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[siamhie]

Hardinfo2 held back during upgrade in nala. (MX-25 fluxbox beta systemd)

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siamhie@flux25-beta:~
$ sudo nala upgrade
[sudo] password for siamhie:         
Updated:   http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease 
[43 KB]
No Change: http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease
Updated:   http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease [47 KB]
Updated:   http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo trixie InRelease [25 KB]
Updated:   http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo trixie/main amd64 Packages [163 KB]
Updated:   http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo trixie/main i386 Packages [162 KB]
No Change: http://deb.xanmod.org trixie InRelease
Updated:   https://repo.librewolf.net librewolf InRelease [47 KB]
Updated:   https://repo.librewolf.net librewolf/main amd64 Packages [17 KB]
Updated:   https://repo.librewolf.net librewolf/main arm64 Packages [17 KB]
Fetched 522 KB in 1s (522.0 KB/s)                                               
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 Upgrading                                                                      
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  Package:                  Old Version:      New Version:               Size:  
  librewolf                 143.0.1-1         143.0.3-1                87.5 MB  
  lo-main-helper            25.09.03mx25      25.09.04mx25               12 KB  
  mx-packageinstaller-pkg…  25.09.03mx25      25.09.04mx25              208 KB  
                                                                                
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 Kept Back, Will Not Be Upgraded                                                
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  Package:                  Old Version:      New Version:               Size:  
  hardinfo2                 2.2.10-1          2.2.13-1~mx25+1           9.6 MB  
                                                                                
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 Summary                                                                        
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 Upgrade   3 Packages                                                           
 Kept Back 1 Packages                                                           
                                                                                
 Total download size  87.7 MB   
 Disk space required     8 KB   
                                
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siamhie@flux25-beta:~
$ apt-mark showhold
linux-headers-amd64
linux-image-amd64

beta users will probably have to manually update that one due to an epoch used on a previous update. Remove and reinstall hardinfo2 is the easiest way.

I'll try apt upgrade first and see what happens.

**I was able to upgrade using apt.

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siamhie@flux25-beta:~
$ sudo apt update
[sudo] password for siamhie:         
Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease [47.3 kB]
Hit:3 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease
Hit:4 http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo trixie InRelease               
Hit:5 http://deb.xanmod.org trixie InRelease    
Hit:6 https://repo.librewolf.net librewolf InRelease
Fetched 47.3 kB in 2s (24.5 kB/s)
4 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
siamhie@flux25-beta:~
$ apt list --upgradable
hardinfo2/mx 2.2.13-1~mx25+1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.2.10-1]
libssl3t64/stable-security 3.5.1-1+deb13u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 3.5.1-1]
openssl-provider-legacy/stable-security 3.5.1-1+deb13u1 amd64 [upgradable from:>
openssl/stable-security 3.5.1-1+deb13u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 3.5.1-1]
siamhie@flux25-beta:~
$ sudo apt upgrade
Upgrading:                      
  hardinfo2  libssl3t64  openssl  openssl-provider-legacy

Installing dependencies:
  iperf3  libiperf0  libsctp1

Suggested packages:
  lksctp-tools

Summary:
  Upgrading: 4, Installing: 3, Removing: 0, Not Upgrading: 0
  Download size: 7,463 kB
  Freed space: 285 kB

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[fehlix]

Hardinfo2 held back during upgrade in nala. (MX-25 fluxbox beta systemd)

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 sudo nala upgrade

There are some subtle differences between apt, nala, and apt-get in respect to upgrade modes:
Reading “man apt” or “man apt-get” does not make it as clear as “man nala-upgrade” or “nala upgrade --help” attempts to explain.

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nala upgrade --help
...
DESCRIPTION
There are 3 modes to an upgrade with apt.

  Only Upgrade packages, do NOT Install or Remove any packages.
         (nala upgrade / apt-get upgrade)

  Upgrade and Install NEW packages if required, but do NOT remove any.
         (apt upgrade)

         python3-apt does not support this mode, there is no nala equivalent.

  Upgrade and Install NEW packages and Remove packages if necessary.
         (nala full-upgrade / apt full-upgrade / apt-get dist-upgrade)

So hardinfo2 was "kept back", b/c "nala upgrade" will not install required new dependencies.
Not a beta thing, just a "upgrade mode" thing.
Recommendation:
Always use "nala full-upgrade", or "apt full-upgrade", or "apt-get full-upgrade", otherwise you would have kept back packages over time for no reason.

[siamhie]

So hardinfo2 was "kept back", b/c "nala upgrade" will not install required new dependencies.
Not a beta thing, just a "upgrade mode" thing.
Recommendation:
Always use "nala full-upgrade", or "apt full-upgrade", or "apt-get full-upgrade", otherwise you would have kept back packages over time for no reason.

