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Browsers
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:13 pm
by devva231
Has anyone compiled a full list of browsers that work with MX Linux? I'm hoping on getting MX installed soon, and will definitely want to be rid of Firefox, so need to start looking for replacements. Wanted to ask here first, as no reason to do again what has already been done. Once I can see just what browsers are doable, I can research which are working with Flash or H264.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:47 pm
by wulf
devva231 wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:13 pm
Has anyone compiled a full list of browsers that work with MX Linux? I'm hoping on getting MX installed soon, and will definitely want to be rid of Firefox, so need to start looking for replacements. Wanted to ask here first, as no reason to do again what has already been done. Once I can see just what browsers are doable, I can research which are working with Flash or H264.
Well, there are ten browsers listed under popular apps in the MX package installer, but I figure you probably know that anyway. The most comprehensive list I've come across is here >
https://www.slant.co/topics/4281/~web-b ... -for-linux
Although I've not tried most of them, so I can't say how compatible some might or might not be with MX. It's a good read anyhow.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:26 am
by devva231
wulf wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:47 pm
devva231 wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:13 pm
Has anyone compiled a full list of browsers that work with MX Linux? I'm hoping on getting MX installed soon, and will definitely want to be rid of Firefox, so need to start looking for replacements. Wanted to ask here first, as no reason to do again what has already been done. Once I can see just what browsers are doable, I can research which are working with Flash or H264.
Well, there are ten browsers listed under popular apps in the MX package installer, but I figure you probably know that anyway. The most comprehensive list I've come across is here >
https://www.slant.co/topics/4281/~web-b ... -for-linux
Although I've not tried most of them, so I can't say how compatible some might or might not be with MX. It's a good read anyhow.
Thanks for the link. I had a feeling the package installer was not listing everything. I'll research Vivaldi, Brave, Waterfox, Ungoogled Chrome, and Iridium ....for debian compatibility, and to make sure Flash or H264 is included.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:49 am
by Gerson
I deleted Firefox that comes by default with the ISO; in return I placed Slimjet as the default and I have Vivaldi and Brave as alternatives, the three of them work perfectly with MX.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:54 am
by Pierre
wulf wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:47 pm
Well, there are ten browsers listed under popular apps in the MX package installer, but I figure you probably know that anyway. The most comprehensive list I've come across is here >
https://www.slant.co/topics/4281/~web-b ... -for-linux
Although I've not tried most of them, so I can't say how compatible some might or might not be with MX. It's a good read anyhow.
and I'd almost agree with the order that they are listed in ..
what's wrong with FF anyway

using that everywhere.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:01 am
by zorzi
I removed default Firefox to switch to Firefox ESR from debian repo.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:13 am
by cyrilus31
zorzi wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:01 am
I removed default Firefox to switch to Firefox ESR from debian repo.
What's the interest for ESR over "normal" version right now?
I usually use Palemoon, Slimjet or Vivaldi. They're all quite good.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:55 am
by zorzi
cyrilus31 wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:13 am
zorzi wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:01 am
I removed default Firefox to switch to Firefox ESR from debian repo.
What's the interest for ESR over "normal" version right now?
I usually use Palemoon, Slimjet or Vivaldi. They're all quite good.
The ESR version is more stable. It's a frozen Firefox 60 version, but receives security updates. May be useful when some Firefox features are suddenly removed (like RSS feed on Firefox 64).
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:16 am
by Pierre
the other issue, is that some Browsers are now based on the Chromium Browser Base,
and there is some concern, that Goooogle may interfere with that base,
& as such, some OPs add-ons may stop working.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:28 am
by wulf
Pierre wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:54 am
wulf wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:47 pm
Well, there are ten browsers listed under popular apps in the MX package installer, but I figure you probably know that anyway. The most comprehensive list I've come across is here >
https://www.slant.co/topics/4281/~web-b ... -for-linux
Although I've not tried most of them, so I can't say how compatible some might or might not be with MX. It's a good read anyhow.
and I'd almost agree with the order that they are listed in ..
what's wrong with FF anyway

using that everywhere.
