MX Linux Forum

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:43 am**

The countdown of last 100 hits for MX to become #1 in DistroWatch default Last 6 months, has started. Manjaro is aware and discussing it.
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/manjaro-is- ... st-mxlinux

There is an interesting point said in their forum:

We’ll just continue to live as Linux Mint continued to live when Manjaro took its place.
Actually, there is people in the community that are relieved and happy that Manjaro loses “the #1 distro status” and I kinda understand why, it removes a lot of pressure on the distro by not having to deal with the people having über high expectations from “the #1 distro”.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:35 am**

I hope it's not like Michelin guide. You lose one star and you end up hanged at the end of a rope

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:34 am**

I love how the responses say "nobody cares". I agree.

It's cool that this is happening, but at the same time I am going: "So?"

Today we're apparently popular, tomorrow might be different. We're not here to be #1 on distrowatch, we're here to serve those who like to use MX

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:57 am**

I liked this post!

https://forum.manjaro.org/t/manjaro-is- ... x/81906/11

I would like to personally welcome our new insect overlords.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:26 am**

I don't really care actually.

Mepis forum was here long before MX. Nothing to do with DW or reviews. It was to help Mepis users.

MX was created in 2014 by fellow Mepis and antiX users to fill the void once it was confirmed Warren wasn't working on Mepis anymore and that Mepis 12 Beta would never be finished. Again, it was for the benefit of the community of Mepis users and then later, MX community.

There was no quest or desire to reach the top of any rankings.

It is of course gratifying that other people recognise the good work of the Devs of MX and antiX. But IMO, recognition is not the primary aim of MX.

What I do hope is for the increased recognition to bring in more MX members who can make contributions to code, packaging, translation, tutorials, artwork, forum support and other areas.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:37 am**

+1
We'll said.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:25 am**

asqwerth wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:26 am What I do hope is for the increased recognition to bring in more MX members who can make contributions to code, packaging, translation, tutorials, artwork, forum support and other areas.

This will come, fame has its advantage. I took a quick look what Manjaro did beside a distro. Also they have a history.
I remember, Arch Linux was never in flavor for any fork, so those distros who did were on their own. Some of them did well, particular Manjaro and Antergos. Browsing Manjaro's website, is quite impressive. With the fame, their have their own branded hardware.
https://www.ubuntushop.be/index.php/en/ ... books.html

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:44 am**

I care in the sense that MX is not even known to many people. When people ask on different forums "I need a distro that works great as a USB stick, I need persistency, what should I use?" I see a lot of responses but rarely people say "Use antiX or MX" which are the queen and king of distros when it comes to persistency, remastering, creating ISO snapshots. So anything helps even a non-relevant distrowatch ranking that doesn't mean much if it gives MX a bit of more share of mind that's a good thing.

So yeah, it doesn't mean much, but it's still a good thing. We'll attract more trolling for sure too... but hey, that's the price to pay for popularity.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:05 am**

I've got plenty of fishies for them, so.. bring it on

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:14 am**

I think Manjaro is a terrific distro, we just have a different user group in mind. Apples and oranges, not bad apples and good apples.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:30 am**

The DistroWatch numbers really doesn't mean anything... or at least they shouldn't.

The real number to aim for is the number of installments of Microsoft Windows...

I've been around Linux for long enough to really appreciate the incredible amount of work and love that has brought us to the current state, but for really speeding things up, we seriously should begin to pay (more) for the goods we enjoy and rely on daily...

Have been working on a little piece for a while, almost ready to post... more to come! But don't hold your breath!

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:22 pm**

I do think it matters. I watched for years as Ubuntu ruled the roost at Distrowatch. Then came the Gnome 3 firestorm, and it brought winners and losers. Not everyone loved Ubuntu's new approach with the Unity DE. People did love Mint's multi-pronged approach of keeping old gnome alive (MATE) and its new approach to taming gnome (Cinnamon) which put it at the top of Distrowatch for ages. I think regressions have affected both Ubuntu and Mint through its Ubuntu base for several years. The Ubuntu base of the 14.04 and 16.04 LTS releases were very solid and Mint benefited from it. 18.04 was not so great, and systemd has brought many problems which MX has benefited from. MX has also gotten better with each release, has an active, helpful community, and benefits from using Debian Stable as its base, but in a much more polished and user friendly form. Add in the back drop of Ubuntu looking to launch an IPO soon, and uncertainty that comes from that, and I think it is not surprising to see two community-driven outliers: MX and Manjaro riding high on Distrowatch. Does it matter? Yes, it shows MX is doing a combination of things correctly.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:06 pm**

@KBD, well analysed.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:51 pm**

The DistroWatch numbers really doesn't mean anything... or at least they shouldn't.