Going through the nala config, I see there is an option to turn on full-upgrade by default. Thanks @fehlix

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# Set to true to make full-upgrade the default
full_upgrade = false

[fehlix]

So hardinfo2 was "kept back", b/c "nala upgrade" will not install required new dependencies.
Not a beta thing, just a "upgrade mode" thing.
Recommendation:
Always use "nala full-upgrade", or "apt full-upgrade", or "apt-get full-upgrade", otherwise you would have kept back packages over time for no reason.

Going through the nala config, I see there is an option to turn on full-upgrade by default. Thanks @fehlix

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# Set to true to make full-upgrade the default
full_upgrade = false

Yes, but that would confuse you and others. b/c if set to true
nala upgrade
would be the same as
nala full-upgrade

And in you'r next help request, we would need to figure out what default's you have changed.
Untill someone would tell, with your changes of default configuration, you would now need to use this
nala upgrade --no-full
in order to run a "basic upgrade", as it is called within "MX Updater", like "apt-get upgrade".
Suggest, don't tweak on too many places.

[siamhie]

So hardinfo2 was "kept back", b/c "nala upgrade" will not install required new dependencies.
Not a beta thing, just a "upgrade mode" thing.
Recommendation:
Always use "nala full-upgrade", or "apt full-upgrade", or "apt-get full-upgrade", otherwise you would have kept back packages over time for no reason.

Going through the nala config, I see there is an option to turn on full-upgrade by default. Thanks @fehlix

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# Set to true to make full-upgrade the default
full_upgrade = false

Yes, but that would confuse you and others. b/c if set to true
nala upgrade
would be the same as
nala full-upgrade

And in you'r next help request, we would need to figure out what default's you have changed.
Untill someone would tell, with your changes of default configuration, you would now need to use this
nala upgrade --no-full
in order to run a "basic upgrade", as it is called within "MX Updater", like "apt-get upgrade".
Suggest, don't tweak on too many places.

Why would you recommend this then?

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Recommendation: 
Always use  "nala full-upgrade", or "apt full-upgrade", or "apt-get full-upgrade", otherwise you would have kept back packages over time for no reason.

The reason hardinfo2 was held back is because iperf3 is not installed on the fluxbox beta ISO and 2.2.13 requires it.
When I ran apt upgrade, it installed that package and a popup asked me if I wanted to start iperf3 at boot.

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I keep my system updated with nala and install/remove packages with MXPI.

[Eadwine Rose]

Going from memory here, not in 25 at the moment...

edit: I seem to have lost a line. In MX updater - preferences.
There is an option there to update the kernel automatically. Something automatically in any case. I believe it was ticked by default.

I THINK.

What exactly does that do.. because I do not want kernels to automatically update on my system without my specific "you can upgrade now" permission. Just wondering because that text that goes with it wasn't clear either (to me, that is).

[dolphin_oracle]

Going from memory here, not in 25 at the moment...

edit: I seem to have lost a line. In MX updater - preferences.
There is an option there to update the kernel automatically. Something automatically in any case. I believe it was ticked by default.

I THINK.

What exactly does that do.. because I do not want kernels to automatically update on my system without my specific "you can upgrade now" permission. Just wondering because that text that goes with it wasn't clear either (to me, that is).

That is not in updater. There is an option mx tweak that is meant to be temporary and you can also just remove the linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 packages

[Eadwine Rose]

Now I am gonna go and look! Me and my memory.



Ah indeed.. MX Tweak.





Just remove the linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 packages

Oh.. you mean that thing will not be in the final, or? Because I don't understand.


edit: went and checked on 23, ticked there too. You probably explained the same thing back then as well.

[Eadwine Rose]

Ran into a new thing upon shutdown.. it seemed to be hanging. So.. as per usual I just hit the keyboard and (well ok I do use SOME form of logic.. like the spacebar.. enter key and such).


This little count downer (upper) appeared, and the system didn't shut down till that was done.

What is that thing? Because as far as I know I shut down all running applications before I told the system to shut down.




You can see some of those other messages I mentioned before also in there, but the bottom line is what I am pointing toward.

[fehlix]

Why would you recommend this then?

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Recommendation: 
Always use  "nala full-upgrade", or "apt full-upgrade", or "apt-get full-upgrade", otherwise you would have kept back packages over time for no reason.

The reason hardinfo2 was held back is because iperf3 is not installed on the fluxbox beta ISO and 2.2.13 requires it.
When I ran apt upgrade, it installed that package and a popup asked me if I wanted to start iperf3 at boot.

Perhaps read again, what nala help tried to explain.
yes, "apt upgrade", does install new dependency, but would still kept you's system not fully upgraded.
Only full-upgrade, with either apt, apt-get or nala will also install new packages, when a removal of any old packages is needed.
And nala upgrade (if not changed the defauls) and apt-get upgrade, would not install new packages.
If you only run "... upgrade", you would over time get not "fully" upgraded.
OTOH, it'saok do upgrade in smaller steps, first upgrade, next full-upgrade, that also very handy on live-systems.
Hope that answer, your question.