Xorg has been Forked! [Solved]

[rambo919]

I think it's not so much irony as rank cognitive dissonance especially because it was stupidly (and angrily) politicized.

There are many parallels with the two saga's.... but this time it's more an issue of wayland still having too many drawbacks in comparison for too many people. This is going to cause a lot of negative disruption if it actually goes through unless everyone being pressured to adapt their packages actually manage to do so.... I am talking large numbers of packages simply being deprecated because they cannot function in any way on wayland leaving open voids where they used to be.

I don't think the capture effort with wayland will be as successful as it was with systemd even though a lot of lets call them corporate overlords think it will. Probably because their main interests are on the server side and they don't understand desktop needs. This is going to be a repeat of "well if it only works on windows stay on windows" but what happens if "stay on xorg" stops being feasible? It will cause people to revert from Linux back to Windows. Could become a hell of a circus.

[Adrian]

I'm surprised no one has brought up the irony of the situation in a forum that exists due to our refusal to adopt systemd

I too am surprised by the attitude towards Xorg among a community that refuses systemd. Isn't SysVinit "abandonware" now and aren't we pitiful here, set in our ways and stuck in the past to still be using such old software when the new systemd is the bestest, most wonderfulest and awesomeful software in the history of ever?

I think in many Linux communities we would be ridiculed for our refusal to adopt systemd. After all, It's the future!

So I'm surprised to find any such "get with the times, Wayland is the future, Xorg is abandonware" attitude here. Adrian's suggestion that I "find another distro" reminds me a little of what's happening in the larger Big Tech world, where participants - even users in some cases - are invited to leave if they're not into a particular ideology. Very strange indeed.

SysV init doesn't have a bright future in my mind either, we keep seeing people who have problems with VPN apps (and many other) that don't work on SysV init. The systemd-shim is barely maintained and the guy who kindly works on that might not be able to jump through the hoops to make it work next time. This upcoming release is fine for Xfce and Fluxbox, but KDE will be systemd only, that might happen in the future to Xfce and Fluxbox too, but I don't have a magic orb to see the future.

I do find it very strange when people who use the results of our effort come here with attitudes like they are doing us some kind of favor for using the result of our work (for free, we don't ask for money and the donations from happy users are plenty for our small expenses -- the community would not be able to afford to pay me and other devs). I am happy to share for free whatever I'm working on (it's not even that much because whatever I use it's also shared with me -- that's how open source works), but at the same you should feel free to use anything else and don't let the door slap your behind if you don't like the product of my effort -- I'm perfectly happy having a smaller community who doesn't feel like they are doing me a favor for using MX.

[Melber]

I'm surprised no one has brought up the irony of the situation in a forum that exists due to our refusal to adopt systemd

I too am surprised by the attitude towards Xorg among a community that refuses systemd. Isn't SysVinit "abandonware" now and aren't we pitiful here, set in our ways and stuck in the past to still be using such old software when the new systemd is the bestest, most wonderfulest and awesomeful software in the history of ever?

I think in many Linux communities we would be ridiculed for our refusal to adopt systemd. After all, It's the future!

So I'm surprised to find any such "get with the times, Wayland is the future, Xorg is abandonware" attitude here. Adrian's suggestion that I "find another distro" reminds me a little of what's happening in the larger Big Tech world, where participants - even users in some cases - are invited to leave if they're not into a particular ideology. Very strange indeed.

Don't confuse your ideological preferences with MX's. MX-Linux doesn't "refuse" systemd.
From the faq page here https://mxlinux.org/wiki/help-files/mx-faqs/

What’s the deal with MX and systemd? How come there are still systemd packages installed?
Systemd is included in order to allow some important applications to run, but it is not enabled by default.
...
Is there a way that I can boot into systemd by default?
Yes. Boot into systemd by clicking on the line “Advanced options” on the opening screen (known as GRUB), then launch MX Boot options and check the box to “Enable saving last boot choice.”

As for XLibre, so far all that's happened is that some tinfoil hat wearing alt-right nutbag got his knickers in a twist, forked xorg and stuck a dog whistle filled readme on it. Does this affect MX in any way? Not at the moment.

[Artim]

I don't care if the lead dev is right-wing or left-wing, male or female, cis or trans, gay or straight. As long as we have a choice in things - like we do with systemd or runit or sysvinit and whatever else.

[Adrian]

I don't care if the lead dev is right-wing or left-wing, male or female, cis or trans, gay or straight. As long as we have a choice in things - like we do with systemd or runit or sysvinit and whatever else.

I don't care either, I do care though about the morality and behavior of the lead dev and considering the mess he left at Xorg that people had to scramble to revert his changes doesn't create confidence that the guy will do a good job with his new pet project. I doubt you will ever have the choice to select XLibre on the MX ISO, if it will be available on Debian you'll be able to install it manually and deal with the issues of your making by yourself.

[heavy metal]

Visit Brian Lunduke YouTube channel, he has a couple of videos on this same subject, they are very interesting and very revealing on some stuff that's being happening with Open Source projects!

[Adrian]

Visit Brian Lunduke YouTube channel, he has a couple of videos on this same subject, they are very interesting and very revealing on some stuff that's being happening with Open Source projects!

No, thank you. While I said I don't mind what political color developers have, I don't go as far as subjecting myself to idiocy and conspiracy theories. People who listen to this kind of dudes have no standing to express any kind of opinion that is worth listening to.

[Melber]

I don't care if the lead dev is right-wing or left-wing, male or female, cis or trans, gay or straight.

Which is exactly the point. Making a pull request on Github does not require you to disclose any of the above, so the readme diatribe is either nonsensical or is there for some other purpose. We wouldn't know Mr. Twisted-Knickers beliefs if he didn't insist on telling us...

As long as we have a choice in things - like we do with systemd or runit or sysvinit and whatever else.

You get to choose between the options that distro devs are willing and able to offer.

[Melber]

Visit Brian Lunduke YouTube channel, he has a couple of videos on this same subject, they are very interesting and very revealing on some stuff that's being happening with Open Source projects!

...aaand we have the reason why the readme diatribe is there. Traction, clicks, normalisation.

[heavy metal]

Visit Brian Lunduke YouTube channel, he has a couple of videos on this same subject, they are very interesting and very revealing on some stuff that's being happening with Open Source projects!

No, thank you. While I said I don't mind what political color developers have, I don't go as far as subjecting myself to idiocy and conspiracy theories. People who listen to this kind of dudes have no standing to express any kind of opinion that is worth listening to.

Whoa! dude! IMHO, You starting to sound like a "Tolerant" extreme leftist!