Ouch.
That's like telling kiddies the Easter Bunny isn't real...

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:21 pm**

Distrowatch is a popularity contest based on clicks on the DW site. Pretty meaningless (but not completely) if you ask me. I do think that MX Linux has gained users faster than any other distro in the past year(s).

If we want more meaningful popularity numbers let's look at forum activity. I think we have two leaders. Linux Mint forum and Ubuntu forum (+ official flavors like Ubuntu MATE and Kubuntu forums).

I don't have numbers for the latter, but Linux Mint forum states:

Most users ever online was 2029 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:27 am

The same number for MX Linux is:

Most users ever online was 717 on Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:46 pm

In terms of popularity I would put Linux Mint first (because we have an actual number) and Ubuntu (+official flavors) second. MX Linux seems to have more forum activity than Manjaro and if we add antiX the gap becomes even wider. So I would say MX Linux is the third most popular distro in the world based on forum activity, which is a much better measurement than Distrowatch IMO.

Of course forum activity could be analyzed in much more detail. Before someone says that MX Linux has less forum activity because it has less bugs, that's not how it works. A popular distro with a bad release will see a short burst of forum activity with problem/bug reports. But Linux users aren't loyal. And after that short burst of forum activity users start leaving and forum activity goes down to a level much lower than before the bad release happened. So you can't really fake forum activity by buggy releases. Users just leave instead one by one.

This is what happened to Ubuntu and official flavors and the reason the Ubuntu community is (relatively) smaller now than 10 years ago.

That being said I don't think any other distro deserves the top spot on Distrowatch better than MX Linux. That's some crazy dedication from a small team of very helpful people. It's almost like I feel like a bad person when I see how much help they give for free despite being busy with software development, website, forum, documentation etc.

So I see the MX Linux DW ranking as a reflection of all the hard work the MX team put in, not only writing better software, but also being more helpful.

I just don't want the DW ranking to be confused with the most popular distro (in terms of users). In fact, since MX Linux is still relatively "unknown", there is a chance that the DW clicks will keep coming and MX Linux can stay on top for some time. Just like Linux Mint, MX Linux can also continue to expand its userbase long after it has peaked and fallen on Distrowatch.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:20 pm**

Of course forum activity could be analyzed in much more detail. Before someone says that MX Linux has less forum activity because it has less bugs, that's not how it works. A popular distro with a bad release will see a short burst of forum activity with problem/bug reports. But Linux users aren't loyal. And after that short burst of forum activity users start leaving and forum activity goes down to a level much lower than before the bad release happened. So you can't really fake forum activity by buggy releases. Users just leave instead one by one.

There's some truth in that. On the other hand, number of users in a distro's support forum does have a direct relationship with the number of users experiencing problems and seeking help. If the majority of users don't have problems and everything works, unless they decide to pop in just to say "thanks" or "good job" they probably aren't going to even bother to register. So you still can't use the number of forum users to try to estimate the number of MX users as the happy ones could very well be a silent majority: we just have no way of knowing.

A better metric would be the cumulative number of downloads from all the mirrors. This would give an idea of the number of people who have at least tried MX or plan to do so, not taking into account those who get it via torrent.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:45 pm**

"Most users ever online was xxyyzz" may not be apples-to-apples comparison.
forumA might be configured to use a 24hr (or 48, or 72!) session cookie timeout, vs forumB @15minute timeout.
Also, a forum's sysadmin may (I've seen this done in the context of sites being put up for sale) inflate the count by manually editing the database.

A better metric would be

expire the repo keyring key, then sit back and watch how many come a runnin' to download the new key?