I was a big fan of Firefox for more years than I care to remember. Each to their own, of course, but the way it's been steered over the last couple of years doesn't appeal to me anymore. I started using Waterfox when it was first released, and ran it along side Firefox. There is a steady divergence of ways between the two and I found Waterfox more to my liking, and that spelled the end of my use of Firefox. I always had, and still do have, an avid interest in innovation, but I don't have the desire for the "latest and greatest" anymore. Maybe I'm a tad pessimistic at heart. I look at social media and the way the internet has changed over the years, and I tend to take all the negatives rather than embracing many of the positives. I guess I've reached that age where I'm content to saunter along at a steady pace whilst the world hurtles by, and do what I can to avoid a slap on the head as it passes :)
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:30 am
by azrielle
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:34 am
by philotux
zorzi wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:55 am
The ESR version is more stable. It's a frozen Firefox 60 version, but receives security updates. May be useful when some Firefox features are suddenly removed (like RSS feed on Firefox 64).
Do you know if it is possible to install the ESR version alongside the "ordinary" one?
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:36 am
by Captain Brillo
wulf:
The Brave Download page lists several install methods. Which did you use for MX ?
btw: do any other browsers have Vivaldi's split window feature? It's amazingly handy! Can't do without it anymore.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:08 am
by wulf
Captain Brillo wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:36 am
wulf:
The Brave Download page lists several install methods. Which did you use for MX ?
btw: do any other browsers have Vivaldi's split window feature? It's amazingly handy! Can't do without it anymore.
Initially, I installed Waterfox from the browsers own website. I downloaded the .tar.bz2 file and extracted it into the opt folder with package installer. Later last year though, Stevo packaged Waterfox for MX, and it's found in the MX package installer under popular apps>browsers. I've not tried Brave browser on Linux, only in Windows when it first launched.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:10 am
by wulf
Yep, you're right. Probably a few others missing also.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:13 am
by cyrilus31
I use Brave on Android with an old Galaxy tab 2. Works very well but I don't know how it behaves on MX.
I had many issues with Otter not so long ago.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:46 pm
by zorzi
philotux wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:34 am
zorzi wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:55 am
The ESR version is more stable. It's a frozen Firefox 60 version, but receives security updates. May be useful when some Firefox features are suddenly removed (like RSS feed on Firefox 64).
Do you know if it is possible to install the ESR version alongside the "ordinary" one?
Yes you can.
But take care. By default, ESR and Firefox release will use the same profile. This can be messy, especially if you launch the older one (ESR) with the most recent one (64) settings.
Mozilla suggests to create two different profiles:
Then you can create a specific profile for each firefox version.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:05 pm
by philotux
zorzi wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:46 pm
Yes you can.
But take care. By default, ESR and Firefox release will use the same profile. This can be messy, especially if you launch the older one (ESR) with the most recent one (64) settings.
Mozilla suggests to create two different profiles:
Then you can create a specific profile for each firefox version.
Thanks zorzi for replying and further elaborating!
The shared profile between the two was what I had in mind when I asked the question. Now with your explanation, I know that it is feasible. I am about to do a new install of MX soon for the purpose of testing and trying out new things. This will surely be one of the things to try.
Thanks again!
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:14 pm
by Stevo
Firefox and firefox-esr from our repos both install a /usr/bin/firefox symlink, so I think they would definitely conflict. But a local install of the firefox-esr binary from Mozilla should work.
I didn't see Midori on that list. We have the latest 7.0 release in the test repo.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:47 pm
by cyrilus31
Stevo wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:14 pm
Firefox and firefox-esr from our repos both install a /usr/bin/firefox symlink, so I think they would definitely conflict. But a local install of the firefox-esr binary from Mozilla should work.
