Is MX XFCE same as Debian XFCE

[advice1010]

MX 23.6 XFCE

I was wondering, when Debian itself has an official new release, for example Debian Trixie.
Are the XFCE deb packages that MX uses, from the official Debian repo?

-Not referring to the Appearance of XFCE that MX customizes.
-Not referring to when XFCE itself has new release and MX offers this new XFCE version in its repo.

Thank You

[siamhie]

Trixie comes with 4.20 and MX built 4.20 when Bookworm still was on 4.18.

[siamhie]

I stand corrected. Trixie comes with 4.20.1 as the default XFCE desktop.

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siamhie@deb13:~$ inxi -Fxxxra
System:
  Host: deb13 Kernel: 6.12.41+deb13-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 14.2.0 clocksource: tsc avail: hpet,acpi_pm
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.12.41+deb13-amd64
    root=UUID=7c01aab0-7871-43da-a863-4377a1881a09 ro quiet
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.20.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.48 wm: xfwm4 v: 4.20.0
    with: xfce4-panel tools: light-locker vt: 7 dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0
    Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: Micro-Star model: B550-A PRO (MS-7C56) v: 2.0
    serial: <superuser required> uuid: <superuser required> UEFI: American
    Megatrends LLC. v: A.F0 date: 10/11/2023
CPU:
  Info: model: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen 3+ gen: 3
    level: v3 note: check built: 2022 process: TSMC n6 (7nm) family: 0x19 (25)
    model-id: 0x21 (33) stepping: 2 microcode: 0xA201210
  Topology: cpus: 1x dies: 1 clusters: 1 cores: 16 threads: 32 tpc: 2
    smt: enabled cache: L1: 1024 KiB desc: d-16x32 KiB; i-16x32 KiB L2: 8 MiB
    desc: 16x512 KiB L3: 64 MiB desc: 2x32 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 550 min/max: 550/5084 boost: disabled scaling:
    driver: amd-pstate-epp governor: powersave cores: 1: 550 2: 550 3: 550
    4: 550 5: 550 6: 550 7: 550 8: 550 9: 550 10: 550 11: 550 12: 550 13: 550
    14: 550 15: 550 16: 550 17: 550 18: 550 19: 550 20: 550 21: 550 22: 550
    23: 550 24: 550 25: 550 26: 550 27: 550 28: 550 29: 550 30: 550 31: 550
    32: 550 bogomips: 217594
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: indirect_target_selection status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
  Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed status: Not affected
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow mitigation: Safe RET
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via
    prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
    sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines; IBPB: conditional; IBRS_FW;
    STIBP: always-on; RSB filling; PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected; BHI: Not
    affected
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsa status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Navi 22 [Radeon RX 6700/6700
    XT/6750 XT / 6800M/6850M XT] vendor: Tul / PowerColor driver: amdgpu
    v: kernel arch: RDNA-2 code: Navi-2x process: TSMC n7 (7nm) built: 2020-22
    pcie: gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DP-3 empty: DP-1,
    DP-2, HDMI-A-1, Writeback-1 bus-ID: 0b:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:73df
    class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.16 compositor: xfwm4 v: 4.20.0 driver:
    X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,radeon,vesa dri: radeonsi
    gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 2560x1440 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 678x382mm (26.69x15.04")
    s-diag: 778mm (30.64")
  Monitor-1: DP-3 mapped: DisplayPort-2 model: HP X27q serial: 6CM14703M6
    built: 2021 res: mode: 2560x1440 hz: 165 scale: 100% (1) dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2
    size: 597x336mm (23.5x13.23") diag: 685mm (27") ratio: 16:9 modes:
    max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400
  API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: amd radeonsi platforms: device: 0 drv: radeonsi
    device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: kms_swrast surfaceless: drv: radeonsi x11:
    drv: radeonsi inactive: wayland
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: amd mesa v: 25.0.7-2 glx-v: 1.4
    direct-render: yes renderer: AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT (radeonsi navi22 LLVM
    19.1.7 DRM 3.61 6.12.41+deb13-amd64) device-ID: 1002:73df
    memory: 11.72 GiB unified: no
  Info: Tools: api: eglinfo,glxinfo de: xfce4-display-settings gpu: lact
    x11: xdriinfo, xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Audio:
  Device-1: Creative Labs CA0132 Sound Core3D [Sound Blaster Recon3D /
    Z-Series BlasterX AE-5 Plus] driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 1
    speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 05:00.0 chip-ID: 1102:0012 class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Navi 21/23 HDMI/DP Audio
