More 'suspend' issues

[Kermit the Frog]

That's also true. No random freezings ... Just, no harm.

In the meantime no need to lose time with mem-test cause many times with such issues it showed everything was ok, then re-seating the rams solved the issue.

You can (also) try the most recent "Liquorix" kernel even from the original source (or just from MXPI).

https://liquorix.net/debian/pool/main/l ... _amd64.deb

https://liquorix.net/debian/pool/main/l ... _amd64.deb

[davidy]

... I completely removed IntelME from my laptop

Interesting, how did you manage that? I heard it can't be done.

Sytem76 has a bootable iso to do just that (49mb "lemp10-disable-me.img") but it would of course only work on their hardware such as the Lemur Pro I bought. Wish they'd had an amd laptop when I purchased. Their brand new lightweight amd laptop is hundreds less than what i payed and with much better hardware AND doesn't have intelme by default cause it's amd. I can't afford to spend $1300 right now when my lemur pro is perfect still. Makes me think my laptop is some kind of unicorn but I know others have done the same with this laptop.

"Bad for your electricity bill?". I bought one of those kill-a-watt meters. My nas Idles at around 65W (jumps to 110+W at boot) and is on 24/7 cause that's how they are supposed to work. Other than buying a solar panel and using a battery to run my computers, which I'd love to do, there is no help in that. Turn other lights off if you're so worried. The main thing to consider when running a pc 24/7 is dust infiltration, not the electric bill, and that requires a filter on the intake vents. I buy those thin 4"x12" electrostatic dust filters and put one on both my minipc's which have tiny little fans just so I could leave it on 24/7 and not worry about dirt collecting on the inside. That alone will increase the lifespan. My nas has no filter because I'd practically have to wrap it and that would look ridiculous. I also bought a Datavac Electric Duster. 4A blower cleaner. Either that or simply get a minpc with zero moving parts such as the Protectli device in my sig. The thing is if it gets no power it is useless to begin with so worrying about your electric bill is a waste of time when you do have options.

[davidy]

I removed xfce4-screensaver in 21.3 and from this post realized it was reintroduced in 23.3. After removing it , again, suspend functions properly. Like I said every pc is slightly different in regards to hardware, drivers, software, and personal configs and you have to find what works for you and what doesn't. TG suspend is not a requirement of any kind for regular usage but I hope you figure out what your configuration is doing, or not, that prevents suspend from happening.
Check your services too. I disable anything unnecessary myself just to keep the footprint as small as possible. I connect to my nas using ftp so I completely disabled samba altogether. Point is you need to know exactly what the pc is running to narrow down the suspend problem.

[PaulR]

I removed xfce4-screensaver in 21.3 and from this post realized it was reintroduced in 23.3. After removing it , again, suspend functions properly. Like I said every pc is slightly different in regards to hardware, drivers, software, and personal configs and you have to find what works for you and what doesn't. TG suspend is not a requirement of any kind for regular usage but I hope you figure out what your configuration is doing, or not, that prevents suspend from happening.
Check your services too. I disable anything unnecessary myself just to keep the footprint as small as possible. I connect to my nas using ftp so I completely disabled samba altogether. Point is you need to know exactly what the pc is running to narrow down the suspend problem.

Thanks for this. I've been trying to solve it for maybe a year but still no closer. I don't have deep enough knowledge (or time to investigate them) to figure out what services can be safely removed, I'm pretty much resigned to living with a hobbled system for the time being.

[PaulR]

Just a bump for this topic with a bit of additional info: As a long term experiment, in January I replaced MX with the latest version of Mint (MATE). I've used it solidly until yesterday and found that both suspend and hibernate worked perfectly every time I used them so it's not a hardware or BIOS issue as far as I can tell.

I've now re-installed MX Linux 23.6 and the old issues have reappeared ie sometimes suspend doesn't 'stay down', it comes back up immediately but the keyboard is dead necessitating a reboot (not log out). Other times it goes down but won't come back up at all. I've tried it by manually clicking the option on the 'log out' menu and via both the Power Manager app's power button setting and the system power saving tab inactivity timeout.

Any more thoughts would be welcome (to save reading the entire thread I've tried other kernels, fast boot BIOS setting, re-seating RAM, using 'sudo pm-suspend' command and removing XFCE screensaver all to no avail).

[j2mcgreg]

Are you still using the default Debian kernel? There's ample evidence here in the forums that Ryzen based systems just work better overall when a Liquorix kernel is deployed.

[PaulR]

Are you still using the default Debian kernel? There's ample evidence here in the forums that Ryzen based systems just work better overall when a Liquorix kernel is deployed.

I'm using whatever is in the standard distro. Which of those Liquorix kernels is recommended - the latest?