I didn't see Midori on that list. We have the latest 7.0 release in the test repo.
Midori was considered dead (no developement from 2015 to 2108). Thanks for reminding me that new version. Will try ASAP.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:54 pm
by philotux
Stevo wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:14 pm
Firefox and firefox-esr from our repos both install a /usr/bin/firefox symlink, so I think they would definitely conflict. But a local install of the firefox-esr binary from Mozilla should work.
Thanks for the heads-up and the info!
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:07 pm
by beardedgeek72
Honestly... I don't see the point of Firefox forks.
Pale Moon (and the new one from the same guy,whatever it's name is): Slower, less secure, uglier.
Waterfox: Identical to Firefox except a few default settings (you can still set on Firefox), and slower security updates. Not slower, at least, unlike PM.
Now, for the other side of the fence... Slimjet is... interesting, but without a sync function it's a no go.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:03 pm
by Artim
Seamonkey is very Firefoxy-like, and also includes a very Thunderbirdish-like email client. Despite being a whole "Internet suite," it has thousands fewer lines of code than Firefox! It's my go-to browser. I'm quite fond of Waterfox too.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:59 am
by Eggnog
beardedgeek72 wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:07 pm
Now, for the other side of the fence... Slimjet is... interesting, but without a sync function it's a no go.
I've just started getting interested in Slimjet, as well. It appears Slimjet does have a sync function. It syncs through your Google account like Chrome, I believe. If you don't have a Google account, then it probably won't sync. It also uses Chrome extensions. It's like having a better Chrome, but less invasive. Pretty fast, too, from my experience so far.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:23 am
by Gerson
@Captain Brillo
From
this link you can download the .deb package you want to use, beta version, development version or stable version, I have it in MX and it works perfect.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:03 am
by zorzi
philotux wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:54 pm
Stevo wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:14 pm
Firefox and firefox-esr from our repos both install a /usr/bin/firefox symlink, so I think they would definitely conflict. But a local install of the firefox-esr binary from Mozilla should work.
Thanks for the heads-up and the info!
I did not notice any conflicts nor troubles.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:16 am
by beardedgeek72
Eggnog wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:59 am
beardedgeek72 wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:07 pm
Now, for the other side of the fence... Slimjet is... interesting, but without a sync function it's a no go.
I've just started getting interested in Slimjet, as well. It appears Slimjet does have a sync function. It syncs through your Google account like Chrome, I believe. If you don't have a Google account, then it probably won't sync. It also uses Chrome extensions. It's like having a better Chrome, but less invasive. Pretty fast, too, from my experience so far.
Oh it DOES synk thru Google? Then I will try it. I tried to find our on their homepage, but no luck.
Edit: Installed it and is now running for the weekend. Uses about 200MB less than FF, 300MB less than Chromium, and seems faster than Firefox at least.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:43 pm
by WoodLark
I had been using Pale Moon until recently then my bank started refusing to let me log in because Pale Moon was "not secure". I am now using Vivaldi. It has a few quirks that I don't care for, but mostly I like it.
I stopped using Firefox a while back because I did not like the user interface in the recent versions.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:16 am
by Eggnog
I keep thinking I'm going to move away from Firefox, but I never do. I play with Vivaldi but lately it's not letting me watch Netflix or Amazon Prime so I shelved it. I like Slimjet, too, but I always seem to come back to good old Firefox. Been using it since it was called Phoenix (IIRC) back in the day. It's like a comfortable old shirt.
Re: Browsers
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:36 pm
by Eggnog
Well, I think I've given up on using Firefox as an everyday primary browser, at least for the foreseeable future. I'll keep it as a backup. The latest update has some pages rendering oddly, which is quite annoying. Not only that, the sync function got all borked and decided to rearrange things on its own. Luckily I really like Slimjet, so I'm using that as a primary. I wish Vivaldi would do a better job with Netflix and Amazon Prime, but whatever. I don't know why it has such problems.