Am I allowed to express my thoughts?

[andy]

First, hello after a long time. I am a fan of MX Linux, my daily driver on most of my machines. Awesome work, thank you MX Linux team, and supportive people on forums.
Disclaimer: English is not my native language, nor I am too educated in its usage. I will surely make many errors in this post, not only grammar, but maybe even not optimal selection of words. I hope readers won't mind, and recognize my good intent.

I will start with a light joke:
Do you know, what is an opposite to Artificial Intelligence? Natural dumbness.

Maybe I am a bit hot tempered sometimes...
But I feel a real regret for one relatively fresh member of these forums, with nick "leanLux".
I almost think I should not believe my eyes.

I am referring to the thread titled "0.) Artificial intelligence installation from A-Z [Solved]"
First, I am absolutely for respecting forum rules. These are necessary, and we all should obey.

But... The "judges" should also not only briefly, superficially comprehend words of "the accused", but show also humanity, and search for real meaning, intents. If the person judged really shows malicious intents, or are only a bit careless.
Without maliciousness.

Someone first showing condemning tone, suspected of being AI, just because of errors in human expressions?
And then, when that person clearly, without malicious intent, with a tone of humor tried to "comb" his "bad" expressing ability with the help of some tool, similair to translator? (yes, nowadays AI can be used also for translation, and I hope we all can benefit from it), the judge slayed the poor because of writing this explicitly?

What if I use some kind of translator, to help me express in language, where I am not fluent in? Or you are completely banning from this forum those users, who are using a translator?
Where is it stated?

If this deed of using "translator kind of tool" for achieving better grammar, was such a sin against the rules, shouldn't the judge at least show some mercy and compassion, issue a "nono" first, that here even help of an AI to correct grammar of phrasing is not tolerated, and only after second transgression "slay" this poor person?

It seems to me like the judge was just waiting for the first smallest transgression, for being justified to issue "first warning".

But in this context I consider it very harsh, nonhuman, flexing.
I have evaluated (my personal POV, ofc) this forum member - leanLux - as supportive, friendly, kind, without malitious intent.
And I am too fairly interested in what he wanted to present.

Whenever in the past I visited these forums, I found it refreshing, friendly, supportive, and even tolerating small transgressions not done with maliciousness.
But what I saw today, makes me very sad. I hope it was by a mistake, because we all are humans and are susceptible to bad mood, etc.

Regards,
Andy

Second disclaimer: I have NOT used any AI tool to write this message, or for assistance with it. I have used only keyboard, and all the hardware and software stack beneath it, complelety until it was written into the forum database. Was AI somewhere? Was AI used in some form to make components used? I do not know...

OH, Sorry, I have used software dictionary. Am I free of transgression, or not? What if some form of AI was used during creation of the vocabulary?

[siamhie]

What if I use some kind of translator, to help me express in language, where I am not fluent in? Or you are completely banning from this forum those users, who are using a translator?
Where is it stated?

I use Deepl when I want to help out members who post in the Other Languages section of the forum because English is my first and only language I know.

Do I consider translators to be AI? No. There just a database of words collected that have been translated from one language to another.
Are they perfect? Absolutely not. I've seen my translations change between the various translators out there which make it harder for me to get the context correct for those I'm trying to help.

It seems to me like the judge was just waiting for the first smallest transgression, for being justified to issue "first warning".

I didn't issue a warning but was merely pointing out the rules concerning AI.
We can all have discussions about AI until the cows come home but please don't use it to post code, tutorials, etc.
*side note: I will never use AI to get help...Call me old fashioned but I prefer to see the multitude of answers from many users as opposed to a CliffsNotes version of my question.

If your trying to get an AI program installed on MX and are running into problems/issues, then we can try to help you. That's what the forum is all about. Helping others.

[Adrian]

don't use it to post code, tutorials, etc.

Why not, I use it to write code and tutorials -- see mx-conky changes, it was mostly done with AI tools.

[siamhie]

don't use it to post code, tutorials, etc.

Why not, I use it to write code and tutorials -- see mx-conky changes, it was mostly done with AI tools.

@Adrian I'm merely quoting what I see in the forum rules.

AI generated posts, code and respins are not allowed to be posted.

[Adrian]

So... I would not be allowed to post code from mx-conky if it was generated by AI? Seems a bit too strict to me...

[richb]

don't use it to post code, tutorials, etc.

Why not, I use it to write code and tutorials -- see mx-conky changes, it was mostly done with AI tools.

Do we want random users to post AI code? For that matter do we want random users to post any MX code in a public forum?

[Adrian]

MX code is free for everybody to see and inspect on github, I have no problem is somebody copies a snippet to ask a question, show/fix a bug, etc.

I think the rule is too strict and without any real purpose behind it. I think the ultimate purpose is that you don't want crap posted on the forum, but AI is not the measure for crap that you think it is, plus there's no real way to detect it.

[oops]

don't use it to post code, tutorials, etc.

Why not, I use it to write code and tutorials -- see mx-conky changes, it was mostly done with AI tools.

Do we want random users to post AI code? For that matter do we want random users to post any MX code in a public forum?

"Do we want random users posting AI code?"

My ( ~ balanced) point of view.
No, because AIs can be far too verbose and move far too fast to produce code and text, which is not easily manageable for us, the humans.

However, for the philosophical aspect of the matter, and in order to potentially discuss future prospects, this should be able to be addressed calmly in an MX sub-forum like "General." Even if it's not specific to MX.

However, a forum must remain a dialogue between humans, not a dialogue with machines, no matter how intelligent they may be.

[richb]

MX code is free for everybody to see and inspect on github, I have no problem is somebody copies a snippet to ask a question, show/fix a bug, etc.

I think the rule is too strict and without any real purpose behind it. I think the ultimate purpose is that you don't want crap posted on the forum, but AI is not the measure for crap that you think it is, plus there's no real way to detect it.

You know better than I the conventions for open source software. If I am reading you right you would suggest removing any rule on AI from our Forum Rules. Correct?

[Adrian]

To me humans posting short AI generated snippets is fine as long as it has a point and it's on the subject. AI has no relevance if the post is good or not. You can have an atrocious 100% human-made post and a perfectly fine AI-assisted post.

Human posting AI snippets is fine in my opinion as long as it has a reasonable purpose, bots (if you can detect them) are not OK.

But ultimately you are the admin and mods and you know what makes your job easier... just expressing an opinion here.