Hmm...

just sayin'

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:13 pm**

Those making serious comments about the distro on Distrowatch's MX page is a good indication that people like its stability, simplicity, ease of use and, of course, MX Tools. I think having it ranked fairly high on the hits list has gotten at least more people to try it and, when they have, they liked it. I also think retaining SysV as default has helped, too, while making systemd available. For the first time, in as long as I can remember, I really can't be bothered to try another distro in either VBox or on a separate partition to play with. Nothing sounds interesting. I'll probably see something shiny sooner or later to have a peek at and kick the tires. MX is the bee's knees and the cat's meow.

it's also easy to tell the trolls who typically write that MX is buggy, doesn't recognize their hardware, crashed and yada, yada, yada. You know they haven't even downloaded it. They can't wait to rate it as a "1". It's pretty funny.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:58 pm**

Jan K. wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:30 am ..., but for really speeding things up, we seriously should begin to pay (more) for the goods we enjoy and rely on daily...

Seriously, NO. I'm way into the "software should be free" camp. For questions, refer to: https://www.gnu.org/
:-)

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:23 pm**

I'm kinda glad that MX is about to hit #1 in the rankings, but it's mostly just entertainment to me. Recently, I took a look at the DW rankings for each year since they've been doing it. Puts things into perspective -- they come and they go. Maybe MX will have a long run at #1 like Mint did. By the way, sometimes I wonder if Ubuntu and the Ubuntu flavors shouldn't have their hits per day totalled together.

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:24 pm**

JayM wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:20 pmA better metric would be the cumulative number of downloads from all the mirrors. This would give an idea of the number of people who have at least tried MX or plan to do so, not taking into account those who get it via torrent.

Hi there, new user here

The best metric would probably be the number of times a certain update package has been downloaded in a given time, e.g. release update xy right now and count how many times it has been downloaded in the first 24, 48 hours and so on. This would give a good overview on the number of current active installations. However, I am not sure whether this kind of telemetry would be something to go for

I actually don't remember why I eventually chose to install MX first in a VM and now on three different devices, but it most certainly was because MX was somewhere at the Top 10 on Distrowatch. It was quite a ritual of mine to test the five or ten best distros on a semi-annual basis or so ... until MX 18.1 came out and won the race of all races

Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:59 pm**

how much help they give for free despite being busy with software development, website, forum, documentation etc.

I forgot packaging. It's easy to forget when everything is working and is a couple of clicks away in MXPI.

skidoo wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:45 pm "Most users ever online was xxyyzz" may not be apples-to-apples comparison.
forumA might be configured to use a 24hr (or 48, or 72!) session cookie timeout, vs forumB @15minute timeout.
Also, a forum's sysadmin may (I've seen this done in the context of sites being put up for sale) inflate the count by manually editing the database.

That's a valid point. We can also look at these numbers:
Linux Mint: Total posts 1505874 • Total topics 233081 • Total members 117383
MX Linux: Total posts 166750 • Total topics 13721 • Total members 5334

Granted, MX Linux is a much younger distro so that's not fair either.
However, I don't doubt Linux Mint has more users if you look at donations. Every month Linux Mint receives $10k from 300+ users. In December 2018 alone LM received $40k+ from users. On top of that LM has sponsorships (you have to disable adblocker to see them) which LM wouldn't have if businesses didn't use the distro. So we are probably looking at $200k annual income. You don't get that without a big userbase (individuals and small and medium-size businesses). Linux Mint has established itself as the go-to distro for users coming from Windows. Since Windows has 80 % market share that's where the growth potential comes from.

This doesn't mean that I think MX Linux should become more like Linux Mint. It's good that distros find their own niche. In fact what brought MX Linux to the top of DistroWatch is that it offers things that Linux Mint does not. Linux Mint may be boring, but for non-geeks getting 5 year support for Firefox, Chrome, Skype and other apps may seal the deal. Linux Mint has been able to capitalize on the Ubuntu LTS base, especially now that Ubuntu uses Gnome...

Posted: **Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:31 am**

dreamer wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:21 pm If we want more meaningful popularity numbers let's look at forum activity.
I don't have numbers for the latter, but Linux Mint forum states:
Most users ever online was 2029 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:27 am
The same number for MX Linux is:
Most users ever online was 717 on Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:46 pm

I would not count on this calculation when Linux Mint has 117,406 registered users. 1.7% hit the page on Mon Apr 08, 2019. And how many are active members..... maybe 3% which is less than MX registered users (5,340). Ubuntu has 2,112,455 members with 2,460 active (0.1%). The number of MX registered users is quite the same as active, inactive members are frequently removed.

Posted: **Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:23 am**

skidoo wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:45 pm
A better metric would be
expire the repo keyring key, then sit back and watch how many come a runnin' to download the new key?

