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Windows has been moving away from OS sales and towards ToS sales.
I think for them, I'm not sure how much they make off selling support.
But I'm sure both are dwarfed by them selling marketing. Forcing news feeds into peopls desktops which I'm sure they can generate add revenue.
But above that, those Terms of Service let them spy on every detail, every keystroke, every mouse hover, all personal data.
And sell that to whoever they choose. How much difference is having a different kernel going to make with reguards to that, probably none. If anything, it will put them more in line with Apple, which OSX was developed from Open BSD linux. Back when Jobs left apple to develop NExT, and returned bringing the os with him.

Will it do anything for the linux world. It is hard to say.

bobbee wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 5:16 pm OSX was developed from Open BSD linux

OSX is based on FreeBSD.

Anyway, Microsoft have made consistent contributions to kernel development over several years and they are a Platinum member of the Linux Foundation:

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/membership/members/

So I think we should all be thankful to MS for their efforts

So you think MS is a contributor to the Linux Foundation out of the goodness of their non-existent hearts?

I guess I'm not that naive.

Not only is MS adding a real Linux kernel to their WSL, they will also be releasing a new 5.0 version of .Net. Take this quote from https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/i ... ing-net-5/ :

Today, we’re announcing that the next release after .NET Core 3.0 will be .NET 5. This will be the next big release in the .NET family.
There will be just one .NET going forward, and you will be able to use it to target Windows, Linux, macOS, iOS, Android, tvOS, watchOS and WebAssembly and more.
We will introduce new .NET APIs, runtime capabilities and language features as part of .NET 5.

Embrace, extend, extinguish. The old game.

I am really glad they botched Windows 8 to 10 so very badly... or else I might not have found the drive to start the long-winded process of changing my base OS. This process is still not finished and there are some things in Linux that are quite bothersome but overall it's the only way forward.

I've seen my fair share of Microsoft's "embrace, extend, extinguish" antics, and considering all that has gone on within Linux land lately, I smell a rat.

As for them making a mess of Windows 8 and not knowing how to count, I do wish Windows 8 and Windows 10 were not so bad. Fundamentally speaking Windows is a good operating system (at least the Windows NT based ones are), and I would continue running just Windows if they didn't try to turn my PC into a smartphone that breaks every time I try to start it, because it wants to do an update.

Microsoft, as all other companies, always work for a profit. 'Free' Services and Software by a company either use you as a beta tester, or expect you to upgrade to a paid service once you are familiar enough with the program/service, or want you to be a developer to the ecosystem and lure customers in. There is nothing wrong using something 'free' from Microsoft as long as you are satisfied by the current state of the program/service and is mature enough and cover your needs. But you always must be prepared, if something is not making a profit for them, they can terminate it unexpectedly or never fix a bug in it even if its just one line of code.

From what I have read, this kernel is still going to be emulated on top of a MS kernel.

bobbee wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 2:48 am So you think MS is a contributor to the Linux Foundation out of the goodness of their non-existent hearts?

No of course not, they are contributing to Linux because they see commercial benefit in it.

But why does the motivation matter? The code is the important thing and they are helping to improve it.

And Microsoft can't extinguish Linux because the GPL won't let them :-)

They might not be able to extinguish it, but they could influence changes in the core that would not be good for users or developers.
A company with deep pockets like that could do allot of good things, but they can also do allot of bad.

MS is focused on corporations and the cloud. I think consumers have become an after thought. I cant imagine why your average consumer needs to put up with all the hassles - and security risks ( actually, gaping holes).