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rich wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:18 pm xfce 4.14 has been released

As always it's also time to say goodbye to some older unmaintained or deprecated projects. (Luckily our projects only go to the attic aka the archive on git.xfce.org when they die.) With a salty teardrop of sadness we bid farewell to:

... thunar-actions-plugin, ...

https://www.xfce.org/about/news/?post=1565568000

As always it's also time to say goodbye to some older unmaintained or deprecated projects. (Luckily our projects only go to the attic aka the archive on git.xfce.org when they die.) With a salty teardrop of sadness we bid farewell to:

... thunar-actions-plugin, ...

I hope this does not mean, that Thunar Custom Actions are gone?

skidoo wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:49 am
The dropped plugin is this a decade-idle plugin which looked like this (screenshot)

asqwerth wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:27 pm It'll come with mx19 based on Debian Buster, which is being worked on as we speak.

pemartins wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:53 am

asqwerth wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:27 pm It'll come with mx19 based on Debian Buster, which is being worked on as we speak.

Out of curiosity, do you already have in mind a date around which MX 19 could be released?

pemartins wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:53 am Out of curiosity, do you already have in mind a date around which MX 19 could be released?

sunrat wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:21 am

pemartins wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:53 am Out of curiosity, do you already have in mind a date around which MX 19 could be released?

In Debian land which I think MX inhabits, the answer to this is always "when it's ready".

Stevo wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:15 pm I am exploring backporting it for Stretch and Buster in these separate OBS repositories: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show ... :xfce-4.14

So far, so good.

Stevo wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:53 pm Wait a day or so until I get all the panel plugins in there, too. Lots of them won't work until they get rebuilt against the new panel libraries.

You'll also be on your own if your existing gtk2 theme doesn't support GTK 3 very well, and will have to use a new one or use one of the builtin ones.

Stevo wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:36 pm We are getting some input now from the XFCE developers that the 4.14 XFCE compositor may have some issues with the default glx backend with AMD and Nvidia graphics drivers. AMD seems to work better with xrender. We are discussing making that easy to set in MX Tweak instead of the rather obscure commands you need in the terminal now.

compton -B --backend glx

Stevo wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:28 pm So the quickest method for AMD would be to apply the tear-free in MX Tweak?

Stevo wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:28 pm We have another developer with AMD that uses compiz-reloaded, and he said that it was glitchy until he switched to xrender, though--though compiz is its own compositor, so maybe that makes the switchover smoother.

I don't think XFCE's native compositor could be made to run at the same time as Compiz. But I may be wrong.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:40 am ToZ has put up an official guide for dealing with the problem:

https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=13233

It's also been discussed on the Arch Forums: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=248388 & https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=248526

dreamer wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:01 pm Packages installed without problems on MX. Nice packaging, Stevo. Maybe there was a problem with Xfce Screensaver packages which showed up as armhf. I will stick with Xfce 4.12 and then switch to LXQt or KDE.

asqwerth wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:39 pm @Stevo, I note that the packages for xfce 4.14 you packaged for MX doesn't have the "About XFCE" information window.

Stevo wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:23 pm

asqwerth wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:39 pm @Stevo, I note that the packages for xfce 4.14 you packaged for MX doesn't have the "About XFCE" information window.

Well, I'm stumped about that, unless the difference in the build procedure between Buster and Stretch for many of the packages I built made a difference. Debian has a step to rebuild the configure file with dh_autoreconf, which also takes place automatically with debhelper 10 or better, but many of the packages failed on Stretch with this, so I added a little code to those problem builds that detects if they are getting build on Stretch or MX Horizon and disables the autoreconf--that means they use the configure script the source ships with instead of a regenerated script.

ChrisUK wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:18 am The about dialog is spawned by a package: xfce4-about. This isn't available for Debian AFAIK - only Arch and Redhat based.

Auro Kumar Sahoo wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:22 am

ChrisUK wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:18 am The about dialog is spawned by a package: xfce4-about. This isn't available for Debian AFAIK - only Arch and Redhat based.

Probably I have seen that in Ubuntu studio, About page.

SkOrPn wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:35 pm Is it safe to try upgrading to 4.14 now while on MX18.3? Or would it be safer to simply try MX19 final beta?

EDIT: Installed just fine. Thanks

winemaker wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:04 pm what are the differences in the old vs new xfce?

Jerry3904 wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:18 pm Style customization has changed a lot with the move to GTK 3.

Stevo wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:36 pm OK, everything seems to be settled in the repo now.

For the adventurous, here's how to get 4.1.4 from the OBS repo:

It seems that the xfce4-messenger, cellmodem, and quicklaunch plugins are not longer maintained and will be removed by this update. I got the rest of the plugins updated.

For a Stretch base, run the all the following in a root terminal, to prepare, add the repo and its key, then update apt:

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echo 'deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser:/xfce-4.14/Debian_9.0/ /' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home:stevenpusser:xfce-4.14.list

rm -f Release.key && wget -nv https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:stevenpusser:xfce-4.14/Debian_9.0/Release.key -O Release.key

apt-key add - < Release.key && rm -f Release.key

apt update

and then upgrade:

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apt full-upgrade

or use MX Updater. Then log out and back in.

Your present theme may not support GTK 3 well, so you might have to switch to one that does. Your Conky on the desktop may also lose its pseudotransparency, but I think you just need to change one word in its file to get it back. Look for a line(s) that says

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own_window_argb_visual no

and change that "no" to "yes", then turn on compositing in MX Tweak.

We are getting some input now from the XFCE developers that the 4.14 XFCE compositor may have some issues with the default glx backend with AMD and Nvidia graphics drivers. AMD seems to work better with xrender. We are discussing making that easy to set in MX Tweak instead of the rather obscure commands you need in the terminal now. Intel GPUs should be fine with the default setting.

The repo also has armhf (Pi) and arm64 packages, as well as separate repos for Raspian 9 and 10. Debian Buster users can use the same directions, except replace "Debian_9.0" with "Debian_10.0" in the two places it appears.

xfce4-panel --version
# or xfce4-about

Stevo wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:08 pm

SkOrPn wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:35 pm Is it safe to try upgrading to 4.14 now while on MX18.3? Or would it be safer to simply try MX19 final beta?

EDIT: Installed just fine. Thanks

Did you install from my outside OBS repo?