Hmm...

just sayin'

Lol aaaallllllloooooootttt.
Of course this could be said for any updated package in the repo

Edit
Approximately 750 unique "people" a day at approximately 40000 requests for stretch for March. For the antix repo not including mirrors. Surprisingly close to the distrowatch result even when scaled to multiple months.

Can I be safe in assuming that the difference between the two are the "regulars"?

Posted: **Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:37 pm**

In December 2018 alone LM received $40k+ from users. On top of that LM has sponsorships (you have to disable adblocker to see them) which LM wouldn't have if businesses didn't use the distro. So we are probably looking at $200k annual income.

Seems my memory isn't correct. It should be $22,803 in December 2018 from 675 users. So maybe $150k annual income is more correct. Either way Linux Mint is a green distro... good for them and good for Linux because Cinnamon can be used elsewhere.

https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3724

Posted: **Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:12 pm**

malspa wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:23 pm I'm kinda glad that MX is about to hit #1 in the rankings, but it's mostly just entertainment to me. Recently, I took a look at the DW rankings for each year since they've been doing it. Puts things into perspective -- they come and they go. Maybe MX will have a long run at #1 like Mint did. By the way, sometimes I wonder if Ubuntu and the Ubuntu flavors shouldn't have their hits per day totalled together.

I used to wonder the same thing about the Ubuntu flavors, but I read somewhere that it's because not all of them are official or made by Ubuntu or something to that effect. Seemed kind of sketchy but whatever.

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:02 am**

https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resou ... buntusplit
Why is Ubuntu split into multiple entries while Fedora and Linux Mint are each treated as one distro? This lowers its page hit ranking.

We treat Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu Kylin, etc as separate distributions for several reasons.

Most community editions of Ubuntu usually begin life as their own, separate distributions and later join the list of official Ubuntu community editions. Quite often we add new projects to our database prior to them becoming official community editions.

While the community editions (usually) release at the same time as Ubuntu, each community project has its own developers, its own governing body and its own design goals. The community editions have their own websites and sometimes maintain parts of their own infrastructure. They are, for most practical purposes, independent entities. The names of the community editions are similar to Ubuntu and they share some infrastructure, but they are otherwise separate from Ubuntu. Our database organization reflects that.

We generally determine what is a separate distribution vs a community spin based on whether a project has its own website. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, etc each have their own website and are therefore regarded as separate projects. By contrast, Linux Mint's editions (Main, Debian Edition, KDE spin) all share one website. Likewise Fedora Workstation, Fedora KDE and Fedora Xfce all share one website. We organize our information to reflect how distributions organize themselves.

Grouping Ubuntu editions together, ie going out of our way to treat Ubuntu differently from the way we treat all other distributions, just artificially inflates Ubuntu's ranking. The way the stats are organized now are, if nothing else, internally consistent. We have tried combining Ubuntu community stats before, but it understandably annoyed people as it inflates Ubuntu's ranking and hides the independent community editions from the PHR table.

It may be worth noting we often receive this query about Ubuntu and its many community spins. The reasoning being that Ubuntu community editions all share similar names and most of the same package repositories so perhaps they should be treated as one project. To date, we have not received the same question asking why we split all the different Arch-based distributions into separate entries. Like Ubuntu, the Arch-based projects usually use the same repositories, have "Arch" in their name, and use the same media update cycle. We have approximately the same number of projects named "Arch*" in our database as "*buntu", yet no one questions treating the Arch-based spins as different projects. People acknowledge Arch-based projects have different websites and developers and are therefore different distributions. We treat Ubuntu-based projects, with their own websites and developers, the same way we treat Arch-based spins.

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:50 am**

55 more hits and there it is... #1

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:00 am**

Good point about why Ubuntu spins are counted separately. After all, if MX was included with Debian, Debian would have been the #1 Distro awhile back :)

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:12 pm**

I think we will go over the top Saturday (US timezones) or Sunday at the latest.

Posted: **Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:14 am**

BitJam wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:12 pm I think we will go over the top Saturday (US timezones) or Sunday at the latest.

Few days longer. Today Manjaro tried to run with additional hits. :)

Posted: **Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:41 am**

Hi, I think popularity matters because the more popular an OS, the more people get involved and help find or fix security and stability issues. I wouldn’t use a relative unknown version of linux, and I wouldn’t use MX or Antix, if it weren’t an active community of developers and users like runwiththedolphin etc. running the project in a professional way (it shows by the quality of their work). Anyway, I have installed mx as my only OS in my laptop and my second desktop without any issues. I run Antix on a virtual machine in my main desktop because I need Windows 10 in it for visual studio and few other programs but have tested with the usb stick booting and MX works fine there too.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:09 am**

g3982 wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:41 am Hi, I think popularity matters because the more popular an OS, the more people get involved and help find or fix security and stability issues.

