like for a smartphone or something? Well, I'm taking a look at openstreetmap dot org. Seems kinda slow but maybe it'll do for my purposes.

[KBD]

How many years do I have to wait before I can install an AntiX-19 or something to a retail smartphone and escape the exploitation of big corporations that misuse capitalism? Just saying that on a PC you can protect yourself but hardly on mobile.

Google owns phones, unless you are willing to pay $1,000 for a smartphone. And even then, without Google's apps a smartphone is about worthless. Years ago they used to break up monopolies--the good old days.

[Eadwine Rose]

Tomtom is a navigation device, like Garmin.

[Buck Fankers]

Google owns phones, unless you are willing to pay $1,000 for a smartphone.
And even then, without Google's apps a smartphone is about worthless.

Check out: Pinephone

https://www.pine64.org/2019/09/05/septe ... ping-soon/

It will not be the best, fastest... but it will be cheap, privacy oriented, you will be able to turn off microphone, camera, wifi, replacement battery 10$, you can easily replace it yourself...

Without googles apps in my eyes phone is just great. I don't have smartphone, don't use google, but I will get me this phone.

Also check out pinebook - tablet based on Linux for 100$ (130$ with keyboard that also acts as cover)

[malspa]

Tomtom is a navigation device, like Garmin.

Thanks. Yeah, I've been using Google Maps, with Firefox via DuckDuckGo, on the computer at home. There's a convenient !bang code for it -- !m. OpenStreetMap isn't as good but from what I've seen so far I think it'll work for me. That one also has a few DDG !bang codes, like !ost.

Sorry about hijacking the thread, folks.

[winemaker]

my post did not post - so - try again.
tomtom is an old app and i am not denigrating it - i just seem to remember mint bea or barbara or early ubuntu having tomtom. boy that was a long time ago.

[Eadwine Rose]

Tomtom is not an app. It is an apparatus. A device.

https://webimg.secondhandapp.com/1.1/5c ... 768bce5ab7

[winemaker]

sorry. for my minimal knowledge i called it as such. and it was my understanding it was listed under applications on the early distros i mentioned. my mistake.

[PhantomTramp]

A paper map :)

A good excuse to adapt the Luddite lifestyle for sure. And don't forget, all these big corps that compile and use your data are government contractors, too. So some of the business is capitalism and some of it is for, well, let's call it what it is: the spying trade for big brother.

People will post all kinds of personal stuff online, well, that's the people's fault. That stuff is being vacuumed up and compiled by the new owners with glee. And these new owners are using that information and the platform to form their propaganda and change nation states into their own image.

But these same new owners of your personal information are funding Silicon Valley giants to get much more data than you would give up freely, if you only realized how it was done. (Don't watch the sausage maker if you want to eat sausage).

Most non-technical folks would be very appalled to find out that almost everything they do online (and offline) is being watched and the system paid for, mostly off the backs of hard-working class folks.

On a pleasant note, the weather here has been very nice.

The Tramp

[turtlebay777]

As a lorry driver I do not use a sat nav because they try to guide you through town centres, rather than avoiding them, and down the narrowest roads as if they were motorways, yet part the way down you find they've shrunk widthways until there's no room to pass another vehicle coming in the opposite direction! Paper maps are here to stay for very many years to come. And you can read them in conjunction with a compass even when there's no satellite signals in that area.

Also +1 to Buck Fankers.