The free software has a problem.

[tascoast]

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/asus ... el-celeron
This is a typical low price laptop, sold by one of Australia's biggest electronic chains (with the usual loud tv ads).

4GB RAM is actually still common but these machines are produced for the general consumer market. It seems wrong, but that's how they roll.

[DukeComposed]

Reading this topic it strikes me we should have an opinion subforum.

We really shouldn't.

Sadly it seems that even the MX Linux community has been infiltrated.

And there it is: the inevitable "us vs. them" ploy. Cults exercise a number of psychological tactics to recruit and retain members, chief among these being (a) isolation, primarily from friends and family members, and then (b) division from the "others". In the early stages of cult indoctrination there is a strong emphasis on black-and-white, us-or-them, all-or-nothing absolutes, which serves to drive a wedge between a person and his or her existing social and moral bearings.

Cults rarely spend time discussing grey areas or exploring compromises. You are either with the cult, and therefore on the right side, or you are against the cult, and therefore on the wrong side. Any dissent is an attack, any hesitation is a personal moral failing. Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion. Critique is heresy, objections are a sign of infiltration by the amorphous and nefarious "others", probably the same evildoers who quietly urge open source software developers to write 64-bit software and invest more time on the platforms their users utilize most and less time on the obsolete, unpopular ones.

Now OP can take umbrage and claim the moral high ground once again. Lo, he is more righteous than MX Linux. He is more righteous than all the Finnish tech forums who have already banned him. The MX community has been "infiltrated" with "wrong thinking" or downright evil machinations, purely because some of us do not wholeheartedly agree with OP's point of view. It was so easy, I didn't even feel a thing.

4 legs good, 2 legs bad. 32 bits good, 64 bits bad. It's all the same playbook, only 80 years later than George Orwell framed it, and a lot less entertaining IMO. Finland only uses low-end hardware (except for all the Finns who don't). Raspberry Pis can't compile Firefox (except the ones that can). All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. Two plus two is five. I love Big Brother. Et cetera, et cetera.

Very well. I'll be wrong. I'll be whatever it takes to avoid this kind of incongruous crackpot attitude in my community thumping their x86 instruction manuals and complaining that the death of 32-bit distributions, which MX hasn't planned or announced in any way, is Wrong and Bad and Not What Jesus Would Do and Shame On You Anyway for some unelaborated-upon reason.

[FullScale4Me]

I've got a feeling the OP is trying to finagle his way into being the 32 bit kernel compiler volunteer for MX since Debian no longer has any for Trixie (for almost a year now.). Then he can piece together his own hack of a 32 bit version of MX 25.

[DukeComposed]

Yeah, that's Finland for ya :rock: ... Business as usual over here; I'm typing this on a potato a car ran over.

So long as the potato now has a salty, licorice-flavored quality to it and is called something like "flavenjaatsi", I'm OK with it.

I, for one, understand what you are saying perfectly. It is not epistemologically possible to understand it better. That's in the nature of perfection here in Finland. The problem isn't in understanding, the problem is that, when understood, your stance (and the way you present it) is so hugely, painfully problematic. You aren't open to actually discussing it, and instead call anyone who disagrees a snob. Why, I never!

In reading this thread, I thought two things. The second one was "I really hope Nokkaelaein chimes in on this." While we don't always agree, I respect Nokkaelaein's opinions and I always find them worth reading. I'm not sure what it is; maybe it's the even tone or the clear exemplification of experience conveyed in his words. He's not always right, but he's clear on his stance and willing to back up his rationale. I don't in any way condone a battle of wits here, Finn versus Finn, now or at any point in the future. But I know who'd I'd bet on if such a thing ever occurred.

[Nokkaelaein]

I'm not sure what it is; maybe it's the even tone or the clear exemplification of experience conveyed in his words. He's not always right, but he's clear on his stance and willing to back up his rationale.

This is so true about you, too . Glad you're here.

[Adrian]

Ah, a Finnish love fest, I think it's time for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jnEhM2qyPE

[tascoast]

We get flocks of sheep in Australia, although cattle, horses, camels and some really big kangaroos (of course) roam free too, making night driving a bit dodgy, even for big road trains.
There are still some 'long paddocks', aka crown land roadside commons that represent old stock routes and seasonal grazing options, visible as generous roadside verges, property boundaries set scores, or hundred, of meters back. People still use them, with horses and mobile camps, typically with a herd of cattle.

[Nokkaelaein]

Ah, a Finnish love fest, I think it's time for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jnEhM2qyPE

haha(rgh)

Herds like this are much more familiar to me here in the south:

https://youtu.be/EQqZT4qnKVY?t=88

...

Now that the thread is already this random, I'd also like to add: DukeComposed, that "Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion" scene you posted is magnificent. An excellent pick. And there are so many exceptional scenes in that film, ah. What really elevates moments like this is the use of sound: that ominous ambient backdrop creeping in while those two suburban mothers are having their conversation. It's wonderful and Lynchesque (without feeling like a pastiche) and so genuinely effective.

[j2mcgreg]

Get back on topic folks.

[tascoast]

Get back on topic folks.

There's some confusion about that I think, but a Chat thread posting was a good call.