+1
Example when Arch Linux with its newness as rolling-release + AUR, moved from rank hit #34 to #12 within 1 year, experienced and skill-full users started to join. Without these additional resources it would have been difficult to manage.

The race is "slowly" coming to its end... 20 -->#1 :)

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:32 am**

20 clicks to go!

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:35 am**

I was just there and saw that. MX is far ahead on the 3 month average.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:03 pm**

My last prediction was wildly off but now I predict the big day will be tomorrow (in US timezones).

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:32 am**

+11 hits..... 9 more. @BitJam, lets hope you are right. :)

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:57 pm**

KBD wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:35 am I was just there and saw that. MX is far ahead on the 3 month average.

But way *way* behind on 12 months...

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:10 pm**

Jan K. wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:57 pm
KBD wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:35 am I was just there and saw that. MX is far ahead on the 3 month average.
But way *way* behind on 12 months...

That's OK, by the time we get on top for the 12 month we'll deserve it.

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:17 pm**

Just remember kids... what goes up, must come down. I can remember when Ubuntu was on top... Mint... Manjaro... all of them have had their fun. I'm not sure any of the ratings hype really makes a huge difference. The product and the people are what really count. IMHO.

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:01 pm**

manyroads wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:17 pm Just remember kids... what goes up, must come down. I can remember when Ubuntu was on top... Mint... Manjaro... all of them have had their fun. I'm not sure any of the ratings hype really makes a huge difference. The product and the people are what really count. IMHO.

Yep!

Posted: **Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:08 am**

5 hits --> #1

Posted: **Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:50 am**

(21 April 2019)
Congratulation. "Last 6 months" hit ranking #1.

Posted: **Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:55 pm**

Couldn't happen to a better distro :)

Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:39 pm**

Countdown of last 12 months has started (120 -> 0 --> #1)

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:45 am**

Last 6 months and 12 months --> #1

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:54 am**

Did you ever think you would see a Debian-based distro on top of Distrowatch? Ubuntu ruled it for ages, then Mint as Ubuntu got off the rails, now Debian-based MX Linux is king :)

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:07 pm**

Yup

Remember Mandrake/Mandriva/PCLOS were #1 for a long time ... hope the powers-that-be dont
have any more kernel-killer moments - the real killer would be if the devs went nanny-state like
most of the Deb O/S ... leave ROOT alone ... dont mess with it, we are not children any more.

Regards

Jack

KBD wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:54 am Did you ever think you would see a Debian-based distro on top of Distrowatch? Ubuntu ruled it for ages, then Mint as Ubuntu got off the rails, now Debian-based MX Linux is king :)

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:54 pm**

MOD: wenough of the nanny-state comments, OK? We inside on keeping politics off this Forum.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:57 pm**

I think the user is referring to the growing number of distros that disable the root account, or possibly referring to applications like dolphin (the file manager, not the studly youtube guy) which no longer run as root. That last is a big hangup in the KDE user's community.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:01 pm**

I understood what he was talking about, but the term he has been using repeatedly on the Forum is politically loaded in the USA--hence my MOD comment.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:43 pm**

Yessiree

Thank you for your understanding & support - it was a simple statement-of-fact ... no more, no less

Regards

Jack

dolphin_oracle wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:57 pm I think the user is referring to the growing number of distros that disable the root account, or possibly referring to applications like dolphin (the file manager, not the studly youtube guy) which no longer run as root. That last is a big hangup in the KDE user's community.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:19 pm**

MX has now stalled at 4682 on DW - the first time in a very, very long time
One can only wonder why - especially so close to the recent kernel-fiasco

Jack

https://distrowatch.com/

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:26 pm**

KBD wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:54 am Did you ever think you would see a Debian-based distro on top of Distrowatch? Ubuntu ruled it for ages, then Mint as Ubuntu got off the rails, now Debian-based MX Linux is king :)

I'm not surprised that this happened to Ubuntu, they went all corporate without taking care of their community. It's pretty obvious to me that all they care about is 3 letter acronyms like ROI and IPO...

