Feedback for AV Linux 25?

[AVLinux]

alright. i do not want to open a new post.
i come from not being able to install e 23. i got rid ow windows, made a single partition and installed e 23 and i am using as it is now working without many error messages i can tell you that i am starting to like it.
i am been very resistant so far, but it gave me grudges the many times i have tried to test it.
now it seems fluid.
you know glen i said many times i appreciate your creations, but this one was hard to like.
i am doing it now . better late than never.
i had a spell with ubuntu studio, but i come back to papa..

[blast0id]

you know glen i said many times i appreciate your creations, but this one was hard to like.
i am doing it now . better late than never.

well I for one will sleep better at night now... lol... we're happy you're happy though! welcome to the AVL fam hehe

[macronus]

I don't really have any strong opinion about what should or should not be done with AV Linux 25 but I do wonder if doing a clean reinstall may become necessary or if just installing all of the MX updates, as these come along, will be good enough for keeping everything current?

I do have a suggestion about making a change to your YouTube video on "Getting Started with AV Linux 23.1!"

Why not put in chapters so that one wouldn't have to re-watch the entire 1 hour, 26 minute and 50 second video from start to finish if you're looking to revisit a specific detail about AV Linux?

I don't have any experience with doing this myself but this will supposedly not be too difficult according to the instructional web pages I was able to find:

"Easy Ways to Add Chapters to YouTube Videos" (https://www.wikihow.com/Add-Chapters-to-YouTube-Video)

"Video Chapters" (https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9884579)

[AVLinux]

Hi,

Somebody actually did this in the YT comments. If you scroll down a few comments somebody was kind enough to bother already..

I'm not a hardcore Youtuber so there is much I need to learn about polishing the content.. I'm kinda stunned that anyone watches at all and that I have any subscribers, it's not something I really have pursued other than doing the content for info purposes..

[macronus]

Somebody actually did this in the YT comments. If you scroll down a few comments somebody was kind enough to bother already..

I'm not a hardcore Youtuber so there is much I need to learn about polishing the content.. I'm kinda stunned that anyone watches at all and that I have any subscribers, it's not something I really have pursued other than doing the content for info purposes..

I see it now. It looks like the fellow did all of the hard work of deciding where to place the chapter breaks for you. Looks like all you might need to do will be to copy and paste this information in the way that those instructional web pages specify.

[FullScale4Me]

I currently have AV Linux MX Edition 23.2 in a VirtualBox and have a few things to note.

• In a live boot, the Firefox icon has a purple background. In the installed mode it appears normal.

• Thunar File Manager has a different icon compared to other distros both in live and installed.

• The Conman document differs from the Conman app found at ^, Settings >, All >, System >, Conman UI Setup.

• Why two 'Start' buttons, each having differing content?

• Attempting to open the PDF file gives an association dialog. There are 2-3 PDF viewers in MX, were they removed?

• I totally agree a user manual is a huge task but it looks like a minimal Quick Start guide with 'known issues' is in order.

• After looking at the Conman document's treatment of WiFi, the need for ^ is 'voted for' a second time.

• The systray icon for networking is vastly different than other distros. After being clicked, the icon changes to a cloud-like type. A reboot restores the original icon.

• Both left and right click options on the network icon appear to be nonfunctional.

I will do a bare metal installation later today and continue looking to see if the reported issues above persist.

PS: yesterday I spent some time updating the AVL Wikipedia article.

[AVLinux]

I currently have AV Linux MX Edition 23.2 in a VirtualBox and have a few things to note.

• In a live boot, the Firefox icon has a purple background. In the installed mode it appears normal.

• Thunar File Manager has a different icon compared to other distros both in live and installed.

• The Conman document differs from the Conman app found at ^, Settings >, All >, System >, Conman UI Setup.

• Why two 'Start' buttons, each having differing content?

• Attempting to open the PDF file gives an association dialog. There are 2-3 PDF viewers in MX, were they removed?

• I totally agree a user manual is a huge task but it looks like a minimal Quick Start guide with 'known issues' is in order.

• After looking at the Conman document's treatment of WiFi, the need for ^ is 'voted for' a second time.

• The systray icon for networking is vastly different than other distros. After being clicked, the icon changes to a cloud-like type. A reboot restores the original icon.

• Both left and right click options on the network icon appear to be nonfunctional.

I will do a bare metal installation later today and continue looking to see if the reported issues above persist.

PS: yesterday I spent some time updating the AVL Wikipedia article.

Hi, and first thanks so much for volunteering your time on the Wikipedia article, much appreciated!

Your observations are valid and some have been addressed in the most recent 'base' ISO...

In general, Enlightenment's developer has designed Enlightenment to be installed from Package Management and a turnkey Live Boot system is not something he appears to have any interest in supporting or facilitating to the point that I have stopped asking after a few mailing list dustups. There are a few holes that I have had to duct tape over and my duct taping skills are slowly improving. I think it's fair to say there are reasons why Bodhi and Elive Linux are both using modified forks of Enlightenment but I am determined to make a go of presenting Enlightenment in it's pure form but indeed 23.2 is still kind of raw in some areas. I have to release these things into the wild to get informed about how stupid I've been.. The latest 23.5 ISO might be a better place to jump on board.

