MX 25 Beta 1 Feedback thread

[Melber]

I'm testing MX 25 Xfce beta 1 in VirtualBox at the moment, if it makes a difference. I've been looking forward to the new version

- I use the Windows and Arrow keys to tile windows to the left or right of the display (or top or bottom). Currently tiling two windows that way leaves a gap between them in the center, as well as a gap between the windows and the panel

That's a "feature" of the mx-matcha themes. We added a few transparent pixels around the outside to make the border easier to grab.
At the moment the solution is to use a different theme (may I be so bold as to suggest trying mx-ease).

Is there a way to get consistency in relation to the way scroll bars display? I'll confess to very much disliking scrollbars that change size or hide. Featherpad is an example of a program that opens with the old-school scrollbars. Is there a way to change them for the entire OS_

Not one-click easily. Different apps use different toolkits. qt6 apps (like featherpad and the mx-tools) are using gtk2, the hover resize action is a gtk3 thing.

To stop the resizing and get static scrollbars in gtk3 apps you need to edit various config files. No guarantee this will work consistently for all gtk3 apps.

Add the following line to /etc/environment

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GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0

Add the following to ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css (this will override the settings in all gtk3 themes. You may need to play around with the value in GtkRange-slider-width to get your preferred scrollbar width)

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.scrollbar {
  -GtkRange-slider-width: 32;
}

/* Adding the buttons on the edges (if you don't need them, skip the next 4 lines)
 */

.scrollbar {
  -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1;
  -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1;
}

/* Scrollbar trough squeezes when cursor hovers over it. Disabling that
 */

.scrollbar.vertical:hover:dir(ltr),
.scrollbar.vertical.dragging:dir(ltr) {
    margin-left: 0px;
}

.scrollbar.vertical:hover:dir(rtl),
.scrollbar.vertical.dragging:dir(rtl) {
    margin-right: 0px;
}

.scrollbar.horizontal:hover,
.scrollbar.horizontal.dragging,
.scrollbar.horizontal.slider:hover,
.scrollbar.horizontal.slider.dragging {
    margin-top: 0px;
}

/* Slider widens to fill the scrollbar when cursor hovers over it. Making it permanent
 */

.scrollbar.slider.vertical:dir(ltr):not(:hover):not(.dragging) {
    margin-left: 0px;
}

.scrollbar.slider.vertical:dir(rtl):not(:hover):not(.dragging) {
    margin-right: 0px;
}

.scrollbar.slider.horizontal:not(:hover):not(.dragging) {
    margin-top: 0px;
}

Add the following to ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini (you may need to create the file)

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[Settings]
gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = false

logout and login

[Jerry3904]

On MXFB (installed on "personal") I'm still seeing no icon for either locale or bash-config. Is that true for Xfce and KDE as well?

[Melber]

@siamhie

I don't want to muddy the waters further. D_O has it right about Synaptic BUT I also have noticed a difference in how MX-23 and MX-25 deal with GTK4 themes... as an example on my MX-23 based system some early GTK4 Gnome apps like Simple Scan will correctly pick up the correct GTK4 theme but Simple Scan on an MX-25 base with the exact same GTK4 theme doesn't automatically select the correct theme. In those cases I've needed to use @Melber's handy GTK4 Theme selector utility and then they are correctly linked and work. As Gnome GTK4 evolves it seems less likely to work out of the box with themes that have early implementations of GTK4 support in them. It's all about libadwaita getting the correct linking to the selected GTK4 theme.

@AVLinux simple-scan in bookworm is gtk3 (v 42.5), in trixie it's gtk4 (v. 46.0). Transition happened with v 44.0.
Doesn't change the fact that gtk4/libadwaita is a pita.

[dolphin_oracle]

@chrispop99 can you tell me your swap configuration, and how much ram you have. I had trouble yesterday setting up hibernate on a system at work, but no trouble at home. the swap configurations were very different, so I'm wondering about yours in this case.

Just did a fresh install to be sure. Updated before install.

Xfce systemd. Machine has 8GB RAM.
Swap file option in installer left checked.
Option to use hibernation in installer checked. This gave a size of 10749MB.
Using Tweak to create a hibernation option on the logout screen failed.

Using an AHS install on an identical machine (Dell Latitude 5420), also with 8GB RAM, does allow creation of a hibernate option.

Chris

thanks. those things should be indentical between the standard and ahs isos, but it certainly gives a place to check.

can you give me the

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cat /proc/cmdline

for the one that fails? (I presume both are unencrypted)

[Melber]

On MXFB (installed on "personal") I'm still seeing no icon for either locale or bash-config. Is that true for Xfce and KDE as well?

Do you mean in the mx-tools app?
I'm seeing them on my mxfb sysv live-usb



See the same on xfce sysv live-usb.

[dolphin_oracle]

I'm too user to guess but I suspect something with the theme of grub.
I had a problem on the same imacs that under previous ubuntu can display grub only if "console" attribute given to grub.

Some trouble shooting steps:
A) Maybe check whether it is is or not related to the new live-grub theme by switching the live-grub to terminal console only.
Add a line like this

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 terminal_output console

as last line to the live grub.cfg file at /boot/grub/grub.cfg an the live usb.
It would then show grub as black/with console alike liveGrub menu. And would give and indication about either graphic-module changes,
or if not loaded mayb something with the used efi.image/efi-partition on the liveUSB.

@fehlix this worked on the lenovo T530 as well.

[Jerry3904]

On MXFB (installed on "personal") I'm still seeing no icon for either locale or bash-config. Is that true for Xfce and KDE as well?

Do you mean in the mx-tools app?
I'm seeing them on my mxfb sysv live-usb



See the same on xfce sysv live-usb.

OK, thanks. I must have a residual gremlin in here somewhere (will create a new user and look again)

[Sylvestrini]

I'm too user to guess but I suspect something with the theme of grub.
I had a problem on the same imacs that under previous ubuntu can display grub only if "console" attribute given to grub.

Some trouble shooting steps:
A) Maybe check whether it is is or not related to the new live-grub theme by switching the live-grub to terminal console only.
Add a line like this

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 terminal_output console

as last line to the live grub.cfg file at /boot/grub/grub.cfg an the live usb.
It would then show grub as black/with console alike liveGrub menu. And would give and indication about either graphic-module changes,
or if not loaded mayb something with the used efi.image/efi-partition on the liveUSB.

@fehlix this worked on the lenovo T530 as well.

Thank you, this worked on my T430, too.

[mmikeinsantarosa]

I am running

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Kernel: 6.12.48+deb13-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 14.2.0 clocksource: tsc
    avail: kvm-clock,acpi_pm parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.12.48+deb13-amd64
    root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.20.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.48 wm: xfwm4 v: 4.20.0 with: xfce4-panel
    tools: xfce4-screensaver vt: 7 dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0 Distro: MX-25_Xfce_sysvinit_beta1_x64
    Infinity September 21 2025 base: Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)

in a VM.
synaptic repositories list is empty.

edit: I was going to check a winehq-staging install for MX25 on this vm. synaptic has an empty repositories list.
winehq-staging installs now.


fyi-mike

[chrispop99]

thanks. those things should be indentical between the standard and ahs isos, but it certainly gives a place to check.

can you give me the

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cat /proc/cmdline

for the one that fails? (I presume both are unencrypted)

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BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.12.48+deb13-amd64 root=UUID=268463b1-414d-4f7f-90e8-c0a1990a642a ro quiet splash resume=UUID=268463b1-414d-4f7f-90e8-c0a1990a642a resume_offset=49760256

Chris