[PaulR]

Hmm, I looked in Software Manager and these are installed, not sure what I should do:

[j2mcgreg]

Hmm, I looked in Software Manager and these are installed, not sure what I should do:

Post your current QSI. It will give an accurate view of what's in use.

[PaulR]

Here you go:

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System:
  Kernel: 6.14.4-1-liquorix-amd64 [6.14-6~mx23ahs] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: audit=0
    intel_pstate=disable amd_pstate=disable BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.14.4-1-liquorix-amd64
    root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash resume=UUID=<filter> resume_offset=30240768
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.20.0 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.38 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm v: 4.20.0 vt: 7
    dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0 Distro: MX-23.6_ahs_x64 Libretto April 13  2025 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12
    (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: ASRock model: B450M-HDV R4.0 serial: <superuser required>
    UEFI-[Legacy]: American Megatrends v: P3.20 date: 07/31/2019
CPU:
  Info: model: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen+ gen: 2 level: v3 note: check
    built: 2018-21 process: GF 12nm family: 0x17 (23) model-id: 8 stepping: 2 microcode: 0x800820D
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 6 tpc: 2 threads: 12 smt: enabled cache: L1: 576 KiB
    desc: d-6x32 KiB; i-6x64 KiB L2: 3 MiB desc: 6x512 KiB L3: 16 MiB desc: 2x8 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1549 high: 1550 min/max: 1550/3400 boost: enabled scaling:
    driver: acpi-cpufreq governor: ondemand cores: 1: 1550 2: 1547 3: 1548 4: 1550 5: 1550 6: 1548
    7: 1550 8: 1550 9: 1550 10: 1550 11: 1550 12: 1550 bogomips: 81437
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: ghostwrite status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
  Type: old_microcode status: Not affected
  Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed mitigation: untrained return thunk; SMT vulnerable
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow mitigation: Safe RET
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines; IBPB: conditional; STIBP: disabled; RSB filling;
    PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected; BHI: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] vendor: XFX Pine driver: amdgpu
    v: kernel arch: GCN-4 code: Arctic Islands process: GF 14nm built: 2016-20 pcie: gen: 1
    speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 link-max: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s ports: active: HDMI-A-1 empty: DP-1,
    DP-2, DP-3, DVI-D-1 bus-ID: 08:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:67df class-ID: 0300 temp: 42.0 C
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: xfwm v: 4.20.0 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 509x286mm (20.04x11.26") s-diag: 584mm (22.99")
  Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-A-0 model: VA24EHF serial: <filter> built: 2022 res: 1920x1080
    hz: 60 dpi: 93 gamma: 1.2 size: 527x296mm (20.75x11.65") diag: 604mm (23.8") ratio: 16:9 modes:
    max: 1920x1080 min: 720x400
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 24.2.8-1mx23ahs renderer: AMD Radeon RX 570 Series (radeonsi polaris10
    LLVM 15.0.6 DRM 3.61 6.14.4-1-liquorix-amd64) direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: AMD Ellesmere HDMI Audio [Radeon RX 470/480 / 570/580/590] vendor: XFX Pine
    driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 3-2:2 v: kernel pcie: chip-ID: 08bb:2902 gen: 3 class-ID: 0300
    speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 08:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:aaf0 class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: AMD Family 17h HD Audio vendor: ASRock driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 3
    speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 0a:00.3 chip-ID: 1022:1457 class-ID: 0403
  Device-3: Texas Instruments PCM2902 Audio Codec type: USB
    driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid
  API: ALSA v: k6.14.4-1-liquorix-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.0 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
    tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: ASRock
    driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: f000 bus-ID: 07:00.0
    chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 129.18 GiB (27.7%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Western Digital model: WDS500G2B0B-00YS70 size: 465.76 GiB
    block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 40WD
    scheme: GPT
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 465.76 GiB size: 457.38 GiB (98.20%) used: 129.18 GiB (28.2%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 19.56 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 file: /swap/swap
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 38.2 C mobo: N/A gpu: amdgpu temp: 42.0 C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: amdgpu fan: 712
Repos:
  Packages: 2569 pm: dpkg pkgs: 2564 libs: 1385 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala,synaptic pm: rpm
    pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak pkgs: 5
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb http://mxlinux.mirrors.uk2.net/packages/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
    2: deb http://mxlinux.mirrors.uk2.net/packages/mx/repo/ bookworm ahs
Info:
  Processes: 380 Uptime: 1h 30m wakeups: 1 Memory: 15.56 GiB used: 2.65 GiB (17.0%) Init: SysVinit
  v: 3.06 runlevel: 5 default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12
  Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)