Is Linux fighting back?

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Jakob77
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Re: Is Linux fighting back?

#31 Post by Jakob77 »

There is not much doubt in my mind that AI in a few years will have absorbed more than 90% of what there is to know about Linux.
And I don't see who can stop it since Linux is about freedom to learn.
AI can make it's own desktop and distro, and the support for it will soon be very good and extremely fast.
And if Microsoft start making some good Linux software for some of the hardware they know all about it will be used first to their own distro that will soon be main stream.

Maybe cooperation and negotiation would be smarter than a fight.?
Or maybe it is already too late for both.. :azn:

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#32 Post by MikeR »

Edison's quote says: "Genius is one percent inspiration, ninety-nine percent perspiration"?
And @Jakob77 says:
There is not much doubt in my mind that AI in a few years will have absorbed more than 90% of what there is to know about Linux
I would think that while AI in due course will cross the 99% knowledge barrier, it will probably take a deal longer to attain inspiration or initiative

So humans will still have their uses, hopefully for the next few years.
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Re: Is Linux fighting back?

#33 Post by user101 »

MikeR wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:31 am @user101
You wrote
I consider it a blessing if there were actually no updates from companies pretending to care about security while extensively spying on us
There will probably be no updates, but are you sure the spying will end?
I'm less optimistic...
Not suggesting spying will end at all, but rather the spyware on it should be 'fixed' and not a moving target as it is when updates are always being made. So many companies (not just Microsoft) are profiting massively from our data, so I don't see it ending.

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#34 Post by JmaCWQ »

user101 wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 12:08 am ........ So many companies (not just Microsoft) are profiting massively from our data, so I don't see it ending.
The only way that 'might' end is if they're forced to pay us for our data.
Don't think I'll hold my breath waiting for that to happen :frown:

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#35 Post by Freja »

Jakob77 wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 5:49 pm There is not much doubt in my mind that AI in a few years will have absorbed more than 90% of what there is to know about Linux.
And I don't see who can stop it since Linux is about freedom to learn.
AI can make it's own desktop and distro, and the support for it will soon be very good and extremely fast.
And if Microsoft start making some good Linux software for some of the hardware they know all about it will be used first to their own distro that will soon be main stream.

Maybe cooperation and negotiation would be smarter than a fight.?
Or maybe it is already too late for both.. :azn:
Even if AI reach evolve over the human, contents or OS user is humans. "Can't understand feel of human". Tha'ts big weakpoint of AI.
Human To Human are best method, Some artists can be survive in AI era of tomorrow. Products goal alwalys human user if changing era.
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#36 Post by bradhamilton »

txm0523 wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:21 pm I am a Boomer. Have always loved PC's / Laptops. Have always loved building a home PC, modifying PC / Laptop components, improving perofrmance. Guess I am a " Geek by nature, Linux by choice " type of person. I do hate using smartphones for anything except making / receiving calls, sending / receiving SMS, listening to music or taking pics. I don't feel the need to buy a new cell phone each year. I don't feel the need to be on my smartphone every minute of the day either.
When I worked in healthcare, part of my job was doing lung testing, which required use of MS Win based PC. Nothing like coming in to work in the morning and seeing displayed on your PC screen that you have been automatically updated to the latest MS Win OS, which in turn, crashes the lung testing software ( as in, it's not friggin working at all ). All attempts by Tech Support people could not reset MS Win back to previous version. I have not used any MS Win device in the last 5 years. Whenever anyone has a problem with their Windows device and they ask for help, I say, " Sorry, I don't do Windows ". Then I jump into showing them Linux OS. But, most Windows users don't really care and they will pay the slave tax and buy a new PC with the latest version of Win OS. So sad. Although Linux OS is great, don't like the " End of Life " situation most distros have, which forces you to re-install Linux OS. Maybe if all Linux distributions went to a " rolling release " model, you wouldn't have to keep re-installing ( which most users won't want to do ). Just wondering.
Thanks - I'm in much the same life situation (Boomer/PC/Laptop/Linux at home - Windows at work in healthcare)

Regarding your comment about "rolling release" - I'm a recent refugee from Manjaro/Cachy/Endeavour - the thing I disliked most about those environments was systemd, hands-down - it complicates things. Breakage after a rolling-release update was getting annoying, as well. MX/antiX is my choice for now - simpler, more stable. Once I'm fully retired, I'l probably give Void a try, although I can tell that initial set-up will be a bear.

Linux "fighting back" - fugggedaboutit! The young'ns don't give a crap because it's not a cellphone (irony alert for Android/iPhone users!), and greybeards are dying off, literally. I'll just maintain peace of mind knowing that I don't need to be tied to the yoke of Windows in my golden years.
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#37 Post by DukeComposed »

bradhamilton wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 7:23 am Once I'm fully retired, I'l probably give Void a try, although I can tell that initial set-up will be a bear.
Installing Void Linux isn't that bad. These days you can typically get away with downloading a live ISO and then using it to run void-installer. The nicest thing about Void in my opinion is how well the XBPS package manager functions and its integration into the infrastructure of a Void machine really provides a pleasant combination of power, ease-of-use, and stability. Don't forget that there's an LTS kernel package, though. It will spare you from installing a new kernel twice a week.

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#38 Post by bradhamilton »

DukeComposed wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 8:30 am
bradhamilton wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 7:23 am Once I'm fully retired, I'l probably give Void a try, although I can tell that initial set-up will be a bear.
Don't forget that there's an LTS kernel package, though. It will spare you from installing a new kernel twice a week.
Thanks for the recommendation regarding Void!

I'm quite adamant about using only LTS kernels, no matter the distribution - for me, it provides stability, especially since I use laptops that are "older", and don't need the "latest and greatest".
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#39 Post by asqwerth »

Void Linux is fun. Not much GUI tools, but it's very stable and trouble-free for a rolling release.

When I installed it years ago, they had only 1 iso with DE available for download, and it was 9 months old.

I installed that old iso image to have a fully set up Cinnamon, then installed 9 months' worth of updates without any issues.

It's still running.
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#40 Post by DukeComposed »

asqwerth wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 10:09 am Void Linux is fun. Not much GUI tools, but it's very stable and trouble-free for a rolling release.

When I installed it years ago, they had only 1 iso with DE available for download, and it was 9 months old.

I installed that old iso image to have a fully set up Cinnamon, then installed 9 months' worth of updates without any issues.

It's still running.
I first started working with Void Linux back in June 2018 when, for fun, I figured out how to get an encrypted LUKS container running OpenZFS on root working on it. I decided to give it a serious shot in February 2024 when I set up a Void VM and gave it some big boy responsibilities on my home network. Since then I've only had trouble with it overwriting some customizations I made to dracut -- important to have when running ZFS as root -- that rendered the machine temporarily unbootable.

Void Linux also doesn't update their media as often as some other rolling release distros. I think they refresh about once a year, so one can expect to have to deal with up to 12 months of updates on a fresh install. This isn't a problem for XBPS but if it bothers you, the Void team has some excellent tools for rolling your own updated install sets. There used to be an unofficial repository of nightly builds at voidbuilds.xyz, but that site seems to have gone offline in the last 15 months.

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