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s lanes: 16
    bus-ID: 0b:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:ab28 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.12.41+deb13-amd64 status: kernel-api
    tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PulseAudio v: 17.0 status: active tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol
Network:
  Message: No PCI device data found.
  Device-1: NetGear Wireless_Device driver: mt7921u type: USB rev: 3.2
    speed: 5 Gb/s lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 bus-ID: 4-1:2 chip-ID: 0846:9060
    class-ID: 0000 serial: 000000000
  IF: wlx54077d7f771b state: up mac: 54:07:7d:7f:77:1b
  Info: services: NetworkManager, systemd-timesyncd, wpa_supplicant
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 8.64 TiB used: 5.85 GiB (0.1%)
  SMART Message: Required tool smartctl not installed. Check --recommends
  ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:3 vendor: Western Digital
    model: WDS500G1X0E-00AFY0 size: 465.76 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B speed: 63.2 Gb/s lanes: 4 tech: SSD serial: 213434802558
    fw-rev: 613000WD temp: 41.9 C scheme: GPT
  ID-2: /dev/nvme1n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Western Digital
    model: WDS500G3XHC-00SJG0 size: 465.76 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 tech: SSD serial: 204174800338
    fw-rev: 102000WD temp: 38.9 C scheme: GPT
  ID-3: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Seagate model: ST8000DM004-2CX188
    size: 7.28 TiB block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s
    tech: HDD rpm: 5425 serial: ZR12HWX3 fw-rev: 0001 scheme: GPT
  ID-4: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 vendor: Samsung model: SSD 870 EVO 500GB
    size: 465.76 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s
    tech: SSD serial: S62ANZFR604378W fw-rev: 1B6Q scheme: GPT
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 232.88 GiB size: 228.17 GiB (97.98%) used: 5.82 GiB (2.5%)
    fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme1n1p2 maj-min: 259:2
  ID-2: /boot/efi raw-size: 779 MiB size: 777.5 MiB (99.80%)
    used: 32.4 MiB (4.2%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 maj-min: 259:4
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 60 (default) cache-pressure: 100 (default) zswap: no
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 64 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2
    dev: /dev/sdb2 maj-min: 8:18
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 34.9 C mobo: N/A gpu: amdgpu temp: 48.0 C
    mem: 52.0 C
  Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A gpu: amdgpu fan: 915
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1551 libs: 950 tools: apt,apt-get,nala,synaptic
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie main non-free-firmware
    2: deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie main non-free-firmware
    3: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security main non-free-firmware
    4: deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security main non-free-firmware
    5: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie-updates main non-free-firmware
    6: deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie-updates main non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nordvpn-app.list
    1: deb https://repo.nordvpn.com/deb/nordvpn/debian stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extrepo_librewolf.sources
    1: deb [arch=amd64 arm64] https://repo.librewolf.net librewolf main
Info:
  Memory: total: 32 GiB available: 31.27 GiB used: 1.4 GiB (4.5%)
  Processes: 514 Power: uptime: 0m states: freeze,mem,disk suspend: deep
    avail: s2idle wakeups: 0 hibernate: platform avail: shutdown, reboot,
    suspend, test_resume image: 12.48 GiB
    services: upowerd,xfce4-power-manager Init: systemd v: 257
    default: graphical tool: systemctl
  Compilers: N/A Shell: Bash v: 5.2.37 running-in: xfce4-terminal

[timkb4cq]

In the past we have built the latest version of XFCE4 for our release if Debian's version was getting old. However in the case of the upcoming MX-25 we are using Debian's packages since this time most of their XFCE4 packages are what's currently upstream. There are a few that have had point release updates since the Trixie freeze but nothing substantial.

[Stevo]

Yes, we have also some newer components than Debian, such as whiskermenu 2.10.0 in MX 25 main and 21/23 test. I see Bookworm finally updated the panel weather plugin with the recent point release.

[thinkpadx]

i must add that the MX Team always does one hell of a job tweaking the xfce which makes MX 'MX'! a customized XFCE for MX.

[advice1010]

Oh okay so it sounds similar to how things a generally handled, if the current versions from Debian repo are the same as MX repo then MX uses Debian repo, but the components that are already beyond the Debian versions, then of course MX repo are used.
Thank you guys for the responses