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:42 pm**

dolphin_oracle wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:57 pm I think the user is referring to the growing number of distros that disable the root account, or possibly referring to applications like dolphin (the file manager, not the studly youtube guy) which no longer run as root. That last is a big hangup in the KDE user's community.

Unless you use pkexec like our version of KDE Root Actions, which I copied from NeptuneOS.

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:00 am**

MX has now started its downward trajectory - this is the first time I have ever seen this happen
It is not a good omen - again, one can only wonder if this is related to the below-mentioned
Or are there other ominous rumblings on the horizon - not everybody wants a shiny new toy.
Mostly we simply want one that works ... much like the old one, that works - tread carefully

Highest Regards

Jack

jackdanielsesq wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:19 pm MX has now stalled at 4682 on DW - the first time in a very, very long time
One can only wonder why - especially so close to the recent kernel-fiasco

Jack

https://distrowatch.com/

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:16 am**

The 3-month view blows all that away. Ain't facts wonderful?!

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:58 am**

“Lies, damned lies, and statistics” - Benjamin Disraeli (although some statistics claim this to be a lie).

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:39 am**

jackdanielsesq wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:00 am MX has now started its downward trajectory - this is the first time I have ever seen this happen...

Since MX became #1, this is second time its downward. When this happen, all top distros are down. Something to do with the hit ranking.

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:40 am**

Makes sense, Stevo - I have never been able to crash your KDE DE, ever - one O/S is <2 years old now
The same cannot be said of every KDE DE that I had used over the past 5-10 years, both RPM & DEB
KDE4 and KDE5 having been the worst, KDE3.xx being the best - great work, Sir ..

Regards

Jack

Stevo wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:42 pm
dolphin_oracle wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:57 pm I think the user is referring to the growing number of distros that disable the root account, or possibly referring to applications like dolphin (the file manager, not the studly youtube guy) which no longer run as root. That last is a big hangup in the KDE user's community.
Unless you use pkexec like our version of KDE Root Actions, which I copied from NeptuneOS.

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:42 am**

Oh my God, there's only one way to go now!

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:46 am**

Sure are Jerry

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Jerry3904 wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:16 am The 3-month view blows all that away. Ain't facts wonderful?!

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:50 am**

You DO know how long we've been around? If you are getting phased by this then this is not your distro. Quit being so dramatic, please.

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:59 am**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfZogO4ixYQ

Lyrics:
https://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/follies/imstillhere.htm

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:56 am**

rasat wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:39 am Since MX became #1, this is second time its downward. When this happen, all top distros are down. Something to do with the hit ranking.

Yes, I saw that too.

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:01 pm**

Adrian wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:26 pm I'm not surprised that this happened to Ubuntu, they went all corporate without taking care of their community. It's pretty obvious to me that all they care about is 3 letter acronyms like ROI and IPO...

One of my favorite things about Debian/MX is that it's a community supported distro. No corporate or investor overlords to make decisions for or about the OS.

Posted: **Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:55 pm**

KBD wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:01 pm
Adrian wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:26 pm I'm not surprised that this happened to Ubuntu, they went all corporate without taking care of their community. It's pretty obvious to me that all they care about is 3 letter acronyms like ROI and IPO...
One of my favorite things about Debian/MX is that it's a community supported distro. No corporate or investor overlords to make decisions for or about the OS.

I agree and that is also an important argument against systemd. Beware of stuff that can't be understood, tweaked and compiled by "the little man".

I'm perfectly aware that much of desktop Linux was built by corporations, but I also think these same corporations have been clear about that they intend to take desktop Linux to hell in a handbasket. Look at the latest monthly report from Linux Mint where Clem is worried about Snaps taking over.

Posted: **Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:26 am**

The "We're #1!" boasting is mostly a turn-off for me. A high ranking at DistroWatch may be nice for exposure, but I don't (and can't) take it too seriously. I don't recall a time when the #1 ranked distro at DW was the best fit for me, and some of the ones I've enjoyed the most have never came close to a high ranking at that site. MX was an excellent distro long before it ever reached #1. If/when it falls from #1, so what?

Posted: **Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:32 am**

rasat wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:39 am
jackdanielsesq wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:00 am MX has now started its downward trajectory - this is the first time I have ever seen this happen...
Since MX became #1, this is second time its downward. When this happen, all top distros are down. Something to do with the hit ranking.

Also something to do with it being mid-summer in the northern hemisphere, perhaps.

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