- Hmmm not sure about the firefox Icon BUT Enlightenment has a known issue where it ties Icon themes to the computer hostname so it is unfortunately a known thing where the Evolvere Icon theme on the Live session gets changed to Enlightenment's rather disappointing 'Enlightenment-X' theme because usually the User (or the installer) will assign a new hostname. Simply going to the settings once installed and selecting another theme will fix this. This may explain the Thunar Icon changing as well? *Note the 23.5 ISO has moved to Papirus Icons.

- The Connman PDF document predates that addition of Connman UI (cmst) which was provided because Enlightenment's Connman frontend is extremely Spartan for more complex WiFi needs. The mimetype tuning on AVL 23.2 also probably needed some work but to my knowledge QPDFViewer should be there and the PDF mimetype handling may be better on 23.5.

- There are 2 menus because some people like a Classic menu and others like a text-searchable menu, this practice was also discontinued on 23.5 however Win + M will bring up the text searchable 'Run Everything' menu..

- To be clear the Connman WiFi PDF is not normally needed, it's not the 'normal' way. I've only had one very old Dell laptop where I needed manual intervention otherwise for most cases clicking the Connman network Applet and checking the WiFi tickbox usually 'just works'. However I may consider Gnome Network Manager on AVL-MXe 25. Probably the PDF should be removed from the Desktop and placed elsewhere..

- The Connman Applet isn't actually in the systray, it is an Enlightenment 'module' so it is just a panel launcher like all other Enlightenment-native applications. As I'm typing this a right-click is bringing up the settings and a left-click opens the very spartan connection manager.

I appreciate these kind of detailed questions, too often people are just angry because it's not XFCE4 and leave in a huff where a few questions and descriptions of what the actual problem was will (a) make me aware of potential things to fix or document and (b) help the User to get acquainted with what has changed and hopefully get over prejudicial biases.

[FullScale4Me]

Now I have AV Linux MX Edition 23.5 bare metal installed on a Dell N7010 and note:

• Conman feels a lot more usable with a dark theme (same version used 23.2 and 23.5)

• The Conman tray left click now has 'minimize', 'maximize', and 'WiFi Connections' that are usable.

• When the Cconman app is raised, both the top and bottom toolbar overlay portions of it. This hides the configure button on the WiFi tab. Clicking and dragging the Conman top bar allows resizing. Laptop 1600x900 screen.

• Both toolbar tooltip float directly under the mouse pointer rather than offset by ~100px from it.

• Thunar File Manager still has a different icon compared to other distros both in live and installed.

• The Conman document now seems superfluous and distracting. Replace with a quick how-to get the GUI Conman up onscreen.

• Systray 'Check for updates' prompts for a password.

• After an update check is done, the systray icon briefly shows updates are available and then goes back to the normal (default) icon.

• The Uncomplicated Firewall is off - MX 23 default is on.

• The mouse double-click behaviour is annoyingly different compared to stock MX 19-23.

• Opening MX Package Installer triggers a password prompt.

• With no Office suite included, could Abiword and Gnumeric be included?

• App smbclient not included but is an essential tool for diagnosing Samba kerfuffles.

• MXPI no checkbox content in popular Apps for installed apps. VLC opens from toolbar. Checking it in MXPI gives a blue Install checkmark but no reinstall.

• Typing CTL-ALT-T does NOT bring up a terminal window. In MX and other distros it does.

• In the Conman app none of the details are shown when a WiFi connection is edited. All named but blank.

I'll go back to it again tomorrow. I'm not using it as a daily driver as I don't want to change anything.

[AVLinux]

Hi,

Thanks for taking a look! Just heading off to bed and will answer in more depth tomorrow,

To start..

Win + T will get you a terminal, and before you ask right-click on the 'terminology' terminal screen will get you to the settings. Ctrl Alt T is not used in Enlightenment.

smbclient is a good catch, I know very little about networking, will add in future ISO's.

As far as MXPI it should ask for a PW, it requires elevated privileges, as should 'check for updates' since it needs to run apt stuff.. MX tools are as provided by MX, I don't mess with that stuff so no idea about the checkmarks.

The apt-notifier systray Icon will sometimes show an Icon theme Icon briefly when updates are detected and then it will revert to the custom systray Icon which will reflect whether there are updates (info circle for updates available and checkmark if system is up to date).

It's an Audio Video focus and the various DAWs, Video Editors and Audio Plugins eat up a lot of space, an Office Suite is where I draw the line and is easily available from the Package Manager, Abiword has had problems for years, most people want LibreOffice and I need that space for other things on the ISO

[FullScale4Me]

Perhaps I should have been clearer about installed applications, like my example VLC. This is a good example of why I hesitate posting my 1st go at writing something. Usually what the world sees is the 3rd or 4th edit (or more!).

The MX Package Installer should have offered an Uninstall button, but it did not. Somehow it's awareness of the installed apps is off a bit. Gimp, Inkscape and Kdenlive all show not installed in MXPI but do open from the top toolbar.

Scrolling through Enabled Repos shows several green checks indicating apps are installed.

I'll zap my 23.2 VirtualBox and make a 23.5 install to see if any is reproducible.